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Bob Herbert nails it again regarding New Orleans

Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 08:21:57 AM PDT

Original at Booman Tribune.

There's been some hullabaloo since yesterday in HuffPo that Brangelina is coming to live in the French Quarter while Brad is making a film.  Of course, they're also coming at a good time, before Mardi Gras season begins.


And the kiddies will be going to private preschools, not any preschool connected with that torn-up system barely making a blip.

And who can forget their humanitarian efforts? "Angelina has asked for places she can do charity work," says the source, who adds that Jolie had inquired about a school for disadvantaged youth. And construction is set to start this month on the 20 environment-friendly homes Pitt, 43, jointly commissioned with Global Green USA.

Yeah.


In contrast, I've missed Bob Herbert's columns in the New York Times about Katrina, but this new one came via Portside, published yesterday:

I was surprised recently by a sudden shift in the tone of a veteran cabdriver, Stanley Taylor, who had been kind enough to take me on a nearly four-hour tour of the flood-wrecked regions of the city.


For most of the afternoon, Mr. Taylor had been wonderfully informative and polite, and his comments had been filled with sympathy for those who had lost so much to Hurricane Katrina and its aftermath.


But as we headed back to my hotel, and darkness began to fall over the eerily still neighborhoods, his tone became unmistakably bitter.


We had been talking casually about the thousands of extremely poor evacuees, most of them black, who were still stranded outside New Orleans, some of them scattered to the far reaches of the United States.


Mr. Taylor, who is black, snapped that maybe it would be better if some of them didn't come back. "The poor people that's gone," he said, "they're gonna have to stay gone. That's where all the crime was coming from, see? Folks here want people to come back, but they want people with money to come back. The criminals? Shame on 'em. Sorry for 'em."


During the immediate post-Katrina period, there were essentially two visions of a resurgent New Orleans.  One, widely decried as racist, saw the new, improved New Orleans as smaller, whiter and more prosperous.


This was openly advocated. Just a few days after the storm, a wealthy member of the city's power elite, James Reiss, told The Wall Street Journal: "Those who want to see this city rebuilt want to see it done in a completely different way: demographically, geographically and politically."


Mr. Reiss, who is white and served in Mayor C. Ray Nagin's administration as chairman of the Regional Transit Authority (he has since left the government), said that he and many of his colleagues would leave town if New Orleans did not become a city with better services and fewer poor people.

No matter how Reiss dressed it up, he meant fewer blacks who have a tendency to vote Democratic.

Well, even rich New Orleanians, with blood ties to this town are considering leaving.  Not just the middle class or the poor.

Perhaps that is also why, Brangelina, courtesy of the film industry, is choosing to spend part of their time there. A little tinsel also goes a long way in window dressing, showing folks that if they think that it is safe, then...

An alternative (and more widely desired) model of the city coincided with the approach that President Bush seemed to be taking when he made his dramatic appearance in floodlit Jackson Square in mid-September 2005. Mr. Bush promised not just to help rebuild New Orleans, but to confront the long-simmering problems of race and poverty with "bold action."

Well, we know what didn't happen then.  Bush is no FDR, although he may fancy himself as magnanimous as that certified patrician. The Red Cross chose to keep their millions of dollars reaped from the horrors shown on TV.  Our borrowed dollars went down the drain in Iraq.  The levees remain unsafe. And violent crime is growing too obvious to be ignored even by the remaining middle class, who are also running out of patience.

Supporters of this approach envisioned an effort that would bring desperately needed assistance to the hurricane victims, helping to get them housed and back on their feet, while at the same time constructively engaging the contentious issues that have kept America's blacks and whites in a state of perpetual hostility, and much of the poor in an all-but-permanent morass of ignorance and deprivation.


What is actually happening is worse than anyone had imagined.


New Orleans is a mess. It was brought to its knees by Katrina, and is being kept there by a toxic combination of federal neglect and colossal, mind-numbing ineptitude at the local level.

Bush and Nagin.  


Together again.  


Partners in a continuing crime.


