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About-Face: Brent Scowcroft Provides Cover for Bush Escalation

Wed Jan 03, 2007 at 08:03:49 PM PDT

The former National Security Advisor under Bush the 1st, Brent Scowcroft--who was actually opposed to the Iraq invasion in the beginning, ensuing a rift between the Papa and Junior camps, has written an Op-ed in the New York Times partly hailing the Iraq Study Group findings but also ends up covering for the inevitable Bush-McCain-Lieberman Escalation Doctrice.

He begins by telling us the the dire consequenses that would ocurr from a withdrawal from Iraq...

An American withdrawal before Iraq can, in the words of the president, "govern itself, sustain itself, and defend itself" would be a strategic defeat for American interests, with potentially catastrophic consequences both in the region and beyond. Our opponents would be hugely emboldened, our friends deeply demoralized.

Iran, heady with the withdrawal of its principal adversary, would expand its influence through Hezbollah and Hamas more deeply into Syria, Lebanon, the Palestinian territories and Jordan. Our Arab friends would rightly feel we had abandoned them to face alone a radicalism that has been greatly inflamed by American actions in the region and which could pose a serious threat to their own governments.

The effects would not be confined to Iraq and the Middle East. Energy resources and transit choke points vital to the global economy would be subjected to greatly increased risk. Terrorists and extremists elsewhere would be emboldened. And the perception, worldwide, would be that the American colossus had stumbled, was losing its resolve and could no longer be considered a reliable ally or friend — or the guarantor of peace and stability in this critical region.

These have been repeated ad nauseum from the Very Serious People now for months. Withdrawal = Armaggendon basically. But here, Scowcroft also repeats the talking point that anything other than what the president has called "victory" in Iraq, i.e. "[An Iraq that can] govern itself, sustain itself, and defend itself" is a defeat for America.

This is a high bar to set, and it is too little too late because we have already been defeated there. I am not going to spend tim refuting Scowcroft's analysis of why withdrawal would be horrific since it has been discussed many times elsewhere.

Scowcroft then continues to prescribe his solutions which include fixing the Arab-Israeli conflict, talking to Syria, Iran, etc. But then, he delivers this:

American combat troops should be gradually redeployed away from intervening in sectarian conflict. That necessarily is a task for Iraqi troops, however poorly prepared they may be. Our troops should be redirected toward training the Iraqi Army, providing support and backup, combating insurgents, attenuating outside intervention and assisting in major infrastructure protection.

Not too bad there, he seems to be endorsing some form of redeployment right?! Not so fast...

That does not mean the American presence should be reduced. Indeed, in the immediate future, the opposite may be true, though any increase in troop strength should be directed at accomplishing specific, defined missions. A generalized increase would be unlikely to demonstrably change the situation and, consequently, could result in increased clamor for withdrawal. But the central point is that withdrawing combat forces should not be a policy objective, but rather, the result of changes in our strategy and success in our efforts.

There you have it folks. Of course, we propably need to escalate right now...so long as it provides a clear mission! Because we all know that Bush will not concoct up a phony mission such as "securing Baghdad"! Scowcroft tries then to say that a general increase with no mission will be futile (no shit Croftie!), but is that really what the president is going to say? Will he really simply preempt TV time to tell the American people that we will just send 30,000 more troops, end of story? Of course not. There will be a phony mission behind it, and thanks to Brent Scowcroft's approval and cover, Bush has tried to buy himself more time to save face and continue his meat grinder. According to Scowcroft, we do not need to reduce troops at all, withdrawal is out of the question, and in fact we need to escalate to achieve the impossible goal that Bush has set for "victory". Unless I am totally misreading this Op-ed, Bush has just gained the seal of approval from the Old and Wise Club of I.R. Realists.

Thanks for nothing, Brent.

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  •  tips...etc. (16+ / 0-)

    Comments, criticisms?

    "People place their hand on the Bible and swear to uphold the Constitution. They don't put their hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible." --J.R.

    by michael1104 on Wed Jan 03, 2007 at 07:59:59 PM PDT

  •  What an a**hole. (2+ / 0-)

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    vivian darkbloom, madgranny

    WAR IS CORPORATE WELFARE, SCOWCROFT. NOTHING MORE & NOTHING LESS.

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -Thomas Jefferson

    by ezdidit on Wed Jan 03, 2007 at 08:08:06 PM PDT

  •  What an asshat (1+ / 0-)

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    kingubu

    if he doesn't already understand who he's dealing with.  Bush will be happy with this halfway support for his escalation, and will completely ignore the other half - the "specific, defined missions" part.  That's what he's always done, that's what he'll always do.

    He'll never admit that the "strategic defeat" we're experiencing in Iraq is the direct consequence of his decision to invade and take over Iraq, and of the despicable way he's conducted the occupation, from allowing the destruction of a considerable portion of the world's earliest civilization to killing a half million innocents and sowing the country with depleted uranium.

