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So today we learned that the Democratic Party doesn't really work for us.  That they are not loyal to us.  Most importantly, that they don't fear us.  

They fear others.  They are loyal to others.  And they work for others.  

To me, this comes as a relief.  After years of wondering why they seemed so spineless, and so stupid, and so intent on constantly losing, I am now finding myself in the calm eye of the emotional storm that only the truth can bring.  

It's like finding out that your spouse has been cheating on you all those years.  Lying to you about it.  And suddenly it all makes sense -- all those strange business trips, those late nights at the office, those weird phone calls -- suddenly you know, and there's just no going back.  

It's today that I realized that we are, indeed, a one-party state in this country.  Oh, we have two official parties, but that's just for show.  The reality is that they all work for the same people.  Sure, there are different factions and personalities within this all-encompassing group, and granted there might be a few people here and there who doggedly fight the system and actually work for us, but they are VASTLY outnumbered, and more importantly, not taken seriously by the rest of the members of this theatrical group known as the U.S. two-party system.

It's a real relief, to realize this.  I no longer have to be angry, and I no longer have to wonder how these people can be so SPINELESS and STUPID.  They're neither.  They simply work for people other than us.  

So the reality is that the Democrats have done us a favor today.

The Democratic Party conceded today that they have absolutely no ability at all to do anything in this country, not even against The Worst President In History.  

They've shown us that this country is officially under One Party Rule, not by either party in particular, but by the Corporatocracy itself that actually runs things.

It's the old "Golden Rule".  You know, "the guy with the gold makes the rules".  

I think the happenings of today will result in people finally escaping the fantasy of denial, and see the truth for what it is.  That the Dems being an "opposition party" is as fictional as Santa Claus.  

Our Democratic Party is a fraud.  Our two-party system doesn't exist anymore.  Oh, they'll try to tell you it does.  Kerry will e-mail you a request to help end the war which links to his "donations" page.  So will the others.  They still want our money.  It's all part of the smoke and mirrors.  

After all, nothing makes us feel like we're active and doing something quite like shelling out a few of our hard-earned dollars!  

By God, if I paid for something, I expect to have something to show for it!  That literally means that I've BOUGHT a piece of what I want -- truth and Democracy and opposition, damnit!  

But can anyone tell me how this country is any different now than the old Soviet Union?  We've got total political control by one corrupt party, which is funded by an empire the size of which the world has ever seen -- the U.S. Pentagon and the War Toys and War Support Industry.  

We've got a nationwide high-tech system of surveillance by which the goons behind the curtains can read our e-mails, listen to our phone conversations, and determine our location any time we have our cell phones with us or drive our cars with OnStar.  We've got a Wall Street darling, Google, who has now developed a system by which they can listen to us, and monitor us through our computer microphones, and they tell us it's for "marketing purposes" so that they can listen to what we're watching on our TV's in the background (yeah right).  

They've shipped our entire manufacturing base to China, where 15 year old girls make 6 cents an hour to build our crap, and in a "bipartisan" fashion they support the Credit Card Industry in its efforts to sell us debt, and actively help us SO incredibly in debt that we can never get ahead, and will forever be virtual slaves to this system where we're constantly taking paycuts (while the ruling class gets unimaginably richer than any group of people in history).  If we're all enslaved to our debts, we have very little power, right?  And we have very little time.  We're working too hard to even watch their version of the news, much less find out the truth, much less do anything about it!  It's perfect for them.  People with money and time on their hands make them very nervous.  

They brazenly reward their own, publicly, with lucrative jobs, and even when they're guilty of fraud and corruption they're given huge bonuses to "resign". (Wolfowitz and his 400K)

And now we have a new Endless War.  Started and fueld by the War Profiteers who reap the financial rewards of it.  No opposition to that.  

A hyper-criminal near-dictatorial bunch of corporate-backed gangsters who have hijacked our electoral system and thus our Executive Branch.  No opposition to that, either.  

The elimination of our most Basic Human Rights, including our right to privacy, our right to NOT be spied upon, our right to Habeus Corpus.  No opposition to that, either.  In fact, they don't even want to talk about it.  

Then there's the elimination of our Free Press through the corporate take-over of all of our media institutions, through which they now feed us a steady diet of right-wing propaganda, along with the new "bread and circuses" like American Idol (and you gotta love it how they not only give us this show as an example of a "Democratic" system, but then also make sure that most of our NEWS is also about this same show).  

No opposition to that, either.   In fact, Democrats have barely made a fuss about any of this.  Most of it they actively support.  Yet they talk tough to us in e-mails, make promises to get our money and to perpetuate this FANTASY that they in some ways are an opposition party.  

They are NOT an opposition party.  Well, okay, they are, but they're in opposition to the wishes of the American people, the world, and what's so morally reprhensible about them, the people who have always been faithful and loyal TO THEM, the people who have given them blood, sweat, ears, and money, only to be laughed at behind their backs, insulted publicly (you listening Obey?), lied to, and betrayed.  

Louise Slaughter's diary here was an insult to all of us, the excuse the cheating husband makes the next morning when he's busted -- blaming the woman who "seduced" him, blaming the alcohol, blaming his wife for not putting out enough or making him feel old, blaming EVERYONE BUT HIMSELF.  

And now we're told, don't worry, it will all end in 2008!   A new election cycle!  Hoo boy!   Finally we can get rid of "the crooks", right?  

Wrong.  Our Constitution provides a way to get rid of these bums right now, these crooks who have brazenly and openly committed crimes and misdemeanors.  It's called "impeachment", but heaven forbid anyone should mention THAT.  Oh, no, it's "off the table" according to the official Opposition Party.  Hell, even demanding resignations for those who have slaughtered thousands, allowed hundreds of others to drown in our own cities, looked the other way while we suffered the worst attack in the history of the United States, these monsters who have broken the law to spy on fellow Americans, who have kidnapped and tortured, who have erased the Bill of Rights, oh my God no that too is unthinkable --  we can't demand resignations from THOSE people, oh no, my gosh we might piss them off and THEY are really in charge and it is THEY that we fear.

The most basic way to see who actually has power over someone else is to ask the following question:  Who do they fear?

Who do the Democrats fear?

Do they fear us?  Obviously no.  Not one stinking bit.  

Do they fear the American people in general?  Same answer, only with laughter.    

Do they fear the wrath of The Corporatocracy Gang of Which George Bush is the official Figurehead?   DING DING DING!!!

Well that tell us who's in charge of them, doesn't it?  

The Democratic Party, by its actions today, has made it abundantly clear who is in charge of the Democratic Party:  THE SAME PEOPLE WHO ARE IN CHARGE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

You really think any of these Democratic Presidential hopefuls is gonna change anything?  You really think Barack Obama is gonna go up against the people who really run this country and actually come out on top?  Or John Edwards, or any of them?   You seriously think it can possibly work that way?  

Well I've learned otherwise.  The SYSTEM ITSELF is FUBAR. (Fucked Up Beyond All Reason).  The Corporatocracy has hijacked this country, its political system, and its media to the point where Democracy itself is no more real than the Wizard of Oz.  

We need to start a movement that exists OUTSIDE OF THE SYSTEM that can replace the system we now have with something different.  I don't know what that is.  Yet.  

Read this.  This is a start.  It's by Chalmers Johnson and explains just what needs to happen to get this country back.  It's slightly depressing because what needs to happen seems very very far away.  But it's the first thing I've ever seen that shows an actual end-goal, and a path, for us:

The hope that things will change under the existing system is NOT your friend.  Hope is a fantasy, hope is that thing you resort to when you are completely powerless.  The important thing that we do here is this:




"If you want something done right, you have to do it yourself."  

That has become glaringly apparent.  We have to do this ourselves.  And NOT through the Democratic Party.  

(those of you who think I'm advocating an all-or-nothing approach, well, that is not the case.  Those, like Kos himself, who insist on changing the party from within?  Well, great.  That's admirable and it's worthy, but we should NOT put all our eggs in one basket.  NOT AFTER TODAY)

And if you're feeling hopeless?  So what.  Hope is for pussies.  Read this article about Hope.  It'll blow your mind.  Apply it to your own life, and your life will change.  Here it is:

And here's an excerpt:

Frankly, I don’t have much hope. But I think that’s a good thing. Hope is what keeps us chained to the system, the conglomerate of people and ideas and ideals that is causing the destruction of the Earth.

To start, there is the false hope that suddenly somehow the system may inexplicably change. Or technology will save us. Or the Great Mother. Or beings from Alpha Centauri. Or Jesus Christ. Or Santa Claus. All of these false hopes lead to inaction, or at least to ineffectiveness. One reason my mother stayed with my abusive father was that there were no battered women’s shelters in the ‘50s and ‘60s, but another was her false hope that he would change. False hopes bind us to unlivable situations, and blind us to real possibilities.

Does anyone really believe that Weyerhaeuser is going to stop deforesting because we ask nicely? Does anyone really believe that Monsanto will stop Monsantoing because we ask nicely? If only we get a Democrat in the White House, things will be okay. If only we pass this or that piece of legislation, things will be okay. If only we defeat this or that piece of legislation, things will be okay. Nonsense. Things will not be okay. They are already not okay, and they’re getting worse. Rapidly.

But it isn’t only false hopes that keep those who go along enchained. It is hope itself. Hope, we are told, is our beacon in the dark. It is our light at the end of a long, dark tunnel. It is the beam of light that makes its way into our prison cells. It is our reason for persevering, our protection against despair (which must be avoided at all costs). How can we continue if we do not have hope?

We’ve all been taught that hope in some future condition—like hope in some future heaven—is and must be our refuge in current sorrow. I’m sure you remember the story of Pandora. She was given a tightly sealed box and was told never to open it. But, being curious, she did, and out flew plagues, sorrow, and mischief, probably not in that order. Too late she clamped down the lid. Only one thing remained in the box: hope. Hope, the story goes, was the only good the casket held among many evils, and it remains to this day mankind’s sole comfort in misfortune. No mention here of action being a comfort in misfortune, or of actually doing something to alleviate or eliminate one’s misfortune.