It has been said before, even by a disgusted, local black leader during the 2004 mayoral campaign, Bishop Paul Morton, that Nagin is a white black man, or the whitest black man in America.  Meaning, in our parlance, that he has swallowed whole everything about salesmanship, entrepreneurship, and glad-handing, but he knows absolutely nothing about what leadership is or what it means for his own constituency.  Nagin, it appears, only knows how to benefit Nagin.  As Michael Eric Dyson showed in When the Levees Broke, Nagin didn't take decisive steps to help his natural constituents.  Instead, he raced to the business community--mostly Republicans--to obtain their counsel.  (I still wonder what they advised him to do.) He complained about not getting the Guiliani pass.


While I did not wholly trust Mitch Landrieu, whom all of the white power brokers supposedly supported against the incumbent last year, I distrusted Ray Nagin more and his statement about keeping New Orleans a chocolate city.  In hindsight, it becomes more obvious how silly, pandering, and divisive it was.


I love my peeps, as folks might say these days, but we are all the more betrayed by black politicians who may not have our interests at heart but keep insisting that similar skin color trumps all doubts.

I'm here to say that not always.

Increasingly, I'm looking at results, not just skin color.

Nagin's heart is as large as a matchbox, and just as empty of potential.  Nagin makes a big show about being mayor, but he appears like a toothless old elephant looking for a few bulls to do him in so that he could shamble to the elephants' graveyard.  Or vacation in the Caribbean as he did immediately after the disaster.


As I saw that picture of him relaxing among other vacationers on the beach, I thought to myself, what the fuck is he doing there?  From all reports, the emergency was still going on.


It's the same thing I thought about seeing photos of Barack Obama frolicking barechested in the surf.


Just what are these cats really doing?

The police department here is a sour joke, and crime is out of control. More than 16 months after the storm, children roam the streets with impunity during school hours. Debris still covers much of the city. Doctors, hospitals and mental-health facilities are in woefully short supply. Thousands of residents are still living in trailers, and many thousands more are stuck more or less permanently out of town.


The result is that blacks and whites, feeling unsafe physically and frightened by the long-term prospect of dwindling opportunities, are eyeing the exits.


Lt. Gov. Mitch Landrieu, who lost the mayoral race last May to Mr. Nagin, offered a grim assessment. While the ethnic breakdown may remain roughly the same, he said, the city is on its way to becoming "smaller, poorer and worse than it was before."


Class, at the moment, is trumping race, which is how Mr. Reiss and Mr. Taylor, the cabdriver, came unwittingly to similar stereotyped conclusions. Unless the foundations of a livable city can be put in place - and they are not being put in place now - those with the ability to leave will do so. The poor, neglected as always, will be left behind.

Why is Mitch Landrieu qualified to make such a statement?

He is the son of Maurice 'Moon' Landrieu, the last white mayor of New Orleans, who is treated with respect and affection by black oldtimers in the city.  Mitch and his sister, Mary (the senator) grew up in the city, in Broadmoor, as his father voted against "hate bills" in the volatile state legislature and later as mayor, opened up the civil service and outlawed housing segregation.

Mitch still lives in New Orleans.

Unfortunately, Moon Landrieu's reforms also paved the way for him to be replaced by Ernest 'Dutch' Morial, the first black mayor of New Orleans, in 1978.

While Mitch and his sister may differ in outlook and approach from their trail-blazing father, it is noteworthy that as Mary Landrieu toured the ravaged streets, it jarred her that there were no blacks in the city, because it was always a given that blacks would be there.

At least Mitch Landrieu wanted to do something, anything for the city where he lived.  He and Blanco have been at considerable loggerheads over one issue or another, just as Blanco loathed  Nagin for supporting Bobby Jindal for governor way back.  Being Lt. Governor hasn't suited him.  That job is rather sedate.

Looks like he's going against Blanco in the future.

And this is why someone like FDR, as vilified as he was from his time to the present, for betraying his class and introducing federally-sponsored social welfare showed Americans what he was doing on their behalf. Fireside chats. Being filmed signing legislation for work programs. Explaining why he was rebuilding infrastructure. Announcing why he was asking for a bank holiday. Sending the reformist wife out to visit coal mines and soup kitchens (and pick up unfiltered information). It was just that important to at least show the American people that their president and government cared about them in their time of need.


Nagin seems to have done little since the election. His wife, the First Lady of New Orleans, is probably shopping in Dallas in relative ease and anonymity, with her children in private schools or attending college elsewhere. Teeshirts bought and worn by New Orleanians ask whether they've seen him in town or not. He's reflexive rather than responsive, as shown in last week's Enough! March. He goes to seminars a lot.


