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Perhaps in response to the Dick Cheney-mandated rightwing PR blitzkrieg to sell Americans on the efficacy and necessity of extending the Iraq war into Iran, the folks at the American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research have announced a book forum at the Wohlstetter Conference Center in DC on Monday, September 10, which is also the first day of testimony regarding the results of splurge of blood and bucks in Iraq.

On hand will be none other than Michael Ledeen, he of the "faster, please" school of overthrowing the government of Tehran. He'll be touting, perhaps reading a couple of excerpts from, his new book - The Iranian Time Bomb: The Mullah Zealots' Quest for Destruction, a title he's been employing on various columns for more than five years.

As Glenn Greenwald pointed out at Wednesday: "Simply put, there is no more ridiculous, deceitful, untrustworthy and just outright laughable political figure of influence than Michael Ledeen." And that's being kind.

The list of Ledeen's idiocies - and, I might add, behavior that in a just world would be subject to prosecution - is too long to repeat here, although any interested reader unacquainted with the man would do well to check out emptywheel's Michael Ledeen's "Wilderness of Mirrors".

One item, however, is worth repeating. Last November, Greenwald (with me in a walk-on role) noted that Ledeen had been brazenly lying when he became one of the first of the revisionists to claim that he had never urged the invasion of Iraq. Worth repeating because of what Ledeen said in his "Tick, Tock" interview with Kathryn Jean Lopez at the National Review Online over this past Labor Day weekend:

Lopez: Why should I think "Iran" when I hear "al Qaeda"?

Ledeen: Because they've been working together since 1994, and we are now up to our uvulas in evidence showing Iran's support for al Qaeda in Iraq. The 9/11 Commission -- as Tom Joscelyn has written for years -- found striking evidence of the al Qaeda/Iran partnership, starting with the sensational discovery that Imad Mughniyah, the operational chief of Hezbollah, was on the plane that took some of the 9/11 terrorists out of Saudi Arabia, en route to the Twin Towers and the Pentagon.

Lopez: So does bin Laden and crew work for Iran? Have they always?

Ledeen: I don't know about "always." Certainly they have worked closely with Iran for quite a while. I think the Iranian domination of al Qaeda started when we destroyed al Qaeda in Afghanistan. The key leaders ran to Iran and have mostly been there ever since.

Lopez: Was Iran involved in 9/11?

Ledeen: I don't know. It's possible, but certainly unproven. The most tantalizing factoid is the story of Ramzi bin al Shibh, the logistics officer for the 9/11 operation. He went to Iran for a month in late December, 2000, and then he returned to Iran less than a week before 9/11.

Sly that Michael is. Remarks like his - only without the "unproven" part - will certainly be part of the final propaganda barrage if the day does come when the Cheney-Bush cabal chooses to lay down some bombs on Iran. They can then cite the language from the Authorization to Use Military Force passed on September 18, 2001, to wit:

Section 2 - Authorization For Use of United States Armed Forces

(a) IN GENERAL- That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.

Joining Ledeen Monday for the book forum will be former CIA director R. James Woolsey and General Jack Keane, U.S. Army (retired), the latter, with NeoCon Fred Kagan, one of the inventors of the "surge" in Iraq.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 12:18 AM PDT.

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  •  A gathering of blood soaked shit heads. (8+ / 0-)


    by Intercaust on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 12:21:59 AM PDT

    •  From under what rock do these creatures come (3+ / 0-)

      from?  I'm diasappointed in Woolsey, who can at times be very forward looking as he was in the recent DiCaprio movie on climate change--"11th Hour".
      He seemed to have all the progressive points of view on that matter. Hopefully, he'll be there to offer some putdown of Kagan and Ledeen.

      •  Woolsey? You jest. He's a deep-fried ... (15+ / 0-)

        ...NeoCon, one of the original members of the Project for a New American Century, and a member of the Committee on the Present Danger along with Joe Lieberman, Jon Kyl, Candace De Russy, Midge Decter (wife of Norman Podhoretz), and others.

        "When shifting paradigms, it is important to put in the clutch." -- Patricia Limerick

        by Meteor Blades on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 12:58:51 AM PDT

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        •  Thanx for the enlightenment--missed that on (2+ / 0-)
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          Woolsey.  Misread him brecause of his positive stance on climate change.

          •  All were united with the Neo-Cons in Congress (8+ / 0-)

            Every one voted for the Authorization to Use Military Force passed on September 18, 2001.

            Except One. Barbara Lee spoke on 9/14/2001.


            ...September 11 changed the world. Our deepest fears now haunt us. Yet I am convinced that military action will not prevent further acts of international terrorism against the United States.

            I know that this use of force resolution will pass although we all know that the President can wage war even without this resolution. However difficult this vote may be, some of us must urge the use of restraint. There must be some of us who say, let's step back for a moment and think through the implications of our actions today let us more fully understand their consequences.

            We are not dealing with a conventional war. We cannot respond in a conventional manner. I do not want to see this spiral out of control. This crisis involves issues of national security, foreign policy, public safety, intelligence gathering, economics, and murder. Our response must be equally multifaceted.

