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It is tiresome to again and again refute U.S. lies about Iran's civil nuclear program. But it is important to not let the propaganda win and to refute it every time it threatens to take the lead.

Bush yesterday said:

[I]t's up to Iran to prove to the world that they're a stabilizing force as opposed to a destabilizing force. After all, this is a government that has proclaimed its desire to build a nuclear weapon.

President Bush Participates in Joint Press Availability with President Karzai of Afghanistan, August 6, 2007

Will someone in the U.S. media please call this what it is - simply an outrageous lie?

Why is this a lie? Because the Iranian government has consistently proclaimed that it does NOT desire to build a nuclear weapon.

Here is, again, proof:

The Islamic Republic of Iran is a member of the IAEA and is committed to the NPT. All our nuclear activities are transparent, peaceful and under the watchful eyes of IAEA inspectors.
Transcript of Ahmadinejad's U.N. Speech, September 19, 2006

Hojatoleslam Mohsen Gharavian, a scholar at Qom Seminary, on Monday rejected rumors appearing on some websites quoting him as saying that the use of nuclear weapons is allowed according to the Islamic tenets.
[...]
The theologian, who was talking in an exclusive interview with IRNA, added, "We do not seek nuclear weapons and the Islamic religion encourages coexistence along with peace and friendship."
Islam forbids use of nuclear weapons: Theological scholar, 21-02-2006

Iran is a nuclear fuel cycle technology holder, a capability which is exclusively for peaceful purposes, read a statement issued by the Islamic Republic at the emergency meeting of the International Atomic Energy Agency’s Board of Governors here Tuesday evening.

The Leader of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei, has issued the fatwa that the production, stockpiling and use of nuclear weapons are forbidden under Islam and that Iran shall never acquire these weapons, IRNA quoted from the statement.

Leader’s Fatwa Forbids Nukes, Aug 11, 2005

Led by Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the nation's "supreme leader," Iranian clerics have repeatedly declared that Islam forbids the development and use of all weapons of mass destruction.

"The Islamic Republic of Iran, based on its fundamental religious and legal beliefs, would never resort to the use of weapons of mass destruction," Khamenei said recently. "In contrast to the propaganda of our enemies, fundamentally we are against any production of weapons of mass destruction in any form."
Nuclear weapons unholy, Iran says Islam forbids use, clerics proclaim, October 31, 2003

So will the media tell us that Bush lied?

Don't wait for it ...

(x-posted at Moon of Alabama)

Originally posted to Bernhard on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 02:04 AM PDT.

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  •  The fact that Israel (1+ / 0-)
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    tgs1952

    has Nuclear weapons is reason enough for Iran to pursue a Nuclear deterrent oh and don't forget that Iraq (Iran's next door neighbour is illegally occupied by its Arch enemy America).
    I'd hate to see Iran becoming a Nuclear power but I feel just as uncomfortable with that lunatic in the Whitehouse having his nose picking finger on the button.

    Blame God and you'll get away with anything.

    by langerdang on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 02:24:38 AM PDT

    •  He's still lying. (3+ / 0-)
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      tgs1952, unclejohn, letsgetreal

      Iran has not proclaimed any such thing. Iran claims to be keeping to its legal obligations.

      What it really intends doing is another matter - the current programme is certainly suitable for producing nuclear weapons, though to what extent that's a legacy of the original programme under the Shah is another question.

    •  There was a time when ... (3+ / 0-)
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      hypersphere01, Owllwoman, bunny99

      the Jews and Persians of the Middle East were sympathetic to each other - both peoples hate the Arabs far more than they hate each other.

      I agree with your concerns about Bush having a finger on the Nuclear Button... Given that Iran/Persia hasn't formally invaded a country in about 200 years(in the old fashioned, historical def'n of 'invasion') in about 200 years. Quite likely even longer - it was a fact mentioned on Charlie Rose.

      Just as the war in Iraq was not about helping the Iraqi people or removing Saddam or WMDs or any other such nonsense, we know the war with Iran has nothing in particular to do with the threat of nuclear weapons, at least to those drawing up the invasion plans.