After Dinerral Shavers and Helen Hill were shot dead, and the constituencies made ready to march on City Hall, Nagin tried to head off the demonstration through intermediaries, and then failing that, walking in on a group handing out placards and leaflets, saying that what they were doing was a great idea. Of course, they looked at him as if he were nuts.

"The same thing is moving African-Americans as is moving whites," Mr. Landrieu said. "Everyone is asking: 'Is it safe? What's the school situation? Can my kids play outside? What does the future hold for them?' "


Without a creative new plan and energetic new leadership, New Orleans will be unable to save itself. Right now it's a city sinking to ever more tragic depths.

And I am still wondering when and whether the Democrats have the will to stymie Bush's escalation of the Iraq War by shutting off funds...funds that could be allocated for New Orleans' renewal. And whether they have a plan.  And whether they care that Bush would rather spend a billion bucks on jobs in Iraq to mollify the Sadrists, than save New Orleans.


Is it any wonder that when Iraq vets return to New Orleans, they feel as if they are back in The Sandbox?

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  •  what is happening in NOLA (1+ / 0-)

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    is child sacrifice.

    Bushco= Moloch Lite

    It's not a fake orgasm; it's a real yawn.

    by sayitaintso on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 08:20:36 AM PDT

    •  Hey, explain? (0+ / 0-)

      n/t

      An untypical Negro...since 1954.

      by blksista on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 08:22:23 AM PDT

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      •  kids with no homes.... (10+ / 0-)

        no schools...

        (I've spoken with an activist I know from the Lower 9th who has seen kids eating frozen meals in a cafeteria where asbestos abatement was being done)  we know there is a policy NOT to open public schools and to play a complicated political game of "charter" schools

        no jobs...

        I saw a crew of Latino workers being supervised by an Anglo with a Corps of Engineers name tag back in June.   I'm pro-immigration, but I think government should continue to give preference to citizens.  The "boss" couldn't even speak to his Spanish/Portuguese speaking workers.  Asked me to translate.  There's a reason reconstruction jobs are going to people who can't ask questions, can't file claims.

        no family around...

        some kids are sent back to the city while family try to send them money from Texas, Mississippi where there is work.  Guess what? Unsupervised teens get into trouble.

        no one to counsel them ...

        I think all the time of the juveniles who floated in their own feces in the Orleans Parish Jail.  Of the kids I met who saw family die.  Will they ever get past that?  Not without a concerted healing process by counselors, pastors, teachers... and real security in their lives.

        We are killing a generation.  

        I say Moloch "Lite"  because we do it by putting the guns into their own hands.

        It's not a fake orgasm; it's a real yawn.

        by sayitaintso on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 08:42:22 AM PDT

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        •  We have no (7+ / 0-)

          mental health workers who can help these kids either.  The shortage of workers and facilities is a travesty.  

          White woman over 50 for OBAMA!! (Endorsed 6/07)

          by nolalily on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 08:44:30 AM PDT

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          •  Mitch Landrieu's resume shows he's worked with (1+ / 0-)

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            juveniles and justice.

            An untypical Negro...since 1954.

            by blksista on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 09:04:07 AM PDT

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          •  Counseling (4+ / 0-)

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            I had a terrible time getting help for my son at the beginning of last year.  I had to pull him out of school and put him in homebound.  We spent the summer in enrichment:  art, music, Sparkle at UNO, baseball and then a 2 week trip to FL.  It really helped. but I had the resources.  He seem to be fine this year, but I do not let my guard down.  The cashier at Doriginacs is from Chalmette and her child is having a terrible time.  Will not go go counseling.  I think because he is there at ground zero and can't escape the horror.

        •  Jan 2009 at the latest (0+ / 0-)

          In a few months, or January 2009 at the latest, when amnesty is passed, the construction workers will be able to file claims & ask questions.

          But they will probably stick with Cholula sauce and they may never go over to Tabasco.

          •  never ? (0+ / 0-)

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            Besides, citizens have always lived with the undocumented.... Newcomers eventually mix and blend.... find homes, buy groceries, gamble, and hang out in the French Quarter. They go to church, have babies, and enroll their kids in school. They eventually come to love the Saints and somewhere during a second-line the undocumented immigrants become undocumented New Orleanians.

