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US vs. THEM (or Why I Support a UFO Invasion)

Sun Jan 14, 2007 at 08:54:52 AM PDT

Yesterday when I was out and about I heard a very intriguing report on NPR about the ingrained notion of ‘Us vs. Them’. According to neuroscientist Robert Sopolsky, our tendency to create a monolithic, scary THEM could be hard-wired into our brains. If this is fact true, it goes a long way to explaining the most disturbing behavior of humankind...the desire to hate and wage war.

By conducting experiments that presented people with the faces of people from other races, Dr. Sopolsky found the following discouraging reaction occurring in the brain:

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There's a part of the brain called the amygdala that has lots to do with fear and anxiety and aggression. Functional brain imaging studies of humans show that the amygdala becomes metabolically active when we look at a scary face (even when the face is flashed up so quickly that we aren't consciously aware of seeing it). And some recent work—solid, done by top people, independently replicated — suggests that the amygdala can become activated when we view the face of someone from another race. The Them as scary, and the Them being someone whose skin color is real different from our own.

Although Dr. Sopolsky admitted that these findings left him a bit more than disturbed, he found that with some subtle tweaking these brain reactions mellowed. The tweaking, according to the doctor, involved presenting the person in the photograph as an individual by changing some of the language used on the test subject. His example was that they might show a picture of someone of a different race, but also ask a  the subject a question such as "Do you think this person prefers Pepsi or Coke?" This worked to personalize the person in the photo, and resulted in a different amygdala reaction. From Dr. Sopolsky:

But right on the heels of those studies are follow-ups showing that the picture is more complicated. The "Other skin color = scared activated amygdala = the Other" can be modified by experience. "Experience," can be how diverse of a world you grew up in. More diversity, and the amygdala is likely to become activated in that circumstance. And also, "experience," can be whether, shortly before your amygdala is put through the brain imaging paces, you are subtly biased to think about people categorically or as individuals. If you're cued towards individuating, your amygdala doesn't light up.

Hearing this last bit made me smile, because I think in the not-so-distant future we will have technology to thank for possibly breaking mankind’s obsession with THEM. In this age of internets, we have the first generation of kids who are growing up with the ability to ‘individuate’ at the tips of their fingers. Polling already shows that Gen Y is more tolerant of race, religion and gender/sex issues than previous generations, and a large part of that must be resulting from their ability to come in contact with individuals from almost anywhere on the planet with little effort.

My favorite part of the article/interview:

So, I'm optimistic that with the right sort of priorities and human engineering (whatever that phrase means), we can be biased towards making Us/Them dichotomies far more benign than they tend to be now. Say, by making all of us collectively feel like an Us with Them being the space aliens that may attack us some day. Or making the Them to be mean, shitty, intolerant people without compassion.

I so totally agree. A space alien invasion is what we need to unite our species! Or, in lieu of that, raising our kids with as much exposure to the different people of the world as possible. I will still hold out hope for that UFO invasion, however.

And just for funsies, I feel like listing a few THEMS of my lifetime. I haven’t been around that long, but it seems there has been no shortage of THEMS. Sure some of them are the same color and/or as equally scary as I am, but I'll make sure my amygdala knows to be scared!

  1. Communists. My earliest THEM memories are Reagan inspired (I’m 33). Remember that awful Sting song about the Russians loving their children too? It was individualizing for kids like me, I suppose. Also, Samantha Smith. Remember her?
  1. Middle Easterners/Muslims. Still holding strong since Desert Storm! Wooooo! I know they have been a powerful THEM for far longer, but Desert Storm is when I first came to realize they were a THEM.
  1. Latino Immigrants. A newish THEM. Seems to me that these folks are filling that primordial need for some to hate a THEM in the absence of something that’s actually scary.

I could go on and on...

BTW, when I read the article I think the photo of Dr. Sopolsky triggered a response in my amygdala...