The more I understand hope, the more I realize that all along it deserved to be in the box with the plagues, sorrow, and mischief; that it serves the needs of those in power as surely as belief in a distant heaven; that hope is really nothing more than a secular way of keeping us in line.

Hope is, in fact, a curse, a bane. I say this not only because of the lovely Buddhist saying "Hope and fear chase each other’s tails," not only because hope leads us away from the present, away from who and where we are right now and toward some imaginary future state. I say this because of what hope is.

More or less all of us yammer on more or less endlessly about hope. You wouldn’t believe—or maybe you would—how many magazine editors have asked me to write about the apocalypse, then enjoined me to leave readers with a sense of hope. But what, precisely, is hope? At a talk I gave last spring, someone asked me to define it. I turned the question back on the audience, and here’s the definition we all came up with: hope is a longing for a future condition over which you have no agency; it means you are essentially powerless.

I’m not, for example, going to say I hope I eat something tomorrow. I just will. I don’t hope I take another breath right now, nor that I finish writing this sentence. I just do them. On the other hand, I do hope that the next time I get on a plane, it doesn’t crash. To hope for some result means you have given up any agency concerning it. Many people say they hope the dominant culture stops destroying the world. By saying that, they’ve assumed that the destruction will continue, at least in the short term, and they’ve stepped away from their own ability to participate in stopping it.

I do not hope coho salmon survive. I will do whatever it takes to make sure the dominant culture doesn’t drive them extinct. If coho want to leave us because they don’t like how they’re being treated—and who could blame them?—I will say goodbye, and I will miss them, but if they do not want to leave, I will not allow civilization to kill them off.

When we realize the degree of agency we actually do have, we no longer have to "hope" at all. We simply do the work. We make sure salmon survive. We make sure prairie dogs survive. We make sure grizzlies survive. We do whatever it takes.

Let's all go do whatever it takes to get our power back.  Let's NEVER GIVE IT AWAY AGAIN.  

Originally posted to theyrereal on Thu May 24, 2007 at 11:18 PM PDT.

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  •  Today is not an angry day for me either... (43+ / 0-)

    It is a sad day. A day when everything, as you noted, is all just so perfectly clear and makes perfect sense....and is perfectly sickening.

    You know we live in strange times when hearing something as simple as the truth almost seems shocking.

    by redhaze on Thu May 24, 2007 at 11:11:19 PM PDT

  •  Today I heard the last chorus . . . (33+ / 0-)

    Today I heard the last chorus of the Democratic Fight Song --

    "You have no other choice

    You have no vote or voice

    Triangulation is your friend

    Bend Over Here It Comes Again . . .!"

    This diary is perhaps the clearest statement of the facts of life I've read on this site yet.

    Very well said!

    "The rule of the wise must be absolute . . . rulers ought not to be responsible to the unwise subjects." ~ Professor Leo Strauss

    by antifa on Thu May 24, 2007 at 11:19:03 PM PDT

    •  When the leaders can't even do what's right -- (10+ / 0-)

      it's disgusting. Of course we knew that Hoyer was a DLC type, but still...Pelosi was the ONLY one in leadership to vote no.

      The Republican Party - supporting life right up until birth.

      by annefrank on Fri May 25, 2007 at 12:11:18 AM PDT

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    •  When they strangle your last hopes (3+ / 0-)
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      it's at least a small liberation of sorts. It clarifies and simplifies everything. You finally know where you stand, and you know where and where not to invest your future efforts.

      I'm still committed to working for Democratic candidates at the local and state levels, where they're desperately needed. But I no longer expect Dem congressional reps or presidential candidates to genuinely exert themselves trying to accomplish the things that matter most, stopping the war and restoring American democracy.

      I stopped posting here a few months ago (I'm back only to say this one thing) because it became clear there's a basic conceptual problem with DailyKos' mission:

      DailyKos is supposed to be committed to taking the Party back from the hands of the DLC compromisers and triangulators. But it still expects us to pledge in advance to work for the nominees in Congressional and Presidential elections, even if these are the same compromising quislings we're trying to get rid of. And if we go "too far" in venting our anger and disillusionment with these quislings we're attacked as enemies of the Party.

      Clinton supporters in particular have exploited this contradiction. They insist months before the primaries have begun that their candidate is already "inevitable," so criticism of her now is tantamount to betraying the Kos pledge to support the Party in the general elections. Trying to argue that her nomination would be bad for the Party is then equated with betrayal of the Party: "You must really be a Republican troll. You don't belong here."

      The end result of such arrogance and authoritarianism: more and more of us are convinced reforming the Party is impossible and are tempted to give up on it altogether.


  •  Whatever criticisms can be made ... (18+ / 0-)

    ...about the 21st Century United States, equating it with the Soviet Union is, let me be charitable, ahistorical. Why wreck a righteous rant with nonsense like that?

  •  MAKE them fear us. (8+ / 0-)

    Really, hope IS for wussies.  

    If fear is what they understand, then fear we should deliver.

    I will be happy the moment the Democratic party is as terrorized by US as the Republicans are by the Chrstian Right.

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    by AndyS In Colorado on Thu May 24, 2007 at 11:21:59 PM PDT

    •  Andy..while I understand your frustration... (6+ / 0-)

      Heaven knows I'm feeling a good dose of that this evening, is that what we really envision for ourselves..that we instill fear.

      I'm feeling down, and I'm definitely feeling a tad bitter and sarcastic..but in my heart I know I don't want leaders that feel fear..from Bush or "US".

      I want leaders that will listen, thoughtfully and respectfully, and lead on the basis of what is right and good. Not out of fear..but out of respect for the people they govern.

      Sheesh, all this frustration and I'm still an idealist.

      •  Respect is best, but obedience to the will of the (7+ / 0-)

        actual people will do in a pinch.

        And yes, I am frustrated, and seeking a way out.  I've been tossing out trial balloons all evening.  So if anyone sees my various comments as kind of churlish and spastic, you are right.  Not sarcastic, because I am desperately trying to think of anything that might work.

        See, the "ruling by fear is bad" thing is a top-down thing.  I don't want the PEOPLE governed by fear.  So to that extent, I agree totally.  But it does look as though that's where we've been and that we're headed for much more of it.

        If "fear" though is the only thing the LEADERSHIP understands and will get us to where we need to go, I see no problem in using it, given the fact that the leadership of both sides is already governed by (and governs by) fear, just the wrong kind of it.

        I don't want them to feel fear either, in an ideal world.  I would love mutual respect and them listening and making wise decisions in the combined best interest, but, as of this totally exasperated moment, I just don't see it happening.

        In the long run, I would tend to agree it is a bad thing if people who are charged with running our country are pinned between two snarling dogs with six inch fangs.  

        The problem for me is, both Republicans and Democrats are like are running from a phantom version of one of these dogs on the right.

        Fear, to me, is already on the loose.  If harnessing fear and turning it to the advantage of the American public is bad, it is a worse thing to have the people actually making decisions harnessing fear to terrorize the American public.

        It is not religion that I question, it is that the human practice of religion would deny its privileges to other humans - DKos user grapes (6.25, -6.92)

        by AndyS In Colorado on Thu May 24, 2007 at 11:44:02 PM PDT

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        •  Fear makes the world go round (10+ / 0-)

          The kind of fear I'm talking about.  

          Think of the fears in your life that motivate you on a daily basis:

          1.  Fear of losing your job
          1.  Fear of losing your house (if you own one)
          1.  Fear of losing your Significant Other

          Just between those three we can define about 95% of adult American behavior.  

          Fear is what makes the entire system function.  It's what makes you get to work on time, it's what makes you actually do your job, it's what makes you pay your bills.  

          It's the drivetrain of the American economy.  It's the glue of most employee/employer relationships.

          The Democrats, if they actually worked for us, would fear us.  They do not.  Or they wouldn't have done what they did today.  

          That tells me that they're working for somebody else.  Someone they fear more than us.  

          It's pretty simple, really.

          •  Well, I agree -- there's realistic fear, and then (4+ / 0-)

            there's terror.  Not terror that you're going to lose your life (e.g. "terrorism") but terror that you've made a whole lot of people HELLA angry.

            I think Morgan was chiding me on the basis of "terrorizing" our leaders, not run-of-the-mill "concern" or "fear" in that smallish sense.

            I think the distinction needs to be made, but otherwise, I agree.

            I have to say, I want the people in Congress to feel "terror", from our side, for a change, if only for a short time.

            I'm sick of right wing political terror.  I want to wield some terror of my own.  

            Just to let them know we're capable of unleashing it.  That's all.

            It is not religion that I question, it is that the human practice of religion would deny its privileges to other humans - DKos user grapes (6.25, -6.92)

            by AndyS In Colorado on Fri May 25, 2007 at 12:00:59 AM PDT

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            •  Yeah, so the question is (6+ / 0-)

              how do we do that?  

              How do we strong-arm the people who are supposed to represent us in the first place?  

              How do you force your wife to quit cheating on you?  Threaten her?  

              That's the crux of the question.  Do we really want to bother trying to strong arm people into working for us, when they don't really want to?  When their loyalties lie elsewhere?

              Sure, why not?  We should do THAT and everything else.  We should strong-arm them at the same time we plot their replacement.  At the same time we do an end-run around them completely and take our own power back from them.  And then USE IT.

              •  Get more people to vote? (3+ / 0-)
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                honestly, I'm grasping at straws here, because I feel just exactly how your rant sounds.  

              •  What is interesting to me is that these people .. (8+ / 0-)

                the ones who represent us .. are not that complex.  They aren't even (to my chagrin) all that intelligent.

                The last six years have been an odyssey of political maturation for me.  I have to confess, if I were to look at myself six years back, I would have contempt for myself as a clueless rube.  I used to have these romanticized ideals of leaders being the best and the brightest.

                Undoubtedly, my political maturation is not complete, and will continue.