            " Who do you think attached your blue roof?"

            By Dr. Andre Perry, Contributing Columnist
            Louisiana Weekly

            It's not a fake orgasm; it's a real yawn.

            by sayitaintso on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 11:05:16 AM PDT

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  •  Wanna see the anti-Nagin teeshirt? (17+ / 0-)

    Here's the link: http://dirtycoast.com/...

    Actually I like this one:
    http://www.reneworleans.net/

    An untypical Negro...since 1954.

    by blksista on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 08:20:50 AM PDT

    •  I am not surprised about Nagin . . . (1+ / 0-)

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      He is a DINO.

      Nagin renounced his Repulican affiliation and became a Democrat for the sole purpose of running for mayor.  

      "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." ~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

      by givmeliberty on Thu Jan 18, 2007 at 03:07:13 PM PDT

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  •  Agree with 99%, (13+ / 0-)

    but I for one appreciate that Pitt and Jolie are investing in the city - and by all indications they're doing it for selfless reasons.  As far as I saw, Pitt's original idea wasn't so much to move in, tear down rows of houses, and replace them with luxury condos - but to encourage environmentally responsible rebuilding in places that had to rebuild anyway.

    I may be wrong on this, but when I first read the information about why he was investing in the city, it seemed pretty cool to me.  And the fact that they're going to live may be nothing more than tinsel, but they seem sincere enough.  

    Wealthy people interested in philanthropy who are going to put their time and money into the city?  Yeah, I'll take it.  

    Otherwise, we're on the same page.

    Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

    by pico on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 08:27:19 AM PDT

    •  I agree about Pitt and Jolie (7+ / 0-)

      even if it's a temporary move.  It will help.

      GEAUX SAINTS

      White woman over 50 for OBAMA!! (Endorsed 6/07)

      by nolalily on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 08:45:10 AM PDT

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    •  I wasn't necessarily dogging Brangelina... (5+ / 0-)

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      but the hype surrounding them.  

      It's just too bad that they can't just move in like regular folks.

      Now if Angelina could visit with the kids and help rebuild some black schools and perhaps help Ruby Bridges restore her old elementary school, the one that got whites rioting on Canal Street and precipitated my parents and I moving to Cali, then...

      Otherwise, I bear no malice against them or Sean Penn.  All I'm saying is, keep doing what's right, not what makes you look good.

      An untypical Negro...since 1954.

      by blksista on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 08:54:28 AM PDT

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      •  Hey, that's a great idea (3+ / 0-)

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        I was reading that she's looking for some things to sink some money into.  Have you tried trying to find an official way to contact her.  Wonder who her agent is....

        White woman over 50 for OBAMA!! (Endorsed 6/07)

        by nolalily on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 08:57:14 AM PDT

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        •  Hon, you live there; I don't... (0+ / 0-)

          There's probably going to be a ton of people running after them to go this place and contribute to that organization.  I would try perhaps contacting ACORN or that eco-housing concern that he's involved with.

          An untypical Negro...since 1954.

          by blksista on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 09:09:44 AM PDT

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      •  That's a good point - (2+ / 0-)

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        and there are a number of celebrities who live there but haven't made much of a to-do about it (Harry Shearer, Jennifer Coolidge come to mind).  I don't know if stems from self-promotion or honest desire to promote the city, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now.

        Heck, maybe they should get in touch with Reggie Bush.  

        At any rate, even if there is a certain level of hype to it, I'd rather see the entertainment page covered with pics of them hyping community investment than stories about vapid stars blowing millions on parties and pads.  

        Thanks again for this diary - and sorry to sidetrack to such a minor point.  I don't think anyone inside (or outside) the city has yet come to terms with the demographic shift - a lot of places are still trying to sort out who's left and who's gone for good.

        Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

        by pico on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 10:03:51 AM PDT

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  •  Good god, I love you but lay off... (7+ / 0-)

    ...Brad and Angelina. The media has absurdly focused its attention on them to the exclusion of important stories like what is happening in New Orleans.

    What they have done is nothing more than force the medias cameras to focus on New Orleans, if only for a day, a week, or whenever they choose to show up in public.

    Of course they send their kids to private schools. Anyone with the means would be foolhardy not to. The New Orleans public schools are the worst in the world, and that was before Katrina. Safety is also a concern. They do have a right to be safe.

