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Daily Kos is very definitely not the place you'd expect to see a lot of fulminating praise for right-wing conservatives. Yet the diaries are full of people who can't find enough nice things to say about Rep. Ron Paul, whose smiling face is at this moment being beamed to America from the site of the Republican debate in New Hampshire--after which, we may be sure, we will see yet another round of diaries brimming with joy about Paul's sweet words against the Iraq war. You, dear reader, may even be considering writing one or more such diaries yourself.

Before you do, fellow Democrat, please understand just one thing: Your affection for Paul is far from mutual. Through his words, his actions, and his votes in Congress, he has made one thing abundantly clear over the decades: Ron Paul hates you. By building him up, by supporting him, by taking him seriously, you are not driving a wedge into the heart of the Republican Party--you are only giving him a helping hand along the road to his goal of destroying just about everything you stand for.


  1. Ron Paul, In His Own Words
  2. Ron Paul: The Radical Right's Man in Washington
  3. Ron Paul: Dude is Wack
  4. Ron Paul Hates You

Let's have a look at some of the many, many issues on which Ron Paul places himself squarely in opposition to me and, presumably, you:

Abortion: Ron Paul's "libertarianism" famously does not extend to the right of a woman to control her body. In February he introduced H.R. 1094, "[t]o provide that human life shall be deemed to exist from conception." He voted against overriding Bush's veto of the stem cell bill.

The Environment: Ron Paul may be a Republican, but he's certainly not a Republican for Environmental Protection. That fine organization gave Paul a shameful 17 percent rating on its most recent Congressional Scorecard (warning: PDF). He doesn't fare much better in the eyes of the American Wilderness Coalition or the League of Conservation Voters. Paul's abysmal record on the environment is driven in large measure by his love of sweet, sweet oil: in the 109th Congress alone, he voted to voted allow drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, to shield oil companies from MTBE contamination lawsuits, against increasing gas mileage standards, to allow new offshore drilling, and to stop making oil companies pay royalties to the government for drilling in the Gulf of Mexico. Par for the course for a man who called the Kyoto accords "bad science, bad economics and bad domestic policy" and "anti-Americanism masquerading as environmentalism."

Immigration: Paul marches in lock-step with the xenophobic right wing on immigration, calling last month's compromise immigration bill "a compromise of our laws, a compromise of our sovereignty, and a compromise of the Second Amendment." Yet even the hardcore nativists in the immigration debate have been hesitant to support repealing birthright citizenship as enshrined in the Fourteenth Amendment, as Paul has done. His proposed Constitutional amendment, introduced as H. J. Res 46 on April 28, 2005, reads: "Any person born after the date of the ratification of this article to a mother and father, neither of whom is a citizen of the United States nor a person who owes permanent allegiance to the United States, shall not be a citizen of the United States or of any State solely by reason of birth in the United States." Only four other Representatives, all Republicans, were willing to cosponsor this proposed amendment.

Civil Rights: Paul doesn't much care for ensuring your right to vote. Like when he voted with just 32 other members of Congress against reauthorizing the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Or when he voted for the bogus "Federal Election Integrity Act" voter suppression bill.

But at least Ron Paul knows who's responsible for racism in America: you are. "By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality," he writes, "the advocates of so-called 'diversity' actually perpetuate racism. Their intense focus on race is inherently racist, because it views individuals only as members of racial groups." So now you know. (Apparently, saying that "[i]f you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be" is not racist, as long as it's said with a proper appreciation for free-market economics.)

Gay Rights: Paul's rigid, uncompromising libertarianism leads him to take a number of positions that liberals find objectionable or even reprehensible but which should not in themselves be taken as ipso facto evidence of bigotry. His reflexive opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1964, for example, is consistent with libertarian positions on federalism and the right of the individual to be free from government "coercion," even if that means limiting the ability of minorities to seek employment and housing free from discrimination.

Still, libertarian orthodoxy can't fully explain Paul's hostility to gay rights, and indeed to gay people in general. The Libertarian Party, which nominated Paul as its presidential candidate in 1988, has strongly opposed the so-called Defense of Marriage Act from the beginning; Paul supports it. While he opposed the "Federal Marriage Amendment" that would have outlawed gay marriage everywhere, he actually cosponsored the odious "Marriage Protection Act," which would nonsensically bar federal courts from considering challenges to the Defense of Marriage Act, which is a federal law. "The definition of marriage--a union between a man and a woman--can be found in any dictionary," he writes condescendingly. Despite Paul's disingenuous claims that he is a "strict constitutionalist," most legal scholars agree that the so-called Marriage Protection Act would be unconstitutional.

You also will not find Paul listed among the 124 co-sponsors of the Military Readiness Enhancement Act of 2007, which would repeal the "don't ask, don't tell" policy barring gays and lesbians from serving in the military. Maybe he's worried that they'll take their "gay agenda" to far-flung corners of the world. He also doesn't want gay people adopting children while they're not serving in the military, either.

On a personal level, we have this 1993 quote wherein Paul equates homosexuality with "sexual deviance." And let's not forget his wink-wink characterization of Hillary Clinton as "a far leftist with very close female friends".

Church-State Separation: From keeping "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance to co-sponsoring the school prayer amendment to keeping the Ten Commandments on a courthouse lawn, this "strict constitutionalist" isn't a big fan of the Constitutionally-mandated separation of church and state. "Religious morality will always inform the voting choices of Americans of all faiths," he writes. "...The collectivist left" --that's you!-- "is threatened by strong religious institutions, because it wants an ever-growing federal government to serve as the unchallenged authority in our society.... So the real motivation behind the insistence on a separation of church and state is not based on respect for the First amendment, but rather on a desire to diminish the influence of religious conservatives at the ballot box."

And just in case the dirty liberals in the federal court system might take it into their heads to enforce the Establishment Clause, Mr. Strict Constitutionalist introduced a bill to bar the federal courts from hearing any such cases. No wonder James Dobson's Family Research Council gave Paul a 75 percent rating on their 2005 scorecard.

International Relations: Like crackpot paleoconservatives everywhere, Paul wants us out of the United Nations, which is just a bunch of un-American non-Americans out to destroy America. Darfur is also filled with non-Americans, so you certainly won't find Ron Paul lifting a finger to stop the genocide, or even acknowledge that genocide is taking place. I guess that's why he's one of only four members of Congress to receive an "F" rating on Darfur from the Genocide Intervention Network.

Peace and Military Issues: With all the hooting and hollering about Paul's opposition to the Iraq war, it sure seems like he should have been able to get better than 58 percent from PeacePAC, doesn't it? Even Joe Lieberman managed to get 63 percent. (Still, it beats the 45 percent Paul got from them in the previous Congress.) He did a little better from Peace Action, managing 67 percent--easily the top score for a Republican, but a below-average score for Democrats. (Still, it beats the 40 percent he got from them in 2004.)

And while Paul may oppose the Iraq war, he doesn't seem to have much use for the men and women who have to fight it. Paul received an "F" rating from the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America. It's not easy to get an F from the IAVA; Paul shares this distinction with only six other members of the House.

Taxes: Do we even need to go into this one? If you audaciously believe that we need a progressive system of taxation in this country, here's what Ron Paul thinks of you:

  • "[W]e have exactly the kind of steeply progressive tax system championed by Karl Marx. One might expect the left to be happy with such an arrangement.  At its core, however, the collectivist left in this country simply doesn’t believe in tax cuts.  Deep down, they believe all wealth belongs to the state, which should redistribute it via tax and welfare policies to achieve some mythical 'social justice.'... The class war tactic highlights what the left does best: divide Americans into groups.  Collectivists see all issues of wealth and taxation as a zero-sum game played between competing groups.  If one group gets a tax break, other groups must be rallied against it- even if such a cut would ultimately benefit them.... Upward mobility is possible only in a free-market capitalist system, whereas collectivism dooms the poor to remain exactly where they are."
  • "Collectivist politicians forget that the American dream of becoming wealthy is alive and well. They seek to encourage resentment of the wealthy, when in truth most Americans admire successful people. They forget that upward mobility, the chance to start from humble beginnings and achieve wealth and position, is virtually impossible in high-tax socialist societies. Most of all, however, the pro-tax politicians forget that your money belongs to you. As a society, we should not forget their dishonesty when we go to the polls."

Screw this; this diary's way too long already. Worker rights: Voted to defund OSHA's ergonomics rules. Voted against increasing mine safety standards. Hates unions. Campaign finance reform: Opposes. Social Security and Medicare: Repeats the Republicans' lies about the programs' solvency. Consumer protection: Voted for the bankruptcy bill. Voted to make it harder to file class-action lawsuits. Universal health care: don't make me laugh. Privatizing everything: the Internets are not large enough to hold all the citations.

"But he's against the war!" Yes, he is. So is Pat Buchanan. So is David Duke. If either of them were on the stage in New Hampshire today, full of sweet words about the war, would you be as quick to praise their "independence," to gush about how well of course I wouldn't vote for him myself but he sure is awesome anyway? Do you truly require nothing from a political candidate other than that he oppose the war?

Think about it.

Originally posted to phenry on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 04:34 PM PDT.

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  •  Brilliant work (19+ / 0-)

    Unfortunately there remain some Kossacks who don't care for facts. Their love for Ron Paul is not sane.

    I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day

    by eugene on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 04:36:44 PM PDT

  •  I'm giving you a recommend... (16+ / 0-)

    I've been beating this drum for a while--Paul's not my rep but part of his district is in the Austin TV market. I'm willing to give credit where credit is due vis a vis Paul's stance on the Iraq War. He's been against it a lot longer than most prominent Democrat.

    But never forget that Paul is, at best, the best of the worst. He's certainly no progressive.

    "Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight. You've got to kick at the darkness until it bleeds daylight." --Bruce Cockburn, "Lovers In A Dangerous

    by AustinCynic on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 04:41:09 PM PDT

  •  Beautifully researched - I hope others will read, (7+ / 0-)

    mark, learn and inwardly digest this.

  •  Tipped, Rec'd, and bookmarked. (7+ / 0-)

    Impressive job, phenry; thanks for this.

    Yes, that sequence of words I just said made perfect sense.

    by sbdenmon on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 04:43:51 PM PDT

  •  Ron Paul is John McCain 2.0 (8+ / 0-)

    Be carefull what you shoot at, most things in here don't react well to bullets-Sean Connery .... Captain Marko Ramius -Hunt For Red October

    by JML9999 on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 04:45:24 PM PDT

  •  Well, (6+ / 0-)
    I think many are just hearing his dislike of the Iraq war. It pulled me in until I heard some of his comments tonight. Now I can't find any repub. I could vote for if my life depended on it. These guys are nothing but a bunch of liars. They are lying about their lies tonight in the debate.

    "Though the Mills of the Gods grind slowly,Yet they grind exceeding small."

    by Owllwoman on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 04:47:15 PM PDT

  •  What? (1+ / 0-)
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    "By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality," he writes, "the advocates of so-called 'diversity' actually perpetuate racism.

    Well, how about that. When is the -(R) party going to stop doing that? Good question for future debate.

    I'm the person your mother warned you about.

    by Unique Material on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 04:47:39 PM PDT

  •  the enemy of your enemy (15+ / 0-)

    is not necessarily your friend.

  •  Thanks for posting this. (5+ / 0-)
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    vcmvo2, Elise, esquimaux, 0wn, Sayhar

    Ron Paul is a dangerous flake.  That people are singing his praises just shows you how far we've sunk as a country.

  •  Ron Paul is.. (4+ / 0-)
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    vcmvo2, Elise, esquimaux, 0wn

    .. like most of his cohorts, simply aPAULing. He is proof that even if a group is wrong all the time, someone will be right once in a while.

    Shhhhh, don't tell anyone Al Gore is running for President. It's a secret!

    by Tuba Les on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 05:05:32 PM PDT

  •  Think about it. (1+ / 0-)
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    i haven't.

    give some meanings to the means to your ends...
    -6.63, -5.95

    by missreporter on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 05:07:58 PM PDT

  •  Heard he opposes handing out H-1Bs like candy (7+ / 0-)

    Or selling the American manufacturing base to China - in exchange the for the further enrichment of a select few super rich.

    Thank God we still have a few xenophobes like that.

  •  Terrific - Recommended (3+ / 0-)
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    Elise, pico, kath25

    and about time.  Thanks.

  •  True, but THEN... (6+ / 0-)

    .. will this be the end of the comments about how "smart" the GOP was to support Nader?

    'cause, either Nadar was the big, bad 'spoiler' and the Greens are a clever GOP front that divides real progressives,

    or that type of thing doesn't work.

    Seriously, I'm agnostic on the Nader / Green Party issue ... but it's a surprise to see how this community can at one moment see all the complexities of the political system, and at others suddenly see it all as black-and-white.


    Those who fail to learn from history...are invited to submit an application for a position in the Bush administration.

    by Timoteo on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 05:13:34 PM PDT

  •  If Ron Paul hates me, I can't imagine what (29+ / 0-)

    the 9 other FREAKS on that stage think of me.

    "...and while other presidents have sucked in their own individual ways, Bush is like a Smorgsbord of suck."-Bill Maher on Real Time 5-25-07

    by Chamonix on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 05:15:33 PM PDT

  •  It needed to be said, thank you (2+ / 0-)
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    Thank you for putting all this together. It's easy for people to get excited about Paul simply because he's the only Republican candidate with realistic views on Iraq, but he's pretty awful on just about any other topic.

    There are aspects of the Libertarians that I agree with, but Paul stands for everything that I don't.

  •  Thank you. (9+ / 0-)

    I hope everyone looking for Google information on Ron Paul sees this page. Such information about Ron Paul is vital to people really understanding what Ron Paul is all about.

    I wonder if people who read such things about Ron Paul still plan to vote for Ron Paul. Ron Paul may sure hope so, but I doubt it.

  •  Hates Medicare (11+ / 0-)

    Said so on The Daily Show last night.

    •  Said it would be the first thing he'd cut... (8+ / 0-)

      To save spending.

      Jon Stewart treated him like royalty, but at the same time he managed to slip in a few rather sharp questions about medicare, taxes, and privatization that gave you some insight into Paul's darker side if you were paying attention.

      •  That is not true (0+ / 0-)

        He said many people are dependent on it and it is not high on his list of priorities. Did you watch the same show I did?

        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." -- Groucho Marx

        by rolandzebub on Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 09:08:43 AM PDT

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        •  Probably did watch it (0+ / 0-)

          Just skimmed it for "catch phrases" without thinking about intent or context.

          (-0.05 econ., -5.44 social) Democratic Freedom Caucus-a better way.

          by ztn on Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 09:35:53 AM PDT

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          •  I said it backwards, apologies (0+ / 0-)

            But it was the first thing Paul said he'd cut, when Jon Stewart asked him about how he'd like to reduce spending.

            I watched because I enjoy the Daily show, not to gather "catch phrases" on Ron Paul.

            I think that the amount of angst this diary has generated shows the diarist was pretty much on target in their stated reasons for writing it.

            •  Jon asked HIM about Medicare (0+ / 0-)

              and he said he would cut it. He also said it would have to be phased out...not chopped all at once. He also said it wasn't a priority. He's far more preoccupied with war and our ensuing police state.

              (-0.05 econ., -5.44 social) Democratic Freedom Caucus-a better way.

              by ztn on Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 03:41:46 PM PDT

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    •  Hates Medicare? (0+ / 0-)

      So do my parents, aunts and uncles. They're on it.

      What's your point? It's doesn't work well.

      That Medicare is so important to you and others shows that means trump ends. Very closed-minded, IMO.

      Why embrace such a bad system? Are you not at all interested in possibly better ideas.

      (-0.05 econ., -5.44 social) Democratic Freedom Caucus-a better way.

      by ztn on Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 09:34:37 AM PDT

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  •  Fuck Ron Paul (10+ / 0-)

    I've no idea why anyone would be promoting a Republican here.

    Really. The Republican party remains the party of institutional racism and torture.

    I don't care how many "nice" Republicans there are.

  •  Ron Paul is a fringe candidate (8+ / 0-)

    who is, whether by spamming or otherwise, attracting a certain degree of attention in the Republican Party race.  Wingnuts are going crazy trying to marginalize him because they are afraid of what he's saying and the response he appears to be getting from some folks on the other side.  Do you think Rudy Giuliani took a rhetorical swing at Paul last time around for no reason at all?  The fact is that they're all a little freaked by Paul.

    As a Democrat, I applaud anything that makes the Republicans look stupid and foolish (a long list of things these days, no doubt).  Ron Paul is a loon, absolutely -- nobody claims otherwise.  But don't you think that talking up the other guy's loony fringe candidate has a certain appeal to it from a strategic perspective?  Hello?  Ralph Nader?

