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Sen. Cornyn (R, TX) has added his SKIL Bill as an ammendment to H.R. 1585, "The National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008".

As you may have heard, this "Iraq" bill is being debated in an all-nighter tonight in the Senate.  I doubt if any word comes up about the unlimited H-1B visa increase - "Market-Based Visas" - slipped under the covers.

Originally posted to danarothrock on Tue Jul 17, 2007 at 06:02 PM PDT.


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  •  Please Recommend (5+ / 0-)

    Tell everybody you know how Congress works their stuff.

  •  Poison pill (1+ / 0-)
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    Wouldn't pass.

    Support the troops. Bring them home. All Spin Zone

    by Richard Cranium on Tue Jul 17, 2007 at 06:03:33 PM PDT

    •  let's hope (1+ / 0-)
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      But unfortunately this is being heavily lobbied by the US Chamber of Commerce, ITAA, NASSCOM, India itself, Bill Gates (the cheap labor lobby)

      But Cornyn needs to be exposed...he claims to be Mr. "no amnesty" and look at this, he would sell his own mother to get these Corporate desired guest worker Visas and agenda passed...
      he also tried to put them into the Nuclear India deal AFTER it had passed both houses, in conferee status.
      (i.e. no votes).

      by BobOak on Tue Jul 17, 2007 at 07:38:09 PM PDT

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  •  whoa... what the fuck does H1-B have to do (4+ / 0-)
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    fly, BobOak, danarothrock, uscitizenvoter

    with defense appropriations?  is this an amendment which will be voted on?  jesus I'm so tired of being wronged by these sorry sacks of poop.  

    so progressives have to vote against U.S. workers or vote against the war.  this fucking sucks.

    •  I am (5+ / 0-)

      I am surprised that in a country this fucked up that my trash is picked up and my lights work.

      Generals gathered in their masses Just like witches at black masses.. Evil minds that plot destruction Sorcerers of deaths construction..........

      by pissedpatriot on Tue Jul 17, 2007 at 06:18:53 PM PDT

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    •  Guaranteed to pass (1+ / 0-)
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      Yes, SKIL SA 2143 has to be voted on, or possibly "committeed".

      Durbin introduced an ammendment to Cornyn's ammendment - the Durbin / Grassley "The H-1B and L-1 Visa Fraud and Abuse Prevention Act of 2007" - SA 2238.

      There is no way the Senate will sign the Durbin / Grassley ammendment because it enforces existing law and as such would require more funding for investigations and legal battles.

      It's a lot cheaper to print more visas and pocket that corporate largess.

      •  Grassley/Durbin (0+ / 0-)

        Is ATTACHED to the Cornyn amendment.  In other words how this is set up is if one wants any reforms to pass one must pass the Cornyn unlimited H-1B amendment!

        Now WTF was Durbin thinking putting those reforms as an amendment to an amendment that regardless of any reforms will positively wipe out working professionals in the United States?

        by BobOak on Tue Jul 17, 2007 at 07:40:32 PM PDT

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        •  He's trying to make what is inevitable... (1+ / 0-)
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          ...less painful...

          Bob, you and I both know that the chances of us winning this war were slim... ironically, with democrats in power, our fortunes have worsened (except for Durbin's stuff... thank God for this man!)  We've done a good job at holding back the wave, but there are reports that some folk are actually getting pay raises, and we can't have that!

          So sad to see so many Republicans want to deny people already here the right to pay taxes, but will sell out American Citizens' jobs any chance they get...

          Yeah, like you said, it would be one thing if I could go up to Canada and get some free health care... but, I can't...  they certainly won't let me in...

          I've been encouraged to finish my doctorate and become a professor... bit, I feel that in a few years, there will be almost no American students in this profession... what would be the point?  And I'd feel pretty ambivalent about teaching their replacements...

          Sad, sad, day, really...

          Do we have a roll call... did this thing pass or what?  



          •  adsf (0+ / 0-)

            Congratulations!  What is your subject area, your expertise?  I didn't know this!

            Yes, we have huge problems here in terms of offering social structure to "grow" and support the citizens who make up the nation.  


            by BobOak on Tue Jul 17, 2007 at 11:21:56 PM PDT

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            •  No congrats, yet, Bob! :-) (2+ / 0-)
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              I applied a few years ago, but then got sick and couldn't follow through...

