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[UPDATED] NRO: Let the baby die

Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 09:59:27 AM PDT

Dara and Bo Wilkerson had a baby, Bethany, in 2005. At three months she was diagnosed with a heart defect. The Wilkersons both work in a restaurant, have no medical insurance, and used the SCHIP program to pay for Bethany's treatment - and save her life. They appear in a new ad for the program, hoping, like the Frosts, that other children will benefit from it too. The Wilkersons say they expect attacks similar to those the Frosts endured, but don't fear them.

The NRO's Mark Hemingway begins the attacks today:

UPDATE: The Wilkerson's crush one of Hemingway's charges. See end. (End update.)

While USAction and a labyrinthine maze of leftist activist groups prepare to rally around images of Tampa Bay’s Most Photogenic Baby holding up a crayon sign that says “Don’t Veto Me,” Dara and Brian Wilkerson are real poster children — for irresponsible decisions.

On the conference call, Dara admitted to me that she and Brian had been talking about having children since before they were married. She further admitted that after they were married she voluntarily left a job at a country club that had good health insurance, because the situation was “unmanageable.” From there she took a job at a restaurant with no health insurance, and the couple went on to have a baby anyway, presuming that others would pay for it and certainly long before they knew their daughter would have heart defect that probably cost the gross national product of Burkina Faso to fix. But not knowing about future health problems is the reason we have insurance in the first place.

Mark Hemingway is here to tell you how and when and why and under what circumstances you will have a child.

Mark Hemingway is here to tell you what you will talk about with your partner before marriage. It will not be about babies.

Mark Hemingway will tell you where you will work. You "voluntarily left a job ... that had good health insurance, because the situation was 'unmanageable'"? Too bad. You can't have a baby. If you have had one, you are guilty of making an "irresponsible decision," and you do not deserve public assistance if that baby becomes sick. You were irresponsible. The baby must die. Also: you will be publicly derided for your irresponsible decisions. And you will be investigated. We will look in your garbage cans. We will find out how much your underwear is worth.

We will compare you to Mark Hemingway.

Mark Hemingway will say this:

We know that Dara is at least capable of getting a job with insurance — so why does she not have one now?

This is not about whether or not your child needed public assistance to continue living. This is about you answering Mark Hemingway's questions. You must answer his questions about your moral character and your worthiness as a human being.

Even if it is difficult insure [sic] her child’s pre-existing condition, what about her and her husband’s health? Perhaps it’s rude to ask that question, but I think it’s rude to accept huge amounts of public assistance and then express gratitude by asking taxpayers to extend a Children’s health program to cover college-age kids who come from households making more than $80,000 a year.

Mark Hemingway will not always make sense. He will lose his way. He will become nonsensical, childish, and pouty. This is no matter. You must respond.

    1) "What about you and your husband's health?" (Mark Hemingway cares about you. Let the baby die.)

    2) "Did you call me rude? [No.] Well I think YOU'RE rude. You get SCHIP assistance and your baby doesn't die and you're like - 'Woo hoo! Go SCHIP assistance!' That is so rude!"

    3) "What about XXX? Huh? Huh? That is REALLY rude." (XXX refers to Mark Hemingway at this point, in accordance with the NRO template, dropping in unsourced, distorting, and already well-circulated talking points regarding his argument. The talking points in this case: "...asking taxpayers to extend a Children’s health program to cover college-age kids who come from households making more than $80,000 a year." See comments here on that.)

The big finish:

Which brings us to another salient point — Bethany Wilkerson is healthy. She is covered by existing programs and has already received the much [sic] of the medical care she needs. The current debate centers on expanding the program, not kicking the Frosts and the Wilkersons to the curb.

Again: Mark Hemingway will not always make sense. He will run back over his own argument like a drunk on a bulldozer, again and again contradicting himself. This is also no matter. Mark Hemingway was not talking about the current baby that Mark Hemingway was talking about before. He was also not talking about current parents he talked about before. He is talking about other parents. Their babies must die.

So I hope Bethany grows up strong — I’m worried about her. Not because I’m worried that the state won’t take care of her, but I’m afraid that her parents will continue to set a bad example. In which case, she’ll need all the help she can get.

Mark Hemingway, was, on the other hand, talking about current baby. And current parents. Current loser parents. With loser baby.