                No, I don't just mean plot their replacements.  I mean TERRORIZE them.  

                As in, bury them in faxes and nasty phone calls.  Demonstrate and scream.  And needless to say, we need to be cleverer and yank the keys from them.

                But here's the key, and what makes me different from the religious right -- TEMPORARILY.

                You don't threaten.  You riot.  You make it undeniably clear that "YOU FUCKED UP".

                Engage in behavior that's atypical for a "weak liberal", even if for a short time, and you will get their attention.  It is the first lesson of any teacher engaging a room full of unruly adolescents.  Repeated lessons (if required) will burn in the point.

                Again, the people who get elected to make decisions on our behalf are, by and large (there are exceptions) unfortunately (or fortunately,for this calculation) not that intelligent.  They are, in fact, relatively stupid people, as people go.  Yeah, I know that's cynical, but to me, it's true.  Intelligent people are complex and tend to fall victim to things that make them unattractive as political candidates.  Life complexity is a death knell to a brilliant political career.

                Anyway, at the very least, very few of them climb the right side of the intelligence curve, if the evidence at hand is illustrative in any way.

                To deal with stupid people, just as with animals, you send an unforgettable message.  They will remember the message and factor it into their crude calculations.  Then when the Exxon lobbyist comes to call, the long memory will kick in.

                It is not religion that I question, it is that the human practice of religion would deny its privileges to other humans - DKos user grapes (6.25, -6.92)

                by AndyS In Colorado on Fri May 25, 2007 at 12:28:51 AM PDT

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                •  Brandishing the rolled-up newspaper at the dog (9+ / 0-)

                  ... as opposed to discussing with the dog what's written in the newspaper.

                  The Dutch children's choir Kinderen voor Kinderen (= “children for children”) is a world cultural treasure.

                  by lotlizard on Fri May 25, 2007 at 02:06:46 AM PDT

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                •  To really terrorize them, (4+ / 0-)

                  we must withdraw our consent to be governed. Simply nattering at them is impotent. It is disgruntled consent to be governed, nothing more.

                  We must turn our backs on them and build a parallel power to theirs.

                •  replace the word terror PLEASE (2+ / 0-)
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                  with intimidate.

                  Its what the righties do.

                  Especially the fundies.

                  "Here is what we want, do it or we will fire you", Then fire some of them to make your point. Lieberman would have and will make a grea example.

                  Also, fire the machinery, DCCC etc. and start new orgs.

                  •  I'm not sure I mean just that. (3+ / 0-)
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                    I think that in some sense Republicans are used to attempts to "intimidate" them.  The Christian Right is expert at "intimidation" or attempts thereof.

                    I'm not surer Democrats share that experience for the most part, from their own "constituents".  All the better.

                    If intimidate is the same as "scare the fucking crap out of with how mad we are", I would agree, but I don't really think it is.

                    There is something mildly disconcerting about someone with an already ugly disposition becoming somewhat more disagreeable.  That's "intimidation".

                    What I am talking about is people with a generally mild disposition becoming, very briefly, very suddenly, very unexpectedly, VERY disagreeable.

                    I am talking about the mouse in the palm that not only roars, but rears up, swells, grows 8 inch fangs and blows breath of fire on them, that blackens their face and blows back their hair.  All in the space of about 5 seconds, comically speaking.

                    Thereafter to shrink into a harmless mouse again.

                    I want to give the Democratic collaborators NIGHTMARES.

                    For the effect to be so quick and so extreme that they wonder whether it really happened at all (which wondering would be part of the aforementioned "nightmare").

                    I am talking about a psychic blitzkrieg.

                    Quick, essentially harmless, non-violent, but, basically heart-attack inducing, just from the comic/dramatic effect.  Just for the knowledge that the fundies are the least they'd have to worry about.  A simple demonstration of displeasure, and the depths thereof.

                    I want the Democrats in Washington to shiver in their skivvies at the mere thought of such a thing happening ever again.  That takes more than mere "intimidation".  It's at some whole other level... though I hasten to add I do not and would never suggest anything like physical violence or even the suggestion thereof.. that's simply crude (and unnecessary), not to mention illegal... and beyond that, it actually ruins the event I'm hoping for.  This is all purely political in the sense of pitchfork and torch wielding.

                    I don't really want to fire people in terms of this particular thing, (or even bother to threaten to do so) because I don't think it would do any good.  We tend to think in terms of classic replacing people in politics because that's good civics, and we liberals tend to be good at civics, and wanting to be "responsible citizens".  But you know the story, "new boss, same as the old boss".  

                    And I don't propose to make it a pattern.  The fact that liberals are generally mild mannered actually works to the benefit of making such a point.  The only question is, how to execute such a thing, which would take a lot of creativity.

                    If that's "intimidation" then we have no argument ;)  I just want to be clear on what I would love to see happen, allegorically speaking.

                    It is not religion that I question, it is that the human practice of religion would deny its privileges to other humans - DKos user grapes (6.25, -6.92)

                    by AndyS In Colorado on Fri May 25, 2007 at 03:55:13 AM PDT

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              •  the ONLY thing they NEED from us (5+ / 0-)

                is money.

                Follow the money, see how it works.

                Where it doesn't work for US....Change it.

                By cutting it off.

                I wouldn't give to anyone but Dean now.

                And I'm sure, HE'S not perfect, just the best we've got

          •  Fear of illness if you don't have insurance! n/t (5+ / 0-)
      •  Fear works. (4+ / 0-)

        The Establishment was terrified that there would be a revolution during the Depression. So, we got Social Security and a few other goodies.

    •  Fear (3+ / 0-)
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      Is the mind killer.

    •  in this case (3+ / 0-)
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      you are right and it is necessary. The question is how? They think we are unable to fight back or they would not have been so blatant. They may be right. We'll know very soon though. This is where the netroots develops teeth or dies with a whimper.

  •  Give your opinion on (0+ / 0-)

    Louise Slaughter's decision to allow the Iraq funding vote on this diary

    I give my argument in her behalf.

  •  Gore is saying much of what you are saying (14+ / 0-)

    Al Gore's new book "The Assault on Reason" touches on much of what you have said here, theyrereal. There are members of the Democratic party who agree with us - Al Gore and Howard Dean, at the very least.

    I agree that we cannot sit back and wait for a leader - a Moses to take us out of this wilderness. I have no plan - but, yes, we must lead ourselves out of this undemocratic quagmire we are in. And, we are going to have to face the fact that we are fighting against the "military-industrial complex" to make the necessary changes.

  •  FUBAR would be... (6+ / 0-)

    a great name for a drinking joint in Washington DC, don't you think?

    DISCLOSURE: After being a supporter and volunteer for John Kerry for years, I now work for John Kerry's PAC.

    by Casey Morris on Fri May 25, 2007 at 12:04:08 AM PDT

  •  Maybe the wife is a frigid old battle axe. (1+ / 0-)
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    Some self-examination would be nice too.

    I believe people get the government they deserve.

    "I get a cravin' like a fiend for nicotine, but I don't need a cigarette, know what I mean?" - Rakim

    by brooklynbadboy on Fri May 25, 2007 at 12:22:41 AM PDT

    •  But why do we get the gummint THEY deserve? (0+ / 0-)
    •  When they people have a FUNCTIONING democracy... (3+ / 0-)
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      ....that permits them to choose their government, then they do indeed get the government that they deserve.

      But, when you have a system that does not permit choice, then the people are hardly to blame for their failure to choose properly.

      In November, the people voted overwhelmingly to end the war and end the corruption. The people chose the party that said it would end the war and end the corruption. The party that the people chose, once again reneged on its promises.

      When the only real choice is between the Republicans and the Democrats, the only choice the people have is between the party that is going to brutally fuck them over and the party that is not going to fuck them over so badly. So, there is a difference between the two parties: the Dems don't fuck the people over as badly as the Republicans do.

      But, in the end, no matter how the people choose, the two party system is designed to fuck them over.   Progressives have only one choice: the more civilized Democrat style fuck over.  The Democratic party knows that Progressives have no where else to go; so when it comes to matters like secret trade deals, the Democrats do the bidding of their real constituency and the Progressives can fuck themselves.

      Some day, I hope that the two-party apologists will stop living in that state of denial, the one located just north of the state occupied by the Bush apologists. I hope they'll migrate to a reality based community through overturning the archaic and easily corrupted two party system.

      -5.75 -4.72 3.14159 2.71828

      by xynz on Fri May 25, 2007 at 07:51:17 AM PDT

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  •  You Are Spot On (2+ / 0-)
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    My sentiments exactly!

    Excellent Diary and Links.

    Thank you.

    "Those who will give up freedom for security deserve neither." - Benjamin Franklin

    by vista2020 on Fri May 25, 2007 at 12:47:39 AM PDT

  •  I am not angry (7+ / 0-)

    I am resolute
    I am also feeling vulnerable because
    I no longer believe there is a Congress that has my back
    I am fearful of a President gone amuck
    I am feeling a need to be ever vigilent
    I do not want to let my family or loved ones down by letting my quard down

    This is truely a new day for America

  •  Thanks mate. (12+ / 0-)

    For taking the time to write something I don't have the time to write at the moment.

    I read that Chalmers Johnson piece earlier this week.  Food for thought.

    I agree that hope is not the answer.  America is often described here as a "beacon of hope" and freedom for the rest of the world.  This is bullshit.

    The rest of the world has known all about freedom for a long time, and it has been waiting for America to wake up to it.

    The reason I keep coming to Daily Kos, even though I'm not an American and I can't be of any practical use to you, is that I am overjoyed that so many of you are awake, and trying to rouse your country.

    Keep working to change the Democratic party and never give up because they must change - it's our best chance.  But sometimes the only way to change politics is to change society outside politics.

    Shoulder the sky, my lad, and drink your ale... A.E. Housman

    by ignatz uk on Fri May 25, 2007 at 01:28:55 AM PDT

  •  With a cheating spouse (9+ / 0-)

    the best thing you can do is to accept they are who they are, they are going to do what they are going to do, try to keep them accountable for supporting the children, and get on with living your own life the best you can - whether with that spouse, with someone else or alone.