    Honestly, I don't give a shit what Ron Paul thinks or what he does.  He's a fringe nutball who embarrasses Republicans and makes them look bad.  I want him front and center as much as humanly possible.  And so should you.  Strategy isn't based on making "friends" with your "enemies," it's about creating a narrative that makes your enemies look stupid.  And Ron Paul fits that niche very well, thank you, not DESPITE his bizarre ideas, but preicistely BECAUSE of his bizarre ideas.

    "We have too many high-sounding words, and too few actions that correspond with them." -- Abigail Adams

    by jsmdlawyer on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 05:25:59 PM PDT

  •  A wonderful diary (5+ / 0-)
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    In a time where its seems like every other diary is trashing one of our superb Democratic presidential candidates, this is a breath of fresh air.

  •  Excellent work! (11+ / 0-)

    You've been writing these Ron Paul diaries for a bit...and I have to say I really appreciate them. People cheering for this wacko need a reality check...and I'm glad to see you provide it.

  •  Thanks. (3+ / 0-)
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    You've done this community a great service.  The love will still flow from the ignorant but now we'll have something for them to read and attempt to refute.

  •  We just need a spoiler (3+ / 0-)

    Ron Paul looks like a great spoiler

    I don't think many Kossacks would actually vote for him to be President

  •  You're missing the point. (33+ / 0-)

    No one is under any illusion that he would be a good president at all. We don't need to be reminded that he's about as far to the right as they get. What does matter, however, is that he's just about the only GOP candidate who is bringing some sort of intellectual honesty to the debate. Whatever his positions end up being. Political discourse had been dying a slow and steady death, and nothing is more infuriating to me than the blatant dishonesty of the process these days. People like Ron Paul because even though he's extreme, he is not patrionizing, and you can follow his reasoning. He doesn't just shout slogans.

    Having said that, I hope he wins the nomination primarily so that we can kick his ass. But it would be nice to see both parties going anti-war.

    •  agree completely (9+ / 0-)

      as bad as Paul is compared to Democrats,  he is a breath of fresh air for a Republican.

      If he can point out the stupidity of Rudy & company, the better it will be for the Democrats

    •  Wow Great Comment! (2+ / 0-)
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      I would recommend it, but the square seems to be missing underneath your comment.

      Got Left off the Blogroll so I'll Pimp it Here NorthCoastOregon

      by OregonCoast on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 05:31:46 PM PDT

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      •  Keep trying to rec it. (0+ / 0-)

        It isn't getting a response from those attacking Paul but nevertheless it is a wonderful comment on this issue.

        Wanna piss off a Neocon?

        by Common Cents on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 06:46:16 PM PDT

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        •  I have a question (0+ / 0-)

          Do you disagree with the people who are attacking him on the issues?  Are you in agreement with some of his other issues?

          If there were a Democratic presidential candidate, and Paul were running, would his words sound as great?

          I regard the right to embarrass each other one of the cherished parts of American democracy. -Barney Frank

          by otto on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 08:31:24 PM PDT

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          •  Issues I agree with Paul on... (5+ / 0-)

            The War in Iraq-He is fundamentally right and has been from the beginning.

            Pre-Emption-He is correct on this doctrine.

            The Drug War-He is right that it is a waste of time.

            Iran-They have done nothing to us.

            Patriot Act, wiretapping...-They are serious assaults on liberty

            These are all issues which a president could have an effect and Paul is right on them.

            Do I agree with him on everything? No. I don't agree with any politician on everything. Nor do I expect anyone to be in lockstep with me.

            I don't get the second question. If Paul were a Democrat would it sound as good? Yes.

            Wanna piss off a Neocon?

            by Common Cents on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 08:37:47 PM PDT

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          •  i'll agree mostly with (3+ / 0-)
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            common sense and i'll also add

            i like paul mostly on his foreign policy (which is THE biggest issue of today)

            regarding the so-called 'war on drugs': it and the foreign policy are the things that most need to be done here and abroad that will fix many other problems that we have here in america (IMHO)
            two thirds of America's inmates are non-violent drug offenders ... disproportionately minorities

            and those two issues are the most likely to happen if paul is elected (and i know that's a BIG if)

            his positions on abortion and religion are just that... his positions

            he knows that a president shouldn't push personal social positions on the public, but as a representative he's bound to vote for his district's social positions (which align with his personal positions naturally)

            and that's why we have a constitution and a federal system and states have rights and judges make decisions

            a lot of what i'm seeing here that's anti-paul is people being fearful (wrongly IMHO) of what paul might do if he gained office and governed like bush (which is just insane!)

            go back and read my most recent diary carefully if you need more info on my personal position regarding dr paul

            None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. Goethe
            Heathbar's Crunch

            by Dr Seuss on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 09:35:31 PM PDT

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    •  I agree (5+ / 0-)

      He isn't filtering what he says through focus groups and coaching from consultants.  That's what makes him refreshing and interesting to listen to.

      That doesn't mean that I want him to be President.  His stance on returning to a gold standard is economically scary, if not terrifying, for example.

      I don't trust anything that the top three of either party says...

      Romney - Dizzy from all his position changes
      Giuliani - Unable to back positions up with thought
      McCain - Straight talk until it's useful to be bendy

      Clinton & Obama - Basing their war positions on watching what the other is doing?
      Edwards - The only dubious one.  Does he believe what he's doing or is it a tactic?  I suspect too much of a tactic.

      The no-hopers like Kucenich, Gravel, Paul are the ones that raise interesting points of view in the debates.  That the Republicans tried to shut Paul out shows how bankrupt they are, that Kos suggested shutting Gravel out...  Well let's just say my Democratic cynicism meter jumped way up.

    •  Excellent rebuttal sir. (3+ / 0-)
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      You are exactly right. The guy is honest. That is refreshing.

      Wanna piss off a Neocon?

      by Common Cents on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 06:17:50 PM PDT

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    •  Paul Is A "Flake".... "Nutball"... (6+ / 0-)

      But if  both houses of congress took Paul's advice ther would be 3,400 US military personell alive rather than  dead, and, oh, maybe 500,000 Iraqis also still alive.
      In 2002 and 03' our country could have used more Ron Pauls'.

      'It's deja vu all over again'-Yogi Berra

      by frandor55 on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 06:21:16 PM PDT

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  •  I couldn't believe it (0+ / 0-)

    when he was on REAL TIME. I totally agreed with him when he went after Giuliani, but agreeing with someone on one issue does not mean he's got it all right!!! It's a sad statement about the right that he's the best spokesman they have at the moment, whacko that he is!

    "Nothing more completely baffles one who is full of trick and duplicity than straightforward and simple integrity."--C.C. Colton

    by rcvanoz on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 05:31:13 PM PDT

    •  I seem to remember a bunch (1+ / 0-)
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      of discussion about "single issue" politics about a year or two ago around these parts.

      We're never going to find a candidate who is 100% perfect on every single issue that affects America -- but if we can find one who is close on those issues and is willing to learn from his/her mistakes and change and grow (you know, what the Right would call "flip-flopping"), we can go a long way to bringing a semblance of sanity back to this country...

  •  Thank you thank you (3+ / 0-)
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    I just read another posting lauding Paul as "bi-partisan" and getting "progressive support", and was starting to wonder how dumb progressives could be.

    I'm just going to bookmark your diary for future reference - it should be front-paged.

    Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. - Sam J. Ervin, Jr.

    by tiponeill on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 05:35:25 PM PDT

  •  His position on...... (2+ / 0-)
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    Iraq and foreign policy is the most sensible off all the candidates on the stage, thats about it. He brings a different voice to the debate.

    Great diary, I didnt know all these things about R. Paul. I still think he is correct on Iraq and warnings of potential blowbacks in future interventions.

    only the dissatisfied can make change

    by pharoah on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 05:35:41 PM PDT

  •  I was chatting with a Paul supporter about... (6+ / 0-)

    ...GLBT issues today.  It was bizarre.  All about "civil liberties" but no civil rights.  Apparently being a homophobe is one of those liberties that should be protected.

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    by rserven on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 05:39:54 PM PDT

    •  I had an interesting coversation with some (2+ / 0-)
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      His supporters were holding signs, but surprisingly they didn't know that he is a Republican.  One of them told me that, "I don't really know much about politics."  The other one told me, "It doesn't matter anyway, because I'm going for Hillary."  

      Those quotes are direct from his 'supporters.'  

      I found out from them that they were being paid by some guy to hold the signs.  The guy had told them that Paul is an Indpendent.  When I finally spoke to the guy that was paying them, he never would admit to me that Paul is a Republican.

      I regard the right to embarrass each other one of the cherished parts of American democracy. -Barney Frank

      by otto on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 08:35:01 PM PDT

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  •  Eh... (10+ / 0-) isn't like he needs to be torn down like this.  He has no shot at being President, and honestly, having him in the public eye benefits everyone but mainstream Republicans.

    Sure, the infatuation with him here is annoying (to me mostly because the real ideas behind what he says isn't being taken seriously and people have no idea who he really is) but the vitriol with which he is received by some makes me think (more than usual) that Markos and his "libertarian Democrats" may be crazy after all.

    The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it. ~ H.L. Mencken

    by Jay Elias on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 05:40:40 PM PDT

  •  big Libertarians (7+ / 0-)

    are allies on Habeas and other civil liberties and the war.

    Let's not even talk trade policies.

    He's not one of us, but he is an ally, let's just not get carried away.


  •  THANK YOU!!!! (4+ / 0-)

    I keep bringing this up in all the "I Heart Ron Paul" posts.

    Just watch his interview on C Span.  Go to C Span, search videos for "Ron Paul."

    If that's what you want for your country, you might as well vote for Grover Nordquist.

    I'm ready for 2008! Where's a candidate?? :D

    by InquisitiveRaven on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 05:52:30 PM PDT

  •  Excellent Diary. (1+ / 0-)
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  •  See... your problem is... you love neo-cons. (8+ / 0-)

    9 out of 10 Republican candidates this election are neocons, and 7 out of 10 Democratic candidates are neo-cons.

    All of which will continue the war if elected. There will be no end to Iraq unless a anti-neocon is elected.

    I know that is hard to understand, but any anti-neocon needs support from people of every party if any pressure is going to come down on the neocons.

  •  Thanks (1+ / 0-)
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    Great diary.

    Ron Paul is a crackhead.


  •  What about the Patriot Act, Drug War, and Iraq? (10+ / 0-)

    He is right on all three. He opposes nation building and interventionist foreign policy including being realistic about Iran. He voted against the Iraqi war unlike many running for president.

    I think he is okay.

    Wanna piss off a Neocon?

    by Common Cents on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 06:04:30 PM PDT

  •  No need to get so agitated (9+ / 0-)

    Very interesting diary.

    But seriously, I don't see the big deal.  No one here is suggesting that we should vote for him in a general election, or bring him into the party, or anything like that.

    The "biggest moral issue is pre-emptive war" answer was the single best debate answer I've heard from EITHER side so far on the general topic of warfare.  And I'll be damned if he doesn't deserve credit for it, even if he's insane otherwise.

    My candidate walks on water and can beat up Chuck Norris. Yours sucks ****.

    by cardinal on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 06:04:46 PM PDT

  •  i'm still thinking (3+ / 0-)
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    of sending him money.  

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    by pacified on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 06:08:02 PM PDT

  •  Ron Paul Hates You (1+ / 0-)
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    And My Cat Hates You. the title of this diary. hell below us, above us only sky.

    by rightiswrong on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 06:10:32 PM PDT

  •  I can't honestly say I'm agianst Ron (5+ / 0-)

    I won't vote for him and would hate to see him win.  But I would Love to see Republicans return to some of the attitudes he preclaims in the debates.  For that reason alone, I'll quietly let him sell his more moderate beliefs to the massses and hold my tongue on other matters.

    The year 2008 was a general date by which time everyone will realize the world they thought they were living in was over.

    by Fernando Poo on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 06:13:29 PM PDT

  •  Of course he hates us. (2+ / 0-)
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    But personally, I enjoy watching a Republican yell at other, creepier Republicans, and I'll continue to enjoy it.

    I also enjoy watching Arlen Specter's displays of righteous indignation. Doesn't mean I think he's a great guy.

    "...and it's here the lonely say that the heart has got to open in a fundamental way." --Leonard Cohen, "Democracy"

    by maralenenok on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 06:16:06 PM PDT

  •  Fuck Ron Paul (7+ / 0-)

    And thank you for this diary.  The Democratic Party "leadership" has rotted for so long, that many of the younguns in the rank-and-file don't recognize an arch-enemy when they see one.

  •  okay, don't hate me (2+ / 0-)
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    but this video rocks. And no I am not part of the "oh looky that wunnerful ron"

    Ball of Confusion

    The trick is in what one emphasizes. We either make ourselves miserable, or we make ourselves happy. The amount of work is the same." Carlos Castaneda

    by FireCrow on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 06:18:42 PM PDT

  •  More like "Ron Lol", amirite? (1+ / 0-)
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    He's the Republican version of Mike Gravel.

  •  Ron Paul is as crazy as June bug on meth (4+ / 0-)
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    But right now he's playing a helpful, if minor, role needling Il Duce and the other GOP fascists on the war in Iraq.

    If Lenin were alive, he'd probably call him a "useful idiot."

    So what's wrong with that?

    •  I hate his opinions on a lot of issues, (3+ / 0-)

      but when they asked what the biggest moral issue was, and everyone was blahblahblahing about anti-choice, evil brown people, how God wants us to takeover the world, etc., he said the biggest moral issus is that we embraced the concept of pre-emptive war.  If he were a threat, I'd be more concerned about his other opinions, but for now, he's the only reason I didn't throw my pizza at the TV tonight.  At least there was one sensible opinion on one point up there.  I also liked McCain on immigration.  Maybe it's just because the others were such a bunch of moronic wingnuts on pretty much every point.

  •  A challenge to liberals in love with Ron Paul (1+ / 0-)
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    I wrote this in a different thread, and thought I'd duplicate it in this diary:

    Would all the liberals who are falling for Ron Paul please point to a single Republican that is doing the same? Good luck finding one... right wingers don't respond well to left wing positions like you or I do. Ron Paul is trying to target us, not them. And the GOP is letting them use their debates to do it.
    It makes no sense... the guy's using a right wing primary to appeal to left wing voters and independents. Call me crazy, but isn't he supposed to be appealing to the right so that they'll nominate him? Instead, he seems to be gearing up for a general election campaign of stealing left wing and independent votes from the Democrats. It is an illusion that he'll be stealing any votes from the Republicans... any conservative voting for an independent Ron Paul in a general election would not have bothered to vote at all. Ron Paul's potential is as a spoiler against the Democratic candidate, not as a spoiler against the Republican candidate. Why? Because with the current climate, you don't need a spoiler to beat the GOP... but the GOP needs a spoiler to beat the Democrats! If Ron Paul runs in the general election, know that he does it to derail the Democrats in 2008.

    •  I don't care what other people do. (3+ / 0-)
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      I like Paul and his views on key issues. I respect his honesty. If you can't dig that fine.

      Wanna piss off a Neocon?

      by Common Cents on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 06:28:21 PM PDT

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      •  The point is... (1+ / 0-)
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        ... Ron Paul is running in a Republican primary, and he's making no effort to appeal to Republican voters.
        I don't respect his honesty because I don't think he's being honest. If he were an honest GOP candidate, he'd be trying to win over the right wingers he needs to actually win the nomination. Instead, he's winning over liberals/progressives like yourself. There's something inherently dishonest about that.
        I liked a lot of what Ralph Nader was saying in 2000, but I didn't vote for him.

        •  You are living in an alternate reality. (5+ / 0-)

          Not all republicans are neocons. Not all voters in the New Hampshire primary will be neocons. Ron Paul is making a play for the libertarians, George Will-ians, moderates, and independents that are in play.

          Wanna piss off a Neocon?

          by Common Cents on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 06:37:18 PM PDT

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          •  I am living in this reality (1+ / 0-)
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            You live in a fantasy world wherein you take politicians at face value. If you think Ron Paul is the real deal, you are the one in need of a reality check, not me.
            Ron Paul is making a play for whomever might vote Democratic next year. You don't get any 'George Will-ians' by appearing on Bill Maher. Get real.

            •  So "reality" is that all repubs are neocons? (3+ / 0-)
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              It is actually brilliant for Paul to attempt to tap into the disgruntled and ignored anti-war, fiscal conseravtives, independents, libertarians, and moderates that are seeking someone to support.