              If I do it, it will have to be done locally... for me that would be either computer science via the engineering school (which is what I'd prefer, academically)... or information technology through the business school... (my application was through the business school)... that's much more watered down stuff, which I'd enjoy less, but I think that discipline at least has some future potential students...  my masters was combined CS/IT... although I think I'd really like engineering, I am definately not competant in that field at all.  Someday, I may get an associates degree in EE just for fun... mainly 'cos I want to build and invent electronic stuff and don't have the ability to do it at the moment.

              I'm being encouraged to do it 'cos there apparently is also a business professor shortage out there and the hours are good for a person who is sickly like myself, but, I imagine this skil bill will fix that "shortage" up real good, too...  It's not just us they will be targeting...  teachers, nurses, medical doctors, too, are already getting hit, and they will keep getting hit more and more... pharmacists will probably be next, although they have great guild to protect their workers...

              We should have been looking ahead, I guess... and finding ways to create mandatory certifications with  guilds or unions like the teachers and medical profession do... but, we were doing well, and we didn't think the Internet would kill us the way it did...

              So be it... I hope skil doesn't pass... it has failed before... but that was before west cast democrats entered the scene... they could care less about our concerns... they want more money from Bill Gates and Steve Jobs...



        •  more stuff... (1+ / 0-)
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          ...when we were fighting the immigration bill, I had a sinking feeling in my stomach that what we were eventually going to get was going to be a lot worse...

          With immigration, everyone hated the idea of "illegals", and that tarnished the whole bill, so were were able to get some good concessions... with these standalone bills and ammendments, there isn't that pallor...

          Most of these folk have no issues at all with taking away good paying American jobs... they don't even give it a second thought...

          I knew this would be worse...

          As for the reforms, if it is a choice between skil/reforms and no skil/no reforms, we definitely take the latter...  Durbin's reforms can be easily skirted by smart corporations and a lazy republican justice department...  better to leave it as it is... they are out of visas for this year, anyways....



          •  my view (0+ / 0-)

            better nothing, than unlimited Visas.


            by BobOak on Tue Jul 17, 2007 at 11:39:34 PM PDT

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            •  The handwritings been on the wall (1+ / 0-)
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              For quite some time now.

              The last few immigration bills were never about "amnesty" ...that was just some clever spin from the offices of Frank Luntz.  

              They wern't even about "illegals" ...again just a way to ramp up a bunch of  Buchananite xenophobia.  

              It's always been about shifting the flow and demographic of immigration from one that favored (both legally and illegally) low skilled, low-educated, manual laborers to one that favors those with more economically viable skills and education.
              In simplest terms ...those who could more effectively compete with professionals and US white-collar workers.

              From the quota changes, merit-points system, increases guest workers, and language requirements, it's been obvious to those of us who have been working for immigration reform and immigrants rights that the entire debate has been a sham from the start.

              The "immigration war" has never really been about 12 million mostly unskilled, predominately Latino undocumented workers, or "securing" the border. It's been about finding a way to "legally" bring in millions of skilled workers without ever really increasing the total number of immigrants entering the country.

              When the last immigration bill rightfully failed, many cheered the hollow victory. But even then, it was evident that the victory was fleeting at best.  As evidenced by the actions of leading "anti-amnesty" immigration hawks like Cornyn and Kyl, it was merely a matter of time before they would be once again pushing their real agenda ... huge increases in the numbers of skilled workers entering the country each year.

              If they fail this time ...they'll be back

              SKIL will be attached to every bill they can get their hands on...until they get it through.

              And in the end, it will pass, due to the divisions within the Democratic Party, and more importantly the progressive movement as a whole.  

              It could have been addressed properly as part of a truly progressive comprehensive immigration reform package...but instead many were blinded by the spin and rhetoric coming from the likes of Cornyn, Tancredo, and the other faux immigration hawks and were happy to see the whole thing blow up.  We could have done the really hard work then, and formulated a new policy that would have protected American workers AND provided a fair and equitable immigration system....instead we got the status quo

              And now Cornyn and Kyl are now free to move the agenda that they've really been pushing from day one.