    I agree with what you've written here.  The Democrats are merely another expression of a single party ruled America.  They are beholden to the same people who run the Republicans.  The same donors determine who gets to be president every single time - regardless of whether they decide it's the turn of a Democrat or Republican.  

    The system is going to make your children ignorant and selfish.  The system is going to push you into debt until you become a slave.  The system is going to deny you the information you need to make rational choices.

    Or not.

    You can educate your children.  You can cut up your credit cards and live in a smaller home debt free.  You can find the information to make rational choices.  You have the power to influence your life and the lives of those you care about every single day.

    At the macro level if the Bushistas have decided they want war with Iran and another few million dead to their credit, they will achieve that.  At the micro level you can still live a principled life, run for school board or city council, and try to prepare so that the coming apocalypse - whether economic or military - is manageable for you and yours.  

    I still hope.  In January I feared we were edging toward an attack on Iran.  I hoped the Chinese would intervene.  They blew up one of their own satellites with an ASAT missile.  Suddenly our admirals and generals were alot more circumspect about launching another war at the cost of losing all their navigation and guidance capabilities.

    Americans are merely 300 million in a world now holding 6.2 billion people.   I have hope that there are enough sensible people in power outside the USA to curb the worst excesses of the idiots in power in the USA.

    "Victory attained by violence is tantamount to a defeat, for it is momentary." - Mahatma Gandhi

    by LondonYank on Fri May 25, 2007 at 02:20:43 AM PDT

    •  As you say (1+ / 0-)
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      Less than 5% of the population consumes around 25% of the energy and produces 33% of the polution.

      Mind you, I'm not sure I hold out much hope for the "sensible" people outside the USA, since so many other countries seem hell-bent on removing their own civil and other rights.

  •  Hey, you plagiarized me! (2+ / 0-)
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    Kidding.  This diary expands more eloquently on comments I have been dropping around the site the last few days.

    We, the voters, are not the owners of the Democratic party.  To be sure, we are "stakeholders," in the same sense that that 15-year old Chinese girl sewing running shoes in a sweatshop is a "stakeholder" in Nike's global operations.  It's time we did something about it.  If we can't own this party, then let's find (or found) one we can.

    "When the intellectual history of this era is finally written, it will scarcely be believable." -- Noam Chomsky

    by scorponic on Fri May 25, 2007 at 02:53:06 AM PDT

  •  what power do we have? (0+ / 0-)

    Pretty much the only power this system gives us is our dollars and our votes. And we don't have a whole lot of  dollars.

    I'm not sure what you expect us to do, practically speaking.

    there are only two sides -- with the troops or with the President

    by danthrax on Fri May 25, 2007 at 03:07:21 AM PDT

    •  What to do is described in the comment right (1+ / 0-)
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      below yours

    •  Romania, 1989 (0+ / 0-)

      was a very moving example of what power people actually have.  

      •  except we're not exactly barricading the streets (0+ / 0-)

        I'm not trying to blame apathy. It's just that we're not living in the same kind of brutality. And before someone tries to make the comparison, the worst you can say is that we're sliding towards totalitarianism. The middle class is still relatively big. It's relatively few people who are being persecuted. Everyone else isn't suffering, so they don't have to care.

        Overthrow is beyond reach. We can't even get poll numbers enough for impeachment (yet).

        there are only two sides -- with the troops or with the President

        by danthrax on Fri May 25, 2007 at 04:46:55 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  well that's the problem (0+ / 0-)

          but the question was, I believe, what power to people really have?

          Which is the question we're all facing right now.  What power do we really have?

          Bottom line is we have very little unless we start getting kinda drastic.  Then we have a LOT.  

          •  i worry that this administration is really smart (0+ / 0-)

            because they can make people apathetic. they simultaneously played John Kerry as "too liberal", while suggesting that his policy on Iraq was "the same" as George Bush's. They cow the democrats into believing they have no choice but to go along with the Republicans, and then voters who want an alternative are screwed. For every scandal that comes their way, they manage to deflect it with "democrats do it too", so a lot of people eager for real change see no difference.

            That's sapped away a LOT of power.

            there are only two sides -- with the troops or with the President

            by danthrax on Sun May 27, 2007 at 08:56:50 PM PDT

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  •  All it takes to get our power back is to (2+ / 0-)
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    change the Constitution.

    Our Representatives don't do what we want because they know we can't fire them - at least not on the spot and that is the thing we need to change to get control of the government back.

    We can't fire them because no federally elected official is subject to a recall referendum.

    According to the Constitution the only way a federally elected office holder can be removed from office is by impeachment.

    We need to change the Constitution so that any federally elected official --including the president --( let that one sink in for awile )can be removed from office by a recall vote of a simple majority of the voters in the district which elected him or her.

    The solution is simple but it will take some work.

    Under Article V of the Constitution amendments may be proposed in two ways - by the congress, which will never propose to limit its own power or by the people themselves.

    The people can do it by working through the State Legislatures in two thirds of the States to call for the convening of a new Constitutional Convention.

    Such a Convention can be called only for the purpose of proposing amendments.  Once an amendment is proposed it has to be ratified in the conventional manner and if it does become ratified then the amendment becomes part of the Constitution amd there is nothing the president or the congress or the attorney general or the supreme court can do about it.

    The power of the people to decide how their government will be run is embodied in Article V.

    Use it to change the Constitution and your Representatives will instantly start working for you - or if they don't you can simply fire them and put some one in who will.

    it is truly an idea whose time has come.

    •  I agree with citizen-based power but (3+ / 0-)
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      just keep in mind that when a Constitutional Convention is called -- EVERYTHING in the Constitution is up for grabs.  Every section, every amendment.

      Just because "we" call it doesn't mean that other majorities exist to overturn sections we actually like.  And some things that Americans prefer in the majority are a little frightening to me.

      So while I'm not against a convention -- in fact, I'm very much for one, we have to be prepared for coordinated, well-funded (yes, even in this matter Big Mondey through Bad Media will attempt to control the boundaries of debate), and motivated attempts to get what they want at our expense.  And we have to counter and counter well.

      Question authoritarianism

      by m00nchild on Fri May 25, 2007 at 05:08:34 AM PDT

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      •  in this climate of fear and terrorism (1+ / 0-)
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        it would be a disaster.

        The Bill of Rights is viewed by a majority of people as a socialist document when it's read to them without telling them what it really is. That was before 9/11.

        •  That is so odd because at the time of its (0+ / 0-)

          own ratification many states delayed ratification simply because there was no Bill of Rights and others I believe made ratification contingent on one being added.

          The Bill of Rights is a list of "Thou Shalt Nots" placed on the Federal Governement.

          Why would the people be afraid of it.

          Besides why would the people be afraid of Socialism.

          They were taught to be afraid of "Godless Communism" because the "Godless Capitalists" were afraid of Socialism.

          This country needs a good dose of Sociaism - like Socialized Medicine.

      •  Remember any amendments proposed have to (0+ / 0-)

        be ratified in the same old way.

        I would feel much better having the people make the rules than the current system where a handful of elites unelected elites are doing it.

  •  Wow..... (4+ / 0-)

    Excellent Diary...

    Don't see how it stopped you from being angry though.. :)

    Makes my blood boil and want to take up torches and pitchforks.

    Fundamental changes to campaigning, the electoral system, etc. are NEEDED VERY SOON.

    -6.5, -7.59. I want to know who the men in the shadows are... ~Jackson Browne

    by DrWolfy on Fri May 25, 2007 at 03:30:14 AM PDT

  •  Why don't you Kossacks... (4+ / 0-)

    ...just run as independents and donate to each other's campaigns?

    Bush is a symptom, not the disease.

    by Migeru on Fri May 25, 2007 at 04:00:52 AM PDT

  •  Again, I thought you left and gave up. (1+ / 0-)
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    Please delete that diary from Tuesday then. For it was obviously complete bullshit.

    In order to find his equal an Irishman is forced to talk to God.

    by Lucius Vorenus on Fri May 25, 2007 at 04:28:09 AM PDT

  •  There's a class 5 storm brewing (2+ / 0-)
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    people had their hopes built up here and then had them horrifically dashed by those we gave to and struggled for.

    This is going to hit everyone.

    The netroots leaders are not even trying to fight back. I don't think they have the leverage. If they can somehow find a way, in the long run they and us will be in much better shape.

  •  How I learned to stop worrying (2+ / 0-)
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    .......and love W's Bombs.  

    I am sad and disgusted.  I learned that the Dems are not really THAT with the American people.  They are just a different shade of pale.  

    I wasn't that naive about what it takes to get into Congress these days. I thought they would respond to a mandate however. They must be substantially different from the archetypical "Working Man" Props to Geddy Lee.  A quantum leap if you will.  
    Stage dive??

    "If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stomping on a human face -- forever." G.Orwell

    by FuddGate on Fri May 25, 2007 at 05:09:40 AM PDT

  •  I will support ONLY (5+ / 0-)

    individual candidates / office-holders who show they stand with us.  

    I will NEVER again donate money to centralized "front" organizations such as the DCCC / PACs / etc.

    Yo, Hillary:  The next time you want money (not that you fucking need any, you greedy power-mad bitch), go ask Rupert Murdoch.  He just loves helping his trained monkey raise money.  Better watch your back though.. Reid might start moving in on your territory.

    to all:

    I was hoping I would wake up today less angry than I was yesterday, really sorry that didn't happen.  I'm usually not this nasty (read my past comments).  It just seems so fucking hopeless.  GOP in power = war/corruption/loss of rights/economic depravity.  Dems in power = lots of bitching and talking but no fucking action (except for grilling middle management types -- see waxman hearings).

