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Well, here we have it:  proof positive that at least one wingnut wants President Bush to remain in office indefinitely beyond the expiration of his term in January 2009.  Markos, I love ya, and I hope to god you are right when you say it can't happen.  But I have to tell you, this article makes my blood freeze in utter horror.  This is the craziest thing I've ever read.  

Hat-tips to my husband, FlashfyreSP for pointing out to me this ungodly insanity, and to Guerilla News Network for dredging up this vile piece of filth and making the liberal/progressive blogosphere aware of it.  You're awesome!  More, TheTick and altscott caught this too, but neither of their diaries caught a lot of attention.  It's a pity, because this really needs wide exposure.  It may get it too, now that it's up on Crooks and Liars.  Follow me below the fold, if you have a stout heart and a cast-iron stomach -- this is going to get fugly.  

I've had to quote a significant amount of text, in part because this stuff is just too wild -- I'm afraid people won't believe this if I don't lay out some substantial chunks of text.  I don't think we're going to have much trouble with the original site that hosted this, because they've yanked it.  Thank God for Google cache.  That this site even posted such insanity in the first place means we don't dare ignore them.  Correct me if I'm wrong, Constitutional scholars, but isn't this idea tantamount to discontinuing the Constitution of the United States?

Into the pig-wallow, folks.  Philip Atkinson basically trashes the entire notion of democracy as nothing more than the rule of the stupid:

The inadequacy of Democracy, rule by the majority, is undeniable – for it demands adopting ideas because they are popular, rather than because they are wise. This means that any man chosen to act as an agent of the people is placed in an invidious position: if he commits folly because it is popular, then he will be held responsible for the inevitable result. If he refuses to commit folly, then he will be detested by most citizens because he is frustrating their demands.

But then he goes on to say that the invasion of Iraq was a sane, credible choice:

When faced with the possible threat that the Iraqis might be amassing terrible weapons that could be used to slay millions of citizens of Western Civilization, President Bush took the only action prudence demanded and the electorate allowed: he conquered Iraq with an army.

Atkinson also goes on, as altscott also pointed out, to suggest that nuclear annihilation should have been a viable military option.  He also suggests that Israel faces a similar dilemma, nuke 'em all and be safe but vilified, or refrain from thermonuclear warfare and essentially commit national suicide.  This view points out a basic Manichean duality that has informed the neoconservative movement and its reaction to 9/11.  It is also eerily close to the notion of nuking Iran's nuclear laboratories.  

The following paragraph is the lead-in to the section that strikes me as tantamount to inciting a coup:

By elevating popular fancy over truth, Democracy is clearly an enemy of not just truth, but duty and justice, which makes it the worst form of government. President Bush must overcome not just the situation in Iraq, but democratic government. [emphasis added]

"Overcome democratic government" -- gee, what exactly does he mean by this?  Formally turn Congress into a debate club?  The federal judiciary into a cheerleading team?  Or would he prefer that George and Dick just tear up the Constitution on live national TV?  I'm not being sarcastic when I ask these questions, I really want him to just come out and say what he means, clearly and plainly.

Here, he does:

If President Bush copied Julius Caesar by ordering his army to empty Iraq of Arabs and repopulate the country with Americans, he would achieve immediate results: popularity with his military; enrichment of America by converting an Arabian Iraq into an American Iraq (therefore turning it from a liability to an asset); and boost American prestiege [sic] while terrifying American enemies.

He could then follow Caesar's example and use his newfound popularity with the military to wield military power to become the first permanent president of America, and end the civil chaos caused by the continually squabbling Congress and the out-of-control Supreme Court.

Now we're really getting into the heart of it.  I'm in awe of this level of delusional thinking.  Who will be the willing colonists?  Or should I say, the not-so-willing colonists?  The Angry Rakkasan is always ragging, justifiably, on the Republican chickenhawks who won't go fight in Iraq.  I really can't see young Republicans going to Iraq to raise their families and establish their careers.  And how likely is the military to go along with this madness?  Because madness it is.  Atkinson is counting on the military, or maybe even the mercenary companies, to forcibly resettle people into a desert on the other side of the world, far away from their families, friends, and every thing dear to them.  It is Stalinesque in its tenor and scope, and Absolutely. Barking. Mad.

I have to confess that when I first read this this afternoon, I just about levitated, I was so upset.  I. Could. Not. Believe. My. Eyes.  And so I started digging, to see who else had noticed it.  The Impeachment Project also caught this a few days ago.  Lisa wrote in the comments that she felt like a crackpot for blogging about this, but she's right -- this stuff is insanely frightening.  We need to stay aware of garbage like this.  As I wrote above, apparently the original is off the site, but the news is out, and the gig is up.

The author, Philip Atkinson, is touted at the bottom of the page as a contributing editor to FamilySecurityMatters.org and is supposedly:

a philosopher specializing in issues concerning the preservation of Western civilization.