              Wanna piss off a Neocon?

              by Common Cents on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 06:50:04 PM PDT

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              •  Reality is... (1+ / 0-)
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                ...that you appeal to your base in the primary, then appeal to outside your base during the general election. That's the norm. That Ron Paul is using the Republican primary as a platform to set himself up for some independent run for president makes me suspicious.
                Reality is is that if Ron Paul is trying to appeal to those voters you mention, he shouldn't be doing it as a Republican.
                Reality is is that Republicans value party loyalty, so there is far more agreeance than disagreeance among their ranks. They aren't all neocons, but the vast majority of them have been playing along with George Bush like the loyal GOPers they are.
                Listen, it's your vote, so by all means vote for whomever best fits your own reality, even if it be Ron Paul. I just think you should weigh in the fact that the guy might be taking you and every other liberal/independent/progressive for a ride. I'd vote for Ron Paul to if I thought he was legit, but I don't think he's legit... I think he's purposefully trying to fuck with the Democratic base.
                If he does end up running as an independent and he does end up spoiling the race so that another Republican gets into the White House, isn't that a little too high of a price to pay? By the time you see Ron Paul for what he really is, it will be too late and we'll have for more years of a Republican in the White House. It simply isn't worth the risk. Voting for Ron Paul in 2008 could be just as disasterous as voting for Ralph Nader in 2000.

              •  some are theocons (1+ / 0-)
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                But the problem is not just those two groups. The problem is that conservative principles are bankrupt and what even so called moderate republicans and conservative Dems think is conservativism is really just authoritarian followers rooting for their team.

                The biggest threat to America is not communism, it's moving America toward a fascist theocracy... -- Frank Zappa

                by NCrefugee on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 07:01:07 PM PDT

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            •  He's Not That Stupid (3+ / 0-)
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              He's after the libertarians, of which there are many more in the Republican Party than in ours. Common Cents is correct about that, although he could give you the benefit of the doubt about what reality you're living in.

              Liberatianism splits the world into liberatarians and statists, not liberals and conservatives. "Statists" are people who believe in using the government to violate liberty. In the libertarian concept, it is immoral to initiate the use of force to get what you want. All transactions should be freely entered into. The state violates this principle because it uses force to collect taxes, thus forcing individuals into transactions they would not freely agree to.

              And the war in Iraq is a prime example. Our government is forcing you to pay taxes for a war that, based on the odds, you don't support. Is that morally defensible? If you are a Quaker, is it morally acceptable that you be forced to pay taxes so that George Bush can bomb and kill Iraqis in your name?

              That's why Ron Paul has such strong appeal to liberals in certain areas but not others. The problem is that he isn't logically consistent. He's more of a right-wing Republican than a libertarian. But he is not trying to land liberals to get elected, I'm absolutely sure. If anything, his libertarian leanings are genuine, I'd say.

              What he's doing is testing whether the Republican Party is ripe for a takeover by the libertarian element. This makes sense. Many Republicans are more libertarian than neocon. If he can cobble together a majority within the party by getting them to come out of the woodwork, he may get a sizable constituency. I wish him well because a Republican Party dominated by libertarians would be a lot less dangerous to the world and to us than one dominated by neocons or religio-cons.

              Try Libertarian Ideology in Dkosopedia or the Libertarian Party website for more information.

              The Disclaimer: BTW, I voted for Ron Paul in the 1988 election. I didn't do it on the basis of his conservative views, I did it because he was running as the candidate for the Libertarian Party. On balance, I think the Libertarian Party is a good thing because they are fierce defenders of Constitutional rights (Ron Paul being an obvious exception, now he's back to being a Republican). Since the Democratic Party has all but abandoned the Bill of Rights I think it's important to look to the LP and other additional parties for alternatives, although I'd far prefer to get Democrats to run who are willing to go out on a limb and defend Amendments 1 to 10.


              •  I think Ron Paul's problem, if elected, (0+ / 0-)

                is that he would be functionally equivalent to Jimmy Carter: an outsider who doesn't play by the usual political rules, and who is unable to compromise.  I respect his stands on constitutional issues (not on social issues), but I think like many libertarians he wouldn't be pragmatic in his approach.

        •  Ron Paul is a right-wing libertarian, (0+ / 0-)

          and has been very consistent in his views for many years.  He doesn't seem to "massage" his rhetoric to win votes, as you expect him to.  I agree with him on the general constitutional & war issues, but not at all on the social issues.

          Why should he try to win over the right-wingers?  He's running on what he sees are the issues.  I wish all of our candidates would do that.

      •  Honesty (9+ / 0-)

        Ron Paul would destroy Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid quicker than you can say, "Oh shit, it's my turn to empty grandma's colostomy bag!"

        He's that kind of "honest."  He honestly doesn't give a shit about people.  

        I wouldn't be surprised if FDR sprung from his grave just to bitch-slap you.

        •  Social Security is dead anyway. (0+ / 0-)

          If you are planning on retiring with Social Security you are fucked. If you think it will be around in any helpful form you are fucked. Paul didn't kill these services.

          Wanna piss off a Neocon?

          by Common Cents on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 06:51:55 PM PDT

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        •  Actually you're wrong (4+ / 0-)
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          He's against it in principle but acknowledges that we've spent generations teaching people to be dependent on government (individuals and businesses alike) and he said as recently as last night on the Daily Show that the welfare system does need to be changed but it's not in his list of top priorities. Because he knows it will take generations still to ween us off the government's tit while building something more suitable to fill its place.
    •  free state project (1+ / 0-)
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      libertarians are changing the face of NH by moving there

      This post brought to you by George Soros and the vast left wing conspiracy

      by VelvetElvis on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 07:58:26 PM PDT

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  •  I love Ron Paul (6+ / 0-)

    of course I would not vote for him, but he is intellectually consistent and is right on the Patriot Act and teh War issue.
     His domestic policies would be a disaster (I wonder if he would sell all the national forests/parks? I seem to recall one libertarian suggesting that to pay the national debt. He would undue the New Deal. But he is smart and consistent.

    •  Chemotherapy (5+ / 0-)

      Sometimes necessary despite the steep downsides. Which would be offset in large part by Congress, of course. It's an academic discussion but, looking ahead, worth having now. Not because Paul is going places but because his positive reception is not, despite what the diary presumes, entirely ignorant.

      The world is deep, And deeper than the day could read

      by NewDirection on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 07:20:48 PM PDT

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      •  Kudos. (5+ / 0-)

        If Democrats and progressives can't have a dialogue and be respectful of people who disagree what good are they? Ron Paul is someone that can be spoken with on issues. He can be worked with. He is honest and consistent. God forbid we work with people on the other side.

        Wanna piss off a Neocon?

        by Common Cents on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 07:24:02 PM PDT

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        •  Labels (3+ / 0-)
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          Mean little.

          People can carry on all they wish here about how they are dedicated lifelong Democrats and how they will bend over backwards for the party platform of a dozen or so top issues when, at the end of the day, only one or two truly interest them.

          Democrat? Progressive? I certainly care about people--In a practical, government-oriented fashion--more than libertarians seem to. But ultimately we all look at the parties, and at the candidates, and see a bunch of rhetoric and a bunch of actions and make our judgments about who should be "in power" based on that.

          The "pragmatic democrats" I've spoken and strategized with never get off the topic of "bread and butter issues" which, if you want to be honest about it, means buying votes. Of course if government is a service that people invest in, for their own interest primarily, then this is well and good. But it is also a cynical outlook and perhaps a self-fulfilling prophecy. Only one of the many places this can lead is people voting in order to see immigrants, Arabs, the poor, the smart and creative, the different, the disabled, whomever... get screwed. Another place it can lead is smart and even creative people allying themselves with those sadistic clods because their actual personal self interest is better served in that way.

          The world is deep, And deeper than the day could read

          by NewDirection on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 07:42:03 PM PDT

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          •  And Paul never said he was progressive. (8+ / 0-)

            He is honest. He is consistent.

            The man is easily not the typical person people on Kos support. That is true. But if you can't find common ground with people you disagree with you then you need to get out of politics. If you can only see black and white and think in those polarizing terms then you are frankly no better than the neocons spewing the same garbage on the other side.

            If a honest voter can't look at Ron Paul and respect his honest and consistency then I don't know what else to say. If you can't respect his courage of voting against the war while running for office in Texas of all places then in my opinion you are blinded by partisan politics to the point of being a goose stepper.

            Wanna piss off a Neocon?

            by Common Cents on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 08:34:00 PM PDT

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  •  thanks for the indepth analysis (0+ / 0-)

    and sorry you're sick of these diaries. :)

  •  If you like Ron Paul .... (11+ / 0-)

    you'll love the survivalist, David Duke Populist party running mate, Bo Gritz. Ron and Bo are really hard on Bush and the neocons and they are both favorites of ultra right wing hate speech radio like The Political Cesspool. If we're going to rally around Ron why don't we just go on up to Idaho and hang with the white supremacists militia types? They hate Bush, the Iraq War, and "The New World Order."

    And if you think there's much of a difference between the right wing bigots and Paul, you're just plain wrong.

    "Just imagine a work of such magnitude that it actually mirrors the whole world....In it all of nature finds a voice." Gustav Mahler on his 3rd Symphony

    by Mahler3 on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 06:32:19 PM PDT

  •  Ron Paul & Mike Gravel (5+ / 0-)

    would be the perfect third party ticket. Since one is from Texas and the other from Alaska, it could be the T n' A party.

    "I think you ought to know I'm feeling very depressed."   —Marvin, The Paranoid Android

    by londubh on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 06:34:56 PM PDT

  •  But Dude he was so good on the Daily Show (4+ / 0-)

    last night.  funny, articulate, and of course he takes positions we hate. He's a Republican, even good ones are going to make us angry.  however, we should be encouraging everyone who ID's with a conservative ideology to adopt the relatively principled stands of Paul, as opposed to the corrupt evil of the current R party

    Currently undecided between Edwards, Obama & Richardson

    by DoGooderLawyer on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 06:39:45 PM PDT

  •  Good work, Peter (0+ / 0-)

    You should post this somewhere in its entirety. See you around.

    "Lash those traitors and conservatives with the pen of gall and wormwood. Let them feel -- no temporising!" - Andrew Jackson to Francis Preston Blair, 1835

    by Ivan on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 06:40:51 PM PDT

  •  Thank You. (2+ / 0-)
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    phenry, dc 20005

    I'm quite sick of all the lefties fawning over this piece of crap. Even "left wing" media personalities like Ed Schultz have been pumping up progressive audiences regarding Paul. Apparently it's difficult to google his voting record before crowing about what a great guy he is, so here it is for those of you still standing in Paul's corner after reading this excellent analysis/scathing indictment:

    This is how complete douchebags vote.

    Paul's Appearences on Schultz' show.  Guest hosted by Norman Goldman.

    Remember people, when he says that he is "ONE OF THE MOST CONSERVATIVE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS," you best believe him!

  •  What strong religious institutions? (1+ / 0-)
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    "...The collectivist left" --that's you!-- "is threatened by strong religious institutions

    If the Religious Right was asking for cash subsidies, would Congressman Ron Paul (Don't want to abuse my own name) say that we oppose giving them welfare checks because they're strong? The RR isn't asking for money (yet); but in just about every other way, they want the government's thumb on the scale to favor them.

    Strong religious institutions don't need to confuse people about whether they should receive government endorsement because they know they can stand on their own feet. The instutions he wants to protect from the Left's scrutiny are those which can't make it on their own.

    Poster child for the "If I'm so Smart, Why Ain't I Rich" Syndrome.

    by Judge Moonbox on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 06:53:04 PM PDT

  •  The problem is... (3+ / 0-)

    For every starry eyed kossack who likes RP being against the war and is too lazy to google his lunacy, there are several million loony lefties and indies out there who know so little about the constitution, the political process and the history of the founding of this country, that they will contribute and possibly vote for him in this forced rush primary season in full blown ignorance mode.

    Millions will watch him in the debates and he will be sure not to expose his nuttier side.

    Keep these diaries coming and cross post them where ever you can.

    The biggest threat to America is not communism, it's moving America toward a fascist theocracy... -- Frank Zappa

    by NCrefugee on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 06:56:11 PM PDT

  •  This diary: further proof that (10+ / 0-)

    yellow-dog Democrats are scared of Ron Paul :)

    Yeah, I'm being a dick and not responding to the post, but the post is simply fearmongering so it's all good.

  •  We allied ourselves with Stalin during WWII (2+ / 0-)
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    rickpickett, onanyes

    and would never have been able to win it without him (and of course the 20 million citizens of the USSR who sacrificed their lives to beat Hitler). When it ended, so did our alliance with him. It served a necessary and important purpose during that time, and only during that time. I would suggest that our "alliance" with Paul is not that dissimilar.

    We want--we NEED--to end our involvement in this war, and anyone or anything that will help make that happen that would not be even worse than the war (and Paul is not that so long as we don't ally ourselves with him on anything else) is OK by me for this ONE purpose. It's not like we're strategically or ideologically embracing or aligning ourselves with Paul.

    This is a tactical alliance, not a strategic one, for the sole purpose of getting out of Iraq, and nothing more, and if it helps us do that, I have no problem with that. And when it's all over, we can shake hands (or not), and then become political adversaries (or enemies) once again. But right now, the war trumps almost everything else (and we can continue to oppose him on everything else all the while, as the two are not mutually exclusive).

    We can all walk and chew gum at the same time here, I hope.

    "There's no doubt in my mind that the dialogue here in Washington strengthens our democracy. Period." -- General Peter Pace, Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff

    by kovie on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 07:00:39 PM PDT

    •  Second tactical alliance point (0+ / 0-)

      He's anti-fascist.

      I think he's a valuable ally when trying to repeal the Military Commissions Act, repeal the PATRIOT Act, end warrantless wiretapping, etc.

      When we no longer have to worry about such things, then we can afford to disdain him.

      -5.63, -8.10 | Impeach, Convict, Remove & Bar from Office, Arrest, Indict, Convict, Imprison!

      by neroden on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 09:02:46 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  What "Life after conception" entails. (2+ / 0-)

    Abortion: Ron Paul's "libertarianism" famously does not extend to the right of a woman to control her body. In February he introduced H.R. 1094, "[t]o provide that human life shall be deemed to exist from conception."

    If abortion is murder, is aborting a rape-induced pregnancy the execution without trial of the ultimate underage defendant? If abortion is murder, aren't certain miscarriages criminally negligent homicides? If abortion is murder, shouldn't we prosecute the women who "put out a contract" on their fetuses? Deeming life to begin at conception opens up cans of worms that the public hasn't been exposed to because the "pro-lifers" have till now framed the issue as against "abortion on demand."

    Poster child for the "If I'm so Smart, Why Ain't I Rich" Syndrome.

    by Judge Moonbox on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 07:00:41 PM PDT

  •  We need to do this for Thompson and Giuliani (6+ / 0-)

    First of all...

    Amen to this diary about Ron Paul. You are RIGHT ON. However Ron Paul has no chance to win. We need to start attacking Fred Thompson. Every other candidate has major dirt on them except for Thompson. I'd say Thompson and Rudy are the biggest threats to democrats. Lets google bomb the fuck out of them

    •  Yes, particularly Giuliani (0+ / 0-)

      Out in the 'real world', there are Democrats who are considering voting for Giuliani.

      What the hell?  The man's a fascist who wants the police to break down your door whenever they feel like it.

      Can we have the "Rudy Giuliani hates you" diary now, please?

      -5.63, -8.10 | Impeach, Convict, Remove & Bar from Office, Arrest, Indict, Convict, Imprison!

      by neroden on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 09:05:12 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Frankly, I'm Surprised... (3+ / 0-)

    that anyone considered Ron Paul to other than a nice burr under the GOP's saddle. As a one-time card carrying Libertarian who pushed Ed Clark for President in 1980, I've known of Ron Paul for a long time. He is no progressive and never has been. His stance on the war is classic libertarian and the vast majority of his positions come from libertarian principles. But libertarianism suffers from the same general problem as does communism: it sounds good in theory but is almost certainly unworkable in the real world.

    Now I have been intrigued by Markos' concept of a "libertarian Democrat" but it unfortunately seems to get poo-pooed by all sides. I consider myself a pragmatic libertarian in that I attempt wherever possible to apply a libertarian approach, while understanding that some significant government involvement is necessary in creating an optimum society.

  •  At least he gets Iraq right (2+ / 0-)
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    Liberal Thinking, naltikriti

    I would never vote for Ron Paul, but I can at the very least admire his honesty when it comes to Iraq and terrorism.  

    -6.13 -6.15 There are lies, damn lies, accounting lies, statistical lies and Republican lies; nothing tops the GOP

    by ecostar on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 07:08:02 PM PDT

  •  Webpage re: failings of such nutty libertarianism (4+ / 0-)

    ... like the kind Ron Paul supports.  It's a nice summary of the logical result of following the Ayn Randian vision of Perfect unCommunism.