              •  yup (0+ / 0-)

                I've been saying this for a long time that it's all about cheap labor so of course those higher paying jobs, those middle class jobs are their #1 target for labor arbitrage.  Esp. engineering for it's really intensive "labor"....all sorts of people must write the code, design the chip and so forth..

                and they are out to lower those wages period.


                by BobOak on Wed Jul 18, 2007 at 11:13:18 AM PDT

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          •  The status quo is pretty bad n/t (0+ / 0-)
  •  the news (3+ / 0-)
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    Big money still runs the country.  Americans are still stupid.  Bill Gates is still bribing congress and BSing the populace about the shortage of technical workers, and Miller is probably back lobbying for the tech companies after losing his run at Congress.  Hillary is still buddies with the president of Wipro.  So what is new?

    Eventually, if Bush persists he will ruin the party for a generation if he does not declare martial law.  If he declares martial law the Republican Party is in for life as the Dems run to Bush's side to prove their patriotism.

    Impeachment is off the table but according to Hillary, Barak, and Edwards nukes are on the table.  All this shows some progress.

  •  H1-b should not be allowed, it is non-germain (2+ / 0-)
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    BobOak, uscitizenvoter

    to the bill. I'm no expert but, but I don't believe it will be allowed to be added for that reason.

    -8.63 -7.28 Ask " The Question "

    by OneCrankyDom on Tue Jul 17, 2007 at 07:25:36 PM PDT

    •  adsf (1+ / 0-)
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      As far as I know they have done similar things in the past, and appropriations bills are notorious to target.  They have done this in the past.

      They especially try this on H-1Bs because they are notorious as the offshore outsourcing Visa.

      So, this is actually possible and this is the technique, oh you vote against this bill you vote against the troops, or lets say they get the pull out timetable in....

      then that would be impossible for if anyone voted against the bill they would have voted to not get out of Iraq!

      by BobOak on Tue Jul 17, 2007 at 07:42:58 PM PDT

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  •  SA 2143 (2+ / 0-)
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    115k H-1Bs to 180k
    gives unlimited H-1B guest worker Visas to anyone who obtains ANY "Masters" from any US school.
    gives unlimited H-1B guest worker Visas to anyone who obtains ANY "Masters" from ANYWHERE where the study had anything to do with Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics.

    Can you imagine this?  It basically puts all American workers competing not only for educational opportunities but also job opportunities globally, in their own country, when Americans cannot do the same.  Americans cannot leave the United States and just go and get a job in other nations, especially cannot walk in for university study in other nations.

    The text of SA 2143 (Cornyn)

    by BobOak on Tue Jul 17, 2007 at 07:52:07 PM PDT

    •  So what? (1+ / 0-)
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      The wealth of this nation derives from having smart people live in it.

      Our country will never be worse off because it has too many people with graduate degrees.

      "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities" -- Voltaire

      by ohwilleke on Tue Jul 17, 2007 at 08:39:01 PM PDT

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      •   smart people (2+ / 0-)
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        Given the statement you made, you obviously are not one of the "smart people" in our country, the United States of America.

        I prefer to see that all U.S. citizens become as educated and intelligent as possible, with equal opportunities to compete for jobs fairly in our own country, the United States.  

        The U.S. has a first world economy, first world infrastructure, first world universities. The United States will be worse off when we allow our domestic labor market to be flooded by people from third world countries and their third world labor standards and wages.

        Furthermore, how fair is it when most other countries pay for college education for their citizens, which is not the case in the U.S. ?  Naturally, this gives an advantage to foreign nationals who don't have student loan debt, as is the case with many young college grads who are U.S. citizens.  There is also the question of valid academic credentials, not to mention English fluency, that is a problem with some people coming to work or study in the U.S.  But you've probably already heard about the scamming in certain countries where people can be paid to take qualification exams for their "customers."  So much for all those smart people.

        About me:  I worked my way through one of the TOP TEN ranked U.S. universities.  Been there, done that.

      •  You're about to get trolled... (2+ / 0-)
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        ...the smart people of the United States are just barely scraping by...  why are they getting last dibs instead of first dibs at good jobs?



      •  assumption is (0+ / 0-)

        somehow anyone on a H-1B is smart?  I don't think so and the evidence is showing this is a major factor of labor arbitrage, which can happen to any occupational category, even ones where a lot of smart people work...but you would know that if you had any economics course work.

        by BobOak on Tue Jul 17, 2007 at 11:20:19 PM PDT

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  •  Will stick its head up again in Fall or 2008 (0+ / 0-)

    As someone said here, this is much worse than what the CIR was. There are half a million H1's desperately waiting for green cards and their rich employers behind this-

    I suggest strong support for which is always on the ball with this issue.

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