    Celebrate what Brad and Angelina have done. They put their money --and their family-- where their heart is: saving a major American city of outsized cultural significance to the world.

    Please don't tell me you feel sorry for Ben. Ben is a well cared for dalmatian and has not been harmed by my political views.

    by Bensdad on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 08:36:30 AM PDT

  •  EXCELLENT DIARY (11+ / 0-)

    to a tee.  You've really described the dilemma and given us good insight and background into our political players.

    I first thought of the FDR/Nagin comparison during the evacuation and it was the deciding factor in my vote last year.  As you may have guessed, I didn't vote for Nagin.  I don't listen to speeches that much as I observe behavior.  Nagin is not a leader nor does he care for New Orleans.  Building the house in Dallas (Dallas?  How different from New Orleans could you get?), the, his almost total silence coupled with his disappearing act and his Chocolate City comment did it.  I have to admit one thing - the CC comment didn't bother me at first because I just assumed one of two things:  A.  Consider the group he was addressing and B. To me "chocolate" is brown which is a mix of various colors.  So I wasn't particularly offended at first.  At least not until Nagin clarified that he meant "black".  It truly was a very divisive statement and so utterly inappropriate for the times.

    I am very disappointed in who we have elected.  We have to take responsibility for what we've done in order to not make the same mistakes next time.  For once, this city might have a chance of making change that is a unified effort.

    Racism abounds in these parts.  Black hate and White hate - against one another.  And our black and white power structures, alike, play on people's racial fears in order to further their own selfish agendas.  As long as the people are focused on one another's skin tone, the more these selfish crooks can get away with.   People's darkest sides are released at times like these.  The longer we suffer, the worse things get, the more we will see people looking for scapegoats among one another.

    The march on City Hall and ensuing neighborhood activation (mine is having an impromptu crime meeting this Thurs.) is one of the more encouraging things to happen to our city. I just hope we can continue to build on the "unification" that emerged from the march.  

    White woman over 50 for OBAMA!! (Endorsed 6/07)

    by nolalily on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 08:41:57 AM PDT

    •  Nagin is a Dandy (1+ / 0-)

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      My Maw Maw who worked as a seamstress at D H Holmes and was a rosie the riveter during WW 2, used Dandy to describe "a fancy man".  

      It is very interesting that Hebert's article did not appear in the TP.  I assume because it mentions Reiss.

  •  Few Outsiders Understand NO Govt. (5+ / 0-)

    What most can't comprehend is the truth of what government meant in NO.  It has never been about service.  It has always been about the spoils.  Why expect anything to function for something other than what it was intended.

    The ridiculous number of elected local offices and boards, the federal and state grants, and local government contracts were viewed as devices to create fiefdoms and make money.  State government never cared so long as the local powers delivered the votes.  The feds have long seemed powerless to stop it, until the recent investigations of Jefferson and the Morial administration.

    Why should anyone be surprised goverment in NO does not function to any standard?  It was never meant to serve citizens, only the fiefdom lords.

    •  True dat... (6+ / 0-)

      The Longs, the Landrieus, the Davises...it has been about patronage and blood political ties, which harkens straight back to when the Creoles ran this piece of wilderness.

      That's why I always referred to Louisiana as the gateway to the Third World, because of all of the homegrown tinpots.

      Marc Morial is a case in point, too.  A somewhat disappointing case, too.

      An untypical Negro...since 1954.

      by blksista on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 09:07:01 AM PDT

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      •  Its in the genes (2+ / 0-)

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        When corruption goes down so far as reaching the brake tag office, you know it won't get fixed soon.

        You are right, though, it started with the French.  The area was a lousy colony.  The accounts from the 18th century sound appallingly similar to stories now.

    •  NO Government (2+ / 0-)

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      It is not only government, but business as well.  In some ways it is good, we have a lot of family owned businesses not corporations, but the A team closes ranks and excludes good people while covering for those that are inadequate because they are family or friends.  It even plays out in the school yards and sports teams.  I know it is true every where, but worse in NO becaue people stay for generations.  

  •  New Orleans will have lots of new Democrats (0+ / 0-)

    After amnesty, all the Latino construction workers who have moved to New Orleans can vote Democratic.

  •  Just keep Obama out of this (1+ / 0-)

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    Rambling post

    •  Idiot... (0+ / 0-)

      He WAS in this "rambling post."

