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FBI & American Psych. Association Attack Patient Confidentiality

Sun Jan 07, 2007 at 02:42:45 PM PDT

I recently came across an FBI report on a conference jointly sponsored by the FBI and the American Psychological Association. Given the recent and ongoing controversies over the use of psychologists and other medical personnel in U.S. torture programs abroad, I thought a close examination of the matter of this conference could be interesting. -- What you will read may shock you (especially if you are interested in mental health practice). It will certainly enlighten you, and help fill in the gaps that exist in our understanding of U.S. interrogation techniques, the "war on terror", and the government campaign to curtail our liberties.

Countering Terrorism: Integration of Practice and Theory
An Invitational Conference

FBI Academy, Quantico, Virginia
February 28, 2002
Sponsored by:
Behavioral Science Unit, FBI Academy
Science Directorate, American Psychological Association
University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts & Sciences
and the Solomon Asch Center for the Study of Ethnopolitical Conflict
Decade of Behavior Initiative

It was during a meeting of members of the FBI’s Behavioral Science Unit (BSU) and members of the American Psychological Association, two large and complex bureaucracies, when the idea of an invitational conference on countering terrorism was born. The excitement of bringing together highly qualified law enforcement officers with various terrorism experts and academics was palpable.

(All quotes from the report are linked here, and found on the FBI's own servers.)

Susan Brandon: Top Psychologist for the Bush Administration?

The FBI report begins with an introduction by a member of the FBI's Behavioral Science Unit (BSU) and two members of the American Psychological Association (APA). Of the latter, the first listed is Susan Brandon, Ph.D., "Senior Scientist". The second is Geoffrey K. Mumford, Ph.D., "Director of Science Policy" at APA.

Susan Brandon, it should be noted, is:

...the Behavioral & Social Science Principal at the Mitre Corporation [a company highly linked to U.S. Air Defense]. In the aftermath of September 11, 2001, Dr. Brandon served as APA's senior scientist, and later as Assistant Director of Social, Behavioral, and Educational Sciences for the White House Office of Science & Technology Policy.... In December 2005, she was awarded the American Psychological Association (APA) Presidential Citation in "recognition of her visionary efforts to promote the value of the psychological and behavioral sciences as they apply to our counter-terrorism, homeland security, and national security interests". [LINK]

Brandon went on to become an instrumental member of the Social, Behavioral and Economic Sciences (SBES) Subcommittee of the National Science and Technology Council's Committees on Science and Homeland and National Security. As Geoffrey Mumford wrote in an article for the APA in 2005, Brandon

... joined the SBES Subcommittee to guide the interagency initiative on behalf of President Bush's science adviser. At APA, Brandon had helped steer much of the association's scientific outreach relevant to counter-terrorism after 9/11.

Reflecting on her role and the ongoing work being conducted through NSTC, Brandon noted "the SBES Subcommittee is an opportunity for the social and behavioral sciences to have a voice and a presence at the table that is unique in recent Washington policy processes."

The result of Brandon's participation was a report, Combating Terrorism: Research Priorities in the Social, Behavioral and Economic Sciences. Much in this fairly innocuous and insubstantial report came from material discussed at the Quantico conference, which is the subject of this diary.

What was left out, as always, is what is most telling: the concrete policies and roles determined for psychologists in the U.S. Homeland Security apparatus, and the changes that will have to take place in American psychology for this to take place.

What emerges is a portrait of institutional American psychology -- and its top leadership -- eager to have front seats at the spoils table that is capturing the billions of dollars flowing into national security in the wake of 9/11. (One is reminded of the participation of former APA president and top U.S. psychologist, Martin Seligman, in discussions on psychological debility via learned helplessness at SERE, a military program implicated in a famous New Yorker expose in the development of torture techniques used by the U.S. in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Guanatamo.)

The Quantico Conference "Scenarios"

On February 28, 2002, more than 70 academic scholars and researchers, and personnel from justice, intelligence and law enforcement agencies, met at the FBI Academy in Quantico, Virginia....

The participants, roughly half academic scholars and researchers and half law enforcement personnel, dispersed into seven small groups to discuss scenarios that had been developed before the conference by the FBI. These scenarios described some of the current problems that the FBI, other law enforcement agencies and intelligence agencies are facing as they try to discover cadres of terrorists or those who harbor them, as well as deter support for terrorism by individuals, designated groups, and communities.

What kind of scenarios were discussed?

