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known euphemistically as the Pat Tillman Story™.

Now don't get me wrong. I love a good Conspiracy Theory as much as the next Kossack. My heart goes all apitter when there's discussion of Area 51, UFOs over Iran, and the Grassy Knoll. I have willingly lost uncounted hours of sleep staying up to listen to Art Bell and George Noory discussing Powers That Be (PTB) and whether or not Lieutenant Walter Haut's deathbed confession is the real McCoy.

But I'm having a few problems with some of the ideas being speculated upon with regards to the Pat Tillman story.

More on the flip...

There've been a couple diaries out there discussing the mysterious circumstances surrounding the death of Tillman as well as the equally mysterious and suspicious use of lies and cover ups...not to mention the amazingly stupid claims of privilege in a failed attempt to keep a lid on the Truth.

kestrel9000 has an interesting diary that offers some interesting connections between Tillman and Noam Chomsky and cites DVMX's post that

We have confirmed that Tillman had arranged to meet with a leading anti-war intellectual, Noam Chomsky, upon his return stateside. One can imagine the panic in the Office of the Secretary of Defense at the vision of the much trumpeted poster-boy hero of the War on Terror returning home and speaking out against the evil charade of the War

in the midst of a much longer diary that offers some insight into Tillman's attitude towards the Mess in Iraq.

In that diary, there's a bit of speculation re: murder, premeditated murder, and accidental death (or the preclusion of accidental death)....not to mention discussion of powder burn evidence.  And as

Taking Occam's principle of lex parsimoniae:

entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem
(Trans. entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity)

and applying it to the situation of Tillman's death, I'm really having difficulty thinking that

  1. The SecDef, much less his office, was in a panic at the idea of Tillman meeting up with Chomsky
  1. That one of Tillman's fellow Rangers would kill him in April 2004 Afghanistan for an opinion that a couple of his fellow Rangers (Kevin included) agreed with in March 2003:

Baer, who served with Tillman for more than a year in Iraq and Afghanistan, told one anecdote that took place during the March 2003 invasion as the Rangers moved up through southern Iraq.

"I can see it like a movie screen," Baer said. "We were outside of (a city in southern Iraq) watching as bombs were dropping on the town. We were at an old air base, me, Kevin and Pat, we weren’t in the fight right then. We were talking. And Pat said, ‘You know, this war is so f— illegal.’ And we all said, ‘Yeah.’ That’s who he was. He totally was against Bush." (emphasis mine)

  1. That someone, meaning high ranking members of either the admin. or military brass heard that Tillman didn't agree with Iraq, picked up the phone, and handed down a "Kill" order to shut Tillman up about Iraq.

There are lots of questions surrounding the death of Pat Tillman. And I truly want all of the facts to come out for the sake of Tillman's family...for the sake of the country.

Ultimately, I have to wonder if it's even possible to believe those facts when they finally do come to the surface.

Even as some discuss the possibilities of what happened that day, others advise caution:

Pat Tillman MAY have been murdered, or he may have been the victim of a tragic accident; that elaborate lies were constructed around his death proves neither.

It's that network of elaborate lies which needs to be investigated. Questions...lots and lots of questions:

Who authorized such an elaborate PR campaign using Tillman's death as a sick and dramatic spectacle?
Who authorized the lying to the Tillman family in its time of grief?
Who ordered the Rangers to "make up" different stories about Tillman's death?
Was the evidence (e.g. diary and armor) actually destroyed?
Who authorized that evidence destruction?
Who doctored the evidence?
Who authorized the doctoring of the evidence?

Lots of questions...not a lot of answers. If there is an actual conspiracy to be found, it's in the active cover-up of evidence, lying to the family, lying to the public, and the cynical development of yet another PR story focused on selling a troubled foreign policy with the emotionally appealing story of American footballer turned Army Ranger to fight the "good fight."

The problem is that the more the "story tellers" weave their fabric of fakery, the harder it is to keep track of the lies. And hiding behind Executive Privilege only makes it look like they are hiding something.

Telling the truth? It's so much easier...

(NB: This diary really isn't intended to slam people re: their theories on Tillman's death. Rather, it's a demand from me to the PTBs for the Truth surrounding this whole horrific affair. Frankly, I'm sick of the lies. It's time to come clean.)

Update: h/t to RetreatHell:

I don't think it is this complex. He was very unlikely "wacked" on orders. If it was intentional, it was probably over some dumb, simple, non-complex shit. Something so stupid and basic that it wouldn't make sense to anyone, except the people who were there.