      An untypical Negro...since 1954.

      by blksista on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 10:02:35 AM PDT

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      •  What has Obama got to do with this? (1+ / 0-)

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        It's the same thing I thought about seeing photos of Barack Obama frolicking barechested in the surf.

        What has Obama got to do with the crazy lazy Nagin? or the inept Blanco? or meek as a mouse other GOP Senator wasshisname?

        Please, Just leave Obama alone. What has his taking time out to go and be with his beautiful family on the beach got do with Nagins ineptness and his M.I.A? Obama has nothing to do with N.O. woes, like the black on black murders going on there or the worst in the nation school system, or LA being the "gate way" to the third world as you eloquently put it.

        Keep your Rants and raves relevant and dont try to drag other folks down as your city sinks due to the inept, corrupt, leadership entrenched there. The citizens couldnt even vote out a Rep who got bribes (100,000$)!. What has Obama got to do with all this?

        Also tone down the drivel and vitriol. The name calling is uncalled for.

        •  I criticized Nagin and Obama (1+ / 0-)

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          for being shown going to the beach.

          Nagin, because the emergency was still going on.  If he had been shown talking to citizens and personally rescuing people, his stakes would have gone up much higher.  

          What is he doing besides going on seminars?

          Obama, because so far, with me, at least it's a cheesecake, celebrity image with no substance.

          What is he doing besides running for office?

          That's what I meant.  And if you can't take it, tough.

          An untypical Negro...since 1954.

          by blksista on Thu Jan 18, 2007 at 07:32:35 AM PDT

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          •  What is Obama doing besides running? (0+ / 0-)

            Ask HRC what she is doing
            Ask Edwards what he is up to
            Ask Joe biden
            Ask whomever, Ask W.Clark when he declares what he was upto. Do you know what he is up to?

            The fact that YOU dont have a clue is a testament to your inablity to look it up or desire NOT to know.

            And since when is spending quality time with the kids on the beach a strike against running for office? They were on vacation for goodness sake! In Hawaii where the good Senator grew up.

            In Nagins case if he was M.I.A in the aftermath of Katrina having a sun tan on the beach then he needs to be condemned for absconding duty. Where are the Obama parrallels here, in this case?

            So in your mind this Katrina mess is tied up to Obama somehow? how? You want Obama to go to NO and physically help in the rebuilding effort? Edwards was there for a photo-op opportunity, so I guess you want Obama to follow suit? Why dont you ask Joe Liebermann why he doesnt want to get to the bottom of the Katrina mess? That would have been a more relevant rant, rather than castigating Obama who has NOTHING to do with katrina mess absolutely.

            Please, dont drag Obama into a mess that is the doing of Nagin's lack of foresight (didnt declare mandatory evacuation orders untill a day or two to the disaster), a corrupt police force that stole looted, plundered and murdered, a Govenor with a deer in the headlights look and absent Senators. These are folks you should vent upon.

            What has Obama got to do with this mess? Is it Obama envy that is coursing through your veins? You cant see a black guy with a wife and 2 cute girls frolicking in the beach with his family? Thats too painful an image? You just had to castigate him yes?

            •  Look... (1+ / 0-)

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              It's apparent you're a 'true believer' about Barack Obama.  Look up what 'that' means.  

              We're not going to agree.  And I can say whatever I want.  Nagin and Obama appear to be surfing as 'black leadership' merely on image alone, and that is what I am criticizing.

              To me, both have done nothing to warrant any admiration or hero status.

              Chill the fuck out.

              An untypical Negro...since 1954.

              by blksista on Thu Jan 18, 2007 at 11:26:54 AM PDT

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              •  So who told you am a "true" believer? (0+ / 0-)

                Your opinions as you can see make no sense. Blaming Obama for the messy Katrina response? duh!
                Nagin is wallowing in infamy just because he aint in Obama's class! but in the pockets of the business establishment. Pure and simple! Nagin wont ever get elected to even dog catcher after his term expires.
                Hating vitriolic language, inanity, vacuous, fatous rants just expose the soft underbelly of your arguments.
                Notice I dont resort to the F or B words. Say whatever you want but make sense!