    What's wrong with libertarianism

    "The perfect liberty they seek is the liberty of making slaves of other people." -- Abraham Lincoln

    Just as hardcore communism ignores the individualistic aspect of human nature, hardcore libertarianism ignores the societal aspect of human nature.

    •  And all the while Americans become (3+ / 0-)
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      retired, rolandzebub, Quequeg

      debt and wage slaves under Neocon Republicans and Democrats.

      Truely, the failings are on our current politics and systems,which are entirely designed to feed banks and corporations.

      I feel sorry for people who honestly believe that the Democractic Party actually suppolies any degree of integrity today, or doesn't actually fail us everyday.

  •  1000 recommends, dude. (2+ / 0-)
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    hopscotch1997, SoniaS

    When I hear so-called liberals canonizing Paul (or for that matter, Chuck Hagel) because they're against the war, I think they're praising the next "maverick" McCain.

    What do Republicans and cockroaches have in common? -- Shine a light on them and see.

    by kismet on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 07:10:42 PM PDT

  •  paul maul (6+ / 0-)

    lots of rough language for an anti war pol who obviously has more guts and conviction than the dem house and senate leaders. i contributed to paul's campaign. i'll send him more too. he won the first debate and scared hell out of the repugs. obviously scared the hell out of some dems too. good man. keep up the good work dr. paul.

  •  Of course he sucks. (1+ / 0-)
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    But he sucks A LOT less than anyone else on that stage tonight.

    "There's no way I'm going to put myself through Sandhurst and then sit on my arse back home while my boys are out fighting for their country." Prince Harry

    by SpiderStumbled22 on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 07:13:43 PM PDT

  •  I want transformational change (4+ / 0-)
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    retired, Dr Seuss, Quequeg, Common Cents

    I'm 38 years old. I've voted for the lesser of two evils all my life. If democrats won't give us Edwards, after all these years of voting for corporate dems I don't even want in power who always lose anyways, I'm voting for change itself. I'll vote for Ron Paul or any independant who has the greatest chance of winning. I'm tired of having to go along with democratic candidates who care more about keeping up the status quo than anything else.

    •  I understand your frustration, (3+ / 0-)

      but I would ask you to ponder "status quo" a little more.  

      A progressive income tax is the status quo.  Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid is the status quo.  Such a thing as the minimum wage is the status quo.  Abortion rights are (tenuously) the status quo.  Affirmative action (in most places) is the status quo.  Regulation (albeit weak at this point) of corporations is the status quo.  

      I'm an Edwards supporter, too.  But I'll tell you this, I would sooner vote for Joe Lieberman before I would ever even consider voting for Ron Paul.

  •  I Seriously Doubt that Ron Paul Hates Me (10+ / 0-)

    Just as I seriously doubt that Hillary Clinton loves Osama or that all Democrats hate America.

    I know that you would agree that this sort of mindless demonization doesn't work for the Republicans, so why do you think it works for you?

  •  "libertarianism": last refuge of the scoundrel (6+ / 0-)

    Libertarianism is code for every man for himself. Yes, every man.
    And fuck everyone else.

    •  Sometimes . . . (1+ / 0-)
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      . . . it is code for stopping illegal wars, stopping torture, ending the drug war, getting the government out of the business of telling folks who to marry, ending corporate subsidies and things like that.

      Some say the last refuge of the scoundrel is to steal the freedoms and civil rights and liberties of his or her fellow citizens from behind a badge or an IRS desk.

      The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants. A. Camus

      by TastyCurry on Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 08:02:11 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  The DIARIST hates the TRUTH. (8+ / 0-)

    This awful, ugly, Diary is just pure propaganda folks against Congressmen Ron Paul.

    People can judge for themselves, folks, and disregrard this Diarist's trashy and misleading screed against Paul..

    Ron Paul is simply a strict U.S. Constitution-alist  regarding public policy
    and a social Liberterian.

    That is indeed a valid point of view to hold and it actually not that much different from pragmatic or common-sense Liberalism (significant overlap).

  •  What I find to be of interest with those that (2+ / 0-)
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    BenGoshi, hopscotch1997

    claim that a human life begins at conception, is that our government and legal system have already established that life begins at birth. Below find a list, in no way complete, of facts that back up my assertion:

    A fetus cannot be issued a passport;
    A fetus cannot be given a Social Security number;
    A fetus is not counted in the census;
    A fetus cannot be named as an heir;
    A fetus cannot be sued;
    A fetus cannot be insured;
    A fetus cannot be claimed as a dependent;

    What is common about this list of things is that every one of them, every single one, is an entitlement to someone that has been born.

    A fetus is not a person.

    17. Ne5

    In chess you may hit a man when he's down -- Irving Chernev, on Przepiorka v. Prokes, Budapest, 1929

    by Spud1 on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 07:50:10 PM PDT

    •  Now you've gone and done it! (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      phenry, Spud1

      You've given the Brownbacks ideas!


      The distinction that goes with mere office runs far ahead of the distinction that goes with actual achievement. H.L. Mencken

      by BenGoshi on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 08:39:44 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  That's ridiculous... (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Dr Seuss, naltikriti

    ...I saw him on the Daily Show. That guy doesn't hate anybody. I support him because he has more in common with progressives than any of he Republican candidates, because he is not really Republican (he's a libertarian) and because, although I would never vote for him, he is just feisty enough to pull votes away from Republicans if he gets a lot of attention, and runs as a third party candidate. So shut up and support Ron Paul. Thanks.

    "I am my brother's keeper. I am a Democrat." -- That's your slogan, Democrats.

    by Bensdad on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 07:55:28 PM PDT

  •  Lyndon LaRouche actually is closer (4+ / 0-)

    to Ron Paul's anti war views than Ron Paul is.  Why isn't anyone here supporting him?  He is for Cheney's Impeachment, has warned Bush about starting a world war, and many other admirable things.  So what if  some things he  stands for aren't good things, he's still antiwar.  Go ahead.  Look him up.  You might want to support him too if the objective is to fall in love with people who stand up against the war.

    "The Future's So Bright, I Gotta Wear Shades."--Pat MacDonald

    by hopscotch1997 on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 07:58:20 PM PDT

    •  Bingo - LaRouche is at least a "Democrat" (2+ / 0-)
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      phenry, hopscotch1997

      Both of them are crazy though.

      Trust me, never ever support any crazy republican from Texas.  Wasn't bush enough for you?  Don't trust me, fine.  How about Molly Ivins?

      "Next time I tell you someone from Texas should not be president of the United States, please pay attention."
      Molly Ivins

      Molly Ivins (bless her soul) warned the country many times about the nature of Texas politics - Texas is the bad public policy testing ground. We just went through another insane Legislative session where the TX Speaker of the House refused to recognize the House membership on a motion to vacate the chair.  That's right, the little bastard Tom Craddick thinks he's a dictator.

      I can just imagine what Molly would have to say about anyone's infatuation with that nut case Ron Paul.

    •  This is the goal: (0+ / 0-)

      To get through the thick skulls of Republican voters this fact:

      Most of the Republicans want to kill their children for no good reason.

      The Republican voters who haven't jumped ship yet simply aren't going to listen to Democrats.  They might listen to Ron Paul long enough to get this through their heads.  Any vote he can take away from one of the fascist candidates is a good thing.

      I agree anyone who seriously prefers him to the Democratic candidates is not really thinking straight.  I have seen a little of this on dKos (and it's fine for this diary to counteract it), but I see a lot more of the "He's better than the fascists" thinking, which is really unarguably correct.

      -5.63, -8.10 | Impeach, Convict, Remove & Bar from Office, Arrest, Indict, Convict, Imprison!

      by neroden on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 09:17:43 PM PDT

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    •  If Only I'd Believe in LaRouche . . . (0+ / 0-)

      I could float in air (sorry--recalling that LaRouche diary from earlier this year--making a big fine of how we so easily accept Newton's law of gravity :P)

  •  Paul's Voting Record (6+ / 0-)

    since so many of you still refuse to see that this man is NOT progressive.  His voting record speaks for itself.

    Abortion Issues
    (Back to top)
    Date Bill Title Vote
    12/06/2006 Abortion Pain Bill NV
    05/25/2005 Overseas Military Facilities Abortion Amendment N
    04/27/2005 Child Interstate Abortion Notification Act N
    10/02/2003 Prohibit Partial-Birth Abortion bill Y
    06/04/2003 Prohibit Partial-Birth Abortion bill Y
    07/20/2000 Abortion Funding Amendment N
    07/13/2000 Family Planning Assistance Funding amendment N
    06/22/2000 Prison Abortion Funding Amendment N
    05/18/2000 Oversea Military Abortions Amendment N
    04/05/2000 Partial Birth Abortion Act Y
    07/29/1999 Abortion Funding Amendment N
    06/30/1999 Child Custody Protection Act N
    06/09/1999 Overseas Military Abortion Amendment N
    06/08/1999 Prohibition of Chemically Induced Abortion Amendment Y
    10/08/1998 Contraceptive Amendment Y
    08/06/1998 Abortion Funding Amendment N
    07/23/1998 Partial-Birth Abortion bill Y
    07/15/1998 Child Custody Protection Act N
    06/24/1998 Chemical Inducement of Abortion Amendment Y
    05/20/1998 Abortion Private Funding Restoration Amendment N
    10/08/1997 Partial-Birth Abortion bill Y
    09/04/1997 International Family Planning amendment Y
    03/20/1997 Partial-Birth Abortion bill Y
    02/13/1997 Population Planning bill N

    Agriculture Issues
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    Date Bill Title Vote
    05/02/2002 Farm Security and Rural Investment Act of 2002 N
    10/05/2001 Agricultural Act of 2001 N
    06/08/1999 FY 2000 Agriculture Appropriations bill N
    06/04/1998 Agricultural Research bill N

    Animal Rights and Wildlife Issues
    (Back to top)
    Date Bill Title Vote
    09/07/2006 Horse Slaughter Prohibition bill N
    09/29/2005 Endangered Species Reauthorization bill NV
    09/29/2005 Endangered Species Amendment NV

    (Back to top)
    Date Bill Title Vote
    03/23/2007 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Bill of 2007 N
    09/29/2006 Department of Homeland Security Appropriations Act 2007 N
    09/26/2006 Department Defense Appropriations Act, FY 2007 N
    06/29/2006 Commerce Department Appropriations Bill FY 2006 N
    06/20/2006 Defense Department FY2007 Appropriations Bill N
    06/14/2006 Transportation, Treasury, Housing Appropriations Act N
    06/13/2006 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2006 N
    06/09/2006 Foreign Operations and Export Finance Appropriation Act N
    06/07/2006 Legislative Branch FY 2007 Appropriations Bill N
    06/06/2006 Department of Homeland Security Appropriation Act, 2007 N
    05/23/2006 Agriculture, Rural Development, FDA Appropriations Act N
    05/19/2006 Military Construction FY2007 Authorization bill Y
    05/18/2006 Interior Department FY2007 Appropriations bill N
    03/17/2006 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2006 N
    12/19/2005 Defense Department FY2006 Appropriations bill N
    12/14/2005 Labor, HHS, Education, FY 2006 Appropriations bill N
    11/17/2005 Labor, HHS, Education, FY 2006 Appropriations bill N
    11/09/2005 Energy and Water Appropriations bill FY 2006 NV
    11/09/2005 Commerce, Justice, Science, Appropriations Bill FY 2006 N
    11/04/2005 Foreign Operations FY 2006 Appropriations Bill N
    10/28/2005 Agriculture, Rural Development, FDA Appropriations Act N
    07/28/2005 Interior Department FY 2006 Appropriations Bill NV
    07/28/2005 Legislative Branch Appropriations Act, 2006 NV
    06/30/2005 Transportation, Treasury, HUD, Judiciary, Appropriation N
    06/28/2005 Foreign Operations FY 2006 Appropriations Bill N
    06/24/2005 Labor, HHS, Education, FY 2006 Appropriations bill N
    06/23/2005 Allows the Use of Funds for Annual Fit Test Amendment N
    06/23/2005 Restoring Funds For The CPB Y
    06/22/2005 Legislative Branch Appropriations Act, 2006 N
    06/20/2005 Defense Department FY2006 Appropriations bill N
    06/16/2005 Commerce, Justice, Science, Appropriations Bill FY 2006 N
    06/08/2005 Agriculture, Rural Development, FDA Appropriations Act N
    05/25/2005 Defense Department FY2006 Authorization bill N
    05/24/2005 Energy and Water Appropriations bill FY 2006 N
    05/19/2005 Interior Department FY 2006 Appropriations Bill N
    05/17/2005 Homeland Security Department FY 2006 Appropriations Act N
    05/05/2005 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2005 N
    03/16/2005 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2005 N
    09/22/2004 Transportation Department FY2005 Appropriations bill N
    09/09/2004 Appropriations bill FY2005, Labor, HHS, Education N
    07/22/2004 Defense Department FY2005 Appropriations bill NV
    07/15/2004 Omnibus FY2005 Appropriations bill N
    07/13/2004 Agriculture and Rural Development Appropriations bill N
    07/12/2004 Legislative Branch FY2005 Appropriations Bill N
    07/08/2004 Commerce Department FY2005 Appropriations Bill N
    06/25/2004 Appropriations bill 2005, Energy and Water Development NV
    06/23/2004 Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2005 N
    06/22/2004 Defense Department FY2005 Appropriations bill N
    06/18/2004 Homeland Security Department FY2005 Appropriations bill N
    06/17/2004 Interior Department FY2005 Appropriations bill N
    03/25/2004 Budget Appropriations, FY2005 resolution N
    11/20/2003 Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2004 N
    11/18/2003 Energy and Water Appropriations, FY 2004 bill N
    11/05/2003 Military Construction Appropriations Act, 2004 N
    10/30/2003 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act for Defense N
    10/30/2003 Interior Department Appropriations, FY 2004 bill N
    09/24/2003 Emergency Supplemental Appropriation, FY 2003 bill N
    09/24/2003 Homeland Security Appropriations, FY 2004 bill N
    09/24/2003 Terrorism Information Awareness bill N
    09/09/2003 Transportation, Treasury, and Independent Agencies Appr N
    07/25/2003 Emergency Appropriations for Disaster Relief Act,2003 N
    07/25/2003 Veterans Affairs and HUD Appropriations Act, 2004 N
    07/24/2003 Foreign Operations Appropriations, FY 2004 bill N
    07/23/2003 Departments of Commerce, Justice, and State, the Judici N
    07/18/2003 Energy and Water Appropriations, FY 2004 bill NV
    07/17/2003 Interior Department Appropriations, FY 2004 bill N
    07/14/2003 Agriculture, Rural Development, FDA N
    07/10/2003 Department of Labor, HHS, and Education Appropriations N
    07/09/2003 Emergency Supplemental Appropriation, FY 2003 bill N
    07/08/2003 Terrorism Information Awareness bill N
    06/26/2003 Fiscal 04 Military Construction Appropriation NV
    06/24/2003 Homeland Security Appropriations, FY 2004 bill N
    02/13/2003 Consolidated Appropriations Resolution, 2003 N
    10/10/2002 Department of Defense Appropriations, FY2003 bill N
    07/24/2002 Treasury & General Government Appropriations Act, 2002 N
    07/23/2002 Supplemental Appropriations, FY2002 bill N
    07/18/2002 Legislative Branch Appropriation, FY2003 bill N
    07/17/2002 Department of the Interior Appropriations Act, 2003 N
    06/27/2002 Department of Defense Appropriations, FY2003 bill N
    06/27/2002 Military Construction Appropriations Act FY2003 N
    05/24/2002 Supplemental Appropriations, FY2002 bill N
    12/19/2001 Foreign Operations FY2002 Appropriations bill N
    12/06/2001 District of Columbia FY2002 Appropriations bill N
    11/30/2001 Department of Transportation Appropriations Act, 2002 N
    11/14/2001 Appropriations bill FY2002, Commerce, Justice, State N
    11/13/2001 Agriculture FY2002 Appropriations bill N
    11/08/2001 Veterans Affairs and HUD Appropriations Act of 2002 N
    11/01/2001 Energy and Water Development Appropriations Act, 2002 N
    11/01/2001 Legislative Branch Appropriations Act, 2002 N
    10/31/2001 Treasury and General Government Appropriations Act 2002 N
    10/17/2001 Military Construction FY2002 Appropriations bill N
    10/17/2001 Interior Department Appropriations for FY 2002 N
    10/11/2001 Labor, HHS and Education Appropriations Act, 2002 N
    09/21/2001 Military Construction FY2002 Appropriations bill NV
    09/14/2001 2001 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations bill Y
    07/25/2001 Amendment to Treasury Appropriations Act, FY 2002 Y
    07/25/2001 Treasury and General Government Appropriations Act 2002 N
    07/20/2001 2001 Supplemental Appropriations Act N
    07/18/2001 Appropriations bill FY2002, Commerce, Justice, State N
    06/26/2001 Department of Transportation Appropriations Act, 2002 N
    10/25/2000 Foreign Operations FY 2001 Appropriations bill N
    07/20/2000 Treasury and General Goverment Appropriations Act, 2001 N
    07/13/2000 Foreign Operations FY 2001 Appropriations bill N
    03/30/2000 2000 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act N
    11/18/1999 District of Columbia FY2000 Appropriations bill N
    11/05/1999 Foreign Operations FY2000 Appropriations bill N
    11/03/1999 District of Columbia FY2000 Appropriations bill N
    10/28/1999 DC/Labor/HHS/Education FY 2000 Appropriations bill N
    10/21/1999 Interior Department FY2000 Appropriations bill N
    10/20/1999 Appropriations bill FY2000, Commerce, Justice, State N
    10/14/1999 Veterans Affairs and HUD Appropriations bill, FY 2000 N
    10/14/1999 District of Columbia Appropriations Act, FY 2000 NV
    10/13/1999 Defense Department Appropriations bill, FY2000 N
    10/05/1999 Foreign Operations FY2000 Appropriations bill NV
    10/01/1999 Transportation Department FY2000 Appropriations bill N
    10/01/1999 FY 2000 Agriculture Appropriations bill N
    09/27/1999 Energy FY2000 Appropriations bill N
    09/16/1999 Appropriations bill FY2000, Treasury, Postal Service N
    09/09/1999 District of Columbia FY2000 Appropriations bill N
    09/09/1999 Veterans Affairs and HUD Appropriations bill, FY 2000 N
    08/05/1999 Appropriations bill FY2000, Commerce, Justice, State N
    08/05/1999 Legislative Branch Appropriations Act, 2000 N
    08/03/1999 Foreign Operations FY2000 Appropriations bill N
    07/29/1999 District of Columbia FY2000 Appropriations bill N
    07/29/1999 Adoption Restriction Amendment Y
    07/29/1999 Military Construction FY2000 Appropriations bill N
    07/27/1999 Energy FY2000 Appropriations bill N
    07/22/1999 Defense Department Appropriations bill, FY2000 N
    07/15/1999 Appropriations bill FY2000, Treasury, Postal Service N
    07/14/1999 Interior Department FY2000 Appropriations bill N
    07/13/1999 Military Construction FY2000 Appropriations bill N
    06/23/1999 Transportation Department FY2000 Appropriations bill N
    05/18/1999 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations-Conference Report N
    05/06/1999 Kosovo Emergency Supplemental Appropriations bill N
    03/24/1999 Rescissions Removal Amendment N
    03/24/1999 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations--Passage N
    03/03/1999 Peace Corps Authorization Bill N
    10/20/1998 Appropriations bill FY99, Omnibus N
    10/07/1998 Intelligence FY99 Authorization bill N
    10/07/1998 Appropriations bill FY99, Treasury, Postal Service N
    10/06/1998 FY 1999 VA-HUD Appropriations N
    10/02/1998 Agriculture FY99 Appropriations bill N
    09/28/1998 Defense Department FY99 Appropriations bill N
    09/28/1998 FY1999 Energy Appropriations bill N
    09/24/1998 Defense Department FY99 Authorization bill N
    09/24/1998 Legislative Branch FY99 Appropriations bill N
    09/17/1998 Appropriations Bill FY99, Foreign Operations N
    08/07/1998 District of Columbia FY99 Appropriations bill N
    07/29/1998 Appropriations bill FY99, Veterans Affairs, HUD N
    07/23/1998 Interior Department FY99 Appropriations bill N
    07/16/1998 Appropriations bill FY99, Treasury, Postal Service N
    06/25/1998 Legislative Branch FY99 Appropriations bill N
    06/24/1998 Agriculture FY99 Appropriations bill N
    06/24/1998 Defense Department FY99 Appropriations bill N
    06/22/1998 Energy FY99 Appropriations bill N
    06/22/1998 Military Construction FY99 Appropriations bill N
    03/31/1998 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations bill N
    11/13/1997 Appropriations bill FY98, Commerce, Justice, and State N
    11/13/1997 Foreign Operations FY98 Appropriations bill N
    11/07/1997 Intelligence FY98 Authorization bill N
    11/07/1997 Appropriations bill FY98, Labor, HHS, Education N
    10/24/1997 Interior Department FY98 Appropriations bill N
    10/09/1997 District of Columbia FY98 Appropriations bill NV
    10/06/1997 Agriculture FY98 Appropriations bill N
    09/30/1997 Appropriations bill FY98, Commerce, Justice, and State N
    09/30/1997 Appropriations bill FY98, Treasury, Postal Service N
    09/25/1997 Defense Department FY98 Appropriations bill N
    09/24/1997 FY 1998 Legislative Branch Appropriations Bill N
    09/17/1997 Appropriations bill FY98, Treasury, Postal Service N
    09/04/1997 Foreign Operations FY98 Appropriations bill N
    07/29/1997 Defense Department FY98 Appropriations bill N
    07/28/1997 FY 1998 Legislative Branch Appropriations Bill N
    07/24/1997 Tobacco Crops Amendment Y
    07/24/1997 Agriculture FY98 Appropriations bill N
    07/15/1997 Interior Department FY98 Appropriations bill N
    06/12/1997 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations bill N
    06/05/1997 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations bill N
    05/15/1997 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations bill N