            We must not rush to judgment. For too many innocent people have already died. Our country is in mourning. If we rush to launch a counterattack, we run too great a risk that woman, children, and other non-combatants will be caught in the crossfire. ...
            I have agonized over this vote. But I came to grips with it in the very painful yet beautiful memorial service today at the National Cathedral. As a member of the clergy so eloquently said, " As we act, let us not become the evil that we deplore."

            It's an oil war, stupid car driver.

            by carlos oaxaca on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 02:42:39 AM PDT

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  •  I may be a night owl (13+ / 0-)

    but I can tell an idiot when I see one.

    Leeden is an idiot.

    Bin Laden is a Sunni extremist. Iran has a Shia government

    "If impeachment is off the table, so is democracy." -teacherken

    by offgrid on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 12:24:16 AM PDT

    •  We night owls are awake ... (9+ / 0-)

      ...and alert!

      "When shifting paradigms, it is important to put in the clutch." -- Patricia Limerick

      by Meteor Blades on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 12:26:52 AM PDT

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      •  Love your sig line! nt (2+ / 0-)
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        "If impeachment is off the table, so is democracy." -teacherken

        by offgrid on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 12:31:24 AM PDT

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      •  Another night owl answering rollcall! (from (3+ / 0-)
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        Hawai'i at midnight!)

        What continues to have me scratching my head: How come people like Doug Feith, Ledeen, Kagans, Kristols, etc., ad nauseum -- can fool so many, prosper, grow rich, sleep untroubled slumber, AND
        send the children of other families into the very jaws of hell?!

        I just don't get it!!

        As an atheist, I can't even rely on a justice that will ultimately be meted out to such butchers as these!!

        Aloha .. .. ..

        •  This is puzzling (3+ / 0-)
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          But I think they still slime away because their side has all the money.  They started out with a large percentage of the country's wealth and they have accumulated more.  I don't think I could actually look at Kagan in person, I think my eyes would burn out of their sockets.  Any neocon using the word "uvula"  makes you want to puke too.

          "Do you want to tumble? Let's tumble." Stephen Colbert

          by tobendaro on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 04:32:20 AM PDT

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      •  Thanks for frontpaging this, MB! (1+ / 0-)
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        Even if some of us weren't around in the wee hours when it was fresh.

        "Tyrone, you know how much I love watching you work, but I've wedding to arrange, my wife to murder and Guilder to frame for it; I'm swamped."

        by Rusty Pipes on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 11:48:51 AM PDT

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    •  This distinction is so basic (3+ / 0-)

      I can't believe these idiots are going to try to sell sworn enemies as allies against us.

      Ledeen thinks WE"RE the idiots!

      Seems like Bushco takes Bin Laden's side every chance they get.



      •  Syria reports shooting at Israeli jets (3+ / 0-)
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        Now fly-bys by the Israeli air force over Damascus is nothing new; during some of the tensions with Hamas immediately after the kidnapping of the IDF soldier in Gaza, the Israeli air force even buzzed the royal palace just to let everyone know there is nowhere to hide.

        However, despite the pasting the Syrians took the last time they took on the Israeli air force, losing most of their planes and 3/4 of their AA batteries, the fact that they are feeling feisty again means they either they respect Israel less or the Israelis are coming closer and closer to being a threat to Syria's sovereignty in Hussein's eyes than they used to be.

        Leeden and Perles et al since the second Lebanese Incursion have been pushing the Likudniks to sponsor an invasion of Syria to take them out for once and for all as a threat.

        On the other hand, though Israel is allowed to do pretty much as it pleases with Lebanon, I still do not see the other Arab states being able to sit by and let Isreal start regime change in the region based on their own perceived national security interests.  If first Syria, then will Leeden, Perles and Wolfie see Jordan or Egypt as other countries ripe for change or maybe even Turkey?

        An Israeli attack on Syria could be a prelude to an American attack on Iran to protect the Israeli flank. Just thinking but if the Second Lebanese Incursion had gone much better and Hizbullah had been routed and driven back into the northernmost portions of Lebanon, would Iran have intervened, maybe with proxy Syria or would GWB have launched a preemptive invasion to protect Israel?  

        •  I doubt the Israelis would be so crazy (1+ / 0-)
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          as to attack Syria.  Because they have to live in the area.  Eventually the US will go home, even if it takes an absurdly long time.  But Israel has to stay there, and they got whooped last time into Lebanon.  They would not voluntarily start a war with Syria.  Or Iran, frankly.  

          the US, on the other hand...

  •  We haven't picked up a country (11+ / 0-)

    and thrown it against a wall since 2003.  Time to show the word we mean business.  

    The Ledeen Doctrine, so coined by Jonah Goldberg, back in April 2002.  link

    Just a "factoid" worth noting.

    Small varmints, if you will.

    by 2lucky on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 12:30:00 AM PDT

  •  Ledeen isn't even a skilled liar... (9+ / 0-)

    That is the most tantalizing factoid, that al Shibh went to Iran for a month once?

    The thing is, we know Iran had some slight connections with al-Qaeda, but all of those were before al-Qaeda became al-Qaeda.  We know that bin Laden had contact with Hezbollah in 1992, via Abu Hajer.  And we know via al-Qaeda's double agent that Iran gave al-Zawahiri's group al-Jihad $2 million to finance a coup against the Egyptian government in 1990.  And then we know that al-Zawahiri bailed on the plan, fled Egypt, and that is when he attached what was left of his organization to bin Laden, with the problem of having just run out of Iran.