    You can't cut a deal with evil.  Scowcroft has given up his last chance at salvaging his reputation as a clear-eyed realist and redeeming his spirit.  Bush is a vortex driving everyone he deals with downward into darkness.  

    "You can't negotiate with reality" - James Kunstler

    by Bob Love on Wed Jan 03, 2007 at 08:12:00 PM PDT

  •  once a bush family toady (4+ / 0-)

    always a bush family toady.

  •  what a weenie (2+ / 0-)

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    TracieLynn, Snarcalita

    here's the guy who had the brights to put an op-ed in the WSJ with the really clear title "DON'T INVADE IRAQ" ...saving jr. from having to actually read anything.... and now this?

    I mean it's not like the spit has even dried on Baker's face and Scowcroft is bending over and grabbing his ankles?

    What a man..... what a man.....

  •  jesus, scowcroft is still relevant? (2+ / 0-)

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    sharilynn, Snarcalita

    who knew?

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    by meangene on Wed Jan 03, 2007 at 08:35:51 PM PDT

  •  Reiteration of ISG (3+ / 0-)

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    oblomov, JML9999, skymutt

    is what I read from the op-ed.

    Scowcroft emphasizes the need to re-engage in regional diplomacy with Syria and in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

    He does give qualified support for a temporary troop increase, but I would have bolded the third sentence in the paragraph that you cited.

    Indeed, in the immediate future, the opposite may be true, though any increase in troop strength should be directed at accomplishing specific, defined missions. A generalized increase would be unlikely to demonstrably change the situation and, consequently, could result in increased clamor for withdrawal. But the central point is that withdrawing combat forces should not be a policy objective, but rather, the result of changes in our strategy and success in our efforts.

    Scowcroft also dismisses the Cheney 80% solution, which seems about right to me.  If we through our weight behind the Shiites, then the other regional players will exercise a veto by throwing their weight behind the Sunni minority, and nothing will be solved.

    On balance Scowcroft's analysis sounds more sound than unsound to my eyes.  

    Unfortunately, I do not see this administration engaging in aggressive regional diplomacy which is an absolutely essential part of any "plan forward".  

    Troop increases alone may tamp down violence in Baghdad temporarily, but they will not resolve the underlying problems over the long haul which are feeding sectarianism in Iraq.

  •  This illustrates why... (2+ / 0-)

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    JML9999, NotGeorgeWill

    ...Democrats needed to get out in front on this, by strong, unequivocal, and unified rejecton of the surge and promise of consequences if the surge was pursued. That really hasn't happened so far. I just saw another diary that Russ Feingold is submitting a resolution tomorrow that sets a timetable for withdrawal. That's a good step. But from where I sit right now, Democrats have not been nearly decisive enough in supporting the surge, and there seems to be just enough VIPs expressing support for the surge to provide cover for Bush to make it a reality.

    And as I find myself expressing over and over and over, escalation is not the obvoiusly ridiculous or outlandish or doomed idea that most people around here seem to think it to be. Reasonable-sounding arguments can be made for it. It can be justified. That you or I think that it's not a good idea is not all that relevant. It's all about what those Democrats we elected to Congress are saying and doing. And it hasn't been enough so far, if you're hoping for withdrawal.

  •  American colossus had stumbled? (1+ / 0-)

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    Snarcalita

    Has stumbled past tense Mr. Secretary.

    There never was a chance to stablize Iraq once we elminated Saddam's Government the Pentagon knew this as far back as 1999 when they conducted the Desert Crossing Wargames even with 400,000 troops the penatgon saw we'd still be in the mess we are today. If you can't win on paper(or in a computer) how can you win on the battlefield Mr. Secretary.

        A Civil War is not a loss at best it's a win at worst a stalemate. Nearly every major Democracy formed in the last serveral centuries has had a civil war. Best Estimate there are some 4000 foreign nationals in Iraq at any one time. This number has remained constant apparently because the same number if people we kill sneek into Iraq to replace the dead. 4000 out of how many millions?
    It's a civil War Mr Secretary.

    It's checkout time in Iraq Mr. Secretary.

    Saying the Iraq "Surge" worked is like saying Thelma & Louise had a flying car.

    by JML9999 on Wed Jan 03, 2007 at 08:50:07 PM PDT

    •  Civil Wars (1+ / 0-)

      This one in Iraq is likely to be a little different.

      In the U.S. experience we had a blockade around the South, so that the conflict really was between American powers.

      The civil war in the former Yugoslavia was similar in the sense that you didn't have Italy, Austria, Greece and Turkey pouring money and resources into the conflict.

      In Iraq it's likely that regional powers will be waging a proxy war inside Iraq.  

      Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Kuwait, Turkey, et al have a very real stake in the type of government that emerges inside Iraq.  

      Absent diplomacy each power is likely to have a very different vision of the Iraq that they want, which means that you'll have regional powers working at cross purposes.  It's pretty easy to envision a proxy war in Iraq spiralling into a regional war in the Middle East.

      •  At the risk of being labels a vicious cruel nasty (1+ / 0-)

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        NotGeorgeWill

        S.O.B.

        I really can't get excited about the regional war scenario. I believe you truly believe that will happen, but to me it sounds an awful lot like the "Domino Theory" that everybody said would happen after we left Vietnam

        As per American interests that would be the price of Oil. It seems more likely that in this regional war scenario Al-Q or similar entities will be a little busy getting killed off to bother the rest of us but that's just my belief

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        Saying the Iraq "Surge" worked is like saying Thelma & Louise had a flying car.

        by JML9999 on Wed Jan 03, 2007 at 09:34:18 PM PDT

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        •  Interesting take . . . (1+ / 0-)

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          JML9999

          The domino theory that I've heard in reference to the Middle East is the case where we have an Islamic state stretching from Indonesia to Tunisia.  

          Alternatively, there's the, if we leave, we'll be fighting "them" in the streets of New York and Washington DC.  

          I'd agree that both of these are far-fetched.

          I agree that there might be some short-term benefits to a regional war (or a civil war in Iraq) as far as it relates to terrorist groups and U.S. interests.  

          As far as oil goes, we could actually see a decline in prices in the short-run.  The Saudis have threatened to flood the oil markets in the event of a U.S. pullout, with an eye towards undercutting the Iranian economy.

          Still, if you remove U.S. support it's hard to envision a unified central government in Iraq.  

          In the absence of a strong central government, it's very easy for me to envision a proxy war taking place.  The Jordanians and Saudis have already made statements that they will increase their involvement in the event of a U.S. troop withdrawal.  Perhaps they're bluffing, but from the view of their national interests the threats seem real enough to me.

          I would be curious to hear some of the counter-arguments against the regional war scenario.  In my view, this outcome doesn't seem that far-fetched.    

  •  Look, boys and girls, if we up our troop strength (1+ / 0-)

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    JML9999

    now, we won't have to rush them over there later to deal with  a Shia uprising when we attack (not invade) Iran.  Bush and Cheney will attack Iran and maybe Syria, put the country on a full war footing, reinstitute the draft as a way of establishing that they are serious-- all to avoid losing the initiative to a Democratic majority.  

    The only missing piece is another terror attack on US soil, or my favorite less-horrific-but-equally-useful scenario, the alleged "accidental" nuclear detonation in Waziristan by "the Taliban" or "Al Qaeda terrorists" of a "Russian" or "North Korean" or "Pakistani" device.  Naturally, it will be a US or UK nuke, which will have been modified to leave radiological traces consistent with whatever official claims are thereafter made.

    Their real God is money-- Jesus just drives the armored car. © 2006 All Rights Reserved

    by oblomov on Wed Jan 03, 2007 at 08:51:52 PM PDT

  •  W Must've Gotten Poppy to tell Brent (1+ / 0-)

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    JML9999

    to stop bein' so mean to him.  

    Maybe Poppy has some pictures of Brent with a goat.

    Remember litigatormom's razor:

    When there is no rational explanation for an event or action, the most likely explanation is "photographs with farm animals."

    "Mom, did you hurt yourself, or are you yelling at the TV again?

    by litigatormom on Wed Jan 03, 2007 at 09:27:18 PM PDT

  •  Scowcroft and GW/RC are playing different games (2+ / 0-)

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    Scowcroft is telling GW how to do what he wants by the old rules of engagement between the party of the White House and the party of Congress.  GW doesn't give a shit about the old rules.  GW will take the appropriately highlighted phrases and use them as a bludgeon and ignore the rest.

    Ignorance of how this White House works is no longer a viable excuse for this type of behavior.

  •  Has Anyone IDENTIFIED Any Of These Specific (2+ / 0-)

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    JML9999, NotGeorgeWill

    defined missions?

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Wed Jan 03, 2007 at 09:38:32 PM PDT

    •  I'm sure it's like that supreme court justice who (1+ / 0-)

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      NotGeorgeWill

      commented on Porn.

      I'll know it when I see it.-GWB

      Justice Potter Stewart

      In 1964, Justice Potter Stewart tried to explain "hard-core" pornography, or what is obscene, by saying, "I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced . . . [b]ut I know it when I see it . . . "[1]

      Saying the Iraq "Surge" worked is like saying Thelma & Louise had a flying car.

      by JML9999 on Wed Jan 03, 2007 at 09:44:43 PM PDT

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