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  •  A coworker was commenting the other day (15+ / 0-)

    about W's ideas that this war he's waging is somehow the Greatest Civilization Struggle of our time. Coworker said he remembers hearing this same rhetoric about Vietnam and the Communists, and even though we lost that war our civilization was barely clashed by Communism after all.

    Whats the difference with Iraq/Iran/middle east? Its just switching one THEM for another, ad nauseum througout history.

    Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals ... except the weasel. Relentless!

    by ablington on Sun Jan 14, 2007 at 08:52:57 AM PDT

  •  ablington - (9+ / 0-)

    I'm with you! How much shopping do I need to do to support our intergalactic troops?

    As nightfall does not come all at once, neither does oppression. - Justice William O. Douglas

    by occams hatchet on Sun Jan 14, 2007 at 09:02:42 AM PDT

  •  Part of our survival instinct... (3+ / 0-)

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    At least, that's my belief. It's part of our survival instinct to organize in groups and hold a certain degree of fear or hatred for those not in our group.

    How else do you account for people loving the Yankees? I mean, everyone I know HATES the Yankees. And rightly so.

    The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it -- GB Shaw

    by kmiddle on Sun Jan 14, 2007 at 09:15:54 AM PDT

  •  Hardwired? Not even close.... (4+ / 0-)

    Little children do not hate or fear - until they are taught too. Little children immediately identify the pictures of other children as possible playmates and friends.

    Hardwiring seems more like operating system programming to me. I'm 51 and have seen lots of 'hate' spouted out there about the various evil empires. Interestingly though my parents always taught us to never judge a person by their appearance. It stuck to 3 out of 4 of us - with some potential recovery for the 4th as she gets older!

    Bring on the UFO invasion! It would be really cool to learn from them!

    Impeachment...if it's still off the table, can we at least kick it around the floor a bit? AnnieJo

    by SallyCat on Sun Jan 14, 2007 at 09:19:37 AM PDT

    •  Ah, not quite. (2+ / 0-)

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      Little children do indeed feel and express hate and fear--a reality many parents, teachers, and playground monitors would readily attest to.

      While not dismissing the undeniable role of developmental conditions as a factor in the existence of such human tendencies, there is as mentioned a vast body of data that indicates a neurological basis for the same.

      'Nature vs. nurture' is a long-running debate in clinical circles, to be sure. Yet few in those fileds today would deny the significant role brain 'hardwiring' plays in human behavior.

      The more research into these once controversial areas the better for humanity, as far as I'm concerned.

  •  You hit it, ablington. (9+ / 0-)

    There's a considerable body of research, going back decades, to back up the theory that our neurological conditioning has far more to do with our ideology, worldview and response to percieved threats than most other factors.

    I've long been convinced of this, and hold out the hope that advances in neuroscience may eventually help to address our species' seemingly intractable violent and warlike tendencies.

    John Dean touches on this subject in one of his recent books. An overview of the data surrounding these theories would make for an interesting diary.

    As for the UFO invasion, I'm afraid you're a little late. Earth was long ago invaded by Zeta Reticulans, who as every abdunctionist knows are an ancient, powerful, galaxy-roaming race of cold-blooded reptilians. Their primary food source is negative energy created by the perpetuation of war, misery, and chaos.

    They can change appearance and identity freely, and have done so frequently throughout human history.

    Today we know them as neocons.

  •  A 50's sci-fi story on this was "lighter" (5+ / 0-)

    in nature.......

    With the arrival of "Martians", all ethnic jokes ended ......no more dumb Polish jokes or cheap Scottinsh ones.... they turned into "Martian" jokes...

    I didn't buy the premise..... though I can see humans panicking and slaughtering any aliens that do show up......

    In counterpoint, some think that we're being gradually "conditioned" to accept the possibility of aliens because there's already been contact.....

    but if THAT were so, I don't think we'd be fighting over oil because we'd have access to alien technology .........or is the aline technology being suppressed until the oil supply becomes a crisis?  hmmmm......  avoids huge "displacement and disruption" for now but increases carbon loading ......