Scenario 1: A trustworthy local businessman reports suspicious activity by an apparently Middle Eastern neighbor....

Problem: This scenario was viewed as quite typical of the many that have come through local police and FBI offices since 9/11. The problem is how to develop an effective triage system...

Strategies: Make use of data gathering/vetting systems already in use in other situations, such as in the medical and legal professions.

In other words, here the FBI is describing the need to develop better Information Evaluation Systems.

Other scenarios posit other intelligence conundrums and proposes strategies to address the problems involved (on community relations, interrogation, data mining, etc.).

Confidentiality, Ethics Codes, and the Need for Government Informers

Of interest are those scenarios that touch on issues of how mental health professionals conduct their business, especially when it comes to issues of confidentiality.

Scenario 2a: ....A woman contacts her psychologist from whom she has been receiving therapy for the past year for bouts with depression. She reports that she has just learned that a friend of her 19-year-old son appears to be recruiting her son for a martyrdom mission. This friend has voiced some fundamental Islamic beliefs that are very anti-American. The woman has overheard worrisome conversations between her son and his friend but had tried to discount their significance until her son revealed today that he was asked to become a Martyr for an unspecified attack against the United States. He is very concerned that his friend is involved in something that may be planned for the near future. They are afraid to report this to the police because her son has a juvenile record and he is somewhat anti-American himself. They are naturalized citizens of the United States after having moved here from Iran many years ago.

The joint FBI/APA report purports that this situation described in this scenario "is not covered explicitly by the American Psychological Association's (APA's) Ethical Principles of Psychologists and Code of Conduct." What does that code say?

5.05 Disclosures.
(a) Psychologists disclose confidential information without the consent of the individual only as mandated by law, or where permitted by law for a valid purpose, such as (1) to provide needed professional services to the patient or the individual or organizational client, (2) to obtain appropriate professional consultations, (3) to protect the patient or client or others from harm, or (4) to obtain payment for services, in which instance disclosure is limited to the minimum that is necessary to achieve the purpose.

So, what is not clear here? There are no individuals here who are identified as being harmed. But, if the patient or her son are concerned about future developments, they can always go on their own to the police or FBI. Scenarios such as these are routinely discussed in ethics courses. Most state laws mandate a disclosure under Tarasoff rules, which state that "a psychotherapist has a duty to protect or warn a third party only if the therapist actually believed or predicted that the patient posed a serious risk of inflicting serious bodily injury upon a reasonably identifiable victim".

Quantico and the Recent Judicial Attacks on Confidentiality

In a recent development, in 2004 the California Appeals Court, in Ewing v Goldstein, the court expanded the Tarasoff rules in a way that may affect the discussion here. In this decision, the Appeals Court upheld a case, wherein "The court saw no difference between threats conveyed directly by the patient and those related by an immediate family member of the patient."

But, in all the years before this decision, the psychologist had no obligation to report the client's son's friend to anybody. Indeed, it would have been unethical, if not illegal, to do so! Robert Kinscherff, a forensic psychologist on the faculty of Harvard Medical School wrote to Susan Brandon:

The law that permits or requires a psychologist to break confidentiality in order to protect third parties from potential violence is the closest body of law to the scenario. However, this law contemplates that it is the client/patient who poses the serious threat of harm to a third party; it does not contemplate violation of the confidentiality of the client/patient if the client/patient is not the source of the risk of harm.

There is no specific mention of national-security related issues in the Code, and I am unaware of any APA policy document or guidelines document that refers to national security issues as they might arise in the practice of psychology.

The Code as currently worded would actually permit breaking of confidentiality despite the patient's/client's wishes in the "national security risk from a third party" scenario BUT ONLY IF there were applicable state or federal law that MANDATED the breaking of confidentiality or PERMITTED the breaking of confidentiality in order to protect the client/patient or others (see, for example, 5.05(3) which permits disclosure to protect others if mandated or permitted by law).

Gee, too bad there is no such law.... Ooops -- with the recent ruling, Ewing v Goldstein, now there is! As the Church Lady used to say, Isn't that precious?

But, seriously, is there any connection between the FBI/APA discussion in 2002 and the decisions made narrowing confidentiality laws for psychotherapists two years later? I don't know. But in the Quantico conference document, the FBI explicitly lays out its strategies on this:

Seek guidance from the American Psychological Association and state psychological associations to consider:

�� Including statements regarding information related to national security in its code of ethics;
�� Broadening training programs to include instruction on how to deal with such situations, and
�� Teaching clinicians and clinical students how to become familiar with various law enforcement agencies and rules, and how to deal with third parties such as probation officers.