There's supposed to be more on this guy at this site, but when I used their links, I came up with nothing.  They may have decided they can't afford to have this nutcase on their site.  Googling gave me more information, in particular this brief bio, which is in itself very revealing.  Apparently he grew up in council housing in the UK, and was dissed as a child by the local toughs he idolized.  There was also this:

As an adult it is easy to understand why the other boys in the street hated me, I was from a different class. My father was an honest, educated man, who didn't smoke or drink, and would never dream of striking his wife, but he was surrounded by drunks, thieves and wife-beaters. Our family enjoyed money, comfort and stability, unlike many of those around us. Not only were we the only family in the street to have a car, but also we were the only family in the whole suburb to have tea on the lawn. Everything about us was different, and we were naturally resented. While the neighbouring adults never confronted my father, their children were delighted to bully his children. My siblings and myself became social half-castes, accepted by no class and despised by all. The result in my case was an initial bitter resentment of my community, along with the traditional notions that I should pursue university and a career; so I dropped out of school to take a job as a bus conductor. And to escape this dead-end job, I emigrated, arriving in Australia in 1969, aged 22, with a pregnant wife, two small children, 30 pounds sterling, no job and no qualifications other than an incomplete public school education. [emphasis added]

So basically, we have some guy who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth who couldn't find a sense of self, and is now mad at the entire world for neither living up to his potential nor building upon his parents' legacy.  He's bought into the entire right-wing class-warfare meme, without, apparently, realizing that he's not part of their club either.  The man has intelligence, but the refusal to channel it into a more productive channel, to form a more constructive critique of the Bush Administration than this piece of tripe is really sad.  But it doesn't end there.  It is terrifying that anyone in this country would take this guy seriously enough to post his views and make him a contributing editor for even a local mulletwrapper.  Atkinson has written material on the clash of civilizations and on the supposedly failed premise of multiculturalism.

We can all agree that the idea of Bush as president-for-life is beyond the pale of civilized ideas.  But we also need to watch the right-wing sites, because more subtle, more insidious arguments promoting similar ideas may yet emerge.  We need to be prepared to jump on them with both feet and hold them up to public ridicule.  Yes, in a democracy we can discuss all sorts of ideas, yet some scream to be jumped on repeatedly with both feet and stomped into oblivion -- like this one.

Addendum 1:  KingOneEye suggested that I should correct the references to FSF, Family Security Foundation, to FSM, Family Security Matters.  To be honest, I saw both names used interchangeably when I was digging into this story.  I'll keep digging on that, and see if I can achieve some clarity as to which name is really accurate.

Addendum 2:  According to Source Watch,

The Family Security Foundation is the tax-deductible financial entity behind Family Security Matters.

So I think I can safely stick with FSF.  They're ultimately responsible for the website, n'est-ce pas?

Addendum 3:  Like shpilk said below, WHERE THE HELL IS THE FBI ON THIS???  This is perilously close to sedition, and deserves federal investigation.  

Originally posted to Noor B on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 09:08 PM PDT.

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  •  tip it or kick it, but please no wingnuts! (49+ / 0-)

    Seriously, when my husband showed me the link I just about freaked out.  I've been under the weather most of the day, but this....  I don't know what's worse, finding this sort thing on the web, or staying ignorant of it.

    Yowza....

    "Fighting Fascism is Always Cool." -- Amsterdam Weekly, volume three, issue 18 (-8.50, -7.23)

    by Noor B on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 09:09:58 PM PDT

  •  Crazy (12+ / 0-)

    Digby notes that the Board of Directors of this "wingnut welfare" operation includes

    such right wing luminaries as Barbara Comstock, Monica Crowley, Frank Gaffney, Laura Ingraham and James Woolsey

    .

    •  Why am I not surprised..... (4+ / 0-)

      Still, they've apparently purged their site of this guy.  So maybe he's too crazy for them?  A forlorn hope, but still a hope, nonetheless.  

      "Fighting Fascism is Always Cool." -- Amsterdam Weekly, volume three, issue 18 (-8.50, -7.23)

      by Noor B on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 09:15:48 PM PDT

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      •  Purged? (3+ / 0-)
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        If President Bush copied Julius Caesar by ordering his army to empty Iraq of Arabs and repopulate the country with Americans, he would achieve immediate results: popularity with his military; enrichment of America by converting an Arabian Iraq into an American Iraq (therefore turning it from a liability to an asset); and boost American prestiege [sic] while terrifying American enemies.

        As debased as our political discourse is I have a hard time thinking that this kind of thing has any real following in the US.

        •  I hope you're right. (6+ / 0-)

          But -- and it's confession time -- I have a wingnut relative who, if he ever reads this piece of insanity, will embrace it as the One True Way.  Seriously.  When I read Atkinson's bio, my first thought was that this sounded like my relative.  It's of a piece with some of the garbage I've heard this person spew.  

          "Fighting Fascism is Always Cool." -- Amsterdam Weekly, volume three, issue 18 (-8.50, -7.23)

          by Noor B on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 09:48:10 PM PDT

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        •  really (1+ / 0-)
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          As debased as our political discourse is I have a hard time thinking that this kind of thing has any real following in the US.

          Have you not been following the phenomenon known as Ann Coulter?

        •  or understanding of Caesar (5+ / 0-)

          When and where did Julius Caesar order the total depopulation of any region? Enslavement of the population, sure, but we don't need or use chattel slaves any more. The Roman policy was to assimilate the populations, eventually giving them citizenship, which is why most of the people of France, Spain, Portugal, Italy and even Romania speak a form of Latin. Absolutely they were brutal, but they were also famous for the justice of their laws, which is why people wanted them back when they were gone, and most western legal systems have large Roman components. Even Islamic law has the Qanun, based on Roman law. So what is this guy's understanding of Roman policies and how did he get it? Surely not by reading Caesar's De Bello Gallico.