      If Iran does indeed have nuclear weapons, the last thing we would be doing is provoking the... Given that the administration's policy is for Regime Change(it's been 54 years since Kermit Roosevelt took out Mossadeq - maybe some people at CIA were nostalgic) it logically follows that the Iranian ruling powers would do anything  to retain power, including the use of nuclear weapons against American aggressors. It's the same defect of logic that was not talked about nearly enough in the run-up to the war in Iraq: If indeed Iraq did have WMDs, would Saddam not have been most likely to use them against us to defend his throne?

      The crimes of Iran and Iraq is that they assert their national sovereignty in the face of Bush and his gang of merry corporate globalists, who are quite distraught to see all of those oil fields and such prime strategic real estate being held by a hostile country.

      Just as Saddam was willing to abandon the dollar-only policy for oil purchases in favor of the Euro, Iran has been working away to establish its own Energy Bourse where trades would be in Euros, Yen and possibly other currencies. They want to build pipelines into Europe and Turkey wants to help them - naturally our government hates this. It's our corporations who control the oil racket, not theirs...

      And then of course, there's the issue of how all of this will affect the dollar and our domestic economy....

  •  no more oil (1+ / 0-)
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    Owllwoman

    that s for sure, they ve got their oil peak 20 years ago and are now running out of oil (50% less in 5 years).They do not have real choice but to develop ASAP a civil nuclear program and use their uranium ressources.

    WH must shut the fuck up on this matter.

  •  Langerdang - Iran does not want nukes (1+ / 0-)
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    Owllwoman

    I don't get why keep saying they would be justified to get some.

    Is Austria justified too? Why not?

    Nobody should have nukes. Iran does not wnat and does not need nukes. There is no reason to justify a desire they obviously do not have.

  •  Scary thought-- (2+ / 0-)
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    Mrcia, Owllwoman

    but it's just possible that Bush Two is incapable of understanding the meaning of "not" as the opposite of a positive statement.  Never mind that he just speaks the speech as it is "pronounced" to him.
    If he can't tell the difference between what is and what isn't, his handlers can provide him with whatever script seems most apt at the moment without fear of raising his suspicion.

  •  (tinfoil!) Bush wants Iran to have nukes (0+ / 0-)

    When they launch against Isreal, it will wipe out that pesky mosque that is standing in the way of being able to re-build the Temple Solomon.

  •  The real secret of why Bush doesn't want (0+ / 0-)

    Iran to be self sufficient in nuclear energy.  He wants to be able to make them buy oil from American companies, pumping American oil, that somehow got lost and ended up under Iraqi sand.

    We must all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately. - Benjamin Franklin -5.13/-3.38

    by Grannus on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 03:41:22 AM PDT

    •  You sound like my son. He is always saying,"Thats (1+ / 0-)
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      our oil under Iraqs sand." He is just joking but does have a sick sense of humor. In georgies mind I believe this is all religious. He hasn't been a so called christian for that long and has had some neo-teachers on Bible facts. He is living in some fantasy world thats not real and doesn't realize that he is evil himself.

      "Though the Mills of the Gods grind slowly,Yet they grind exceeding small."

      by Owllwoman on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 04:09:41 AM PDT

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  •  I'm sorry (1+ / 0-)
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    But this:

    Why is this a lie? Because the Iranian government has consistently proclaimed that it does NOT desire to build a nuclear weapon.

    makes me shake my head. Yes, the Bush administration has lied through their teeth on countless occasions, to the great loss of tens of thousands of lives around the world. They are bad, bad people who will lie to get anything they desire.

    But I just can't buy that we should trust anything Iran says on face value. Why, but they said they didn't want nukes!

    That's naive.

    But David Duke says he has black friends!

    Your world, upside-down! Visit Sydneysided, my view of the world as a Texan, Aggie and Democrat living Down Under.

    by AggieDemocrat on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 04:03:21 AM PDT

  •  I visit this site when I need an update (0+ / 0-)

    Everything you wanted to know about nukes.

    What is ISIS?

    ISIS is a non-profit, non-partisan institution dedicated to informing the public about science and policy issues affecting international security. Its efforts focus on stopping the spread of nuclear weapons, bringing about greater transparency of nuclear activities worldwide, and achieving deep reductions in nuclear arsenals. ISIS's projects integrate technical, scientific, and policy research in order to build a sound foundation for a wide variety of efforts to reduce the threat posed by nuclear weapons to U.S. and international security.