    And he's peddling some trip?

    The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it. ~ H.L. Mencken

    by Jay Elias on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 12:30:07 AM PDT

    •  The double agent... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...was Ali Mohammed.  Sorry I forget to name him.

      The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it. ~ H.L. Mencken

      by Jay Elias on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 12:30:49 AM PDT

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    •  We also know that there are at least (4+ / 0-)
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      Three groups that operate under the general rubric of "Warriors of God" (TM) or Hizbullah or its spelling variants.  Given that our media cannot even keep al Qaeda (original formula) straight with the local version al Qaeda in Iraq, is there any hope that they can keep the different extremist groups straight even with score cards?

  •  Ledeen = the 7 of diamonds... (7+ / 0-)

    in the deck of Chickenhawk Cards...

    If you've got 4 other diamonds, Ledeen will make you a flush, but that's about the only good thing I can say about him...

  •  And if Leeden has money on the Steelers next (8+ / 0-)

    Sunday, then al Qaeda works for the other team.

    We get the idea.

  •  And where are the D.C. Democrats? (3+ / 0-)
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    Will they stand up to George W. Bush (for the first time since he took office), or will they hide under their desks in a fetal position for fear of being accused of being "weak on national security"?

    I have a good idea of how these sad-sack solons will behave. They're 0-for-this-administration.

    "A writer is somebody for whom writing is more difficult than it is for other people."--Thomas Mann

    by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 12:40:51 AM PDT

    •  A suggestion (7+ / 0-)

      Not that these Dems have shown much collective spine or brains (individually, some certainly have), but the fact still remains that this is a REPUBLICAN war and that its persistence is largely a REPUBLICAN doing. Dems are just enabling their war, but it's still THEIR war. So I suggest we start piling on the other side, since we're not likely to make inroads with the folks on our side. They're just over a year away from a likely electoral catastrophe, and I've got to believe that they're beginning to crap their pants no matter how cohesive they appear to be in public. We need to ramp up the pressure on them, not the Dems. The more of them buckle, the more likely the Dems will start to show some "spine". We need to forget about doing this "right", and start doing it "smart", and I think that focusing on the GOP is how to do that. It's THEIR war. Let's remind everyone of that.

      •  The spineless Dems (0+ / 0-)

        Has it come to this, that the Dems, who were voted in to rescue us from the nightmare the neo-cons and their enablers have foisted on us, now need us to help them help us? There was some talk, right before the '06 elections that some of the Dem candidates were DINO's, but it was a matter of getting the seats; we would worry about their voting slant when we came to that bridge. Well, it looks like another bridge that might be on the verge of collapse.

        It's like they're using a baseball bat upside the noggin to wake us from the nightmare.

  •  Opening round of war with Iran? (13+ / 0-)

    From Israel's Ha'Aretz newspaper (not a neocon rag but a repected news outlet, btw):

    Last update - 09:16 07/09/2007    
    U.S. refuses to comment on Syria's claim of Israeli airstrike
    By Yoav Stern, Haaretz Correspondent, and Agencies  

    The United States would not comment on Thursday on Syria's charge that it fired at Israel Air Force aircraft that violated its airspace in the early hours of the day.

    Asked about Damascus claim that the aircraft flew over Syria and dropped munitions within its territory, White House spokesman Tony Fratto said, "decline to comment."

    State Department spokesman Tom Casey said he had seen news reports of Syria's accusation but that there was nothing to substantiate them.
    Iran blasted Israel on Thursday over Syria's claims accusing Jerusalem of "spreading insecurity" in the Middle East.
    Iran's ambassador to Damascus had contacted Syrian security officials and said that "Iran is ready to provide every kind of assistance to Syria," the official IRNA news agency reported.

    Russia, meanwhile, called on Israel to respect international law and expressed "extreme concern" over the reported incident.

    "The reports have caused extreme concern in Moscow," the Russian foreign ministry said in a statement.

    Israeli violating Syrian air space, Syria firing at Israeli planes, Iran making accusations and threats and offering to help Syria, Russia expressing extreme concern, the US adopting an official "no comment" policy, interlocking security agreements, high tensions, provacative foreign policies, attacks on Iran urged by leading neocons. This does not look good. It's like the people in power want to start another WWI. I didn't much care for the original and would just as soon avoid a repeat, thank you, whatever unmet childhood needs certain batshit crazy pantywaists seem hell-bent on fulfilling before they're through, human costs be damned. Just look at the array of players in this next clusterfuck. Almost none of them have served in the military let alone been in combat, yet they insist on playing GI Joe--with other peoples' kids.

    This is just starting to heat up.

    •  Assuming, of course... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...that anything like this actually happened.

      I highly doubt Israel would comment whether or not this ever took place.

      The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it. ~ H.L. Mencken

      by Jay Elias on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 02:40:07 AM PDT

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      •  The Syrians claim that they have videos (1+ / 0-)
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        And Ha'Aretz supposedly had a copy, although I didn't click on it. And Israel didn't comment on it, as the article indicated. But if if didn't happen, why didn't they deny it? They usually do when something has been made up. "No comment" tends to mean "It happened but I'm not going to confirm or say anything about it".