      •  or a trial balloon? (1+ / 0-)
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        I would suggest we keep an eye on that website and an eye on that guy, and see what else comes up over time.  

        It would not surprise me if similar ideas were popping up more and more frequently.  

        •  Especially given the info on the site bmj linked. (0+ / 0-)

          Cheney is on their board.  I kid you not.  H/t to gonzomuckraker for that piece of information.

          "Fighting Fascism is Always Cool." -- Amsterdam Weekly, volume three, issue 18 (-8.50, -7.23)

          by Noor B on Tue Aug 21, 2007 at 08:56:43 AM PDT

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    •  Maybe it's time to (1+ / 0-)
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      send some emails and letters to Monica Crowley and Laura Ingraham's sponsors again.

      Has Spocko weighed in on this yet?

      You cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war. --Albert Einstein

      by Sharoney on Tue Aug 21, 2007 at 01:12:25 PM PDT

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  •  Do you listen to Patsy Cline? (5+ / 0-)
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    I'm specifically thinking of the song "Crazy."

    Look, I'll admit that this is a scary notion.  And it is not even unprecedented – at the height of the Watergate scandal there were those in the government who feared that, were he to be impeached and removed from office, President Nixon might simply refuse to go.  But it was hardly likely to actually happen, then or now.

    For one thing, I don't think the military is that enamored of Bush.  Nor do I believe that his ordering them to "clear Iraq" would make them like him more.  Militaries traditionally don't much care for civilian leaders who task them with impossible jobs.  Any such move in Iraq would be the opening to WWIII, no question.

    Not to mention that no other civilian authority – Congress, the courts, law-enforcement – would stand for such a move.  In fact, I strongly suspect that even the Bush cabinet would balk at such a tossing aside of the Constituton.  They might even invoke their power to declare the president unable to perform his duties.

    Finally, there would be a mass public uprising if Bush were to essentially declare himself dictator for life.  And I sincerely doubt that the military or police would attempt to quell such an uprising.

    In a way, I almost hope Bus tries it.  It would not only mean the utter discrediting of this administration, but of the Republican party and general.  Moreover, it might lead to a re-examination of our Constitution that could result in the discarding of some of the more antiquated or undemocratic features, such as the electoral college or the unequal allocation of power in the Senate.

    But I still don't see it happening.

    "We must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom." - Kodos

    by Jon Stafford on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 09:17:35 PM PDT

    •  I want to believe that wholeheartedly, and (5+ / 0-)

      indeed, there's much to be said that it cannot happen as Atkinson lays it out.  But still, Jon, it's crucial to note that this was even written and published on the web by one of the conservative blogs, one with some very popular right-wing pundits writing for it.  The idea is circulating out there, and that in itself is a reminder that we cannot be too complacent.

      Still, as I noted, it is encouraging that FSF ditched the article and mention of this person on their roster of contributing editors.  Maybe that indicates there's some boundary beyond which even they dare not go.  If so, that is the first hopeful sign I've seen out of the movement neocons ever.  

      "Fighting Fascism is Always Cool." -- Amsterdam Weekly, volume three, issue 18 (-8.50, -7.23)

      by Noor B on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 09:23:25 PM PDT

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    •  I cannot even imagine (3+ / 0-)
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      how you could displace an entire population (to where?) and then import a sufficient number of skilled Americans to populate any sort of livable country into a country that has been ruined, that has no infrastructure, that has been polluted and contaminated, whose farmland has been destroyed and which has almost unlivable temperatures. Who exactly is going to go over there and build a functioning government, schools, businesses, hospitals and so forth. It's a ridiculous fantasy on every level.

      We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14: http://www.oneill08.com/

      by anastasia p on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 09:36:00 PM PDT

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      •  Of course it is. (2+ / 0-)
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        But the very fact that they can even dream up something like this and advocate it means that we have to oppose it and hold it up for ridicule.  This cannot gain traction.

        "Fighting Fascism is Always Cool." -- Amsterdam Weekly, volume three, issue 18 (-8.50, -7.23)

        by Noor B on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 09:52:59 PM PDT

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      •  Happened before (2+ / 0-)
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        Whole populations have been wiped out, or nearly so, and replaced with others - see the reference to Cesar. All it takes is somebody sufficiently ruthless and powerful.

        Army 1st Lt. Ehren T. Watada, Lt. Cdr USN Matthew Diaz, SPC Eli Israel: true American heroes.

        by sdgeek on Tue Aug 21, 2007 at 02:14:48 AM PDT

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    •  the day he even begins to try doing that... (1+ / 0-)
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      Is the day a General and an Admiral show up un-invited to the White House in full dress uniform, to give him the Goldwater Moment:  "Sir, it's over."

      And all the rest of us would see of it, would be his sudden resignation, on TV, for "personal reasons."  

      OTOH if that didn't happen, and if Bush tried to pull it off using Blackwater and whatever subset of the military he's managed to compromise via the Dominionist infiltration, then yeah the rest of the military along with civilian law enforcement would all join up with the very large citizens' revolt that would break out the next day. .