    Hell any aliens probably view us as too dangerous to let out of quarantine and way too dangerous to give access to higher order technology....

    •  Sometimes... (0+ / 0-)

      I wonder whether we are actually the insane asylum of the galaxy, or at least this section of it. It would certainly explain a great deal.

      The Prince of Peace has been usurped by the God of War.

      by Spoc42 on Mon Jan 15, 2007 at 05:19:27 AM PDT

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  •  Interesting article (4+ / 0-)

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    I have hoped for oh, about 20 years, from the first time I read Carl Sagan and saw that crap TV show "V" ...that there'd be a true alien invasion.

    Your comment, "A space alien invasion is what we need to unite our species!" is really true.  But here's the kicker, from concepts that Dr. Sagan put forth....

    Interstellar space travel = a need for more resources, whether it be food or energy of another sort. I am generalizing but his point was that if They come here, it ain't just to swing by and say hello and do some harmless research. I agree.  Barring the whole Contact thing where (in the book...) the 'alient species' kind of tell the group that visits them, that we are not ready, but hey, good job building the machine. :-) The book had a group of 5 or 6 of 5 or 6 races that went to meet the folks at the other end of the tunnel.

    What I think would be really cool is if it was more of a Star Trek contact, instead.. those Vulcans on that ridge when they come down to say hi, and know that we are too bass-ackwards to really be good as a species, but hey, they'll give us a shot.

    Personally I would be all for this. On so many levels. But then again, I have wanted to go to space since I was 7.

    And guess where a good place to land a miles-wide spaceship would be if you wanted to not harm anyone right away? Places where there would be few of the dominant species, like Antarctica, Sahara, Gobi, Atacama, Plains of the US, etc.  God that would be cool.

    OK sorry, just fantasizing about the aliens coming. ;-) No, I don't live near Area 51. ;-)

    •  Antarctica, Sahara, Gobi, Atacama (0+ / 0-)

      and then . . . PLAINS OF THE U.S.???

      Coastalist!  Coastal Chauvinist!

      "These are times of moral enormity, when cool reasonableness is a more pathological and unrealistic state than hysteria." -- Martin Peretz

      by prodigal on Sun Jan 14, 2007 at 10:38:04 AM PDT

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    •  For all the advanced technology (4+ / 0-)

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      that a "miles-wide" craft might have.  The most profound would be structural integrity if such a craft were capable of landing in 1 gee.

      As a sci-fi rule-of-thumb (not absolute), big ships don't land.  It would take a hell of a lot for them to support their own weight.

      No.  The mothership will remain in space and small aero-craft will descend into the murky atmosphere.

      I'm reminded of a quote from Futurama when their ship gets pulled under the ocean and the pressure is rising as they dive.

      Fry (at 5 or 10 atmospheres pressure): How many atmosphere's of pressure can the ship take?

      Professor:  Well, it's a spaceship, so I'd say anywhere between zero and one.

      •  I like that episode. (3+ / 0-)

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        Donovan: Atlanta was a city, landlocked, hundreds of miles from the area we now call the Atlantic Ocean, yet so desperate the city's desire for tourism, that they moved offshore, becoming an island, and an even bigger Delta hub, until the city over-developed and it started to sink, knowing their fate, the quality people ran away, Ted Turner, Hank Aaron, Jeff Foxworthy, the guy who invented Coca-Cola, the magician and the other so-called Gods of our legends, though Gods they were, and also Jane Fonda was there. The others chose to remain behind, on their porches with their rifles, and one day evolve into mermaids, and sing and dance and ring in the new.

        Mermaids: Hail Atlanta!

        Leela: The magician?

        Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals ... except the weasel. Relentless!

        by ablington on Sun Jan 14, 2007 at 01:06:49 PM PDT

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      •  yada yada yada (1+ / 0-)

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        You are thinking in terms of what we know about materials science from earth materials....about anti-gravity doodads....about the use of light as a bouying force when warped the right way....and about nano-tech-thin miles wide ships with itty bitty little blue critters on them that can hover since they are 'wafer thin' as in silicon wafer....or an anti-weight-doodad to make it use the force that is gravity to conteract its own weight. I took a lot of physics in school, just don't think that's all there is to it. know what I meean?