        •  Well... (6+ / 0-)

 the Ha'aretz site, it appears there is some sort of video (my computer doesn't play them well).  And Science, Sport and Culture Minister Ghaleb Majadele has now said that the IAF regularly enter Syrian airspace, which is the first comment anyone has, although I can't imagine it is an approved statement.

          But the reason you don't deny it is so that when you are accused of something, it is advantageous to be able to sow doubt whether or not you did it.  Put it this way: suppose this incident didn't take place, but other incursions into Syrian airspace do.  Or the plane was there, but they know it didn't drop any "munition" and it is to their advantage to not admit one thing is true while the other is false.

          In other words, you can sow uncertainty and confusion if you never openly admit to anything said being true or untrue.  Deny everything, and then no one will know which denials are real, and which ones aren't.

          Israel still officially "no comments" about whether they have nuclear weapons.  Most people's cats know Israel has nuclear weapons.

          The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it. ~ H.L. Mencken

          by Jay Elias on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 03:16:17 AM PDT

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          •  I understand the general principle (5+ / 0-)

            but considering the specific circumstances of what's going on with Syria and Iran, not denying this seems to indicate that either it happened, or that Israel wants to create the impression that it does this sort of thing, which, under the circumstances, seems inflammatory to a situation that needs no more inflammation. Of course, there is every reason to believe that Olmert WANTS to inflame this situation, to create a Casus Belli.

            The whole thing seems quite odd and disturbing to me, since it coincides with the post-Labor Day rollout of the Cheney "Let's Bomb Iran Now!" campaign.

            And my sister's cat mysteriously died last summer after a very brief illness. Maybe it knew something that it shouldn't have known? My family's originally from Israel.

            •  Or... (4+ / 0-)
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              ...Israel is, as we know, engaged in some form of negotiations with Syria and this is an attempt to get some sort of concession from Israel on that subject.  Or, this is yet another attempt by Syria to create an international incident which will lead to the stoppage of the UN inquiry into the Hariri assassination.  Or, and this is now utterly wild speculation on my part, but it could be a way of Iran and Syria warning Israel (and the US) that they can detect attempts to covertly send an airstrike towards Iran.

              For that matter, even if we took it to be true that this event did take place exactly as described, there is no way to even be confident that this happened yesterday.  It could have happen at lots of points in time, based on the information we have.  Syria might only now have found the proof of it.  Syria could have been sitting on it and saving it for now for some reason.  All those things are as plausible as this being related to a "bomb Iran now" campaign.

              I'm not saying this to try and paint Israel in a good light; I'm fairly sure that Israel does violate Syrian airspace all the time.  And there is no good reason to believe it did not happen as Syria has stated.  There is just also no good reason that I've seen to believe that it did.

              The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it. ~ H.L. Mencken

              by Jay Elias on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 03:43:10 AM PDT

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            •  Poor pootie!! n/t (0+ / 0-)
          •  ALL pooties owned by Kossacks know fer (2+ / 0-)
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            sure (that Israel has nukes).

            Aloha .. .. ..

    •  Wiping Israel off the Map (0+ / 0-)

      What do you think President Ahmadinejad really means when he has stated that his express goal is to wipe Israel off the map?

      Do you think this might cause the Israelis to take pre-emptive action against Iran if the international community fails to find a solution?  

      Do you see any similarity with their unilateral decision to bomb Iraq's nuclear facilities in the 1980s?

      •  He never put it in such terms (4+ / 0-)
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        My understanding is that he said that it would be best if Israel didn't exist, but he didn't say that Iran would do this. And so what if he did say it? Is Israel supposed to bomb the hell out of every tinpot dictator who says crazy stuff?

        That is the whole basis for the GOP's claim that "If we don't fight them over there, we'll fight them over here", and risk having all of western civilization destroyed by them just because they said that they want to do it. I'd like to believe that Israel's leadership is smart and disciplined enough to not take the bait. I'm not encouraged that it is.

        Their policy, like the administration's, is totally reactive, immensely stupid, and very dangerous, IMO, focusing almost entirely on short-term military solutions to what can only be solved via long-term political, diplomatic and economic processes (backed up, of course, by a powerful military, but used ONLY when absolutely necessary, and not hastily due to the chickehawkish chest-beating of stupid pantywaist leaders).

        •  You left out" Bedwetting!"! n/t (0+ / 0-)
        •  If they will follow us home (0+ / 0-)

          why are we letting our soldiers come home? Watching an SF movie the other day where troops were sent into battle knowing that they would not be able to return home or else betray the location of their homeworld.

          So now I am left to wonder if the insurgents will follow us home, shouldn't Homeland Security set up more filters to pick up these strays or is the GOP saying the insurgents can't read a flight schedule and have to follow one of our guys home to know where we are?  

      •  That is a disputed interpretation (1+ / 0-)
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        Juan Cole had a very good rundown on the various interpretations and which ones were the least likely.

        Juan's major point was that the misunderstanding is of the same sort as Americans understood Khrushev's statement at the UN when he told the US "We will bury you".  A similar level of concern was raised years later when Mao, in commenting on Taiwan (and Hong Kong as well I think) said it was inevitable that China would reclaim its property.