  •  why I'm awake, and reading this... (8+ / 0-)

    ...is a great mystery.  Besides the fact I like Noor B's diaries.

    I think looking at it as a realistic possibility is missing the point.  To the degree Jung had it dead on, human beings do work by archetypes, and "the king, daddy and protector" is one of them.  No one in my lifetime has evoked it in the US so well as GWB; it's a kind of magic, in the Dion Fortune sense.  Whether it happens or not -- and it seems very unlikely, there are too many cyclic fortunes to be made in ordinary succession -- the story to me is in these weird posts, the edges of society expressing their wish that the strong papa stay in power to protect them from their inchoate demons.  Our fear of it is the mirror of the archetype, trauma from seeing it rampage through lives and socieities and groups, a sensitivity to the occurence, its narrative and signifiers.  It doesn't have to happen or even realistically have a chance in hell to be worth paying attention to...

    •  Interesting.... (4+ / 0-)
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      I hadn't thought of Dion Fortune's work in years.  I still have a small collection of her stuff squirreled away.  she was an astute observer of the way that humans think in magical terms, and of how to harness that tendency.  I think you've got a very good point there, that GWB epitomizes it, albeit probably subconsciously, in the way that one of Fortune's characters harnessed the fertility goddess archetype.

      The real issue to me is to look at this sort of garbage and start screaming bloody murder about the mental trash the wingnuts are leaving lying about.  It doesn't matter that it's a far-fetched idea, and won't happen -- we have to slap this crap down hard, so it doesn't even come close to being an acceptable notion.

      "Fighting Fascism is Always Cool." -- Amsterdam Weekly, volume three, issue 18 (-8.50, -7.23)

      by Noor B on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 09:30:54 PM PDT

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    •  too bad (6+ / 0-)

      king george manifests the king baby tyrant archetype. There is no healthy balance between the lover, magician or warrior energies, only the narcissistic tyrant king. Lucky us.

      The trick is in what one emphasizes. We either make ourselves miserable, or we make ourselves happy. The amount of work is the same." Carlos Castaneda

      by FireCrow on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 09:33:34 PM PDT

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  •  Talk about kissing ass (2+ / 0-)
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    This particular Atkinson sucker has been sucked into the rectum and is now just another piece of excrement for advocating dictatorship. Where he really turns into diarrhea is for advocating this dictator be Bush the Lesser!

    Well? Shall we go? Yes, let's go.

    by whenwego on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 09:28:30 PM PDT

  •  Yeesh. (4+ / 0-)
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    Other kids despised this pompous twit? Hard to believe.

  •  This is why I shouldn't read diaries like this... (4+ / 0-)
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    before bedtime. Just threw up in my mouth looking at the full panoply of wing-nuttery on display at that familysecuritymatters.org site. Holy hells bells, Batman!

    You know, my thought is that the best way to deal with cockroaches and other vermin is to expose them to the light. I'm rec'ing your diary and hoping others do too.

    "Among individuals, as among nations, respect for the rights of others is peace." Benito Juarez

    by Blue Boy Red State on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 09:34:17 PM PDT

  •  I think (3+ / 0-)
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    that if Bush declared himself dictator for life, his life would become measured in hours.

  •  As Bill Maher said "You can't call yourself a.... (8+ / 0-)

    "think tank if all your ideas are stupid"

    Be carefull what you shoot at, most things in here don't react well to bullets-Sean Connery .... Captain Marko Ramius -Hunt For Red October

    by JML9999 on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 09:53:59 PM PDT

  •  Formal Overthrow of the Constitution Aside, (1+ / 0-)
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    the entire coalition of the right is finished with democracy and with the Constitution having any ability whatever to interfere with private power.

    And they're taking it apart at breakneck speed.

    But armed coups and overthrowing the Constitution aren't against the law for Republicans.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 09:54:27 PM PDT

    •  True, but still, I have problems (2+ / 0-)
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      seeing them being able to do this in reality.  Oh, there will be those who will privately think Atkinson's a genius, but they're likely to be overruled by the majority, even among wingnuts, who are not willing to see fighting in our streets.  We may hear of more such talk, so we'll just have to scream bloody murder and hope good guys on the right like Bruce Fein have our backs.

      "Fighting Fascism is Always Cool." -- Amsterdam Weekly, volume three, issue 18 (-8.50, -7.23)

      by Noor B on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 10:03:50 PM PDT

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  •  For me, the best part was this ... (2+ / 0-)
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    Caesar pacified Gaul by mass slaughter; he then used his successful army to crush all political opposition at home and establish himself as permanent ruler of ancient Rome. This brilliant action not only ended the personal threat to Caesar, but ended the civil chaos that was threatening anarchy in ancient Rome – thus marking the start of the ancient Roman Empire that gave peace and prosperity to the known world.

    I could nitpick on the history and whether the empire replacing the republic was the beginning or the end for Rome. I figure that should be unnecessary, though, since the end of the "personal threat to Caesar" led to his assassination not long after his attempt to use his successful army to crush political opposition at home.

    I suppose I know a lot of people whose eyes glaze over when they need to read a history book, but it's truly a shame that HBO is too risque for this guy to watch.