    I don't mean to single Hillary out, but she is the most visible "leader" in our party who continually sucks up to corporatists (yo, you witch.. have you forgotten that Rupert Murdoch spent considerable resources to have your husband Bill IMPEACHED !?!?  The same hand you lick tried to bring down your HUSBAND?)

    And Reid?  Just an old pathetic man who wants to make sure he and his family have lots of $$ in his Alzheimers years.

    If education is a product of environment, why is opportunity the product of genetics?

    by Johnathan Ivan on Fri May 25, 2007 at 05:16:03 AM PDT

  •  What is happening as nothing less than (3+ / 0-)
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    elite plunder: "The redistribution of wealth in favor of the wealthy and of power in favor of the powerful." Indeed, nearly all of the wealth America created over the past 25 years has been captured by the top 20% of households, and most of the gains went to the wealthiest ... Of the early American democratic creeds, the anti-Federalist warning that government naturally works to "fortify the conspiracies of the rich" proved especially prophetic. So it is this that we confront today. America’s choice between two fundamentally different economic visions ... The choice cannot be avoided: What kind of economy do we seek, and what kind of nation do we wish to be? Do we want to be a country in which the "rich get richer and the poor get poorer?" Or do we want to be a country committed to an economy that provides for the common good, offers upward mobility, supports a middle-class standard of living, and provides generous opportunity for all? In Garfinkle’s words, "When the richest nation in the world has to borrow hundreds of billions of dollars to pay its bill, when its middle-class citizens sit on a mountain of debt to maintain their living standards, when the nation’s economy has difficulty producing secure jobs or enough jobs of any kind, something is amiss."

    What's to be done?

    The only answer to organized money is organized people.

    The only answer to organized money is organized people.

    The only answer to organized money is organized people.

    Molly Ivins wanted WHO for President? But WHY?

    by Positronicus on Fri May 25, 2007 at 05:36:23 AM PDT

  •  relevant Bill Hicks quote (9+ / 0-)

    I'll show you politics in America. Here it is, right here. "I think the puppet on the right shares my beliefs." "I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking." "Hey, wait a minute, there's one guy holding out both puppets!"
    via Wikiquote

    War is young men killing other young men they do not know on the orders of old men who know one another too well.
    - Erwin Kowalke

    by jrm78 on Fri May 25, 2007 at 05:48:50 AM PDT

  •  Take a step back (1+ / 0-)
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    The Capitulation Bill is terrible, and its going to mean more American and Iraqi blood spilled, more funds spent that are needed elsewhere, etc.  And the Democrats let all of us and the American people as a whole, down.  And yes, there are a lot of serious issues that the Democrats are not addressing, or addressing seriously enough.  But the 2 points I would make are 1)  Lets not forget that the party leadership and elected officials have been in recent years UTTERLY spineless.  Since the '06 election, we've actually seen them BEGIN to grow a backbone.  I would have loved for the Dems to get the majority, sweep into congress like a wildfire, and right all the wrongs that have been increasing and compounding over the last few decades.  But realistically, '06 was only the first victory in a long war.  We've got to keep the pressure up, we've got to keep kicking the losers to the curb, and we have to recognize that it isn't going to happen overnight.  Which leads me to my second point - this is an ongoing process.  This is not a time to give up on the Democratic Party.  And for anyone who says the Dems and Repubs are the same - well, Ralph Nader is counting on your vote.  If you think Pres Gore in 2000 would have acted exactly as Pres Bush, I think you're an idiot.  To say we live in a one party system or anything close to it is part of the mindset that helped elect the jackasses who are screwing this country and the world up, the ones that OUR leaders aren't doing enough to stop...

    "My arrival was somewhat like the coming of the strange most evil angel in the home of the snow-white fleece..." -Kerouac, On the Road

    by mostevilangel on Fri May 25, 2007 at 06:21:16 AM PDT

  •  Brilliant diary (1+ / 0-)
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    Sums up where I am nearly exactly. We've had to go through the Kübler-Ross cycle:

    Denial: there's no way they will capitulate!
    Anger: how dare you motherfucking cowards capitulate!
    Bargaining: if you don't capitulate, you can go ahead and put all the pork you want in the bill!
    Depression: they capitulated. we're fucked.
    Acceptance: you know what? fuck them. we'll get this done ourselves, some other way.

    Question: do you have a link for the google/microphone thing?

  •  without hope no one would do anything... (4+ / 0-)
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    ... I skimmed over the Orion article and disagree with the environmentalist who says that once you give up "hope" you can start taking things into your own hands.  I think he has chosen the wrong word there.  Relying on others (govt, God, whatever) to effect change isn't "hope," it is complacency.  "Hope" is what gets us all out of bed in the morning:  hope that making breakfast for the kids matters to them, that love matters; hope that something good will happen today; hope that our work matters to someone somewhere; hope that our lives have meaning.  

    I think things are FUBAR right now, and not just in this country.  However, this is the worst of it, the nadir before the Big Shift to a different kind of human culture and human consciousness.  You know what I'm talking about, and many of you will scoff and roll your eyes, but spiritual teachers have been speaking of this shift for a long time and guess what?  It is happening now!  By 2012 the worst of the chaos and destruction that marks the transition will be over and by 2019 everyone will be able to notice a distinct improvement in life on planet Earth.  So say the spiritual teachers to whom I turn to for advice and wisdom.  Take it or leave it.

    On the material plane the shift will be marked by transition from fossil fuels to renewables (we are being forced, as a civilization, to make this change) and with it a new relationship with the natural environment and a new kind of international politics.  

    Will all animal species survive the shift?  Probably not.  Yet, I remind you all that for many generations it was accepted fact that the Eastern mountain lion was extinct.  And then recently, incontrovertable evidence (such as multiple sitings and analysis of scat) shows that mountain lions have made comeback in New Hampshire and Maine.  Mother Nature may be more resilient than we think.  

    I think that the next ten years will be intense as the transnational corporations continue their progress toward oblivian and we flail around in their massive wake.  But they really are the Titanics of our age:  massive and invincible-seeming, but ultimately unsustainable.  Like the dinosaurs, they will evolve (into lighter beings such as birds) or die off.  

    There are huge forces at work, much bigger than any political party.  Gore is clearly seeing a panoramic view and I hope he is the one to lead us through this time.  

    Becoming empowered as individuals is an excellent idea, rather than giving up our power to political leaders in the hope that they will do the right thing and save us.  On this much, I totally agree with this diary.  Change, like charity, begins at home. But I'm not eager to throw "hope" out altogether.  

    But I do agree that we should not wait around for the Democrats to save us. That is not going to happen.  We need to make choices here and now, as individuals, that will help create the kind of world we want to live in.  Political leadership would be nice, but I'm not going to hold my breath.  

    May all beings be free from fear.

    by shakti on Fri May 25, 2007 at 06:39:40 AM PDT

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      before an earthquake, change is coming, it's huge and we are all feeling it in our own way. I don't know where it is going but we all should feel complete permission to do what we know will help. Some will work within existing structures, some will create new structures, some will build community, some will go it alone, but a change is coming.

      We will be answering the question of how do we live with each other and within nature now that we have so much potential for extra-biological (power outside our own biology) power. Evolution hasn't prepared us for managing this. Our religious traditions have not prepared us for managing this. Capitalism is not going to work as a way for managing this. Our ability to achieve extra-biological power will not go away unless we do. So something has got to change in a big way.

      Our economy sucks up our environment, people, and government. Redesign it at Beyond Political Center

      by Bob Guyer on Fri May 25, 2007 at 08:04:21 AM PDT

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      •  exactly ... although I think the shift is good .. (0+ / 0-)

        ... so I am not afraid.  Much.  Mostly, I'm hopeful about the new era that I think will be in evidence by about 2020.  

        I'm not sure what you mean by "extra-biological power."  Are you referring to fossil fuels?  Symbolically, the importance of the shift from fossil fuels (energy created by dead plants and animals) to renewables (energy created directly from sun, wind, water, etc.) is that the former creates a dense civilization, the latter a lighter one.  In other words, if a person eats only fruits and vegetables, their energy will be lighter than someone who eats only meat.  Our fossil fuel consuming civilization is like a carnivore, while a culture that gets its energy directly from the sun is a much lighter kind of entity.  

        We are what we eat, both as individuals and as a collective.  We are approaching the end of the fossil fuel "eating" civilization, and something new is about to emerge.  I'm looking forward to it, and anticipating it however I can.  

        Put in political terms, the Republicans are clearly the party that resists this shift, the reactionaries.  The Democrats are a little better, but not yet truly progressive.  We'll see.

        May all beings be free from fear.

        by shakti on Fri May 25, 2007 at 09:13:05 AM PDT

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        •  I feel, hope, intuit, the change as positive (0+ / 0-)

          but really have to suspend the notion that I can know the future and how it will be. I think that we will proceed in the direction of living lighter fuel and diet wise, hopefully lighter on all living things.

          What I mean by extra-biological power is that we are the only creatures that have managed to create and use power that is not coming from our biology directly. We have magnified our power, using energy and technical mechanics, and we are having an extraordinarily large impact on the rest of the living world as a result. Biological evolution without the added power we have harnessed works reasonably as organisms cooperate and compete with the network of life which enforces constraints on how far each individual and species can expand its use of the whole. Human development of force outside the biological has upset that balance and we collectively have not come to terms with that fact and impose our own constraints and serve the totality of life with our extra-biological power, instead of just following the biological/evolutionary imperative of grow/expand.

          Our economy sucks up our environment, people, and government. Redesign it at Beyond Political Center

          by Bob Guyer on Fri May 25, 2007 at 09:42:50 AM PDT

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          •  yeah, that's why we must become more conscious (1+ / 0-)
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            As soon as humans figured out how to use fire as a tool, we began on the road to dominance.  Several millenia later, we now have rocket ships and nukes and oil tankers etc., but are still making choices based on limbic-system arousal.  

            Gore's new book is a kind of wake up call to us all to stop responding from the primitive limbic-system (fight or flight) and start using more of our neocortex (higher reasoning).