    Arts and Humanities
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    Date Bill Title Vote
    07/21/1998 National Endowment for the Arts Amendment N

    Budget, Spending and Taxes
    (Back to top)
    Date Bill Title Vote
    05/24/2007 House Amendment 2 to HR 2206 N
    05/24/2007 House Amendment 1 to HR 2206 N
    05/10/2007 Emergency Departmental Supplemental Appropriations Bill of 2007 N
    03/29/2007 Congressional Budget for 2008 N
    01/05/2007 Pay-As-You-Go Bill N
    07/29/2006 Death/Estate and Minimum Wage Bill of 2006 N
    06/22/2006 Line Item Veto bill N
    06/22/2006 Death/Estate Tax Amendment Y
    05/10/2006 Tax Reconciliation bill Y
    02/01/2006 Budget Reconciliation Adoption N
    12/19/2005 Budget Reconciliation bill N
    12/08/2005 Tax Relief Extension Reconciliation Act of 2005 Y
    11/18/2005 Budget Reconciliation Bill N
    04/28/2005 Budget FY2006 Appropriations Resolution NV
    04/13/2005 Death/Estate Tax Repeal Permanency Act of 2005 Y
    03/17/2005 Budget FY2006 Appropriations Resolution N
    10/07/2004 JOBS (Jumpstart Our Business Strength) NV
    09/23/2004 Increased Child Tax Credit bill Y
    05/20/2004 Child Credit Preservation and Expansion Act of 2004 Y
    05/05/2004 Middle-Class Alternative Minimum Tax Relief Act of 2004 Y
    04/28/2004 Marriage Penalty Tax bill Y
    01/28/2004 Farmer Bankruptcy bill Y
    10/16/2003 Iraqi Debt Forgiveness N
    09/17/2003 Charitable Contributions bill Y
    07/16/2003 State Department FY2004-2005 Authorizations bill N
    06/27/2003 Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2004 N
    06/19/2003 Taxpayer Protection and IRS Accountability Act of 2003 Y
    05/23/2003 Jobs and Economic Growth bill Y
    05/09/2003 Jobs and Economic Growth bill Y
    04/11/2003 Congressional Budget for fiscal year 2004 NV
    03/20/2002 Budget Resolution, FY 2003 N
    05/26/2001 Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act, 2001 Y
    05/16/2001 Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act, 2001 Y
    05/09/2001 Fiscal Year 2002 Budget Resolution N
    09/13/2000 Marriage Tax Relief Bill Y
    09/07/2000 Death/Estate Tax Elimination Act of 2000 Y
    07/20/2000 Marriage Tax Relief Bill Y
    06/09/2000 Death/Estate Tax Substitute Amendment N
    06/09/2000 Death/Estate Tax Elimination Act of 2000 Y
    05/10/2000 Internet Nondiscrimination Act N
    04/13/2000 Congressional Budget resolution FY 2001 N
    03/23/2000 Congressional Budget resolution FY 2001 N
    03/09/2000 Small Business Tax Fairness Act of 2000 Y
    02/10/2000 Marriage Penalty Tax bill Y
    08/05/1999 Financial Freedom Act of 1999 Y
    07/22/1999 Financial Freedom Act of 1999 Y
    06/10/1999 Legislative Branch Appropriations Act, 2000 N
    05/05/1999 Bankruptcy Reform bill Y
    04/14/1999 Congressional Budget Resolution, FY 2000 Y
    03/25/1999 Congressional Budget Resolution, FY 2000 NV
    10/09/1998 Bankruptcy Reform bill Y
    09/26/1998 Tax Cut bill Y
    06/17/1998 Tax Code Termination bill Y
    06/05/1998 Budget Resolution FY98 NV
    05/13/1998 Enhance Banking Flexibility Amendment Y
    05/13/1998 Financial Services Act of 1998 N
    04/30/1998 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations bill N
    04/22/1998 Tax Limitation Amendment Y
    07/31/1997 Budget Reconciliation Bill Y
    07/30/1997 Budget Reconciliation bill N
    06/26/1997 Budget Reconciliation Bill Y
    06/25/1997 Budget Reconciliation bill N
    06/05/1997 Budget Resolution FY1999-2000 N
    05/21/1997 Budget Resolution FY1999-2000 N
    03/12/1997 Balanced Budget Request resolution Y

    Business and Consumers
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    Date Bill Title Vote
    05/24/2007 House Amendment 1 to HR 2206 N
    05/10/2007 Emergency Departmental Supplemental Appropriations Bill of 2007 N
    05/02/2007 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Bill of 2007 with Iraq Withdrawal Timeline N
    04/25/2007 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Bill of 2007 with Iraq Withdrawal Timeline N
    09/21/2006 Appalachian Regional Development Act Amendments of 2006 N
    07/12/2006 Credit Rating Agency Duopoly Relief Act Y
    03/08/2006 National Uniformity for Food Act N
    07/26/2005 Small Employer Health Benefits Plan Amendment N
    04/14/2005 Bankruptcy Reform Bill Y
    04/02/2004 Pension Funding Equity Act of 2004 NV
    03/18/2004 Financial Services Regulatory Relief Act of 2004 Y
    06/19/2003 Small Business Health Fairness Act of 2003 Y
    09/26/2000 Small Business Superfund Exemption-Passage NV
    02/16/2000 Small Business Liability Reform bill N
    07/01/1999 Financial Modernization bill N

    Campaign Finance and Election Issues
    (Back to top)
    Date Bill Title Vote
    04/19/2007 District of Columbia House Voting Rights Act of 2007 N
    09/20/2006 Federal Election Integrity Act of 2006 Y
    07/13/2006 Voting Rights Act Reauthorization N
    04/05/2006 527 Reform Act of 2005 N
    10/10/2002 Help America Vote Act of 2002 N
    02/14/2002 Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2001 N
    06/28/2000 527 Organization Disclosure bill N
    09/14/1999 Campaign Finance Reform bill N
    08/06/1998 Federal Campaign Finance Amendment Y
    08/06/1998 Campaign Finance Reform bill N
    08/03/1998 Shays Amendment N
    07/30/1998 Voter Registration Amendment N
    07/20/1998 Noncitizen Campaign Contribution Amendment N
    07/20/1998 Labor Political Activity Amendment N
    07/16/1998 FY 1999 Treasury-Postal Approp - Increase FEC Funding N
    07/14/1998 Express Advocacy Amendment Y
    06/17/1998 Campaign Finance Reform Commission Amendment Y
    03/30/1998 Campaign Finance Reform bill N
    03/30/1998 Campaign Reporting and Disclosure Act of 1998 Y

    Civil Liberties
    (Back to top)
    Date Bill Title Vote
    06/22/2005 Flag Desecration Resolution N
    06/03/2003 Desecration of Flag resolution N
    07/17/2001 Flag Desecration resolution N
    06/24/1999 Flag Desecration Amendment N
    06/12/1997 Flag Desecration Constitutional Amendment N

    Civil Rights
    (Back to top)
    Date Bill Title Vote
    04/19/2007 District of Columbia House Voting Rights Act of 2007 N
    09/26/2006 Public Expression of Religion Act of 2006 Y

    Congressional Affairs
    (Back to top)
    Date Bill Title Vote
    04/19/2007 District of Columbia House Voting Rights Act of 2007 N
    09/26/2006 Motion to Resolve Into Secret Session N
    05/03/2006 527 Reform Act of 2006 N
    04/06/2006 Jack Abramoff Investigation Resolution NV
    09/15/2005 Bipartisan Committee to Investigate Hurricane Katrina Y
    06/02/2004 Special Elections/Appointments Provisions bill Y
    04/22/2004 Continuity in Representation Act of 2003 Y
    07/24/2002 Expulsion of Rep. James A. Traficant, Jr., D-Ohio NV
    06/04/1998 Religious Freedom Amendment bill N
    11/13/1997 Broadcast of Committee Witness bill N
    09/18/1997 House Ethics Reform Task Force Y
    02/12/1997 Term Limits resolution Y

    Crime Issues
    (Back to top)
    Date Bill Title Vote
    05/03/2007 Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2007 NV
    11/06/2003 Federal Prison Industries Competition in Contracting Ac NV
    04/26/2001 Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2001 N
    04/26/2001 Motherhood Protection Act (Substitue Amendendment) N
    09/30/1999 Substitute Amendment to Unborn Victims of Violence Act N
    09/30/1999 Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 1999 N
    06/17/1999 Juvenile Justice bill N
    09/15/1998 Juvenile Crime Control and Delinquency Prevention Act N
    02/25/1998 Death Sentence Amendment Y
    02/24/1998 Minimum Sentences for Gun Crimes bill N
    05/08/1997 Juvenile Crime bill N

    (Back to top)
    Date Bill Title Vote
    05/24/2007 House Amendment 2 to HR 2206 N
    05/24/2007 House Amendment 1 to HR 2206 N
    05/10/2007 Emergency Departmental Supplemental Appropriations Bill of 2007 N
    05/02/2007 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Bill of 2007 with Iraq Withdrawal Timeline N
    04/25/2007 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Bill of 2007 with Iraq Withdrawal Timeline N
    02/16/2007 Iraq War Policy resolution Y
    12/19/2005 Defense Department FY2006 Authorization bill N
    05/20/2004 Defense Department FY2005 Authorization bill N
    11/07/2003 Defense Department FY2004 Authorization bill NV
    07/16/2003 Project BioShield Act of 2003 N
    05/22/2003 Defense Department FY2004 Authorization bill N
    04/03/2003 Emergency Wartime Supplemental Appropriations Act,2003 N
    05/10/2002 National Defense Authorization Act for FY 2003 N
    12/13/2001 National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2002 N
    05/18/2000 School of the Americas Amendment Y
    06/10/1999 FY2000-2001 Defense Authorization bill N
    03/18/1999 National Missile Defense bill Y
    09/17/1998 US Army School of the Americas Amendment Y
    05/21/1998 Defense Department FY99 Authorization bill N
    02/05/1998 Line Item Veto Cancellation bill Y
    11/08/1997 Line Item Veto Cancellation bill Y
    10/28/1997 Defense Department FY98-99 Authorization bill N
    09/04/1997 Army School of the Americas amendment Y
    06/25/1997 Defense Department FY98-99 Authorization bill N
    06/24/1997 Bosnia Deployment Termination Amendment Y
    06/23/1997 Border Defense Personnel Amendment N
    06/23/1997 B-2 Bomber Program Termination Amendment Y
    06/23/1997 Bosnia Deployment Extension Substitute Amendment Y
    06/19/1997 Overseas Military Facilities Abortion Amendment N

    Drug Issues
    (Back to top)
    Date Bill Title Vote
    09/16/1998 Illegal Drug Amendment N
    08/06/1998 Illegal Drug Amendment Y
    04/29/1998 Needle Exchange Funding Ban Y
    09/11/1997 Needle Exchange Amendment Y