    •  Yeah, that was the other thing that really lit me (5+ / 0-)
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      up when I read this thing -- the misuse of history for propagandistic purposes.  And he did it relatively well.  Face it, how many nonacademics are really into classical-period history?  It's even less accessible than the American Revolution.  Most people will look at anything resembling a reasoned argument utilizing those facts, albeit in a twisted manner, and think "this guy knows his stuff, he must be on to something."  Well, no, on something might be more like it, but you get my drift.

      "Fighting Fascism is Always Cool." -- Amsterdam Weekly, volume three, issue 18 (-8.50, -7.23)

      by Noor B on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 10:01:02 PM PDT

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      •  It's a problem ... (4+ / 0-)
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        And honestly, it's a problem I don't know entirely how to deal with.

        I'm not a scholar. I can and do greatly enjoy vapid forms of entertainment. I don't pour over history texts for fun. But I don't understand how people haven't grasped the basics of Western Civics. I was a public school student. Bright, but not a genius. They covered this stuff. Greece, Rome, etc. ... You don't need great detail to understand why this guy's interpretation of events is ridiculous. I was not kidding when I said you could pick it up by watching HBO. "Rome" is better than average historical fiction. (For sub-average historical fiction, see "The Tudors.")

        How do you combat people being willfully ignorant of basic history? It's honestly one of the major problems with the country. People don't understand Rome; they don't understand the Magna Carta; they don't understand the American Revolution; they don't understand the "trust-busting;" they don't understand "The Jungle;" they don't understand the robber barons. Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it and all of that. I feel that way all the fucking time, and I have since I was 14 years old and Reagan was campaigning for re-election.

        •  Remember back in the 60's when there was a big (1+ / 0-)
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          push to improve science education, so we wouldn't be out-performed by the Russians?  We need that kind of national push around history education -- not so we can outcompete anyone, but so we can understand and defend who we are as a nation, where we're coming from, and the core values of democracy.

    •  Heck, you don't even have to read to learn (1+ / 0-)
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      about the history of Rome. The History Channel, The Learning Channel, Discovery, etc. all run documentaries about the rise and fall of Rome rather frequently. The Biography Channel ran a biography of Julius Caesar not too long ago, which pointed out that his desire for power was the leading factor in his downfall.

      Even my 10 year old knows better than to use Julius Caesar as an example of "dictator for life"...that's like using Thermopylae as an example of how to win in battle!

      "Truth never damages a cause that is just."~~~Mohandas K. Gandhi

      by LynneK on Tue Aug 21, 2007 at 05:21:37 AM PDT

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  •  oaths (3+ / 0-)
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    The military make oaths:

    The wordings of the current oath of enlistment and oath for commissioned officers are as follows:
    http://www.army.mil/...

    "I, ___, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).

    "I, ___ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of ___ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God." (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)

    The military has quite a dilemma on their hands when they have a President who may have already violated some basic tenets of the Uniform Code of Military Justice and most likely several articles of the U.S. Constitution.  Also there is an AG diligently working to subvert and politicize the DOJ as pervasively as possible.

    I am not surprised at all about such writings from the bowels of these right wing organizations.  They are clearly calling for the end of Democracy in the United States of America even if they push the loose-lips fanatic winger back under the pillow to stifle the 'voicing' true agenda of their 'mission'.

    The difference between us at dkos and all of those types is that we want our democracy, our constitution and the rule of law to prevail. Any military man or woman who takes their oath seriously can tell who is inline with that oath...on that score people like us at DKOS are winning...on all other fronts we're losing thanks to an impotent congress

    Peace is a good thing. War is the ultimate political failure.

    by FreeTradeIsYourEpitaph on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 10:03:20 PM PDT

    •  about the military: in fact they have been... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...debating over precisely this point since before 9/11, officers and enlisted both:

      "What would you do if the part of your oath about obeying the President came into conflict with the part about defending the Constitution from all enemies forieign & domestic?"

      And both before and after 9/11, they've had a few nicknames for these guys:  "The Deserter-in-Chief," and for Rummy & crew, "The Theoreticians."  I've also heard "Five-Deferment Dick" a couple of times.

      My guess is that the military and everyone else will split about 1/3 for the Regime, 1/3 for the Constitution, and 1/3 for trying to sit it out.  That's basically a setup for civil war.

  •  A hardy hello to all Kossacks and especially to (1+ / 0-)
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    my favorite mermaid Salty!!!

    "Man will never be free until the last King is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." -Denis Diderot

    by joeyess on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 10:11:34 PM PDT

  •  Digby blogged about it (2+ / 0-)
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    FSM is scary!

    http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/...

    Hail Caesar

    by digby

    I've been getting a lot of emails about this group Family Security Matters which boasts such right wing luminaries as Barbara Comstock, Monica Crowley, Frank Gaffney, Laura Ingraham and James Woolsey among others on its board of directors...

    The emails I'm getting say they are busily scrubbing articles all over the place...

    This one is still in the Google cache for now, and it's certainly a keeper. Here, for posterity is:

       Exclusive: Conquering the Drawbacks of Democracy
       Philip Atkinson....

    Stay the Course will be their epitaph

    by lawnorder on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 10:33:46 PM PDT

  •  Puppet prez (5+ / 0-)
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    I think bushie's a puppet, but who, ultimately is pulling the strings?  That's the kind of person who would want this idiot to be prez for life.