        Despite the anxiety and the immediate reaction of SAC that a Russian/ Chinese invasion was going to hit beautiful downtown Burbank, Khrushev's statement in context, meant that Communism was going to outlast Capitalism (and Capitalism is supposed to evolve into Communism) as a historical inevitabilty.  No T-34s rolling over the Polish plains to Berlin.  Just a translation taken out of context (like Jimmy Carter lusting after Polish people) and it appears he was wrong in any case.
        Mao meant that, given the population and resources of China, Taiwan would eventually be reabsorbed back into the mainland even if such conquest would be de facto and probably economic.  Hong Kong provides the best model of what he had in mind.

        Long way around,Ahmadinejhad said that Israel is not a viable national unit, relying on foreign subsidies to exist and being an alien culture transplanted into an area where it had little history.  His statement was meant to convey that Israel as a Jewish nation is doomed, due to geography and demographics.  Sharon acknowledged as much when he withdrew IDF forces from Gaza and began his Security Wall. Also noted was that, given the difference in birth rates between Israeli Arabs and Israeli Jews, the Jewish population could be a minority within 50 years, depending upon immigration. Interestingly enough, in the past year, some of the Lost Tribes of Israel have been discovered in remote Tribal Areas of India and these groups have been granted a Right of Return to Israel, much as the Ethiopian group did years ago.        

        •  What a very pretty, twisty route you've taken... (0+ / 0-)
          "We ask the West to remove what they created sixty years ago and if they do not listen to our recommendations, then the Palestinian nation and other nations will eventually do this for them."

          "Israel is a rotten, dried tree that will be annihilated in one storm."

          "Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury."

          In regard to Mr. Cole, I think I'll allow Christopher Hitchens to make my point for me:

    •  Putin should know the Likud lunatics (1+ / 0-)
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      since it appears the Israeli Lieberman has taken over the reins of that party.  He is the Russian emigre who supports a "Greater Israel", reinvesting IDF troops into Gaza, building more settlements on the West Bank and, oh yes, expelling all the Palestinians to Jordan or Syria since there was no country until Israel was founded so all Arabs have to be citizens of neighboring states.

      He has some more ideas along the lines of Putin's point of view as to what constitutes urban renewal in Chechnya.  

      •  Well, there WAS no country there before Israel (0+ / 0-)

        but that justifies expelling Palestinians and denying them a state like the non-existance of American Indian countries before Europeans arrived justified our genocide and destruction of their tribes. Lieberman is a dangerous and crazy crackpot who unfortunately has a large constituency in Israel, as have his ideoligical predecessors in the Likud, and before it the Herut party and the "Revisionist/Jabotinsky" movement, such as Begin (until he became prime minister and turned pragmatic, an example that his successors have sadly failed to adopt), which advocated a trans-Jordanian Jewish state. Ech. I can't stand these people.

  •  The Beatles in film (1+ / 0-)
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    A Hard Day's Night (1964)
    Help! (1965)
    Magical Mystery Tour (1967)
    Yellow Submarine (1968)
    Let It Be (1970)


    cross-posted at

  •  Stop calling him an idiot. (6+ / 0-)

    He's an accomplished war criminal, out for more blood.  He's propagandizing, he's not being stupid.  He lies, peddles half truths, that's what he does.  Woolsey too.  He's not an idiot.  He doesn't really think Iran is months away from having a nuclear bomb.  He is just saying that to hype up the fear so that his neocon cronies can get the bombs to start dropping.  It's that simple.  Stop letting these war criminals off the hook.

    "There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible. But in the end they always fall. Think of it. Always." -- Mahatma Gandhi

    by duha on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 12:52:46 AM PDT

  •  Maybe I'm f*ckin' up, but.. (2+ / 0-)
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    I'm having satellite TV installed today. (in China)

    I had it once before but threw the damn thing in the closet during The Natalie Halloway Saga.

    It's a pirated  signal from the Phillipines (I know, stealing cable is a crime, sue me) and has BBC, CNN International and other foreign news outlets.  FAUX used to be on their menu but has been replaced by The Karaoke Channel or something. Other channels: HBO, Discovery, National Geo..standard stuff.

    Anyway, I'm not sure if I really want TV in my life again, but it can always go back in the closet .

    Tellin' you all the Zomby troof Here I'm is...

    by Zwoof on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 12:54:56 AM PDT

  •  I always wonder what the hell Fred Kagan (3+ / 0-)

    has done to qualify him to plan military policy.  Though he was an assistant Professor of Military History at West Point for a while.

    Here is a link with his ever so brief Bio at AEI.  Have a look at his picture.  Normally I don't mock peoples looks, but this guys writings just don't jibe with that fat pasty-face mug.  He does write one hell of an exciting operations plan that sounds as if it were written by Tom Clancy. Perhaps it's that Kagan is the commanding general of the 101st Keyboard Division.

    My hunch is if the real military leaders and planners could do with him what they wish, he would be in Abu Gahrib with Lindy England as his keeper.

    •  He has a permanent VRWC scholarship (3+ / 0-)
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      These board-game think-tank hawks have been subsidized by right-wing sugar daddies (read David Brock's "The Republican Noise Machine").

      Anyone? Harry Reid?

      "A writer is somebody for whom writing is more difficult than it is for other people."--Thomas Mann

      by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 01:11:02 AM PDT

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    •  He is certainly not someone (1+ / 0-)
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      whom you would want in the foxhole next to you.