    (Back to top)
    Date Bill Title Vote
    01/17/2007 College Student Relief Act of 2007 Y
    03/30/2006 College Access and Opportunity Act of 2005 N
    03/30/2006 Reverse the Raid on Student Aid Amendment N
    07/25/2003 Head Start bill N
    07/09/2003 Student Loan Forgiveness for Teachers - Passage N
    07/09/2003 Ready to Teach Act of 2003 N
    04/30/2003 Individuals with Disabilities Education Improvement Act N
    12/13/2001 No Child Left Behind Act N
    05/23/2001 No Child Left Behind Act N
    06/13/2000 Higher Education Funding Amendment N
    10/21/1999 Education Funding for Disadvantaged Students-Passage N
    10/21/1999 Academic Achievement for All Act Y
    07/20/1999 Teacher Empowerment Act N
    04/21/1999 Education Flexibility Partnership Act of 1999 Y
    03/11/1999 High Needs District Amendment N
    03/10/1999 Student Performance Amendment N
    03/10/1999 Education Flexibility Partnership Act of 1999 Y
    08/06/1998 Low Income Educational Scholarship Amendment N
    06/18/1998 Education Savings Accounts bill N
    05/06/1998 Higher Education Programs Authorization Extension bill N
    04/30/1998 Washington, D.C. School Vouchers bill NV
    02/05/1998 National Student Testing bill Y
    11/07/1997 Charter School Expansion Act of 1998 N
    11/04/1997 HELP Scholarships bill Y
    10/23/1997 Education Savings Accounts bill N
    05/16/1997 Training Programs bill N

    Employment and Affirmative Action
    (Back to top)
    Date Bill Title Vote
    01/08/2003 Unemployment Benefits bill N

    Energy Issues
    (Back to top)
    Date Bill Title Vote
    05/22/2007 Preventing the Organization of Petroleum Export Groups Bill (NOPEC Act of 2007) N
    01/18/2007 Clean Energy Act of 2007 N
    05/18/2006 Outer Continental Shelf for Gas and Oil Amendment Y
    05/18/2006 Outer Continental Shelf Amendment N
    10/07/2005 Gasoline for America's Security Act of 2005 NV
    07/28/2005 Energy Policy Act of 2005 N
    04/21/2005 Energy Policy Act of 2005 N
    04/20/2005 Arctic National Wildlife Refuge Drilling Amendment N
    04/20/2005 Liability Shield Language Amendment N
    06/15/2004 Energy Omnibus bill N
    11/18/2003 Energy Omnibus bill N
    04/11/2003 Energy Omnibus bill NV
    08/02/2001 Securing America's Future Energy (SAFE) Act of 2001 N

    Environmental Issues
    (Back to top)
    Date Bill Title Vote
    09/25/2006 New Hampshire Wilderness Act N
    06/29/2006 Deep Ocean Energy Resources Act of 2006 Y
    11/21/2003 Healthy Forests Restoration Act of 2003 N
    11/20/2003 Flood Insurance Reform Act of 2003 N
    09/23/2003 Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians Land Exchange Act '02 Y
    05/20/2003 Healthy Forests Restoration Act of 2003 N
    08/01/2001 Securing America's Future Energy (SAFE) Act of 2001 N
    08/01/2001 Securing America's Future Energy (SAFE) Act of 2001 N
    06/21/2000 EPA Amendment N
    06/07/2000 San Rafael Swell Area Amendment Y
    06/07/2000 San Rafael Legacy District Motor Vehicle Amendment Y
    05/11/2000 Conservation and Reinvestment Act of 1999 N
    05/10/2000 Land Conservation-Land Acquisition Funding Y
    05/10/2000 Social Security and Medicare solvency amendment Y
    05/10/2000 Local government participation amendment Y
    03/22/2000 Nuclear Waste Policy Amendments Act N
    06/08/1999 Lethal Predator Funding Amendment Y
    03/27/1998 Road Construction Amendment N
    03/27/1998 Forest Recovery and Protection bill N
    10/30/1997 Nuclear Waste Disposal bill N
    10/22/1997 Private Property Rights bill Y
    05/07/1997 Endangered Species Act Exemption Amendment N

    Executive Branch
    (Back to top)
    Date Bill Title Vote
    12/19/1998 Impeachment Resolution: Article One Y
    12/19/1998 Impeachment Resolution: Article Two Y
    12/19/1998 Impeachment Resolution: Article Three Y
    12/19/1998 Impeachment Resolution: Article Four Y
    01/21/1997 In the matter of Representative Newt Gingrich Y

    Family and Children Issues
    (Back to top)
    Date Bill Title Vote
    09/26/2006 Child Interstate Abortion Notification Act N
    04/10/2003 Enhance AMBER Alert bill N
    08/06/1998 Adoption Amendment Y
    09/09/1997 Family Planning Parental Notification Amendment N

    Foreign Aid and Policy Issues
    (Back to top)
    Date Bill Title Vote
    05/24/2007 House Amendment 2 to HR 2206 N
    05/24/2007 House Amendment 1 to HR 2206 N
    05/22/2007 Preventing the Organization of Petroleum Export Groups Bill (NOPEC Act of 2007) N
    05/10/2007 Emergency Departmental Supplemental Appropriations Bill of 2007 N
    07/26/2006 U.S.and India Nuclear Cooperation Act of 2006 N
    06/16/2006 Global War on Terror N
    07/20/2005 State Department FY 2006/2007 Authorization Bill N
    07/14/2005 East Asia Security Act of 2005 N
    06/17/2005 United Nations Reform Act of 2005 N
    06/15/2005 Bans Use of Funds to Enforce Cuba Regulations Amendment Y
    03/17/2004 War in Iraq Anniversary resolution N
    10/16/2003 Iraq's Reconstruction Resolution N
    07/13/2000 Debt Relief Funding amendment N
    07/13/2000 HIV/AIDS Funding amendment Y
    05/17/2000 Continued Deployment of Forces in Kosovo Amendment Y
    02/01/2000 Taiwan Security Enhancement Act N
    04/28/1999 Military Operations in Yugoslavia Limitation Act Y
    04/28/1999 Withdrawal of U.S. Troops from the Balkans resolution Y
    04/28/1999 Kosovo Resolution N
    03/11/1999 Kosovo Peacekeeping Operations resolution N
    10/05/1998 Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998 N
    06/04/1998 Tiananmen Square Resolution Y
    05/14/1998 Religious Persecution Freedom bill N
    03/18/1998 Bosnia and Herzegovina U.S. Troop Removal bill Y
    03/17/1998 Human Rights in China Y
    11/13/1997 Iraq War Crimes Tribunal - Passage N
    11/07/1997 PLA Monitoring bill N
    11/06/1997 U.S.-Taiwan Missile Defense Cooperation bill N
    11/05/1997 China Political Freedom bill N
    07/22/1997 Resolution Regarding the Republic of Congo N
    06/04/1997 U.S. Withdrawal from the U.N. Amendment Y

    Gender Issues
    (Back to top)
    Date Bill Title Vote
    05/03/2007 Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2007 NV

    Government Reform
    (Back to top)
    Date Bill Title Vote
    02/25/2004 GAO Human Capital Reform Act of 2004 N
    07/26/2002 Homeland Security Act of 2002 N
    10/05/1998 Indian Federal Recognition Administrative Procedures N

    Gun Issues
    (Back to top)
    Date Bill Title Vote
    06/28/2006 Trigger Lock Amendment Y
    01/16/2006 Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives Y
    10/20/2005 Firearms Manufacturers Protection bill N
    04/09/2003 Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act N
    06/18/1999 72 Hour Background Check Amendment N
    06/18/1999 24 Hour Background Check Amendment Y
    06/18/1999 Mandatory Gun Show Background Check Act N

    Health Issues
    (Back to top)
    Date Bill Title Vote
    01/12/2007 Medicare Prescription Drug Price Negotiation Act Y
    07/28/2005 Malpractice Liability Reform Bill NV
    07/19/2005 Obstetric Fistula Amendment N
    07/12/2005 Independent Review of OSHA Act of 2005 N
    05/12/2004 Small Business Health Fairness Act of 2004 Y
    03/25/2004 Medical Malpractice Liability Limitation bill N
    03/24/2004 Child Nutrition Improvement and Integrity Act N
    07/25/2003 Imports of Prescription Drugs bill Y
    07/16/2003 Vaccine Compensation bill N
    06/27/2003 Medicare Prescription Drug bill N
    05/01/2003 AIDS Assistance bill N
    03/31/2003 Vaccine Compensation bill N
    06/28/2002 Medicare Modernization and Prescription Drug Act NV
    08/02/2001 Amendment to the Bipartisan Patient Protection Act NV
    08/02/2001 Bipartisan Patient Protection Act NV
    06/28/2000 Medicare Rx bill N
    10/27/1999 Pain Relief Promotion Act of 1999 N
    10/07/1999 Patient Protection Substitute Amendment N
    10/07/1999 Patient Protection bill N
    10/06/1999 Patients' Bill of Rights bill Y
    07/24/1998 Patients' Bill of Rights Act Amendment N
    07/24/1998 Patient Protection bill N
    07/16/1998 Federal Health Plan Contraceptive Coverage Amendment N
    04/10/1997 Assisted Suicide Bill Y

    Housing and Property Issues
    (Back to top)
    Date Bill Title Vote
    09/29/2006 Private Property Rights Implementation Act of 2006 Y
    06/30/2005 Eminent Domain Amdendment Y
    05/14/1997 Public Housing bill N

    (Back to top)
    Date Bill Title Vote
    09/21/2006 Immigration Law Enforcement Act of 2006 Y
    09/14/2006 Secure Fence Act of 2006 Y
    12/16/2005 Border Security bill Y
    02/10/2005 Real ID Act of 2005 N
    05/18/2004 Undocumented Immigrant Emergency Medical Assistance Y
    09/24/1998 Nonimmigrant Specialty Workers bill Y
    09/29/1997 Continuing Appropriations N

    (Back to top)
    Date Bill Title Vote
    05/24/2007 House Amendment 1 to HR 2206 N
    05/10/2007 Emergency Departmental Supplemental Appropriations Bill of 2007 N
    05/02/2007 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Bill of 2007 with Iraq Withdrawal Timeline N
    04/25/2007 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Bill of 2007 with Iraq Withdrawal Timeline N
    03/01/2007 Union Organization Bill N
    01/10/2007 Minimum Wage Increase N
    07/28/2006 Pension Reform Bill N
    03/07/2001 Ergonomics Regulations Resolution Y
    06/08/2000 OSHA Ergonomic Protection Amendment N
    03/09/2000 Minimum Wage Increase-Two Year Raise N
    03/09/2000 Minimum Wage Increase bill N
    03/26/1998 Small Business and Employee Fairness bill Y
    03/19/1997 Comp Time bill Y

    Legal Issues
    (Back to top)
    Date Bill Title Vote
    05/22/2007 Preventing the Organization of Petroleum Export Groups Bill (NOPEC Act of 2007) N
    05/03/2007 Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2007 NV
    09/26/2006 Private Property Rights Implementation Act of 2005 Y
    07/19/2006 Pledge Protection Act of 2006 Y
    10/27/2005 Lawsuit Abuse Reduction Act of 2005 Y
    10/19/2005 Cheeseburger bill N
    03/21/2005 Terri Schiavo Incapacitated Persons Protection Bill NV
    02/17/2005 Class Action Fairness Act of 2005 Y
    09/23/2004 Pledge of Allegiance Protection bill Y
    09/14/2004 Lawsuit Abuse Reduction Act of 2004 Y
    03/10/2004 Obesity Lawsuits bill N
    02/26/2004 Unborn Victims of Violence Act 2004 N
    03/13/2003 Malpractice Liability bill N
    10/13/1998 Securities Litigation bill N
    03/04/1998 Puerto Rico Political Status bill N

    Military Issues
    (Back to top)
    Date Bill Title Vote
    05/24/2007 House Amendment 2 to HR 2206 N
    05/24/2007 House Amendment 1 to HR 2206 N
    05/10/2007 Emergency Departmental Supplemental Appropriations Bill of 2007 N
    05/02/2007 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Bill of 2007 with Iraq Withdrawal Timeline N
    04/25/2007 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Bill of 2007 with Iraq Withdrawal Timeline N
    09/29/2006 Military Commissions Act of 2006 N
    09/27/2006 Military Commissions Act of 2006 N
    05/06/2004 Condemning Iraq Abuse of Prisoners resolution N
    10/10/2002 Use of Military Force Against Iraq N

    National Security Issues
    (Back to top)
    Date Bill Title Vote
    01/09/2007 Implementing the 9/11 Commission Recommendation Act N
    09/28/2006 Electronic Surveillance Modernization Act N
    06/29/2006 Intelligence and Law Enforcement Resolution N
    03/07/2006 PATRIOT Act Reauthorization bill N
    12/14/2005 USA PATRIOT and Terrorism Prevention Reauthorization Ac N
    07/21/2005 USA PATRIOT & Terrorism Prevention Reauthorization Act N
    06/15/2005 Patriot Act Amendment - Library Records Y
    05/18/2005 Homeland Security Department Authorization Act FY06 N
    10/08/2004 9/11 Recommendations Implementation Act NV
    10/24/2001 USA Patriot Act of 2001 N
    10/12/2001 Anti-Terrorism Act of 2001 N
    09/14/2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force Y

    Regulatory Issues
    (Back to top)
    Date Bill Title Vote
    09/13/2006 Restricting Indian Gaming to Homelands of Tribes Act N
    03/03/2004 US Patent and Trademark Fee Modernization Act, 2004 N

    Science and Medical Research
    (Back to top)
    Date Bill Title Vote
    03/14/2007 Whistleblower Protection Enhancement Act of 2007 Y
    01/11/2007 Stem Cell Research Act of 2007 N
    07/27/2006 Better Health Information Systems Act of 2006 N
    07/19/2006 Stem Cell Research Bill N
    07/18/2006 Alternative Stem Cell Therapies Act N
    07/22/2005 Advanced Research Opportunities Amendment N
    05/24/2005 Stem Cell Research Bill of 2005 N
    03/03/2003 Prohibition on Human Cloning - Passage N
    02/27/2003 Cloning of Humans bill N

    Senior and Social Security Issues
    (Back to top)
    Date Bill Title Vote
    04/02/2003 Social Security Protection Act of 2003 N
    07/27/2000 Social Security Benefits Tax Relief - Substitute Amdt. N
    07/27/2000 Social Security Benefits Tax Relief bill Y
    03/01/2000 Social Security Earnings Cap Y
    05/26/1999 Social Security Lock Box bill Y
    09/25/1998 Save Social Security Act Amendment N
    09/25/1998 Social Security Account Protection bill Y

    Social Issues
    (Back to top)
    Date Bill Title Vote
    05/03/2007 Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2007 NV
    07/18/2006 Same Sex Marriage Resolution N
    09/23/2003 Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians Land Exchange Act Y
    07/31/2001 Human Cloning Prohibition Act of 2001 Substitute Amend. N
    07/31/2001 Human Cloning Prohibition Act of 2001 N
    07/19/2001 Community Solutions Act of 2001 N
    07/19/2001 Community Solutions Act of 2001 N
    09/09/1999 Puerto Rican Nationals resolution Y
    07/15/1999 Religious Liberty Protection Act of 1999 N
    06/29/1999 National Day of Prayer Resolution N
    06/17/1999 Ten Commandments Amendment Y
    03/05/1997 Display of the Ten Commandments Y

    Technology and Communication
    (Back to top)
    Date Bill Title Vote
    07/11/2006 Online Gambling Ban Amendment N
    06/11/2006 Internet Gambling Bill N
    06/08/2006 COPE Bill of 2006 N
    11/02/2005 Online Freedom of Speech Act Y
    03/11/2004 FCC Indecency Penalties bill N
    11/22/2003 Reduction of SPAM bill N
    09/25/2003 Do-Not-Call-Registry bill N
    06/10/2003 Unlawful Internet Gambling Funding Prohibition Act N
    09/08/1999 International Space Station Funding Amendment Y
    05/19/1999 NASA Authorization bill N

    Trade Issues
    (Back to top)
    Date Bill Title Vote
    07/20/2006 U.S.-Oman Free Trade Agreement N
    07/28/2005 CAFTA Implementation Bill N
    06/09/2005 Withdrawing Approval from the WTO Agreement Y
    06/27/2003 U.S.-Chile Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act N
    06/27/2003 U.S.-Singapore Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act N
    07/27/2002 Trade Act of 2002 N
    12/06/2001 Fast Track Trade Authority bill N
    07/19/2001 China Trade Relations bill N
    07/20/2000 Cuban Economic Embargo Amendment Y
    07/20/2000 Cuban Travel Embargo Amendment Y
    06/21/2000 WTO Withdrawal resolution Y
    05/24/2000 U.S.-China Relations Act of 2000 N
    05/04/2000 Africa Free Trade bill N
    08/03/1999 Economic Assistance to Vietnam Y
    07/27/1999 China Trade resolution N
    03/17/1999 Steel Import Limitation bill N
    09/25/1998 Reciprocal Trade Agreement Bill N
    07/30/1998 Vietnam Trade Waiver Disapproval resolution Y
    07/22/1998 Disapproval of 'Normal Trade Relations' Status w/ China N
    03/11/1998 African Growth bill N
    11/04/1997 United States-Caribbean Trade Partnership Act N
    06/24/1997 China Most-Favored-Nation resolution N

    Transportation Issues
    (Back to top)
    Date Bill Title Vote
    07/29/2005 Transportation Equity Act: A Legacy for Users NV
    03/10/2005 Transportation Equity Act: A Legacy for Users N
    04/28/2004 Highway Trust Fund Programs Extension bill Y
    04/02/2004 Highway Trust Fund bill N
    10/30/2003 Aviation Administration FY2004-2006 Authorization bill N
    07/10/2002 Arming Pilots Against Terrorism Act Y
    11/16/2001 Federalize Aviation Security bill N
    09/21/2001 Airline Industry Financial Assistance bill N
    06/15/1999 FAA Reauthorization bill N
    05/22/1998 Transportation Reauthorization bill N
    04/01/1998 Disadvantaged Business Enterprise Program Amendment Y
    04/01/1998 Transportation Reauthorization bill N

    Veterans Issues
    (Back to top)
    Date Bill Title Vote
    11/21/2003 Department of Veterans Affairs Improvement Act of 2003 Y
    10/08/2003 Veterans Benefits Act of 2003 Y
    09/21/1999 Veterans' Millennium Health Care Act NV

    Welfare and Poverty
    (Back to top)
    Date Bill Title Vote
    06/11/2003 Welfare Reform bill N
    02/13/2003 Welfare Reform bill N
    05/16/2002 Personal Responsibility, Work and Family Protection Act N

    Vote Key
    Not Voting, Excused, Absent, or Present
    Pair Yea
    Pair Nay

    •  Better than the other 'thugs. (1+ / 0-)
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      Seriously, what are you trying to prove here?  Of course he's not a progressive.  He votes against every appropriations bill, pretty much.  He's clearly a racist and a sexist.