I seriously doubt political views had ANYthing to do with it. Every single soldier/marine over there has differing political and religious views, and spends numerous hours on watch discussing/debating/arguing over them. We don't kill someone over that shit. We're not brainwashed retards. You're over-thinking this. I guarantee it is not even close to being this complicated. Think more simplistic...

Originally posted to kredwyn on Fri Jul 27, 2007 at 03:44 PM PDT.

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Comment Preferences

  •  With all my being, I wish whatever happened would (6+ / 0-)

    be revealed and all would "come clean."  I'll go forward that just exactly that will happen.

    Keep the faith.  Why not?  It could happen.

    "A Chicken-hawk in every pot." notHerbert Hoover -6.00, -6.21

    by funluvn1 on Fri Jul 27, 2007 at 03:40:29 PM PDT

    •  Conspiracy theories & smoking guns (3+ / 0-)
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      Caj, kredwyn, soros

      I think we've all been so conditioned by television and cinematic drama that we look for "the hidden truth."

      Some of the speculation surrounding Tillman's death (of which I know little other than reading here) reminds me of the right-wing speculation regarding Vince Foster's death.  

      Seems like there is some psychological need, some urgency, to know the truth -- particularly when we have so little trust in the institutions and people that are responsible for determining truth -- that really escalates anxiety.

      Not trying to say anything about the truth of what may have happened to Tillman, just observing the way we work as a society or as individuals who desperately care.

      "I wasn't lurking, I was standin' about. It's a totally different vibe." -- Spike, BTVS

      by prodigal on Fri Jul 27, 2007 at 03:47:19 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Testability is important... (8+ / 0-)

    We prefer simpler theories to more complex ones "because their empirical content is greater; and because they are better testable" (Popper 1992).

    "Computer. End holographic program...Computer? Computer?"

    by kredwyn on Fri Jul 27, 2007 at 03:40:36 PM PDT

  •  More Than Anything Else... (3+ / 0-)
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    soros, Caoimhin Laochdha, pfiore8

    this situation shows the remarkle decay of "American Values" under the reign of George W. Bush...

    Not its people, per se, but the way in which America is regarded around the world.

    Nothing this administration has done/covered up/lied about surprises me anymore.

    I can't believe how dark this whole period has been...and continues to be...

    Is It Time To Impeach Yet??? Just Checking...

    by TheManWithNoPoint on Fri Jul 27, 2007 at 03:46:49 PM PDT

  •  I agree (1+ / 0-)
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    pfiore8

    I think a "Kill" order is extremely unlikely.  I would agree that the cover-up would be the aftermath, with the caveat that it could've been a jealous soldier and the purpose of the cover-up was to not invite that attention it would bring the army in a time of war.  Each next story is all the more disappointing and unsurprising as the last one.

    you can beat this shell about me but you can't touch what's inside

    by mediaprisoner on Fri Jul 27, 2007 at 03:48:22 PM PDT

    •  Army Rangers... (1+ / 0-)
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      pfiore8

      While there are sometimes personal issues with individual rangers, Army Rangers are a interesting breed.

      I've known a couple...they are different from the guys I knew who were in other branches.

      One guy I know didn't make it through Ranger school because he landed on a tree stump during one of the paratrooper jumps. Not only did they fix his shattered leg...but now he's a black belt and teaches martial arts in CO.

      "Computer. End holographic program...Computer? Computer?"

      by kredwyn on Fri Jul 27, 2007 at 03:55:44 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  It's not the crime, it's the coverup. (7+ / 0-)

    Nixon Redux.

    Impeachment arguments are getting conclusive. Call your legislators!

    by ormondotvos on Fri Jul 27, 2007 at 03:53:21 PM PDT

  •  Wow! I Got Quoted, Favorably, in a Kredwyn Diary? (4+ / 0-)

    I'm not worthy...

    No Matter How Ill-informed or Uninformed They May Be, Kossacks Are NEVER Ignorant

    by The Baculum King on Fri Jul 27, 2007 at 04:26:39 PM PDT

  •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

    It's common for conspiracy theorists to view the military (and corporations, and any other "faceless" entity) as a pack of programmable androids.
     
    So when they allege a nationwide military "stand-down" order on 9/11 you ask, why would all those people agree to follow that order, and why hasn't anyone come forward to expose it?  Likewise:  why would Tillman's own buddies follow orders to "whack" him, and why would they keep quiet?  

    The answer is, well, that the truthies just sorta assumed that soldiers would just reflexively execute the desires of the commander in chief.

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