UPDATE: Dara Wilkerson regarding the "irresponsible decision" to change jobs:

We have seen the statement about my previous employment and here is what we have to say: I left my previous place of employment years before Bethany became part of our lives. I am a hard working woman. I have worked at Snappers Sea Grill for over 6 years. It is a good work environment and I am a loyal employee. My husband and I were blessed with Bethany two years ago and we are even more blessed to still have her with us today.

Crossed

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  •  As long as that loser baby... (23+ / 0-)

    is kept intact and healthy when it's a fetus.  

    THAT's the important thing.

    After that?  Who gives a damn.

    JOHN McCAIN = George W. Bush's 3rd term.

    by chumley on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 10:05:34 AM PDT

  •  Another good health diary, thank you! (4+ / 0-)

    Please go and SCHIP: The Children Are Our Future if you haven't done so already - it's an excellent and very detailed action diary that needs to be seen this afternoon - today is National Call-In Day to urge our representatives to override Bush's veto!

    "Civility costs nothing and buys everything." - Mary Wortley Montagu

    by sarac on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 10:08:14 AM PDT

  •  Wow. That was excellent! (4+ / 0-)

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    That was so compassionate of him - and pro life too!  

    "Like, if you are female, you know[snaps gum], and you could like, get pregnant - you should stick with whatevah piece of shit job that has health insurance benefits.  Why?  Well, duh, because I think so!"

    Proud member of the Cult of Issues and Substance!

    by Fabian on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 10:09:14 AM PDT

  •  Sickening... (6+ / 0-)

    From there she took a job at a restaurant with no health insurance, and the couple went on to have a baby anyway, presuming that others would pay for it and certainly long before they knew their daughter would have heart defect that probably cost the gross national product of Burkina Faso to fix.

    Interesting.  So what happens if Dara gets pregnant by accident?  What is Mark's position re:choice?  He kind of glosses over this part here, "the couple went on to have a baby anyway" without offering any alternative suggestions for the course of action if Dara became pregnant and the Wilkersons determined that they were either unwilling or unable to care for a child.  It seems pretty clear that if Mark is anti-choice, he belongs squarely in the love the fetus, hate the child category.

  •  These right-wingers just can't help themselves (10+ / 0-)

    I'm sure that smarter right-wingers realize how evil and uncaring this makes them look, but they've managed to paint themselves into a corner with their fanatical ideology, so they have to do it.

  •  Death to everyone (6+ / 0-)

    who gets sick and doesn't have insurance!!

    Bush's presidency is now inextricably yoked to the policies of aggression and subjugation. Mike Whitney

    by dfarrah on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 10:15:22 AM PDT

    •  assuming (3+ / 0-)

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      you can get that procedure that is required to save your life approved.

      •  Yeah, insurance is (1+ / 0-)

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        almost worthless, anyway.

        Bush's presidency is now inextricably yoked to the policies of aggression and subjugation. Mike Whitney

        by dfarrah on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 10:51:36 AM PDT

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      •  Ideology is getting oxymoronic... (0+ / 0-)

        My company is implementing more and more subtle pressures to get people to healthy BMIs.  Right now, it's being structured on awards, but I assume that at some point it will introduce penalties (similar to smokers, who pay more for health insurance at my company than nonsmokers do.)

        At the same time, the company chose to discontinue coverage for bariatric surgery in any of its offered health care plans.  The one treatment that is successful more often than not!  The rubric was that it had too high a fatality rate, but I think they took a closer look at morbidly obese BMI rates in their employee base and saw how much surgery they might end up paying for - and chose to discontinue coverage for that reason, not due to fatality rates.

        Sigh.

        "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." Dorothy Parker

        by AnnCetera on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 10:58:02 AM PDT

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        •  bariatric surgery (1+ / 0-)

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          is twisted because insurance companies would only approve it if a patient's BMI was X high.  So it had the twisted effect of encouraging people to gain weight in order to qualify.

          Problems with the surgery.

          1. It's only 'approved' for the morbidly obese who are by definition, poor surgery risks.
          1. It only works in conjunction with behavior modification.  It is completely possible to 'cheat' after surgery and not lose the weight.
          1. The surgery is the lesser of two evils because it creates a digestive dysfunction.

          Proud member of the Cult of Issues and Substance!

          by Fabian on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 11:13:59 AM PDT

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  •  I see the GOP is still pro-family (11+ / 0-)

    I mean, isn't there something perverse about being criticized for NOT allowing whether you can get a job with insurance rule your life.