            So, this is it:  the big evolutionary leap in consciousness that will make or break the human race.  

            May all beings be free from fear.

            by shakti on Fri May 25, 2007 at 09:59:07 AM PDT

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            •  Yep, it's all about consciousnes, I hope he runs (0+ / 0-)

              I tried to get tickets when he came through northern California on his book tour but was too late. I haven't gotten his book yet. Sounds like you liked his new book I should get it sooner than later and make time to read it. It is a race between time and growing the scope of our consciousness individually and collectively on huge scale.

              Our economy sucks up our environment, people, and government. Redesign it at Beyond Political Center

              by Bob Guyer on Fri May 25, 2007 at 11:16:13 AM PDT

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  •  Your diary title reminded me of the (2+ / 0-)
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    quote from Dr. Strangelove "How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb."

    I was afraid this diary would be about how we all had to go back to trying to work together with people who've betrayed us.  Glad to see that's not what you're suggesting.  Only crazy people repeatedly keep trying the same strategy, expecting a new result.

    Now it turns out Lucy is neither a Republican nor a Democrat, she's just any politician.

    So, as you say in your diary, we know it's the new form of government, corporatocracy, which we don't like.  How on earth do we fix that?

  •  We were here a couple of years ago (4+ / 0-)
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    A couple of years ago, government whistleblowers were as outraged as many of you are now, about the extent of government corruption.  As insiders we saw the first signs of a massive increase over the last 4-5 years in waste, fraud, abuse, cronyism and lawbreaking. We were stunned that so many people could undermine their own country's security, food, water, air, education, name it. But, one we were over the initial shock, we had a new response:  organize.

    Whistleblowers just concluded a week long solidarity conference in Washington D.C. to forge a united front, to argue for new whistleblower protection laws that are essential to cleaning up government. I hope DKos readers will push for that important legislation (H.R. 985).  But, like efforts to end the war in Iraq, that too could fail unless the rest of America finds a way to make Congress more responsive and responsible.

    I hope that this community will be the leading edge of a wave of citizen activism that rejects corruption and authoritarianism, and makes government once again a servant of the people.  Toward that end, the whistleblower community would be a good ally.

    Forewarned, forearmed; to be prepared is half the victory. ~ Cervantes

    by Deep Harm on Fri May 25, 2007 at 07:09:20 AM PDT

  •  Obama wants to add 100,000 troops to military (6+ / 0-)

    Obama, like half of America, thinks we have threats from other militaries around the world which require additional military expenditures. This national mental illness cannot be cured. Nineteen hijackers defeated the USA.

    "If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it." - Abe Lincoln

    by munky on Fri May 25, 2007 at 07:28:09 AM PDT

  •  It's like leaving the matrix (4+ / 0-)

    It's a wrenching transformation, but once you are outside the illusion machinery, you can feel real.

    We are producing an increasing number of useful goods and services for increasingly useless people. -- Ivan Illich

    by ANKOSS on Fri May 25, 2007 at 07:28:20 AM PDT

  •  Just my $.02 (4+ / 0-)

    Best DK diary ever!


    "Science is a differential equation. Religion is a boundary condition." -- Alan Turing

    by Hibernian on Fri May 25, 2007 at 07:45:14 AM PDT

    •  don't mean to single you out (0+ / 0-)

      but i find this to be one of the most ignorant, naive diaries ever.

      All extremists are irrational and should be exposed

      by SeanF on Fri May 25, 2007 at 09:25:24 AM PDT

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      •  constructive points (0+ / 0-)

        are always welcomed.

        •  sure (1+ / 0-)
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          when you conflate google with the republican party with "the machine" the diarist has lost me. what the diarist doesn't like is innovation, power, and the modern interconnected world. The biggest sin we can commit is folding all of modern life up into the same shitbin and calling it all corrupt and wrong. The biggest naivitee we can commit is not realizing that with great power comes murky, structural self-interest in the form of the machine. We can't destroy the machine, but we can guide it.

          this diarist is giving up on life. he's wishing for an agrarian paradise where everything is simple and straight-forward. I love the little excerpt about hope as a standalone. But the best lies all have truths interwoven into them.

          All extremists are irrational and should be exposed

          by SeanF on Fri May 25, 2007 at 10:45:07 AM PDT

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  •  we need to fight now (1+ / 0-)
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    so when we are asked years from now what we did, we can say honestly we fought back.

    What would prevent Captain America from being a hero "Death, Maybe"

    by Doughnutman on Fri May 25, 2007 at 07:50:42 AM PDT

  •  One of the most depressing diaries (1+ / 0-)
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    I've read all week.

    When you get your third way all set up and functioning drop me a line. Until then, I 'll be working on getting John Edwards elected and governing as the next president of the United States. And yes some people do make a difference in this country.

    Who will stop this war of lies? Keith Olbermann May 23rd, 2007

    by Ed in Montana on Fri May 25, 2007 at 07:55:44 AM PDT

  •  Thanx theyrereal (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Now this is a rant (2+ / 0-)
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    I can get behind. Well, written and reasoned. Great work.

    The great tragedy of Science, the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact. T. H. Huxley

    by realalaskan on Fri May 25, 2007 at 08:02:06 AM PDT

  •  This diary is awesome (2+ / 0-)
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    I feel exactly the same way. Being angry about this recent turn of events is simply a waste of energy, like being angry at the fish for swimming. Our system made a lot of sense when it was designed, before the advent of mass media, interest groups, lobbies, and political action committess.

    Our founders even foresaw such events and included an agent for change. The amendment process was specifically for this kind of situation where new technologies or social problems which could become threats to our democracy manifest themselves.

    Now I fear it is simply too late to change things without wholesale revolution, which won't happen as long as we have the modern bread and circus's as described above. The Science of social control is perhaps the most studied of them all today and it works very very well.

  •  Welcome to the real world (5+ / 0-)

    It's today that I realized that we are, indeed, a one-party state in this country

    Yep.  All the "Democrats are the good guys" I was introduced to on this website following the 2004 election was really getting to me.  I thought we learned from that election that we had some enemies among the beltway, DLC dems.  Oh well, it's never too late I guess.

    •  don't worry (0+ / 0-)

      DKos will be back to "Rah rah! Elect Dems or else! Aren't Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi just wonderful?" in a few months.

      Too many people are far too willing to forgive and forget when they're thrown the smallest scraps, after being kicked repeatedly.

      It's like "60 Minutes" on acid!

      by nasarius on Fri May 25, 2007 at 09:20:28 AM PDT

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  •  Hope v action (1+ / 0-)
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    Interesting point about hope.  I will have to read the links later.  But it makes sense, hope takes us out of the present.

    This is maybe some of the point Bob Marley was making when he wrote:

    Preacherman, don't tell me,
    Heaven is under the earth.
    I know you don't know
    What life is really worth.
    Most people think,
    Great God will come from the skies,
    Take away everything
    And make everybody feel high.
    But if you know what life is worth,
    You will look for yours on earth:
    And now you see the light,
    You stand up for your rights.

    That is, waiting and hoping won't get you what you want.

    Participate in life!

    by Justus on Fri May 25, 2007 at 08:30:38 AM PDT

  •  Highly recommended (1+ / 0-)
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    Excellent work.  Better than I ever could have "hoped" to have written myself.

  •  Hold on...not a difference between the... (1+ / 0-)
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    two is just simplistic babble. True, many just take their base for granted, but cater to corporate interests. But it isn't so easy as saying everyone's that way.

    Some Democrats did hold strong and resisted the rush to war and the rush to fund coninuing war.

    If we abandon them, they will be eaten by the true wolves within the Dem party. Let's get smart...focus on those who have betrayed us. If we slink away, then the wolves have won.

  •  Keep it Simple (2+ / 0-)
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    I don't feel to angry these days.  If the Democrats had the power to end the war, but didn't, I'd be raging.  But as it is, nothing has happened that wasn't easily predictable last fall when we won a few seats in Congress.

    Sure, we won a majority of seats, but we didn't win enough seats to end the war.  Now, the war isn't ending, and all these fools are running around acting like Democrats failed us.

    No, the American voters failed us.  They didn't vote enough Democrats into office to end the war.  The blame lays squarely on their shoulders, not ours, and not the shoulders of anyone who voted for the war.

    The war is owned by only one group of people: those who voted (R) last fall.  My brother, his wife, and her family: they are responsible for the dead bodies in Bagdhad, they are responsible for the disintegration of Iraq, and they are responsible for possibly ending the superpower status of the United States of America.

    The Democrats -- all of us -- are innocent.  We voted to end this war, but the President's veto pen, and the Republicans who failed to override that veto, forced it to continue.  It's no more complicated than that.

    •  Keep it Delusional (0+ / 0-)

      It'll keep you from having to wake up and smell the legislative process.  Congress WRITES the legislation.    It could have continued to send the same bill back.  The veto would be on Georgie's back and there would be a face-off.  The political carnage would be committed now instead of being postponed yet again.  Why should it have happened now?  

      You see, there's these little details like American soldiers and Iraqi citizens.  

      An occupation which has provided a training ground and recruiting center for terrorists.

      The irresistible temptation to deny the geneva convention, habeas corpus and indulge in torture.  

      •  Insanity (0+ / 0-)

        So we should keep sending the bill back for a veto, let it get vetoed, send it back, let that get vetoed, send it back again, let it get vetoed again . . . until when exactly?

        We all know what the definition of doing something over and over again and expecting different results is, right?

        Congress can write all the legislation in the world, but only a President can sign a bill into law.  I'm not sure what the complicated part of this is.

        I'm sorry that so many Americans are stupid enough to vote Republican still, but they are, and until that changes, it's silly to think that "America has turned on the war" or any such nonsense.  At least a third of the country is still gung-ho for this war, and until that changes, our legislative system gaurantees that we will be powerless to change the course of the war in any major way without a new President.  