APA: Agents for the Government?

To make matters even more clear, the FBI tells the APA what it should be doing. And not only the APA, but teachers, the clergy, and anyone else who might be a source of solace, confession, and counseling in this country, making the latter into spies for the "war on terror":

There is a need for the American Psychological Association and state psychological associations to develop an ethical code for practitioners for instances where a client may have information relevant to terrorism (similar to other mandates that already exist, such as those for instances of abuse of children and the elderly and a client’s intention to harm himself or another person). Such instances are peculiar because they involve third-party harm. Psychologists need to be trained for what behaviors to look for, and how to report information to law enforcement while protecting the client and their family and community. This may include some kinds of cross-cultural training. The APA may have to work with legislatures and licensing boards regarding some of these issues. Similar training and issues of confidentiality need to be considered for the training of clergy, teachers, and physicians.

Even more amazing, given the joint FBI/APA nature of the report, is the FBI's "suggestion" to the APA:

It was suggested that the APA might develop guidelines for such reporting, and offer these to other agencies (school systems, social services), where appropriate.

HIPAA and National Security Disclosures

Then, a year or so after Quantico, the federal government implemented its new rules on privacy and medical information. The new privacy rule of the Health Insurance and Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), now effective law since April 2003, states:

Patients have the right to receive an accounting of disclosures of protected health information made by their providers in the six years prior to the date on which the accounting is requested, except for disclosures....

  1. for national security or intelligence purposes
  1. to correctional institutions or law inforcement officers

[emphasis in original]

I don't know when this language was put in, but it correlates perfectly with the intent of the authors of the Quantico document. In any case, the developments regarding patient confidentiality have eroded the latter significantly in the past ten years, and the leadership of the American Psychological Association, while giving lip service to protecting confidentiality, has been quick to chuck its scruples when anything regarding national security -- or big bucks to get in on the hogfeed that is national science funding -- is at stake.

My Main Point

When the APA published its own article on the conference in November 2003, it never mentioned the changes in confidentiality laws and ethics codes proposed by the FBI, neither opposing or supporting them. You would never know from reading the APA's account that such tremendous changes in standard ethical practice were being proposed, or that the APA was to take the lead in making these changes throughout the larger medical and social services field.

The silence of the APA on this issue is deafening. The leaders of the APA have fudged the question of use of psychologists in national security interrogations that hold "enemy combatants", and where torture has taken place. The leaders of the APA would allow use of psychologists in Army interrogations where use of isolation, sleep deprivation, and inducement of fear and debility take place (see my earlier article on the "new" Army field interrogation manual). The leaders of the APA would like to be seen as enthusiastic cheerleaders of the neocon war on terror, as handmaidens to the organization of state security, in the name of providing "knowledge". In the meantime, they would turn every psychologist, psychiatrist, doctor, counselor, clergyman and teacher into government informants and spies.

I invite members of the APA, especially from its hierarchy, to respond to this diary/article.

UPDATE:
I'd like to add on a comment made by Halycon below. It speaks very clearly to the implications that the attacks on confidentiality portend:

This is like hoping to find the needle in the haystack, and more likely to lead to false positives that result in real mental harm and financial ruin for to those who are swept up into detention and interrogation. Just ask Maher Arar.

It's fear-mongering, and a set-up for:

designating people who seek treatment as terrorism risks;
deterring people from getting help for emotional distress;
possibly a precursor to 'insitutionalizing' 'emotionally disturbed' people 'for their own safety';
Creating a second-class citizen status for anyone with a history of depression or psychological treatment, for example: being prescribed Prozac by one's GP;
Denying said group freedom to travel;
disqualifying said population from government employment, which would include government contractors

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  •  I will be interested to see... (36+ / 0-)

    ... if Daily Kos readers are interested in these kinds of developments. Of course, I hope I've done a decent job in bringing some clarity to a complex area of law, ethics, medical practice, and current politics around the "war on terror".

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    by Valtin on Sun Jan 07, 2007 at 02:41:08 PM PDT

  •  Well (1+ / 0-)

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    My belief is this:

    If a psychologist or mental health professional is convinced that his or her patient is going to harm himself or others, then he has a duty to report the matter to the appropriate authorities.