    •  Cheney (2+ / 0-)
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      or Kristol

    •  He wouldn't want him to be prez for life (1+ / 0-)
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      He would maneuver another figurehead in Bush's place, and keep right on going.

      I don't think it's Cheney, either. I think whoever pulled the strings maneuvered a smarter neocon than Bush in the VP position. Remember, the VP is not term-limited, so Cheney may well remain in office if the Republicans win the Presidency again.

      The reason I don't think it's Cheney is that in the 2000 election, there was a backup solution. Remember that Lieberman would have been VP?

      So I suspect that whoever pulled the strings maneuvered Cheney in as his preferred VP, and Lieberman as a "sleeper" if Florida hadn't been so close.

      OK, all of this is of course just late-night tinfoil thinking ;-) Without more evidence, this is nothing but a conspiracy theory speculation. Interesting intellectually, and may well be true, but totally unsubstantiated.

      Army 1st Lt. Ehren T. Watada, Lt. Cdr USN Matthew Diaz, SPC Eli Israel: true American heroes.

      by sdgeek on Tue Aug 21, 2007 at 02:23:46 AM PDT

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    •  Cheney. No question. n/t (0+ / 0-)

      "Fighting Fascism is Always Cool." -- Amsterdam Weekly, volume three, issue 18 (-8.50, -7.23)

      by Noor B on Tue Aug 21, 2007 at 09:07:45 AM PDT

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  •  it's even more damning (4+ / 0-)
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    Check this out:

    Well, it turns out that "Family Security Matters (FSM) is a front group for the Center for Security Policy (CSP), a conservative Washington think tank "committed to the time-tested philosophy of promoting international peace through American strength." (The phone number listed on the FSM website is answered by the CSP.)

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/...

    So now we are led to the Center for Security Policy, and who's connected to that group?

    Dick Cheney, Vice President of the U.S. under George W. Bush, was an early member of Center's Board of Advisors (which is now called the National Security Advisory Council).

    Twenty-two CSP advisers -- including additional Reagan-era remnants like Elliott Abrams, Ken deGraffenreid, Paula Dobriansky, Sven Kraemer, Robert Joseph, Robert Andrews and J.D. Crouch -- have reoccupied key positions in the national security establishment, as have other true believers of more recent vintage."

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/...

    Looks like The Usual Suspects is behind this b.s.

  •  Recommended (2+ / 0-)
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    This needs to be spread far and wide.   This is the type of thing that would bring down just about anybody else.  

    This rips the curtain back and shows the true desires of these nut-ball dictator-wannabe's who are currently RUNNING THE COUNTRY.  

  •  "this would be a whole lot easier... (2+ / 0-)
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    ... if this was a dictatorship - as long as I was the dictator.

    • George W. Bush, December 19, 2000 at a meeting with the Democratic Congressional leadership.

    IMPEACH THE CHEERLEADER... SAVE THE WORLD! © ®

    by KnotIookin on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 10:59:30 PM PDT

  •  Another one of Philip Atkinson's vile screeds (1+ / 0-)
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    preserved by a vigilant blogger (apparently a Ron Paul advocate- I'm not endorsing his blog- just a convenient reference found on Google), before FSM did their P.R. damage control and took it down...

    Here he calls for enslaving Mexicans- see the bottom of the entry.

    http://stewart-rhodes.blogspot.com/...

    •  This guy's a piece of work. (0+ / 0-)

      What do you want to bet he'd have led the charge across the wheat field at Gettysburg?

      "Fighting Fascism is Always Cool." -- Amsterdam Weekly, volume three, issue 18 (-8.50, -7.23)

      by Noor B on Tue Aug 21, 2007 at 09:12:10 AM PDT

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      •  Don't think so... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...that would've taken cojones, and this Atkinson P.O.S. doesn't have them anymore.

        He would have been back at Lee's HQ, talking in a loud voice about how he was "gonna whup them Yankees but good, inna minute", all the while making a nuisance of himself. Eventually, Lee's staff would have "escorted" him out to the picket line and told him, "Git on yore horse and GO!"

        Or, as an English observer might've said to him, "Sod off, wanker."

        "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" - Red Green

        by FlashfyreSP on Tue Aug 21, 2007 at 01:38:23 PM PDT

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        •  Well, dearest, the point is that (0+ / 0-)

          this bozo would have been a die-hard supporter of the South's "peculiar institution".  But you have a point, he's classic REMF material.  

          "Fighting Fascism is Always Cool." -- Amsterdam Weekly, volume three, issue 18 (-8.50, -7.23)

          by Noor B on Tue Aug 21, 2007 at 02:30:30 PM PDT

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  •  This idiot Atkinson (4+ / 0-)
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    is preaching for the violent overthrow of the Government of the United States ..

    Where the hell is the FBI?

    socialist democratic progressive pragmatic idealist with a small d.

    by shpilk on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 11:37:48 PM PDT

    •  Sedition (5+ / 0-)
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      His article was published by an organization that lists high ranking government officials on its board. This comes right up to the line of sedition- so close that we just might need to look a lot closer as to whether actions have been taken in furtherance of this advocacy.

      From http://law.jrank.org/...