      War, war, war 'til the congress takes his funding away!

      by straycatinpdx on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 02:07:15 AM PDT

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    •  No (1+ / 0-)
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      I don't think that he would even make it to Abu Gahrib.

      War, war, war 'til the congress takes his funding away!

      by straycatinpdx on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 02:09:02 AM PDT

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    •  Perhaps Kagan relies on Clancy and (1+ / 0-)
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      Le Carre for inspiration!  Would explain alot of things!!

      Aloha .. .. ..

    •  Looking over his CV and digging through (0+ / 0-)

      his stints at various think tanks and various grants, it appears he has depended on the generosity of his father's buddies to sustain him.
      While his bio lacks certain data, such as DOB or POB or any number of other interesting facts, he received his BA in Russian Studies in 1991 which would put his DOB as 1969 or so.
      So he is about 38 years old and held his first professorial post in 1995. So he went straight from highschool to his BA and thence to his PhD and there to teaching military theory and policy.

      So he is sort of like Napoleon, only in reverse, whereby Napoleon received his schooling on the battlefield, this guy received his battle experience in school.

      Bet he thinks of the military as sets of units instead of as individuals with plans, hopes, dreams, aspirations and families.

  •  Ledeen claimed no less than 15 times... (8+ / 0-)

    publicly that the 2005 Iranian elections were "rigged" and invalid so to legitimize Rafsanjani's rise to power as a democratic event. The night of the elections, he cited false MEK numbers that "only 4%" of the population had voted and all the official numbers will be lies that show Rafsanjani had overwhelming support.

    After Rafsanjani lost, he said the Mullahs had anticipated people like himself and were putting on a show to fool western observers. Therefore, we should take them out as soon as possible...

    This from a guy who arrange to sell weapons to a much more radical set of Iranian Mullahs:

    Ledeen was involved in the biggest foreign policy scandal of the Ronald Reagan administration. As a consultant of National Security Adviser Robert C. McFarlane, Ledeen vouched for Iranian intermediary Manucher Ghorbanifar, and met with Israeli Prime Minister Shimon Peres, and officials of the Israeli Foreign Ministry and the CIA to arrange meetings with high-ranking Iranian officials and the much-criticized weapons-for-hostages deal with Iran that would become known as the Iran-Contra scandal.

    Michael Ledeen doesn't know shit. He's a fraud, a shyster and a walking scumbag disguised as an Iran "expert."

    The possibility of this asshole being taken seriously by anyone in power is the true national security threat to this country.

    •  Moreover, it should be noted ... (5+ / 0-)

      ...that he met again with Ghorbanifar some 50 times after September 11, according to Ghorbanifar in an interview with the redoubtable Laura Rozen. Of course, it's Ghorbanifar making this claim, and if there is any bigger bullshitter than Ledeen, it's he.

      "When shifting paradigms, it is important to put in the clutch." -- Patricia Limerick

      by Meteor Blades on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 01:33:36 AM PDT

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    •  Interesting development (3+ / 0-)
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      Rafsanjani, who was defeated by Ahmadenijad for the presidency in the last election,  was just elected to head the Council of Experts.  His opponent was a way radical islamist dude.  

      Psst, Michael, MEK is not such a good source of unbiased Intel.....Just sayin'.

      Those who hear not the music-think the dancers mad

      by Eiron on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 03:03:37 AM PDT

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      •  MEK operatives make many incursions into (1+ / 0-)
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        Iran each month and, if we believe the Iranians, so do the Kurds so maybe al Qaeda is meeting with MEK (a Wahabiist tying in with a Marxist organization makes sense) or maybe with the Kurds so that the American weapons being used for attacks on Turkish police stations by dissident Kurds were supplied by al Qaeda to confuse US intelligence.

        hey, once you get past not having to have proof or having to even make sense, you can have some real fun with this and maybe even turn a mendacious hobby into a profession.

    •  NOW I remember why I detested Ledeen! n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    •  Leeden could have told the truth to greater effec (0+ / 0-)

      that any slate of candidates has to be approved by the Mullahs and they always make sure that theologically approved candidates outnumber the secular ones.  This is a longstanding complaint of opposition parties and is a reflection of Shi'asm as interpreted by Khomeini.
      On the other hand, GWB insured that Rafsanjani and his moderate coalition (the neocons also have him pegged as a wild eyed madman riding a nuke down into downtown Tel Aviv but he is a moderate for his environment) would be defeated when GWB attacked the Mullahs and Iran with his "Axis of Evil" speech which was a completely gratitous swipe at Iran which was seeking some sort of reapprochement but guaranteed a fundamentalists backlash among the Iranian voters.
      GWB needed a devil to validate his plans for Iraq and Iran was a convenient devil for him to invoke.

  •  Justice Dept looking out for us----NOT!!! (3+ / 0-)

    The Justice Department said yesterday that Internet service providers should be allowed to charge extra for priority Web traffic.

    The agency told the Federal Communications Commission, which is reviewing high-speed Internet practices, that it is opposed to network neutrality, the principle that all Internet sites should be equally accessible to any Web user.

    Screw us again!!