  •  Thanks for the update (13+ / 0-)

     When I got my degree years ago we were told to put very little in writing. There wasn't much trust of the government during the Vietnam war either.

     Also all the Behavioral science conferences were infiltrated by "men in black suits" -- which we all knew were fbi/cia etc.

     There's a reason why bushie wants everything on computer databases -- very easy to copy and add to the huge government database his guys are creating.

     

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    by Carib and Ting on Sun Jan 07, 2007 at 02:56:02 PM PDT

  •  What the FBI had to say on APA collaboration (11+ / 0-)

    "Subsequent to the horrific events of 9/11, the FBI's BSU and the APA received an outpouring of calls from psychologists who were volunteering their expertise in service to our country," said Stephen R. Band, Ph.D., Chief of the FBI's Behavioral Science Unit (BSU). "These psychologists, motivated by patriotism, came forward to ask how they could help defeat terrorism and assist in winning the peace. By joining forces with the FBI, these behavioral and social scientists provided valuable insights and proved to be real heroes in our war against terrorism. The significant and unique expertise shared at this conference clearly assisted our Country's war against terrorists and most certainly set the stage for future collaboration."

    My emphases.

    The link.

    War is the statesman's game, the priest's delight, The lawyer's jest, the hired assassin's trade Invictus

    by Valtin on Sun Jan 07, 2007 at 02:57:30 PM PDT

  •  Valtin nothing (9+ / 0-)

    surprises me. Being the fact that I was a so called volunteer of the DoD and CIA expiriments at Edgewood Arsenal.

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  •  How about specific situations? (7+ / 0-)

    Like does the APA condone torture. Are the currently used prisoner guidelines of solitary confinement, sleep deprivation, audio overload, electro shock etc. condusive to good mental health?

    Who the f*ck are these people kidding? Themselves?
    Sounds more like they are trying to write new episodes of 24.

    •  The APA is officially on record against torture (6+ / 0-)

      But they will let their members participate in interrogations or planning of interrogations, e.g. at Guantanamo. Also, the APA has inserted slippery language on whether or not their members can be involved in interrogations involving "cruel, inhuman or degrading" behavior or actions. You see, it all depends on how the latter is defined.

      Read all about the controversies on this in the second link in the very first paragraph of this diary.

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      by Valtin on Sun Jan 07, 2007 at 03:13:10 PM PDT

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      •  Just as beauty rests in the eye of the beholder (6+ / 0-)

        so "inhuman or degrading" are left to the eye of the participant.  It seems to me a society of psychologists should be able to define at least some black and white areas and recommend their members stay away from the gray in between.

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        by possum on Sun Jan 07, 2007 at 03:19:28 PM PDT

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        •  Actually, some psychologists are working... (10+ / 0-)

          ... on getting the APA to declare a moratorium on psychologists participating in government interrogations.

          See Stephen Soldz's diary on this at Psyche, Science and Society:

          1. Main Motion: Whereas, the American Psychological Association (APA), as an accredited NGO at the UN, is committed to the spirit, purposes, and principles of the UN and other relevant UN instruments;

          Whereas, in 2006, the APA Resolution Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman, or Degrading Treatment or Punishment reaffirmed the APA’s long-standing commitment to basic human rights including its position against torture and other cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or cruel, inhuman, or degrading punishment;

          Whereas, in 2006, the APA Resolution Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman, or Degrading Treatment affirmed that psychologists regardless of their roles, shall not knowingly engage in, tolerate, direct, support, advise, or offer training in torture or other cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or cruel, inhuman, or degrading punishment; that psychologists shall not provide knowingly any research, instruments, or knowledge that facilitates the practice of torture or other forms of cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or cruel, inhuman, or degrading punishment; that psychologists shall not knowingly participate in any procedure in which torture or other forms of cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or cruel, inhuman, or degrading punishment is used or threatened;

          Whereas, in 2006, the APA Resolution Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman, or Degrading Treatment affirmed that should torture or other cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or cruel, inhuman, or degrading punishment evolve during a procedure where a psychologist is present, the psychologist shall attempt to intervene to stop such behavior, and failing that exit the procedure; and that psychologists shall be alert to acts of torture and other cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or cruel, inhuman, or degrading punishment and have an ethical responsibility to report these acts to the appropriate authorities;.