      "Sedition is the crime of revolting or inciting revolt against government. However, because of the broad protection of free speech under the FIRST AMENDMENT, prosecutions for sedition are rare. Nevertheless, sedition remains a crime in the United States under 18 U.S.C.A. § 2384 (2000), a federal statute that punishes seditious conspiracy, and 18 U.S.C.A. § 2385 (2000), which outlaws advocating the overthrow of the federal government by force. Generally, a person may be punished for sedition only when he or she makes statements that create a CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER to rights that the government may lawfully protect (SCHENCK V. UNITED STATES, 249 U.S. 47, 39 S. Ct. 247, 63 L. Ed. 470 <1919>)."

      "The crime of seditious conspiracy is committed when two or more persons in any state or U.S. territory conspire to levy war against the U.S. government. A person commits the crime of advocating the violent overthrow of the federal government when she willfully advocates or teaches the overthrow of the government by force, publishes material that advocates the overthrow of the government by force, or organizes persons to overthrow the government by force. A person found guilty of seditious conspiracy or advocating the overthrow of the government may be fined and sentenced to up to 20 years in prison. States also maintain laws that punish similar advocacy and conspiracy against the state government."

    •  I almost put that in the diary. (0+ / 0-)

      I may go back, do one last edit, and ask just that.

      "Fighting Fascism is Always Cool." -- Amsterdam Weekly, volume three, issue 18 (-8.50, -7.23)

      by Noor B on Tue Aug 21, 2007 at 09:13:03 AM PDT

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  •  It is entirely possible (4+ / 0-)

    that this place is going to cause me to have a nervous breakdown.

    The SPP diary was bad enough, but the thought that someone is actually advocating this...out loud....is just nucking futs.

  •  Hrm (2+ / 0-)
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    I once bet a friend that this would happen (not that he would remain in office, or even attempt, but that this will enter the discourse). Well, at least I'll get a bottle of good whiskey out of it...

  •  Scary indeed (4+ / 0-)
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    One excerpt I didn't see in your diary was one of the scariest

    The wisest course would have been for President Bush to use his nuclear weapons to slaughter Iraqis until they complied with his demands, or until they were all dead.

    What sane, rational, compassionate uman being could possibly advocate the use of a nuclear device to slaughter innocent civilians?  An entire nation?  And make no mistake, that is exactly what nuclear weapons do.  These FSF people are very dangerous sociopaths.  How did they earn the title "think tank"?

    •  I didn't explicitly because (0+ / 0-)

      the two previous short diaries did that.  But I did allude to it in the bit about nuking Iranian facilities and Israel's capability.

      "Fighting Fascism is Always Cool." -- Amsterdam Weekly, volume three, issue 18 (-8.50, -7.23)

      by Noor B on Tue Aug 21, 2007 at 09:18:31 AM PDT

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  •  it... that article, it... (5+ / 0-)

    it... stated we should have nuked and then colonized Iraq. i stopped reading about there.

    Iron stomach is an understatement.

    When the dems are doing well, I have the ability to do things I normally can't; like the MC Hammer Slide.

    by Dude1701 on Tue Aug 21, 2007 at 01:36:42 AM PDT

  •  i ve seen it sporadicaly on dkos (3+ / 0-)
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    before but i thougt it would fit the theme very goodhttp://thomas.loc.gov/... and one personaly note i am german 40 years old and i have a unbelivable scary feeling that you are repeating our history economicaly and msm from ww1 + 2 in a optimized version of that HORROR. Somebody realy studied history here! just compare the laguage or the laws for example.its more than scary. But to your rescue i have no idea how you can stop it.In ww1 the women stoped the war after a unbelivebale bloodshet .The women who asked for the retun of their man's, son's, loved ones,where called traitors and asked to produce weapons to suport the troops. That was 1914 around .SOUND FAMILIAR NOT.  

    •  My husband and I have debated that point before. (0+ / 0-)

      We're concerned about this trend.  There are some similarities, but not quite enough to make us run -- yet.  

      Do me a favor, bitte -- when you talk to your friends in Europe, let them know we're as concerned as they, and their moral support means a great deal to us all.  We are not this administration, and they do not represent us.  Viele danke.

      "Fighting Fascism is Always Cool." -- Amsterdam Weekly, volume three, issue 18 (-8.50, -7.23)

      by Noor B on Tue Aug 21, 2007 at 09:25:48 AM PDT

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  •  Atkinson's piece will kill U.S. soldiers. (4+ / 0-)
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    Iraqis are bound to find out what he wrote, and, when they do, it will confirm their worst suspicions about Americans' intentions.

    The influence of the [executive] has increased, is increasing, and ought to be diminished.

    by lysias on Tue Aug 21, 2007 at 04:25:00 AM PDT

  •  Craziest? (2+ / 0-)
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    This is the craziest thing I've ever read.

    On the other hand....

    How crazy is it that the Democrats have rolled over on legislation to "legalize" crimes that have already been committed by Georgie and Dickie and their criminal cabal?  How crazy is it that neoCons have glorified the Cult of Bush, the most unintelligible and unintelligent "man" ever to hold the office of president?