  •  So (1+ / 0-)
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    "US force levels in Iraq swell to all-time high  
    Sep 6 06:21 PM US/Eastern

    US force levels in Iraq have grown to an all-time high of 168,000 troops, a senior Pentagon official said Thursday, as the US administration gears up to defend its surge strategy before Congress.

    Major General Richard Sherlock, director of operational planning for the Joint Staff, said the higher number of troops was the result of overlapping troop deployments.

    The total rose from 162,000 troops, the previous high of the nearly four and a half year old war.

    Sherlock said the arrival of more combat brigades will temporarily push the total to as high as 172,000 over the coming months before it falls back to about 160,000 troops by November or December as other units leave."

    So things are going so well in Iraq now that we need more troops to keep the peace, what little there is of it, as we needed for the very successful invasion.

    Gots to be some kind of bloody record.

    War, war, war 'til the congress takes his funding away!

    by straycatinpdx on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 02:05:33 AM PDT

  •  Nuking US would be BAD (0+ / 0-)

    What if Iran REALLY DOES want to nuke the United States and Israel?

    Doesn't this worry anyone?

    Shouldn't western leaders be considering options to deal with Iran if this truly is the case?

  •  Iran and al-Qaeda collaborating??? (4+ / 0-)
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    This notion is especially absurd for anyone who's read Lawrence Wright's The Looming Tower, one of the best histories of bin Laden and al-Qaeda prior to 9/11.  Wright makes the point that bin Laden, after taking refuge in Sudan, had a major falling-out with that country's strongman, also a radical Islamist, because the latter believed that their common goal of re-establising the Caliphate first required healing the rift between Sunnis and Shiites.  ObL reacted violently against such a proposal, suggesting that anyone who thought Sunnis should co-exist with Shiites wasn't a "true Muslim."  It was enough to cause bin Laden to begin a campaign of verbal attacks against his erstwhile patron, resulting in him having to flee Sudan for Afghanistan.

    So, in the mind of bin Laden, any talk of collaboration with Shiites is tantamount to the betrayal of Islam.  And we're now to believe that he's formed an alliance with the largest Shiite nation in the world?  Nice try, Mikey.

  •  Preposterous (3+ / 0-)
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    linking Al-Q to Iran.  

    It is as if Israel would sell Air defense systems to Iran in a deal brokered US government officials.  

    Secord, Ghorbanafir, Ledeen, they are so '80's.  

    I wonder what Eliot Abrams would say.  

    Those who hear not the music-think the dancers mad

    by Eiron on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 02:59:42 AM PDT

  •  Lets' play "connect the dots"... (4+ / 0-)

    I don't know. It's possible, but certainly unproven. The most tantalizing factoid is the story of Ramzi bin al Shibh, the logistics officer for the 9/11 operation. He went to Iran for a month in late December, 2000, and then he returned to Iran less than a week before 9/11.

    Ramzi going to Iran twice makes Iran part of the 9/11 attacks, about as much as Bush going to Vietnam this year and linking our loss there as a justification to continue his war in Iraq. It's a good thing Rmazi didn't happen to step foot in Russia or China. I don't think they would've appreciated the accusation. He's right about one thing, though: It doesn't prove a thing! Good grief!

    Ok, let's forget about our little game of connect the dots, shall we? Let's just stick to "Lies and Propaganda for Fun and Profit" for $500 billion "Alex (Trebek)" Ledeen.

    08.04.07 It took the Titanic longer to sink than for the 110th Congress to surrender to Bush.

    by ImpeachKingBushII on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 03:22:44 AM PDT

  •  I find the timing: Sept 10/11th obscene!!n/t (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Get the f***ing troll diaries off my website! (1+ / 0-)
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    My favorite website that is....
    {rant on}
      Godammit all why the fuck we can't hide diaries like we can hide comments is way the fuck beyond me.
      Give us the tools or watch us continue to be used, mocked, and abused by people, such as that anti-military diarista today. Proud to see nobody, no body recommended that POS, and the users moderated the hell out of it, yay team orange, but ya can still read it, no matter where you come from.
      If I was bitter and cynical I would say that allowing trouble and controversy sells, but since I'm so fucking level headed and would never make such a foaming at the mouth claim I won't.
       The situation as is mocks the 'user moderated' claim. Ohhhh, somebodies nasty ass comment gets hidden...but you can still read their vile anti military diary!
       If we users can't be trusted to hide diaries I'd rather pay $x a month and farm the job out to Chileans, nobody else is doing it. Subscriptions for grants? Great!  Now give us users a "HIDE THIS DAM DIARY" button, and they'll have a lot more time available. The users won't charge much for the priviledge.
      How the fuck is allowing  these crap diaries helping elect Democrats?

    Give us the "HIDE THIS DIARY" button dammit.
    {rant off}
    oh...and one more thing...
    {rant back on}
    Fuck Michael Ledeen to hell. Thanks for the yellow cake forgeries asshole!  
    {rant off}

    What, is that light in the east? Must be time for bed.

  •  N Korea has offered to let US, Russian and Brit (0+ / 0-)

    experts tour their nuclear facilities as a good will gesture.  GWB responds at APEC meeting, calling for more democracy in Asia, and picked out Burma, China and N. Korea as nations needing to rethink the way they treated their citizens.