      But he doesn't believe in kidnapping innocent people, locking them up forever, and torturing them.  He also doesn't believe in "preemptive war".

      Right now, that makes him our ally, because every other Republican candidate clearly supports all of that.

      -5.63, -8.10 | Impeach, Convict, Remove & Bar from Office, Arrest, Indict, Convict, Imprison!

      by neroden on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 09:09:36 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  he also voted against the patriot act, (1+ / 0-)
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      against real ID, is against mandatory national service, and is anti war.

      on the big issues he comes out ahead of Clinton or Edwards almost all the time.

      and he could win.  Rep primaries are winner take all, and with 10 pro-war, 1 anti war anything could happen

  •  There was a time (2+ / 0-)
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    Ideas were free and exchanged to come to a more
    perfect consensus, sort of like
    free speach and democracy.

    I getting to hate the fascists on this site.

  •  Thanks so much (1+ / 0-)
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    All of that so needed to be said. That it was said so authoritatively, respectfully, and exhaustively was icing on the cake. Kudos on a great diary.

  •  Ron the Freak (0+ / 0-)

    Why all this worry, these words, about Ron Paul? For kos he is merely a symbol, often vague and out of focus. Many here will go for anything eccentric, and nobody is more
    so than Rep. Paul.  Relax, he is going nowhere at the national level and I rather imagine he represents the people of his Texas dist. very well --not my favorite state. How can anyone take his national candidacy seriously? Don't!!!

    •  Ron the Thinker (0+ / 0-)

      I agree, why worry?  Seems to me the vast majority of people think he is really just a joke taking a principle to some sort of extreme.  At best, he makes people think about how using absolutes you get some funny results.  At worst, he makes people think it simplifies your life to have absolutes.

      I enjoy hearing him.  He makes you think and helps me clarify in my mind how I get to my positions.

  •  Paul: Communications skills count (4+ / 0-)
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    Paul is certainly not a progressive and is not pretending to be one. He is what he is.

    But he, like Pat Buchanan, Mike Gravel and Dennis Kucinich, has attracted a fair amount of support just be speaking this mind and doing what he can to, in his mind, speak truth to power and do what he thinks is right.

    I happen to disagree with Paul and Buchanan, but I wish people like Hillary Clinton would watch their videos and read their speeches and learn something about how to convey sincerity.

    •  "how to convey sincerity" (0+ / 0-)

      uh, if you were actually sincere, wouldn't that be conveyed?  That's the problem with triangulators--we can see them, hear them, smell them.

      "The Universe is change; our life is what our thoughts make it." Marcus Aurelius "I'm a gun carrying member of the ACLU" me

      by Mosquito Pilot on Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 03:53:33 AM PDT

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  •  Molly Ivins (God bless her soul) called Ron Paul (3+ / 0-)
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    Congressman Clueless and a Libertarian crackpot! (From a column back in 1996)

     A Texan Manifesto Joe says It's Scary When Ron Paul Comes Across As The Sanest GOP Candidate...

    "We have to have a deep, patient compassion for the fears of men and irrational mania of those who hate or condemn us." Thomas Merton

    by AbsurdEyes on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 08:19:57 PM PDT

  •  Oh come on - how could Paul hate this? (0+ / 0-)
    How could even Ron Paul hate something like this?
  •  Ron Paul doesn't hate me (10+ / 0-)

    And even after your batch of crap here, he doesn't hate you either.

    Disapprove of his politics and you've got a debate.

    Claim Ron Paul hates "us" and you've got an idiot spitting into the wind.

  •  I don't get the point of this diary (13+ / 0-)

    OK, so Ron Paul is a conservative...duh...if he was  a progressive-type, dontcha think he might have become a democrat by now?  I think it's refreshing to see a conservative who actually believes in it, as opposed the Bush-Gingrich-Delay fascist types...
    if that means he doesn't agree with me on all or even most issues, so be it...doesn't mean he HATES me or that I should hate him...

    the ball is round, the game last 90 minutes. Everything else is theory.

    by Dont Tread on Me on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 08:29:52 PM PDT

    •  good point (6+ / 0-)

      the title and main hypothesis (that paul hates us) is just silly get-you-to-open-and-read-my-diary BS

      i know this because i've done it before

      and to everyone else that may read this:
      This diary seems to be spot on some things, but on others doesn't go into the nuances of some votes on some bills

      think about this hypothetical:
      Would you vote for the 'saving babies of 2007 act' if it had unconstitutional sections?

      None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. Goethe
      Heathbar's Crunch

      by Dr Seuss on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 08:43:58 PM PDT

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      •  Don't confuse the haters (0+ / 0-)

        Republicans = always bad

        Democrats = always good

        Disagree and you're a racist misogynist. Now shut up and get back in line.

        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." -- Groucho Marx

        by rolandzebub on Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 09:38:52 AM PDT

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  •  Ron Paul's position on Iraq is clear as day. (12+ / 0-)

    There is no obfuscation in it.  No pandering.  

    No "Oh, we can't just stand by and let them kill each other!"  

    No "Oh we broke it we bought it!"  

    No "It's all George Bush's fault so it doesn't matter how I vote!"  

    No "George Bush tricked me into voting for the war!  Darn that wily George!"

    No "We have to continue this war so we can show support for our future dead troops!"

    So all those other things that I may or may not like about Ron Paul aside, on the single biggest issue of the day, he is more clear and distinct than the leading voice of the Democratic Party today, and more clear and distinct than our Democratic leadership in Congress.

    Instead of venting anger at Ron Paul, a guy who has no chance of ever winning an election outside his home town, why don't we focus on the problem within our own camp?  

    Really, I'm afraid that two years from now, we may win the White House but be sitting watching a Democratic president on TV telling us why it's just too difficult to leave Iraq "right now," so we have to wait for some Hail Mary pass.  I feel so betrayed that I don't really care about the small shit anymore enough to argue about it.

    Yeah, Ron Paul is not my first, second, third, or fourth choice.  But I would still rather have him than many of the weak panderers that control the party machinery right now.

    •  I understand your frustration. (4+ / 0-)
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      He doesn't bullshit about the war and so few Democrats can make that claim. This is one reason why he is attacked. People feel threatened that there is a Republican doing the anti-war thing better.

      Wanna piss off a Neocon?

      by Common Cents on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 08:42:14 PM PDT

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    •  Most reasoned comment here (2+ / 0-)
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      It is time to be more critical of the democratic candidates on the exact issue and stance that makes Ron Paul appealing across party bounds; reality based foreign policy, cessation of the war on terror, and the restoration of the constitution.

      Spinning words around "hate" is bad form. It is an emotional vehicle that critiques a political philosophy based on individual rights, by very suspect methodology, to engage in FEAR of what might be hypothetically lost and to distract from what might be actually gained by listening to his rationale for diplomacy.

      We have to provide our politicians with a moral imperative based on a logical policy to address the imperialistic/militaristic methodology of the executive, defense and state departments and Ron Paul is the only one laying the ground work for such a shift in policy to be discussed on the republican side, despite the best efforts of the media. If the benefit of this apsect is lost, let the idiocracy commence.

      End the hate.

    •  Well, that's one way of putting it (1+ / 0-)
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      > No "Oh, we can't just stand by and let them kill each other!"

      No consideration whatsoever for the welfare of the Iraqi people.  

      > No "Oh we broke it we bought it!"

      No acknowledgment of the damage Bush's idiocy has done to Iraq or to the region.
      No willingness to attempt to repair that damage.

      > No "It's all George Bush's fault so it doesn't matter how I vote!"
      > No "George Bush tricked me into voting for the war!  Darn that wily George!"

      No accountability for the man who lied us into this war or the party which made it a fait accompli.

      You say "clear as day"; I say "dangerously simplistic."

  •  none of it matters (3+ / 0-)
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    Ron Paul is braver and more lucid than the leading Dems on the war.

    We must fight the Neocon War Party regardless of whether it's democratic or republican, red or blue.  And we must do it through whatever ideological twists and turns it takes.  There is no more choice but to accept strong and succinct arguments against blood-soaked war from all sides.

    Ron Paul seems to have the best and most honest historical perspective on the history of the Neocons.  He helps Americans to understand how we got to this point, and how far back it goes.  I find it eye-opening.

  •  Ron Paul (1+ / 0-)
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    is just another example of why it pisses me off when people here occasionally praise libertarianism. You're not a libertarian if you favor government spending on social programs. A libertarian running for public office is an oxymoron. What's next, an atheist running for Pope? Because that's what libertarianism is. It's a gigantic contradiction shrouded in fallacious arguments.

    This is why I wish smart people like Bill Maher would stop calling themselves libertarians.

    Serenity now, insanity later.

    by chicagovigilante on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 09:21:09 PM PDT

    •  Heard of European libertarianism? (1+ / 0-)
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      Do a little research on it.  It amounts to a form of anarchism.

      And yes, there are plenty of anarchists on the Left who think that government spending on social programs is a reasonable temporary measure until we can replace the government with something less... government-like.

      -5.63, -8.10 | Impeach, Convict, Remove & Bar from Office, Arrest, Indict, Convict, Imprison!

      by neroden on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 09:35:56 PM PDT

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      •  I hate it when people advocate (2+ / 0-)
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        replace the government with something less... government-like.

        You mean a power structure not controlled by the general public? That has led to most of the problems we face in this country. Take away a citizen-controlled authority and you're left with a few bullies taking advantage of the little guy. That's why a socially-conscious government is and always will be necessary. Unless, of course, you can correct the human flaw of greed.

        Serenity now, insanity later.

        by chicagovigilante on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 09:46:42 PM PDT

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        •  You don't know much about anarchism, do you (1+ / 0-)
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          You mean a power structure not controlled by the general public?

          Absolutely not.  Do some research on anarchism please: the whole point is to have as little "power structure" as possible.  The "bully problem" is the fundamental problem of anarchism, of course, and it may be unsolvable.  Anarchists (of which I am not really one) believe that the major institutions of government (police, army, etc.) -- which historically evolved from the power wielded by bullies -- are unsuitable for a free society, and that we need to try something else.  Most of the radical alternatives suggested have either failed or never been tried.

          Some of the alternatives to government suggested by anarchists are extremely socialist, actually.

          -5.63, -8.10 | Impeach, Convict, Remove & Bar from Office, Arrest, Indict, Convict, Imprison!

          by neroden on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 10:09:14 PM PDT

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    •  Look a Little Deeper (0+ / 0-)

      I love that about an atheist running for Pope. It does remind me of libertarians I know!

      However, you don't need to get pissed off if you understand it in principle and not just by looking through the prism of the so-called libertarians you see. Ron Paul is not a libertarian any more than George Bush is a conservative. Ron Paul has some libertarian leanings. That's it. As near as I can tell he's radically right-wing and only incidentally libertarian.

      Basically, true libertarians believe that it is immoral to initiate the use of force to get what you want. In the purist world of the true libertarian all social intercourse should be voluntary. Taken for what it is, it's a sound moral principle.

      Example: Is it okay for you that the government takes money from you using the threat of force (jail time, backed up by armed capture and possibly lethal force if you refuse) and uses it to fight wars in Iraq that are apparently unnecessary, causing enormous damage in a war that may have been started illegally? Is it okay with you that the government takes money by force and gives it to faith-based organizations that claim to do charitable work? Is it okay with you that the government uses your tax dollars to defend what used to be (and probably still is) a forced labor camp in the Marianas?

      What's missing from libertarianism is a sense of proportion and an acknowledgment of some of the other facts of life. Just because you voluntarily enter into a transaction doesn't mean it's a good idea. You may buy something voluntarily but if the seller didn't disclose known defects then you still got suckered and may even be injured as a result. What about the cumulative injury caused by the combination of, say, polluters? What's your legal recourse? Tort can only go so far.

      I think we have to take what's good from libertarian thought and use it in our own way. You're welcome to tell me that Ron Paul would make a lousy President. But, maybe you should think about what libertarianism actually means before dismissing it entirely.

      •  I've thought about Libertarianism a lot (1+ / 0-)
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        I hope it didn't sound as if I haven't put any thought into it. That being said, I absolutely hate Libertarianism. Using force is not the greatest evil. Apathy is. And Libertarianism leads to a society in which apathy prevails because there is no structure (i.e. government) connecting the fortunate with the less fortunate.

        Serenity now, insanity later.

        by chicagovigilante on Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 09:03:31 PM PDT

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  •  Thank you for this diary (3+ / 0-)
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    I hate single issue voters with a burning passion. It's just so terribly myopic to vote based on one pet issue and let the country go to hell in every other respect.

  •  Thanks a lot (1+ / 0-)
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    Now I don't get to write my Ron Paul diary. Not because you told me not to, but because yours was so complete and fact/link laden I needn't bother anymore.

    I've felt that strange twinge of curiosity about the man too, I admit. The Internet is drooling over him and he's outspokenly anti-war (both Iraq and Drug) He pricked my ears for a second. I stood back, though, looked into his positions, and came to the same conclusion. Regardless of the one or two issues we share in agreement, on ALL OTHERS we stand opposed. We fundamentally disagree. Like a square and a circle.

    How will a deregulated market save us from climate catastrophe?

    How would getting rid of FEMA help us deal with future Katrinas?

    His free market-is-the-solution-to-everything approach is anything but cute and cuddly. To me, it's outright, horrifyingly apocalyptic.

    Don't even get me started on health care.

    Life looks aflame from afar; but close up it's just fireflies in a jar. Visit me daily at artofstarving

    by artofstarving on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 09:27:04 PM PDT

  •  Do we believe wealth belongs to the state? (0+ / 0-)

    I don't.  I think government should be expected to provide certain services to the people, and that it takes taxes to pay for them.  I would hope those services could be provided in an efficient manner, with as little waste as possible.

    Maybe I'm out of the loop on this, but it would be nice to have a frame to counter those absurd accusations.

  •  He's actually turning out to be (1+ / 0-)
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    Mr. Northeast Republican, if this voter map is any indication.
  •  I live in Ron Paul's district, and (4+ / 0-)

    under no circumstances would I vote for him for anything.   I do enjoy his stance on Iraq and his general stirring of the shit, but I cannot abide a "Libertarian" who wants my uterus monitored and managed by the government.   And that's just the start of the weirdness with Rep. Paul.

    That shit pisses me off.

    -6.63/-6.31 Please visit the Grieving Room on Monday nights to discuss issues of mourning and loss.

    by Dem in the heart of Texas on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 10:07:24 PM PDT

  •  A little hypocrisy here, though. (5+ / 0-)

    Whenever a non-millionaire Democrat says something true, the "rebuttal" here is to ignore what he said and reply, "Never mind, he can't win."  As if 2 years before an election, the goal of debate isn't to raise issues and promote the best ideas, it's to guess the winner (and demonstrate our insight that the winner will be wealthy).  And Kossacks pretend they tolerate this because after all, we're really about helping Democrats win.