    How crazy is it that our Congress Critters have passed unconstitutional legislation like the Patriot Acts, The Military Commissions Act of 2006, the FISA 'fixes' that were unnecessary, have continued to finance Georgie's and Dickie's illegal war in Iraq, all of which have enabled them to form a de facto dictatorship already?

    How crazy was it that Congress didn't stop the illegal (war crime, per Geneva Convention) and unconstitutional invasion of Iraq after Hans Blix and the UN inspectors repeatedly told Congress there were NO WMDs in Iraq?  Even Lamestream Media bobble head shows featured Hans Blix and the UN inspectors repeatedly saying there were NO WMDs in Iraq.  Yet the war was started anyway, and even the UN didn't stop Georgie and Dickie.

    How crazy is it that Georgie and Dickie and their criminal cabal sanctioned torture and imprisoning people who have never been charged with any crimes...on a US military base in Guantanamo, no less?  What laws apply at US military bases, whether on US soil or on foreign soil?  How crazy is it that Congress Critters of both political parties have still not been screaming daily for those horrors to stop?

    How crazy is it that members of the various investigative committees have shuffled papers and begged and pleaded for cooperation with their investigations and there has been no holding people accountable for obstructing justice, no impeachments, no inherent contempt charges...?

    How crazy is it that when Georgie claimed 'unitary executive' privileges never granted any president in the Constitution that no one stopped him?  At every step along the way during these last six and a half years, I've expected Congress, as a whole, to stop all of the illegal excesses and claims of 'unitary executive' power and nullify executive orders and signing statements.  Yet no one's stopped them.

    That's just the short list of crimes and abuses of power they've gotten away with... and no one we have elected to Congress has stopped them to save the republic in our names!  Why?

    At every step along the way when yet another crazy notion has been proposed and talked about seriously, I've thought "They won't let him get by with that, surely!"  And I've been wrong... and horrified... at every step of the way.  No one has stopped them or the horror they've caused with their illegal, unconstitutional, unethical, immoral, and dishonorable behavior.

    How many years has it been since people wearing tin foil hats have wondered if Georgie and Dickie will use some trumped-up excuse to cancel '08 elections and declare martial law, thus making themselves dictators-in-fact?

    Why aren't the extra powers Georgie and Dickie have been claiming election issues?  Why are almost all candidates of both parties still waffling about Iraq, using Georgie's and Dickie's talking points about staying there, thus validating all the extraordinary powers and illegal activities of the current "leaders" and their administration, and not making impeachment an issue?

    Crazy?  Yes, the notion of installing the most fucked up (p)resident we've ever had the misfortune to be stuck with as dictator for life is just absolutely batshit crazy!  Just as crazy as the last six and a half years of illegal activities and abuses of power, which means that it's just crazy enough to be a possibility, only because someone wrote the words and put ideas in someone's head....

    Note to self:  Buy more tin foil.

    "War is contempt for life." To Youth/Nordahl Grieg

    by NonnyO on Tue Aug 21, 2007 at 06:26:00 AM PDT

    •  When you put it that way,,,,, (3+ / 0-)
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      Yeah, our outrage meters are getting a definite work-out.

      I don't have an answer, Nonny.  I wish I understood why so much of this has been greeted with yawns, or just mildly raised eyebrows.  I keep thinking about that metaphor of the frogs in a pot on the stove.  We're being boiled slowly.  

      Maybe I should redirect my job search overseas.....  just sayin'.

      "Fighting Fascism is Always Cool." -- Amsterdam Weekly, volume three, issue 18 (-8.50, -7.23)

      by Noor B on Tue Aug 21, 2007 at 09:29:29 AM PDT

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      •  The biggest MYSTERY (1+ / 0-)
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        ...for me is not knowing WHY the Dems have consistently rolled over and enabled this criminal administration at EVERY turn since the SCOTUS decision of 2000.  ALWAYS!  All we get is unbelievably lame excuses as to why no one is holding the administration accountable for their many, many lies, war crimes, and high crimes and misdemeanors....

        My outrage and frustration meters have maxed out and I'm about to blow a gasket.

        That Leahy did nothing about the ignored subpoenas rankles, and that's just today.  And Leahy is one of the senators for whom I used to have an inordinate amount of respect.  His speeches begging for leaving habeas corpus alone during the debates before the MCA '06 vote brought me to tears.

        If you're young... yes, by all means, look for something overseas.  I think it's gonna get a whole lot worse here before it ever has a chance of getting better - and it can't get better until the citizens who are not political junkies start paying attention to anything other than who won on some reality show.  If I were young and in a position to do so, I'd have had my passport and a one-way ticket out of here years ago.

        Note to self: buy a lottery ticket.

        "War is contempt for life." To Youth/Nordahl Grieg

        by NonnyO on Tue Aug 21, 2007 at 09:46:37 AM PDT

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  •  There is an interesting email (1+ / 0-)
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    Noor B

    conversation between Atkinson and Stephen Webster posted on the Gonzo Muckracker.

    PS: Sorry if this was linked to already - 'tis my first post here ;-)

    •  It's up above, and you're right, (1+ / 0-)
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      it's interesting, in the Chinese sense of the word.

      "Fighting Fascism is Always Cool." -- Amsterdam Weekly, volume three, issue 18 (-8.50, -7.23)

      by Noor B on Tue Aug 21, 2007 at 09:32:06 AM PDT

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