        But your point is well taken that the mother ship may remain statioed off planet since it would also be a target (and even one bigger than a barn door to hit with your shotgun, Jethro....) so I understand what you are saying. ;-)

  •  TY for this diary. (2+ / 0-)

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    I just saw Independence Day again and still like it!  heh

    It might be a bit inaccurate to frame it as 'other races' when we were probably hard-wired to recognize everyone and everything that was 'not us' way back in the day.  It would have been a survival adaptation, for sure.  Now that we know for a fact all humans are one species, we need to recognize those few dangerous ones (children and young women still should not get in cars with strangers) and perhaps also spend a minute distinguishing pets from actual human family... [A pet peeve (not an intentional pun, but it works...) of mine.  See also Dog Whisperer.]

    •  Thanks for the "Dog Whisperer" reference. (0+ / 0-)

      I have the puppy from Hell!  Every time I think I have the house dog-proofed, he finds something else to get into.

      I love Cesar's show, and desperately need him to make a visit to my place. I understand his philosophy, but my idiot dog doesn't.  It's probably my fault, though--I can manage the assertive part, but usually not the calm part. I get mad when His Dogginess ignores the "Hey, ch-h-h-h" thing.

      I know he's a dog, but I get as angry at him as I would if he were a wilful 2-year-old baby.  His behavior is so similar!

      Thanks for the (rueful) smile.

      If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.~~Lewis Carroll

      by Molly Martinez on Mon Jan 15, 2007 at 01:56:23 AM PDT

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  •  see.."The Architects of Fear" (0+ / 0-)

    O world,no world,but mass of public wrongs,confused and filled with murder and misdeeds

    by Brian B on Sun Jan 14, 2007 at 10:22:34 PM PDT

  •  Ironic, (2+ / 0-)

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    Last night Art Bell and his guest were discussing the amygdala on his show, Coast to Coast.  He also mentioned illegal immigrants, but I never heard him Republicanize his comment by using the label Latino Immigrants.  Guess there aren't enough of "them" out there without having to make up a category or two.

    Republicans don't have 60 votes, and it doesn't seem to bother them one bit.

    by dkmich on Mon Jan 15, 2007 at 01:40:23 AM PDT

    •  Do you know if that was a re-run? (1+ / 0-)

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      I ask, because I remember Art having a guest on, several years ago, who was talking about the amygdala, and how you could learn to switch it off, to achieve calmness, or some such.

      I haven't listened to Art, lately, but I loved his show, when I could catch it.  Always interesting, provocative, way-out-there.  Not that I believed everything I heard, but it was always entertaining.  I vote for the space alien invasion, too. It seems much less threatening than the real, live wacko we're trying to deal with, here in reality-land.

      If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.~~Lewis Carroll

      by Molly Martinez on Mon Jan 15, 2007 at 02:06:35 AM PDT

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      •  Huge changes in format... (1+ / 0-)

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        The guest was talking about "intentioning".  Best way to describe it (she did not) is the "power of group prayer or thought".  Intentioning is willing something to happen.  

        In any event, Art semi-retired.  His wife died.  He re-married a Filipino youngun, moved to the Pacific rim, she got pregnent, and they moved back here to have the baby.  He only does weekends now, George Noory is the new weekly host and has been for about 5 years.  We get the show out of Windsor, Ontario between 1:00 am - 5:00 am.  

        Republicans don't have 60 votes, and it doesn't seem to bother them one bit.

        by dkmich on Mon Jan 15, 2007 at 02:13:36 AM PDT

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  •  Watch out: It could be Nazis piloting those UFOs (1+ / 0-)

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    Here's an interesting blog series I recently came across on the fascist and intelligence connections to the UFO phenomena:
    Nazis from Outer Space.  Enjoy :-)

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