        America has not turned on the war, only about 60% of us have.  And that's hardly enough to make a difference, because one simple fact, which happens to make our country great, even when dealing with frustrations like the current one.  One little, simple fact:


  •  the real (0+ / 0-)


    will be meeting in Istanbul May 31st thru June 3 at the bilderberg conference

    Get your tickets now.

    What would you do if a politician killed your loved one for a lie?

    by FreeTradeIsYourEpitaph on Fri May 25, 2007 at 08:59:27 AM PDT

  •  bullshit (1+ / 0-)
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    All extremists are irrational and should be exposed

    by SeanF on Fri May 25, 2007 at 09:13:32 AM PDT

  •  Dems continue to appease the tyrannt. (1+ / 0-)
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    I went to my OED and found appeasement to mean a pacification or saisfiying... but wikipedia gave me what I was looking for.

    Appeasement is a policy of accepting the imposed conditions of an aggressor in lieu of armed resistance, usually at the sacrifice of principles. Since World War II, the term has gained a negative connotation in the British government, in politics and in general, of weakness, cowardice and self-deception. A famous example is Neville Chamberlain's foreign policy during the inter war period 1919-1939 when he used a policy of appeasement to prevent another world war.

    Then I came to the nitty-gritty.

    The word in its normal meaning connotes the pacific settlement of disputes; in the meaning usually applied to the period of Chamberlain's premiership, it has come to indicate something sinister, the granting from fear or cowardice of unwarranted concessions in order to buy temporary peace at someone else's expense. D.N. DIlks, Appeasement Revisited, Journal of Contemporary History, 1972.

    There it was.

    the granting from fear or cowardice of unwarranted concessions in order to buy temporary peace at someone else's expense.

    Let's see

    "Let's give him the Patroit Act. We can sacrifice a few freedoms for security."

    "Let's give him his war. We can sacrifice a few proles and a lot of Iraqis. Maybe that will quench his bloodlust and he'll leave Iran alone"

    "Give him his warrantless searches. We've still got some of the Bill of Rights left."

    "Secret military tribunals. What secret military tribunals?"

    "Let's just let him get rid of Habeus Corpus too. Nobody takes Latin anymore. They don't know what it means anyway so they wont miss it."

    "Just give him a couple of suspect appoints of incompetents to the Supreme Court and an Attorney General who knows nothing about the consititution. Maybe they'll grow into their positions"

    "Oh we can't vote to impeach. It's not the right time and it would be too divisive."

    Democrats in congress just continue to let Bush say the constitution means what he, Cheney and Rove says it means. So

    "He's canceling the 2008 election! He can't do that. Can he?

    Love me, love me, love me. I am a liberal (apologies to Phil Ochs)

  •  In 1970, at the age of 17, I realized (2+ / 0-)
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    there was no meaningful difference between the Democrats and Republicans.

    Below is the only poem I have written to date:

    The Democrat/Republican Party

    The Democrat/Republican Party
    One bird
    Two wings
    And it's a turkey

    I have always amused myself with the Americano feel of it.

    Believe it and you will start to move is a new, meaningful political direction.

  •  Yep. Democrats are the same as Republicans (3+ / 0-)

    What's working for Ralph Nader now?

    Why this is on the Recommended list I'll never know...but if this site isn't for DEMOCRATS anymore then I guess I'd better be looking for a new fucking place to blog.

    •  Thank you (3+ / 0-)
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      Remember, this war was started by George Bush, Dick Cheney, and the neo-con cabal.  The reason George Bush, Dick Cheney, and the neo-con cabal came to power in the first place is due (at least in part) to the fact that when one lemming ran around whining that there was no difference between Republicans and Democrats, a bunch of other lemmings followed him off the cliff.  People need to stop this knee-jerk reaction to this one shitty bill, stop whining that the Democratic party did not in the course of a few months go from spineless wimps to unshakable bastions of virtue and moral clarity, and get back to work.  Nader was wrong.  This thread is wrong.  There is a difference between the 2 parties and if its not a stark enough difference, it just means we have more work to do.  It does not mean we abandon ship.

      "My arrival was somewhat like the coming of the strange most evil angel in the home of the snow-white fleece..." -Kerouac, On the Road

      by mostevilangel on Fri May 25, 2007 at 10:03:34 AM PDT

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      All one has to do is look at all the legislation Pelosi worked on in the first hundred days and the myriad of investigations that are ongoing. This diary is wrong and full of lazy thinking. I understand the sentiment, but it's just too easy to throw up your hands and run off the playground with your ball.

    •  Nader can go to hell (0+ / 0-)

      but it's just as wrong to say that they're on our side.

      The first 100 days were great, as far as they went. But if the war is the #1 issue, and it appears to be, then the dominant party is the MIC. Not the Democrats, not the Republicans.

      When the frontrunner Democrats are not only talking about the oil contract that the Iraqi parliament is supposed to pass by next month, but attempting to defeat it and leave control of Iraq's natural resources to the Iraqis; when they pull our troops out rather than giving Bush yet another Friedman; when they undertake a long, deep, structural analysis of the defense budget and industry and place it under close and skeptical Congressional oversight; when they hugely throttle back the National Secrecy State; then we'll have something like a party that serves us.

      The corporatists that theyrereal are worried about don't really care about the minimum wage in the US. They most likely don't like the Democrats nearly as much as the Republicans, either, but they'll still fill Democratic coffers and pressure Democratic politicians to get their way. As long as Democrats buckle under that pressure, they're part of the same problem.

      No laws but Liberty. No king but Conscience.

      by oldjohnbrown on Fri May 25, 2007 at 01:50:42 PM PDT

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  •  What you say is true, (0+ / 0-)

    and it makes me mad as hell.

    For the sake of our Constitution--IMPEACH

    by LightningMan on Fri May 25, 2007 at 09:43:56 AM PDT

  •  Although I understand the sentiment (4+ / 0-)
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    I think you are wrong. You think it will be more efficient to build up an entire new apparatus to fight BOTH established parties? If the progressives leave the Democratic Party, then you have blue dogs, DLC'ers, etc, running it completely and you have a self-fulfilling prophecy.

    I suggest that attacking the primaries and changing the Democratic Party from within is a much more efficient, and in the end much more successful tact to take than what you seem to be suggesting, which is to go outside and start a new Party.

    I am disappointed by the actions of the Dems on this, severely disappointed and I recognize that part of the reason they are capitulating is probably because there are those in the Party who serve the same masters as many in the Republican Party. That is upsetting, but it's reason to work to make them lose in the primaries, not a reason to abandon the Democratic Party altogether.

  •  Spot on diary. (0+ / 0-)

    If we want effective change in this country we will have to do it our self. Relying on others or on 'hope' just won't cut it any longer.

    "The bottom line is the American people are capable of determining their own ideals of heroes and they don't need to be told elaborate lies," Jessica Lynch

    by Esjaydee on Fri May 25, 2007 at 09:59:42 AM PDT

  •  For those rec'ing and agreeing (2+ / 0-)
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    I suggest you read dengre's diary also on the rec list HERE. I think the work described as a counter point to hope in the quoted passage above is the kind of work that dengre is doing. Find the corruption, and work hard to root it out. There are corrupt dems, yes, but there is a culture of it among Republicans. Stopping corruption wherever it is would be a great step towards returning power to Democrats who deserve it and who will work for what is right for this country.

    Quoting from dengre's diary:

    I’m working on the list for 2008. This time I know I'll have lot's of help. Many of you are channeling your anger into research. You are honing it, focusing your work on the weakness you see. That is good. Trust me—it is far better than a rant. We will not win without doing the hard work behind every victory.

    We need to build a Party that works for people and the planet. We have some dead weight to clear out. We have some passions for justice to reignite. We have a Country to take back and a Planet to save.

    We lost a battle today. It hurts. You’ll have to work through the pain.

    This is a long struggle. The effort to establish a Republican led and protected Kleptocracy has been active for decades. We will not defeat it in months.

  •  I'm glad to see DKos... (1+ / 0-)
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    smkngman a community finally reaching critical mass on a decision to face the Truth of Our Situation. Any alcoholic or enabler will tell you that you can't fix a problem until you stop denying it exists. The Democrats in Congress Do Not work for us. Finally Reality is going to trump "reality." Heh. have always seen it. Thanks for being a leader.


    by nehark on Fri May 25, 2007 at 10:07:34 AM PDT

    •  Angry, frustrated, out of hope & patience. (1+ / 0-)
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      But above all, I feel alone.

      Completely alone and powerless.

      It's like I'm in the Star Wars universe, and the evil Galactic Empire is at its worst, crushing all before it.  I get angry, decide enough is enough, and go to join the Rebel Alliance.

      Except there is no Rebel Alliance.  It doesn't exist.  Maybe there are a few groups in the Empire that promise to make things better, but it's all empty promises.  But any group that managed to assemble a few X-Wings and fight the good fight has long ago been obliterated.

      So when I go to fight the good fight, there is nobody to fight with.  Noone to watch your back.  I am truly alone.

      And all that is just and good in the universe dies.

    •  Yeah...leading us straight to a loss in 2008. (0+ / 0-)

      What's the purpose of this site again?

  •  you speak for me (0+ / 0-)

    FAR more eloquently than I could have.

    Financial decisions are ethical decisions.

    by trinityfly on Fri May 25, 2007 at 10:27:34 AM PDT

  •  The Johnson article quotes Noam Chomsky (3+ / 0-)

    "Where spending is rising, as in military supplemental bills to conduct the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, it would sharply decline. Where spending is steady or declining (health, education, job training, the promotion of energy conservation and renewable energy sources, veterans benefits, funding for the UN and UN peacekeeping operations, and so on), it would sharply increase. Bush's tax cuts for people with incomes over $200,000 a year would be immediately rescinded"

    To his examples, I would add that the spending on prisons, and especially on the drug war should decline sharply as well.  Talk about militarizing our own society!

  •  Rock on baby! (1+ / 0-)
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    I was a Nichiren Shoshu Buddhist for 10 years:

    "Control your own destiny"

    Most of us already know it's "hammer time".