          Whereas, the US government in the Military Commissions Bill of 2006 has declared that certain people held at detention centers are "enemy combatants" and as such may not be guaranteed human rights protections, particularly in relation to due process, and humane interrogation techniques, as established under the Geneva Conventions and other UN documents, treaties, conventions, and protocols that protect the human rights of people without exception.

          Whereas, current interrogation methods at U.S. centers holding "enemy combatants" may include techniques defined as torture or other cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment under the 2006 APA Resolution Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman, or Degrading Treatment or Punishment;

          Whereas, psychologists working in U.S. detention centers for foreign detainees are placed at risk (ethically and psychologically), particularly in relation to involvement in interrogations interpreted as legal under U.S. law but inclusive of torture and other cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment as defined under international law and the 2006 APA Resolution Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman, or Degrading Treatment or Punishment;

          Therefore, Be it resolved that APA adopts this resolution calling for a moratorium on all psychologist involvement, either direct or indirect, in any interrogations at U.S. detention centers for foreign detainees. This moratorium is necessary as detainees may be currently denied protections outlined under the Geneva Conventions and interrogations techniques in violation of the 2006 APA Resolution Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman, or Degrading Treatment or Punishment may be considered acceptable practice according to the Military Commissions Bill of 2006;

          And Be it Further Resolved that APA disseminates and publicizes this resolution along with its 2006 Resolution against Torture both within the Association and to the wider public.

          War is the statesman's game, the priest's delight, The lawyer's jest, the hired assassin's trade Invictus

          by Valtin on Sun Jan 07, 2007 at 03:27:47 PM PDT

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  •  '50s and '60s (9+ / 0-)

    The APA was, for all practical purposes, a subsidiary of the CIA (See MK-ULTRA research on use of psychedelics in interrogation.)

    Seems the Agency's now willing to share with the Bureau.

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    by ben masel on Sun Jan 07, 2007 at 03:10:30 PM PDT

  •  Snark:Given all the Psychotics and Sociopaths in (8+ / 0-)

    the Bush Administration.

    Susan Brandon Top Psychologist for the Bush Administration Must be a very busy woman.

    Saying the Iraq "Surge" worked is like saying Thelma & Louise had a flying car.

    by JML9999 on Sun Jan 07, 2007 at 03:13:44 PM PDT

  •  Medical ethics are fundamental (10+ / 0-)

    to all parts of any medico-patient relationship.  The blurring or eliminating of ethical guidelines in favor of the government is abhorrent and should be opposed by all medical organizations.  That the APA has not been forthcoming in declining to support the government's intrusion into medical care at any level is shameful.

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    by possum on Sun Jan 07, 2007 at 03:14:22 PM PDT

  •  How likely is it, really, that someone (10+ / 0-)

    who seeks psychotherapy will reveal such national security-sensitive information in a therapeutic setting? This is like hoping to find the needle in the haystack, and more likely to lead to false positives that result in real mental harm and financial ruin for to those who are swept up into detention and interrogation. Just ask Maher Arar.

    It's fear-mongering, and a set-up for:

    1. designating people who seek treatment as terrorism risks;
    1. deterring people from getting help for emotional distress;
    1. possibly a precursor to 'insitutionalizing' 'emotionally disturbed' people 'for their own safety';
    1. Creating a second-class citizen status for anyone with a history of depression or psychological treatment, for example: being prescribed Prozac by one's GP;
    1. Denying said group freedom to travel;
    1. disqualifying said population from government employment, which would include government contractors..........
  •  Valtin, (4+ / 0-)

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    Thanks for a great diary.  One question-are you suggesting that Martin Seligman was directly involved in designing torture techniques or just that his research on learned helplessness was used for that purpose?  The New Yorker article said he was involved in teaching US soldiers how to handle torture and helplessness.

    In recent years, Seligman has been publishing self-help books about "learned optimism."  I haven't read them, but they sound sort of New Agey.  

    I do think his research was valuable, especially in regard to understanding depression, although obviously cruel to the animal subjects.

    There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious...that you've got to put your bodies on the gears...and make it stop. -- Mario Savio

    by Boston Boomer on Sun Jan 07, 2007 at 03:52:34 PM PDT

    •  I've left the issue ambiguous (4+ / 0-)

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      Because we don't really know. His research on learned helplessness (or that of others using his paradigm) seems to have been used in research on designing torture techniques, as Jane Meyer's article implies.

      For myself, I tend to think that Seligman was not directly involved in constructing torture techniques, and have never seen any evidence to make me think so. On the other hand, as regards use of his earlier research, when a psychologist I know tried to pin Seligman down on how much he knew himself about the use of the learned helplessness research by SERE, Seligman declined to comment.