    Now Ron Paul - unlike any Democrat millionaire - is telling the truth about the causes of 9-11, and the neocons' Iraq agenda going back even further, and the drug war, and so much else.  And suddenly the rules change.  The fact that this Republican "can't win" somehow means we should ignore his best ideas too.  

    Yet at the same time when we want to bash him, we're supposed to pretend that if we listen to what he says, he's going to become the dangerous next President and take away all our rights with his worst ever ideas.

    Why don't you just say what's going on here.  

    "We like the mainstream media approach.  We prefer a simple race with just millionaires.  We don't want to hear from liberals, libertarians, or leftist truth-tellers like Paul, Kucinich, or Gravel, no matter what their chances or what issues they raise - it complicates everything.  If they beat Romney or Hillary here or at MSNBC's polls, we'll swear it was freeped.  When Kos or Trapper John runs a poll, we're relieved if he pretends they don't exist.

    And we're going to do our best to see to it, no matter what primary they run in, that their voices aren't heard and their best ideas aren't taken seriously, and that they can't win."

  •  Just listen to how much he (3+ / 0-)
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    really hates us. It'll make you sick just to hear him say it from his own mouth.

  •  I Gots to Say - (1+ / 0-)
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    You convinced me.

  •  Tonight's debate (1+ / 0-)
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    My diary comments on Paul in tonight's debate here.

  •  THANK YOU (3+ / 0-)

    Ron Paul is charming and frank.
    But oooh sooo wrong on the issues.
    Just being against the war and "for the constitution" is not enough.
    Thank you for the detailed write-up,

  •  The reason some people like Ron Paul..... (3+ / 0-)

    Is because he is far more consistent than most Dems and Republicans.

    Nowadays, consistency is more appreciated in a climate of triangulating and flip-flopping.

    Hillary Clinton is the goddess of peace, like Idi Amin was the King of Scotland.

    by clarquistador on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 10:50:37 PM PDT

  •  Defending Ron Paul in a rambling sort of way... (8+ / 0-)

    His unequivocal stance against all the 'wars' (Terror/Drugs/Iraq) really cannot be understated. With the slightly crazy exception of Mike Gravel, there's no one else in the presidential line up who has a message on these issues in such a clear and direct way.

    Is it just me, or does anyone else get the feeling that many of the Democratic candidates don't have the backbone to completely end many of the abuses started by the Bush Administration? They've already proven they can't take the correct stance on the drug war. They're too terrified of looking 'weak on crime' to end the complete madness of this ridculous persecution, and they're more than happy to make the situation worse, following the lead of Bill Clinton, who knew how harmless marijuana is and still increased the stridency of the drug war anyways.

    And, as someone said earlier, I could easily believe we could be in the second year of an H. Clinton administration with troops still fighting in Iraq and warplanes over Iran and Darfur. The Patriot Act, or some related variation, would continue to be law. There might be a lot of public handwringing by this future administration about the positions they take, but the net result would still be the same: continued war and intervention with continued loss of freedoms on the home front.

    Yes, there's a lot of Ron's positions I disagree with, especially on abortion, immigration, and environmental issues. But a President Paul would have to work with a Democratic congress, which would be possibly the best government I could imagine since neither side would let the other get anything too crazy accomplished.

    Even if Ron managed to cut or eliminate certain social programs at the federal level, each state would still have the option of continuing them, which would, in turn, give more power and control to the voters of each state, allowing programs to be customized to the needs of that particular area, rather than having a program dictated on a top-down basis, based on whatever way the national polls are blowing, with no regard for local issues or variances. One reason for the Scandinavian success stories has been that their programs are applied to a relatively small population with an active voice in how these programs are used. The same successes could be duplicated by state and city governments addressing populations of similar size and without interference from a distant Federal government.

    As for the racism angle, I personally don't think he's racist. Outside of his publication, he's never made any particularly horrendous statements. But, for the sake of argument, let's say he's more racist than David Duke. He'd still do more for the black community than any Democrat by just simply ending the drug war and stopping the terrible and unjust incarceration of large numbers of black men. Legalization would, nearly overnight, end drug-related violence, which would be key towards revitalizing ruined communities. Ron Paul might not say the right things to minorities but his actions would be much louder than words.

    •  Spot On About Clinton and Most Democrats (3+ / 0-)
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      Would they end the war? No, based on results, they wouldn't. Would they end the "war on drugs"? Not on your life. Would they dump the so-called Patriot Act? They would weaken it a little and call it a triumph. They wouldn't bother with the Military Commissions Act at all, on the basis that the SCOTUS would throw it out, so why should they get their hands dirty?

      Spineless wimps.

      Those are the kindest words I can think about many of them. The vast majority of Democrats (and maybe majority of Americans, for that matter) would support ending the war in Iraq, deleting the drug war and eliminating the PA and MCA (if only they knew what they were). And yet, the Democratic controllers won't even stand up on these issues, let alone do what's right.

      Spineless wimps.

      I don't think we'd be happy with Ron Paul in the White House. He's too much down home, too much of a cowboy. I've soured on cowboys and people who are too much like the common man. But at least Ron Paul is waking up some of the public to the concept that they don't have to follow every lie told by their masters with a "Yes, Sir!" Maybe it will have the happy result of making a few of them think for themselves on some issues.

      Hopeless romantic, that I am.

      •  OTOH (0+ / 0-)

        Sen. Leahy is at least trying to restore habeas corpus. That's something and I totally respect him for it.

        But frankly, dumping the MCA entirely? Probably not in the cards unless there's a major revolt. (A political revolt, that is!)

  •  Ron Paul has links to the Patriot Movement (3+ / 0-)
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    Sara over at Ornicus wrote an article about Ron Paul, noting his ties to the Patriot Movement and various white supremacist groups.

  •  Why Ron Paul is relevant (3+ / 0-)
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    Ron Paul is relevant because the buzz he creates by speaking negatively about the Iraq war suggests the danger posed to the Democrats by a mainstream Republican who chooses to pursue an anti-war line. I can fully imagine a Republican candidate trying to blame the current Democratic Congress for prolonging the Iraq War, and campaigning on a pull out; rattling sabers with Russia and Iran Bush is laying the groundwork for other business opportunities outside of Iraq for the military/defense/killing industries. Democratic candidates need to work to make such a line impossible; constantly reminding the voter who is responsible for what is going on in Iraq, what were their real motivations (money), and what they would do in the future if still in power; on the other hand the Democratic candidates need to spell out how they will get US troops out of Iraq (they will still be there in 2008, it seems), how they will contribute to repairing the damage done there, and how they will prevent such atrocities from occurring again. Finally, the Democratic candidates should among themselves find some common ground on which they all agree, so that whoever emerges as the presidential candidate is not arguing with his/her own party.

    I fully agree with you that Ron Paul is awful, and I appreciate this diary detailing the ways. Still, it is interesting to see how much noise he has made simply by opposing the war. Once in a comment I quoted him to this effect - precisely because it makes me sad that one can find more easily on the extreme right coherent statements against the war but one sometimes feels difficulty finding such statements coming from the mainstream Democratic presidential candidates with possibilities. However now I repent, for at least Richardson ( makes a quite coherent statement against the war, although I am not sure whether he really has possibilities or not (away from the war issue I have other reservations about Richardson, but I would certainly welcome him as president over any Republican). Perhaps the lesson for Democratic candidates is that opposing the war is sound populist politics.

    •  Yeah, really. (3+ / 0-)
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      You said: "...suggests the danger posed to the Democrats by a mainstream Republican who chooses to pursue an anti-war line."

      Yeah, really.  Many Republicans have shown more balls on the issue of opposing this war than some of our pampered pet candidates.  It is really disgusting.

      I wrote this snarky diary a year and a half ago:
      Robert Novak for Prez 2008!

      "NOVAK: The thing that I took issue with him [Bush], I didn't think we should have gone into Iraq. It was a few of us conservatives that thought it was a bad idea. Once we get there, you can't bug out. You can't...

      BLITZER: What was so bad about going in and getting rid of Saddam Hussein?

      NOVAK: It was wonderful getting rid of him. I'd like to get rid of a lot of dictators, but we can't send the U.S. military around the world to get rid of every dictator.  The question was, was it necessary in the national interest?"

  •  FINALLY (3+ / 0-)

    I have been waiting for someone to put it out there in BIG LETTERS that paul is NOT who you think he is... but  he is who I think and KNOW he is!

    Thank you!

  •  Thank you (1+ / 0-)
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    ... every time I read or hear one of these fawning remarks about Ron Paul I have to stifle a gag reflex.  

  •  Ron Paul Hates Government (1+ / 0-)
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    Paul is like many of the true conservatives who want to run the government so they can run it to the ground. They simply don't want there to be a federal government.

    The fact that he said some sensible things in the first Republican debate about the Middle East doesn't make him any more acceptable to a progressive.

  •  I never had any illlusions about Ron Paul's (0+ / 0-)

    other policies, but it's fun to watch him lay out a position on Iraq that's very sensible, especially in contrast to the deafening chorus of "all hail President Bush and his lovely war" coming from those other clowns.

  •  who would you trust w/Unitary Executive power? (4+ / 0-)
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    Ron Paul is the only candidate I would trust to immediately denounce and never wield any of the unitary executive powers Bush has accreted to the presidency.

    "The Universe is change; our life is what our thoughts make it." Marcus Aurelius "I'm a gun carrying member of the ACLU" me

    by Mosquito Pilot on Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 03:57:01 AM PDT

  •  Thanks. (1+ / 0-)
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    My parents are represented by Ron Paul.  I've known of him for years, and it frustrates me to see folks embrace him for his anti-occupation stance.  Just because he's correct there, doesn't mean that he doesn't hate you.  He's awful, IMO, and the only good thing about his presidential run is that it might get him out of CD-14.

    We have to become the leaders we seek. --boadicea
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    by sccs on Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 05:23:20 AM PDT

  •  God in pledge of allegiance (0+ / 0-)

    oh yeah, 90% of Americans support that, and only 3 representatives in the entire House voted against denouncing the 9th circuit decision. the white secular lefties should realize how extreme their position is...even within the Party

  •  Dr. Ron Paul could call the dems cowards (3+ / 0-)
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    because they obviously are. what a pathetic lot! dems give  bush the power to wage war claiming he convinced them with intelligence!!!! ron paul voted against the war because he believed it was wrong.  the dems, everyone of them who voted for the war are gutless, spineless cowards who are more concerned about staying in office than about young boys being ripped to shreds by bombs. so ron paul's a racist, an oil man, etc, etc. how awful he is! pro-life, libertarian, hates big gov't! hillary the aipac hawk is wonderful, obama nuke-on thetable is fab! Even when given the chance, no, given a mandate from a majority of the American voters, the DEMS FOLD. So now you say we should support a party of absolute cowards who will not govern as they are instructed, and we should totally trash the nearly lone voice, from the beginning, who has fought against the war! the dems will not win the big office in '08 and will lose seats in the house and in the senate because the country recognizes more then ever that they are cowards who will not do what is right when given the opportunity.

  •  Great diary! (0+ / 0-)

    He may be the most palatable Republican candidate, but he's still much worse than the worst Democratic candidate. Actually, I think I'd prefer a true compassionate conservative, unlike the fraudulent President, like Huckabee over racist Paul. Huckabee still does not get my vote.

  •  Dude, no one cares. (0+ / 0-)

    Ron Paul might get his immediate family to vote for him.  Maybe.  That's about it.

  •  I Got a StumbleUpon Account Last Week (0+ / 0-)

    and I keep getting sites and blog entries from Ron Paul, Ron Paul, etc.  Not Dennis Kucinich at all and very little Mike Gravel . . . sounds like once again the Repubs are trying to steal away an important meme . . . granted, Ron Paul is a libertarian . . . but don't think he's so much an independent of the Republican party . . .  If anything, his presence makes people WATCH the Republican debates . . . and the commentary before Sunday's debate . . . I forget who, but he complained the Dem. debates are boring because there's little disagreement (their frame--and of course referring only to the war) . . . whereas there's Ron Paul in the Repubs so it's exciting to watch.  

    Step back from the t.v., you may lose grips of the rationality of the Reality Based Community!

  •  It's the "Pro-Life" that is the hypocrisy, (0+ / 0-)

    not the racism.

    Paul's issue is his stark Libertarianism. I suppose it can be considered by some to be "evil"- I tend to respect it a bit more than that, even though I violently disagree with it (I'm a fan of big government myself).

    As for racism, lots of people are racist, and that breaks my heart. I'm not sure I believe Paul is a threat to race relations apart from his hostility to government in general.

    But, it's hypocritical to advocate a small government that cannot compel people to not be racist in hiring decisions but can be big enough to track down women who have an abortion. Paul clearly believes this is a proper police action, believing abortion is murder. But i reject an ability to hold that opinion without holding racial discrimination to be at least a misdemeanor.

    Anyway, speaking of murder, the Democratic Party does  not have a decent track record opposing the murders we are committing in Iraq. Certainly this is discussed in here. But it is fair to remind of this in the context of missives against Ron Paul, the only candidate in either Party to lay a full deck of cards on the table.

  •  This is just a hit piece... (0+ / 0-)
    by a right wing GOP'er.  Recognize it for what it is.
  •  Best diary yet (0+ / 0-)

    How do you argue with this when you've got links to all the facts.  This is Ron Paul testifying against himself.  Thanks for all the hard work.  

  •  Very few countries in the world allow automatic (1+ / 0-)
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    birthright citizenship of the descendents of illegal immigrants.

    E.G, Ireland is a very pro-immigrant country, but in 2004, they passed a law (by referendum) removing automatic birthright citizenship for the descendents of illegal immigrants.

    Jus soli   -    wikipedia
    Some countries are restricting lex soli by requiring that at least one of the child's parents be a national of the state in question at the child's birth, or a legal permanent resident of the territory of the state in question at the child's birth, or that the child be a foundling found on the territory of the state in question. The primary reason for imposing this requirement is to limit or prevent people from travelling to a country with the specific intent of gaining citizenship for a child. The 27th amendment to the constitution of the Republic of Ireland was passed by referendum in 2004 for this purpose.

    New Zealand passed a similar law in 2006.

    New Zealand nationality law   -   wikipedia
    In general, any person born in New Zealand before 2006 is a New Zealand citizen by birth. The only exceptions concern children of foreign diplomats.

    Children born in New Zealand on or after 1 January 2006 will acquire New Zealand citizenship by birth only if at least one parent is a New Zealand citizen or permanent resident (including Australian citizens). Parents who are permanent residents of Cook Islands, Tokelau or Niue also qualify.

    Also, I've read that no country in the EU gives unconditional birthright citizenship.

    Birthright Citizenship   -    numbersusa
    In June, 2004 voters in Ireland, the only country in the European Union to grant citizenship to anyone born in the country regardless of where the parents come from, overwhelmingly approved a plan to do away with a constitutional provision granting automatic Irish citizenship to any child born in Ireland.
    — from "Voters Reject Automatic Citizenship for Babies Born in Ireland," New York Times International, 6/13/04

  •  Excellent Work! Kucinich all the way! (0+ / 0-)

    Thanks for the great rundown.  

    I'd still rather have Paul lead and represent this countrythan ALL the others on that stage (plus Fred Thompson who is straight from central casting for the role of Anti-Christ).

    It turns out Paul is right on the Federal Reserve, which is not legal.. giving the central banks control over the Universe.  Please take the time to watch him in America: From Freedom to Fascism

    again, Kucinich is the best choice:
    See his debate smackdown of the big spenders re: Health Care for ALL!

  •  This diary is a hate piece n/t (2+ / 0-)
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    retired, duha
  •  Fuck Ron Paul (1+ / 0-)
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    I'm shocked at how many comments there are here defending him. I'm even more shocked by totally false RWTP statements that have gotten mojo like, "social security is dead anyway"

    Yeah, what kind of "constitutionalist"  doesn't even believe in a woman's right to choose, the seperation of church and state or equality for gay people.
    Ron Paul is selectionist constitutionalist...aka a fucking archaic, prejudice nutjob.
    I'm also shocked that BIll Mahr didn't confront him on these obvious hypocricies.
    Bill Mahr, "I have a new hero and his name is Ron Paul"
    How to tank your cred in 2 seconds? Ask Bill Mahr.

    "I don't wanna listen to the fundamentalist preachers anymore!" -Howard Dean

    by astronautagogo on Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 10:41:04 AM PDT

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