    Maybe the rest of the country will wake up...


    Next time I tell you someone from Texas should NOT be president of the United States, please pay attention. In Memory of Molly Ivins, 1944-2007

    by truebeliever on Fri May 25, 2007 at 11:04:28 AM PDT

  •  And now the circle is complete... (3+ / 0-)

    way back in 2000 when my attention and participation began increasing in the political process, what you've written here is where I was.

    But I started leaning towards the Dems as time went by, as the Republicans began to seize more and more power, and sliding us into the abyss. I needed an option, a place to put my hope. Just as you say.

    and now... it's come full circle and I'm back here, agreeing with you concerning the state of our soldout "2" party system. The only difference there ever was, was the Dems are slicker about obfuscating and couching it in the public interest, the Republicans simply being ham-handed about it.

    The concept you've posited concerning hope, however, is something a bit new to me. But the more I think about it, the more I think you're right. Hope, like pity it seems to me now, is one of those slippery emotions that cloak themselves in altruism and good intent, but still lead down the road to hell. Steal your strength (or others), keep you quiet, keep you looking ahead or behind, never where you are NOW. The perception of cynicism vs hope, seems cosmetic, neither leading to any actual action or effort, only apathy. Either one, would not move a molehill, let alone a mountain. But anger... passion, love, determination, vision, honest appraisal regardless of the damage done by the truth... those I believe will move both heaven AND earth.

    You're talking a revolution here. Up front, plain and simple, a new revolution.

    Long past time for it. I'm in.


    "níl síochán gan cheart"

    No justice, no peace

    by Erevann on Fri May 25, 2007 at 11:25:21 AM PDT

  •  Take our ball and go home? (1+ / 0-)
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    The level of narcissism in this diary is just astounding.  Because Democratic leaders are implementing a legislative strategy that doesn't immediately satisfy you, they are wife-beaters?  All democrats are painted with the same corporatist brush and in a few short months have morphed into a whole caucus as bad as the Republican party.  Seriously?

    Your plan, I guess, is to start some sort of a movement outside the system (TBD), and then force them to fear us.  I'd remind you that we have a little netroots movement going on that is close to what you want, without the fear part.

    I recommend to you that you show a little backbone and stand behind our leaders and their decisions.  Have more faith that they are acting in our best interest, even if you (aka, center of universe) don't get your every wish.  Your backbiting is unproductive and supports the "democrats are splintered" meme of our opponents.

    The dogs are in the motherfuckin' street

    by GenXWho on Fri May 25, 2007 at 11:30:17 AM PDT

    •  Still sorting (0+ / 0-)
      I'm still reacting to this disappointment but your mention of strategy highlights a major part of one problem I know I have and that is, what strategy?  What was the strategy, what did the Democrats hope to gain by voting for this bill?

      Nothing I've heard so far from those voting indicates any strategy worth this vote.

      1.  The "we had to pass something" response.  That is totally lame.  Anyone who hears this  rationale knows that.  It is either dishonest or just highlights how much power the President has over Congress.    

      2.  The "we  didn't hand him a blank check, we got something out of him too" rationale.  The something described was 20 billion in spending on other priorities the President opposed.

      I heard this answer in response to the quick criticism of the vote and I thought, horrible, really horrible.  Is there no issue that a compromise/bribe won't resolve?  If the Democrats get spending on X, maybe a bill revoking one of our civil liberties statutes is ok too.  I mean what isn't ok so long  as we they get a little something out of it.  

      3.   We'll hurt the troops.  Other diaries have addressed this false reasoning.

      So far, all I can conclude is that politicians who voted for this didn't want to be criticized for "not supporting the troops".  It all boils down to politics as usual, the if I think it will hurt my chances for getting reelected, I won't do it type politics.  

      If it were on some other issue, it wouldn't be so signficant but on this, the war, one of the most important issues to voters, it can't be viewed as anything other than a betrayal of trust.

      There's only so much you can ask of people, in the way of patience or loyalty.  Republicans value this kind of party loyalty.  The kind where you support them no matter what, I don't think that's  a healthy sort of loyalty for a democracy.              

      •  I'm frustrated, too (0+ / 0-)

        I think the strategy is something like this:

        • Dems don't have a veto-proof majority
        • Send up a bill with timelines (something Americans want) and make him veto it
        • Participate in negotiations and point out the president's stubbornness
        • Reluctantly provide funding with some strings, and allow potentially endangered members of the Dem caucus to support it--allow strong anti-war Dems to vote against.  Since the veto cannot be overridden, at least take political cover.
        • Take future opportunities to repeat process and pound at the president's position until enough Repubs jump ship.  These chances will occur in July ('08 funding) and again in September (supplmental).

        The alternative would be to keep sending the same bill back.  Although we know that the troops would continue to be funded in the short term, that is not the perception that this strategy would create.  So, the result of this strategy would be that Dems are painted as withholding funds for troops, and in reality, nothing will have changed.

        I think that "politics as usual" here is just plain politics.  And I think that our leaders have been in politics longer and are better at it than us.  I'm not blindly loyal, but I think that some benefit of the doubt should be given.  At the same time, the rhetoric (like this diary) against the whole Dem party I think are just a bit hysterical, and don't help our long-term cause.

        BTW--I went over to CNN and the coverage there of Dems was actually quite sympathetic.

        (Sorry for the late post--I forgot to send last Fri)

        The dogs are in the motherfuckin' street

        by GenXWho on Tue May 29, 2007 at 07:20:41 AM PDT

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  •  In the end... Illusory choices (0+ / 0-)

    between puppet party A or B is what it seems to come down to.

    A recent CNN poll showed the majority of people are now Independent(42%), Democrat (33%), Republican (25%).

    Some things we might do as an Independent majority are:

    1. Move towards a citizen-based direct voting democracy and away from a representative-based one. Make our direct votes count instead of letting the electoral system override the popular vote. It made sense to elect people to represent us in Washington before we had the information and technological ability to do this ourselves. This could vastly streamline the number of 'representatives' we need.
    1. Create a National Referendum so it is possible to put issues to a direct vote of the people without going through our representatives. Think how much money we'd save if, say, abortion rights were debated and voted on directly by the people. Many states alreadyhave such a process in place.
    1. Primarily vote for incumbents at every election cycle, so the whole bunch gets turned over frequently. Don't allow them to stay around long enough to do long term harm. Make it hard to buy influence. Only keep the ones whose actions clearly demonstrate an advancement of people-based political ideas.

    Of course, each of these ideas will just create another set of problems to deal with.

    Maybe those of us who grew up in the 60's will ultimately be able to help finish the movement towards people-based politics we started way back when. Wouldn't that be a wonderful legacy for a generation to be remembered for!

  •  Bill Hicks said (1+ / 0-)
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    I'll show you politics in America right here, miming like a puppet master. 'I believe the puppet on the right shares my beliefs.' 'Well, I believe the puppet on the left is more to my liking.' Hey, wait a minute, there's one guy holding up both puppets! 'Go back to bed, America, your government is in control. Here's Love Connection, watch this and get fat and stupid. By the way, keep drinking beer.'

    I am aware of the fact there are people who pay attention to what I do and say, but I try to avoid customizing my behavior for them. -Ian MacKaye

    by waitingforvizzini on Fri May 25, 2007 at 12:21:38 PM PDT

  •  Probably the best diary I have ever read here. (2+ / 0-)
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  •  What do democrats fear? (1+ / 0-)
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    Disappearing into the cornfield.

    Billy Mumy, as the kid in the Twilight Zone.
    The Kid that everyone was afraid of, and they all treated him with respect, because if they didn't, they would simply disappear into the Cornfield.

    Bush is the kid, and everyone else, are the democrats in Congress.

    "Committee; a group of men who can individually do nothing, but as a group decide that nothing can be done." Fred Allen, comedian

    by steelman on Fri May 25, 2007 at 12:32:25 PM PDT

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    movement/collection to launch a legal challenge to overturn the Supreme Court ruling that a corporation is legally a 'person'.

    Because that's where ALL their power and non-accountability stems from.

    How many people who rail against their corporate overlords even know the name of that case/ruling? It should be as well known as all your political opponents (and yourselves) know the name of Roe vs Wade.

    This single ruling and nothing else is the ring you need to focus everything and every effort on to return it the molten lava from whence it came to restore your world to as it should be. Everything else, every single issue raised in this diary, stems from it, so it is the key. The core kernel of the entire operating system.

    The challenge and journey will be fraught with danger as every powerful enemy will focus all their might and resources on stopping you and even destroying you through every means they have at their disposal. Because they know its true value. It's everything to them.

    •  along those lines... (0+ / 0-)

      came across a great article that kind of lays out corporate power and globalization at Common Dreams Globalization and Democracy: Some Basics by Michael Parenti

      The goal of the transnational corporation is to become truly transnational, poised above the sovereign power of any particular nation, while being served by the sovereign powers of all nations...
      With international "free trade" agreements such as NAFTA, GATT, and FTAA, the giant transnationals have been elevated above the sovereign powers of nation states...
      Free trade is not fair trade..[g]lobalization means turning the clock back on many twentieth-century reforms: no freedom to boycott products, no prohibitions against child labor, no guaranteed living wage or benefits, no public services that might conceivably compete with private services, no health and safety protections that might cut into corporate profits...
      What is being undermined is not only a lot of good laws dealing with environment, public services, labor standards, and consumer protection, but also the very right to legislate such laws. Our democratic sovereignty itself is being surrendered to a secretive plutocratic trade organization that presumes to exercise a power greater than that of the people and their courts and legislatures. What we have is an international coup d’état by big capital over the nations of the world. (all emphasis mine)

      Good article, I encourage you to read it.

  •  Check your email at yahoo, please. (0+ / 0-)

    Ask AL GORE To Run For PRESIDENT! Send your letter to: The Office of the Honorable Al Gore, 2100 West End Avenue, Nashville, TN 37203

    by ezdidit on Sat May 26, 2007 at 11:48:43 AM PDT

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