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      by Valtin on Sun Jan 07, 2007 at 04:05:01 PM PDT

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  •  This is beyond shameful... (1+ / 0-)

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    There appears that there is literally nowhere on earth that a person can have privacy anymore.  I find this particularly egregious, because it is just another form of preying on individuals who are already in distress.  I look around at all that has happened in the last 10 years, and the last 6 in particular, and wonder where my beloved country went.  I am appalled.  I keep thinking that there should be something we can do to stop this.  Are there recommendations out there on how to deal with the APA on this in regards to stopping it?

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    by Got a Grip on Sun Jan 07, 2007 at 04:34:40 PM PDT

  •  Another great diary, Valtin! (1+ / 0-)

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    It elucidate further the close ties between the APA and the national security state. We psychologists are ethically obligated to do everything in our power to break these links. We are obligated,not by the APA ethics code, but by our concern for human rights and human decency, as well as by the need to be able to treat our clients without state interference.

    I've blogged about your piece on my Psyche, Science and Society.

    •  Thanks (1+ / 0-)

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      And I hope others will check out your well-written and very informative blog.

      Re the APA ethics code, thank God there is something higher than it to appeal to.

      We could start with the inalienable human rights first described by Rousseau and enshrined in the U.S. Declaration of Independence and the French Revolutionary Declaration of the Rights of Man.

      The aim of all political association is the preservation of the natural and imprescriptible rights of man.

      Let's engrave that on the doorway to 750 First Street, NE, Washington DC!

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      by Valtin on Sun Jan 07, 2007 at 06:07:55 PM PDT

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  •  great diary (2+ / 0-)

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    beyond chilling

    recommended

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    by whitewidow on Sun Jan 07, 2007 at 05:53:31 PM PDT

  •  I have had a bad experience, recently (0+ / 0-)

    I went to a Psychiatrist because I was anxious about the government, the Christian Right, and some strange things that happened with my computer and phone which I won't go on about or speculate over here at DKos. My husband was aggravated that I wouldn't shut up about politics, and he and his mother picked the doc. After a 20 minute consultation with a Physician's Assistant, I was put on medication for schizophrenia, with no mental history of such problems, and after 8 days I was completely delusional, on 3 differen't drugs with horrible side effects, and ended up setting a blanket on fire to summon help, because my husband was making me take the pills and taking me BACK to the same doctor that day.  The fire was set outside, and caused noone any harm, nor was it meant to, I really wanted the police to come to my house and help me.  I was then hospitalized for 12 days, and the doctors in the hospital told me to stay out of politics and made some other comments that made me very nervous, as if they had read things I had written on the computer.  I am on no meds now, divorced, and living alone and I am fine.  This has all happened in the last 6 months, and I wouldn't go to a psychiatrist right now for anything.  I am seeing a psychologist, and have been tested and pronounced perfectly normal by him, he doesn't understand why I was put on these psych meds in the first place.  That is the short version, but this worries me, and especially for anyone who says anything that could be considered paranoid about the government or vast evil right wing conspiracies.

    "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." ~ Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

    by godislove on Sun Jan 07, 2007 at 06:16:40 PM PDT

    •  Never more chilling, (1+ / 0-)

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      especially in these days where you can't get insurance for "pre-existing" conditions. Just taking anti-depressant medications will get you blacklisted forever.

      I have never had good experience with  psychiatrists. They are playing with fire and have no idea how it works. They are bought and paid for by the pharmas and seem to have not heard of the part of the Hippocratic Oath that says "do no harm."

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      by crose on Sun Jan 07, 2007 at 08:54:13 PM PDT

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  •  Security is big business. (3+ / 0-)

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    Ike was right, the military industry complex would take over if we let it. It would appear that it has taken over domestic security and now security is a huge part of our economy, and may in fact be the driving force of our economy. So, when can we expect our much anticipated Democratic Congress to step in and put some reasonable privacy and protection legislation on the table. Security vs Liberty is a false dichotomy.  One does not preclude the other.  It is analogous to giving up sleep to lose weight. Want to lose a few lbs, give up eating, not sleeping. Sounds pretty basic doesn't it? your basic common sense for dummies, so why then have we allowed our Government to convince us that in order for them to protect us we must forsake all civil liberties, all individual rights? Doesn't make much sense.

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