    Since its inception in 1993, ISIS has produced internationally recognized technical assessments of proliferant-state efforts to get nuclear weapons. It has often been at the forefront of efforts to solve complex national and international security problems. It has worked regularly in the U.S. and abroad to unite government officials, independent experts, scientists, and the public in efforts to find credible strategies to solve U.S., regional, and global security problems. Throughout its history, ISIS has maintained a commitment to the wide dissemination of its major findings.

    Someone once asked me if I had learned anything from going to war so many times. My reply: Yes, I learned how to cry.
    Joe Galloway

    by BOHICA on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 04:08:30 AM PDT

  •  Why would you believe what (0+ / 0-)

    Ayatollah Ali Khamenei or the other Clerics of the Iran regime say?  It is fairly clear to the entire world that Iran is developing nuclear weapons.  The only argument is whether to prevent it, if possible, by bombing the nuclear facilities or by some kind of econmic embargo, or whehter to just let it proceed and hope for some kind of balance of power stalemate.

    I can't beleive you are seriously making an argument that Iran does not week nuclear weapons.

    •  Do you have any facts (1+ / 0-)
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      for writing "It is fairly clear to the entire world that Iran is developing nuclear weapons."?

      The IAEA certainly has found no evidence for that. The majority of the worlds country has argued against sanctions on Iran because there is not a yota of evidence that Iran wants to build nukes (I can not do so anyway).

      Sandbox, you are lying!

      I have yet to see proof that Khamenei has lied on any issue he claimed (and a fatwa from him, carries a lot of weight - it is comparable to a binding supreme court judgement).

      I have seen lots of proof that Bush lies and some that you lie. It doesn't follow from that,that everybody lies.

    •  let me help you (0+ / 0-)

      After all, this is a government that has proclaimed its desire to build a nuclear weapon.

      http://www.whitehouse.gov/...

      bernhard is arguing that Iran has claimed no such desire.

      •  Look, if you asked all the Democratic Pres (0+ / 0-)

        candidates if they think Iran is developing nukes, they would all say yes, except for Kucinech and maybe Gravel.  The fact that Bush says so too doesn't make it false.

        •  proclaimed its desire (0+ / 0-)

          key phrase.
          personally, I think they will and they should in the sense of their own national security.
          gawd, I wonder if I can ever fly again after saying that

        •  So if the Democratic Pres candidates say (0+ / 0-)

          something, than it must be true?

          1. Bush clearly lied. Iran never proclaimed a desire to build nukes.

          If the Dem candidates would repeat what Bush says, they would lie too.

          1. It is not for the Dem candidates to judge if Iran is devloping nuclear weapons either. That is the chartered task, agree to by international conpacts the U.S. has signed, of the IAEA.

          The IAEA says it has found NO evidence, not a tiny little bit, that Iran is attempting to build nuclear weapons.

          If the Dem candidates claim something else. One should ask them for their evidence. There is none.

          •  So as the campaign progresses, and the (0+ / 0-)

            press keeps asking the candidates what they would do about Iran developing nukes, and the candidates say what they would (or would not) do about it, you, Berhard, can keep yelling hold on "false premise, the ayatollas really don't want nukes."

            •  Yes, that is the right strategy (0+ / 0-)

              fight the lies and don't agree with the agenda Bush and the neocons are trying to push upon the people.

              Show some backbone.

              Otherwise, you will get a second desaster like in Iraq. Iran of course, is about 3-4 time bigger.

              For a good analysis of how Bush's necons push a frame on the issue read The Framework for Debate on Iran.

              There are simply no facts that support this framework. Just lies. Why would you like Dem candidates to peddle those lies???

  •  I'll believe Bush when he produces (0+ / 0-)

    incontrovertible evidence of Iran producing nuclear weapons.  Corroborated by at least 2 sovereign nations, preferably at least 1 would not be a best friend.

    Until that time, Bush et al are full of it.  Again.

  •  All Shrub needs to do is.... (0+ / 0-)

    Prove his claims about Iran.
    It's time the American people shouted for proof of all the neoclown claims.

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