    Of course, this bully pulpit diplomacy calls to mind when Iran was seeking reapprochement with this Administration and GWB gave his speech denouncing Iran, Iraq and N. Korea as an "Axis of Evil". Part of the nationalistic backlash in Iran was that relative moderates were ousted from office and we have the current crop of fanatics to deal with now.

    While N Korea certainly has a long way to go in the human rights dept (maybe closing the cigarette factory it and the British Tobacco Company run with slave labor to produce black market cigarettes for sale in China would be a start), at the same time, when the Dear Leader is making concessions, this is no time to start criticizing his shortcomings.
    (Notice GWB has no problem with several former Soviet Republics which have lousy human rights records but provide us with bases/ airfields)

  •  Nearly every C-SPAM caller this morning believes (1+ / 0-)
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    that 9/11 was an inside job!?!?!? Repub line, DEm line, Independent line... almost all of them. Very fascinating!

    Change is inevitable, embrace it.

    by The House on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 04:14:59 AM PDT

  •  Greenspam and Eggs (2+ / 0-)
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    Greenspan points to market 'fear'

    Current financial turmoil is identical to that seen in earlier stock market crashes, Alan Greenspan has warned.

    The ex-Federal Reserve boss compared today's situation to the crash of 1987 and the fallout from the near-demise of Long-Term Capital Management in 1998.

    Anxiety over a global credit squeeze triggered by the US housing slump was driven by "fear", he said in a speech.

    "The human race has never found a way to confront bubbles," he said, alluding to booms suddenly grinding to a halt."

    ..." so to remedy this aspect of human nature I set in motion the subprime lending mess to give humanity another chance to show its balls. I pushed for deregulation of the banking industry, tax cuts for the wealthy, gutting of social programs and free cocaine infusions for the rich..." Admiral Greenspam and Eggs went on..."...and here we are after I created this wonderful bubble with the same old 'oh poor me i may lose my home, oh poor me my kid is losing his teeth and i can't afford dental care', and so on all over again!!! I tell you there is no way to help these ingrates so I guess a major recession will be the cure." The Admiral wandered off with one hand tied to the tight rope walker and the other in his pants.

  •  OH GOODIE ! ! ! TWO missing girl stories for MSM (0+ / 0-)

    Let's see, they will ignore that Betrayus report will be written by the WHite House, they will ignore the dire refugee issues in Iraq, they will ignore the hillarious but pathetic behavior of Bush at APEC (not OPEC, you ass), they will ignore his North Korean Faux pas,


    MSM REJOICES! ! ! !

    In the United States, doing good has come to be, like patriotism, a favorite device of persons with something to sell. - Mencken

    by agnostic on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 05:02:53 AM PDT

  •  Sickening (1+ / 0-)
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    The propaganda has gotten to the sickening level.  Why does anyone give Ledeen a forum?  Why does any member of the media give Richard Perle a megaphone?  Why aren't they held accountable and countered?  They are still out there influencing the public.  

    Publishing stories on the front page, reminding people of just who they are, and what they've done, is a good start.  Everyday there are more people who were not paying attention before, who don't know who/what these guys are.  It's good to have this information fresh, frequent and available right now.  Maybe, just maybe it will provide some kind of counter balance to the roaring wurlitzer.

    "It is time to stop looking for an accomodation with the right. They want none for us." -- Steve Gilliard

    by joanneleon on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 05:10:36 AM PDT

  •  frivolity for kitty lovers (1+ / 0-)
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    The mean kitty song ---

  •  Wohlstetter Conference Center? (1+ / 0-)
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    How f***ing appropriate that they would do this at a place named in honor of a paranoiac who gave rise to the neocons we all know and love today and who was a strong inspiration for Scoop Jackson's efforts to undermine detente, distort CIA and DIA reporting to make it alarmist, and push for a vigorous US forceful diplomacy around the globe.

    Give me ten lines from a good man and I'll find something in there to hang him. - Cardinal Richelieu

    by lgrooney on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 06:31:05 AM PDT

  •  The guy's nuts (1+ / 0-)
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    First, Al Queda is Sunni, allied with Saudi Arabia. The Iranians are Shiite.
    This whole "connect the dots" bullshit is the same damned thing they trotted out in order to invade Iraq. BushCo kept saying Saddam and 9/11 in the same sentence; kept saying that Al Queda was in Iraq, etc., etc. ad infinitum.
    Americans bought it once. Please tell me they're not going to listen again!

    "Keep raisin' hell!" - Molly Ivins---------- "The truth shall set you free, but first it will piss you off!" - Gloria Steinem

    by MA Liberal on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 07:03:15 AM PDT

  •  Dem Leaders "We are all Neocons now" (0+ / 0-)

    Repeat of Iraq before their very eyes and the Dem leaders are prepared to do the same thing - nothing.

  •  Faster, please sez Mr. Ledeen! (0+ / 0-)

    Google it.

    The chickenhawk fascist cauldron is set to a rolling boil by this - Ask Ledeen who forged the Niger Docs - seems we don't know the truth because frankly we can't handle it.

    I can't wait for the new season of American Idol!

    Has Paula Abdul dried out?

    This is the comfort zone for our national interests.

    The founding fathers would be so proud...

    Livin' the Murkin Dream!

    by smartinez on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 08:06:48 AM PDT

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