  •  I hate to see it go (1+ / 0-)

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    but sadly, I feel that in the long run NO is a lost cause.  And the long run isn't all that long.  Even if we can reverse global warming, doing that won't be fast.  In the meantime the Greenland and Antarctica ice is melting, and if the sea level goes up as little as ten feet NO is history.  Or five feet and another halfway decent hurricane.  Or no feet and another Katrina.

    South Florida too, so long Keys.

    •  I will not accept that meme (7+ / 0-)

      Because it's "convenient". It's being used as a pretext to throw away people who don't count.

      There is a certain amount of higher ground; but there isn't talk about being equitable about aportioning a smaller city ... or doing that at a more "suitable" site.

      My SO tivo'd a bunch of Katrina documentaries last year. There was a stark contrast between the Nat'l-Guard-to-the-rescue one & "Big Easy, Big Empty" ... and luckydog's "they aren't coming" diary: some folks worked very, very hard rescuing people -- and some who needed rescuing were abandoned.

      If it comes to a point that there is substantive discussion that meaningfully includes social justice, then I might might entertain discussion about certain areas being "lost cause" -- but I won't be convinced unless the community leaders tell me they've signed onto whatever plan. Otherwise, I'd be falling for a version of the Denver snowstorm vs. Katrina scam.

      If your local service workers don't get a living wage (including healthcare) then your local social contract is broken

      by julifolo on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 07:35:12 PM PDT

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      •  Embryos (3+ / 0-)

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        They utilized 10 people to rescue embryos while real people were still stranded.  

        NO has always flooded and the flooding is the reason homes were built differently.  They were built off the ground on piers and made of plaster and real wood.  

        NO can be saved if the federal COE contracts with the Dutch to build a true water management system not one designed for farmland.

  •  The cool thing this could mean is... (1+ / 0-)

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    What this could mean is: that they really do some real charity work and take newsies to the upper and lower 9th, to Jefferson,  Chalmette, the lighthouse, to other areas on the outskirts, like NO East, Pass Christian, BSL,  too...

    Taking the newsies to those areas to show them that, wow, it is still a mess...with cameras that follow them everywhere....it could be really awesome.

    For whatever reason, people don't seem to get Brangelina fatigue so meld the two things (Katrina focus and Brangelina focus) and you get your media and real focus where you need it, if done correctly.

    Another excellent diary, thank you.

    http://www.unembedded.net

    by LokiMom on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 09:11:39 PM PDT

  •  Great diary (1+ / 0-)

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    blksista

    missed it earlier, glad it was listed on the diary rescue.

    So much, so very much is wrong with our nation and Katrina really has brought issues to light that most of us have ignored.

    Thank you for writing this diary it is a work of art.

    AfterHoursStamper.blogspot.com

    by SanJoseLady on Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 09:53:51 PM PDT

  •  Why did they reelect Nagin? (0+ / 0-)

    ?

    Never could figure this out.  Does it boil down to race?  

    "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

    by Subterranean on Thu Jan 18, 2007 at 12:34:28 AM PDT

  •  finally some direct & true talking folks... (2+ / 0-)

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    blksista, julifolo

    As a guy who grew up a few hours from NOLA, lived for awhile in NOLA, then lived in cities like Atlanta & San Fran/bay area, I can tell you that it's quite simple:
    Low education & high insider corruption.

    This quote from a previous post says it all:

    "The ridiculous number of elected local offices and boards, the federal and state grants, and local government contracts were viewed as devices to create fiefdoms and make money.  State government never cared so long as the local powers delivered the votes.  The feds have long seemed powerless to stop it, until the recent investigations of Jefferson and the Morial administration.

    Why should anyone be surprised goverment in NO does not function to any standard?  It was never meant to serve citizens, only the fiefdom lords."

    .....Folks, what we are seeing is New Orleans as the  penultimate example of the American dream as turned into a grab-for-all that is turning this nation into  something similar to what we revolted against at the onset:
    British aristocracy keeping poor & decent people out of power & decision making while cake tasted nice.

    Today, the cake is crack...

    see the SYSTEMIC problems, not just the sympotoms my friends;

    NOLA is simply a clear view of the problems we face at many levels in this so-called American Xperiment.

    Remember--you have the right to remain silent, and if you do, things will only get worse.

    It ain't over till the Diebold-count is in.

    by robelicit on Thu Jan 18, 2007 at 10:49:41 AM PDT

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