    And I'm sure that had the mother stayed at a job that was "unmanageable" and was thus unable to care for a kid who now had insurance, I'm sure that would be seen as an irresponsible decision since you shouldn't have a kid unless you have time to care for it, right?

    Since when did the GOP become a champion of letting a woman work full time, anyway?

    •  Since many of the few jobs with insurance (3+ / 0-)

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      are girl's work.  Remember that us guys are supposed to be entrepreneurs!

      And if you're lucky enough to get a job with insurance, then you are bound to stay in it, no matter what the working conditions.

      How far are we from people standing on the freeway offramps with signs
      "Will work for health insurance!"

      You kids behave or I'm turning this universe around RIGHT NOW! - god

      by Clem Yeobright on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 11:08:43 AM PDT

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  •  Yet again (8+ / 0-)

    Republicans prove that they want to run your lives. You can only have children if you fill their criteria before having said child. You must solemnly swear to never, ever, ever be in a circumstance where you might require assistance(thereby jeopardizing tax cuts for the top 1%). What makes it even more egregarious is that the Republicans have chided the Democrats for years about wanting to control aspects of peoples lives. They have derided big government control. At least when the Democrats attempt to control they are honest about it. Republicans seem to prove over and over again that they are a party of hypocrites.

  •  Next comes the argument (7+ / 0-)

    that none of us should be allowed to reproduce if we have a family history of medical conditions are that are known to have a genetic predisposition; and, I suppose, insurance companies should be able to deny coverage (or effectively deny coverage by charging unconscionably high premiums) to such families.

    Yup -- my boys, and my nieces and nephews, should all be banned from breeding because autism and bi-polar disorder have an apparent genetic component.  No grandkids for you!

    The time for action is past. Now is the time for senseless bickering -- My T-Shirt

    by Frankenoid on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 10:26:34 AM PDT

  •  it should be noted that the obvious response (5+ / 0-)

    to this will be "See?!? I never said 'Let the baby die'! I even said how grateful I was that she was okay!!! He's doing just what what I said they do!"

    That ignores the only possible conclusion to Hemingway's inquisition: that people shouldn't get public money for sick children if they've made what he deems "irresponsible choices." This would, without question, result in the unneccessary death of sick children - like Bethany Wilkerson.

    There is just no getting around that.

    •  but but but (2+ / 0-)

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      he didn't say that. One should ask Mr. Hemingway what he believes should be the punishment for children who have parents that HE believes engaged in irresponsible behavior. With health care costs soaring there is going to be a time when people like Mr. Hemingway have to decide if children are going to be held hostage to the decisions their parents make or if we are going to ensure innocent children who have no control over what family they are born into get the same opportunity to succeed and become productive members of society as their more affluent peers.

      I wonder where Mr Hemingway was railing about irresponsible behavior when it is someone on the right engaging in "irresponsible behavior."

  •  Heh, what a douchebag (3+ / 0-)

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    So I hope Bethany grows up strong — I’m worried about her. Not because I’m worried that the state won’t take care of her, but I’m afraid that her parents will continue to set a bad example. In which case, she’ll need all the help she can get.

    I think Bethany will recover from her parents' bad example of bringing her into existence.

    Seriously, before a clown like Hemingway is allowed to question the very existence of children in need and argue for denial of basic health benefits for children because of the supposed crimes of their parents (usually the high crime of "irresponsibility"), Hemingway needs to open up his own financial history and justify his own fucking choices.

    I really love this debate, it's proving conclusively that the Republican party hates the working middle class just as much as it hates the poor.  Lower middle class GOP supporters should be slackjawed with the epiphany that their party doesn't give a shit if they live or die.

    "I will not rest until every year families gather to spend December 25th together at Osama's homo-abortion-pot-and-commie-jizzporium." - Jon Stewart

    by Slim Tyranny on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 10:45:59 AM PDT

    •  But that's the thing (2+ / 0-)

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      The piece doesn't reflect how he really thinks - it simply repeats someone else's argument. he would never personally let a child die, but doesn't seem to realize that his argument argues exactly for that. He'd say No, I want people to be more responsible. Fine. But you can't on the way there ignore real needs.

  •  "unmanageable" job (4+ / 0-)

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    Apparently, 'unmanageable' jobs do not exist in Mark Hemingway's rosy little world.

    Goes right in with that conservative school of thought that we should all be grateful that a rich person has given us a job using the money he got from his tax cut.

    only fools are enslaved by time and space

    by PanzerMensch on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 10:49:50 AM PDT

  •  All the government support to birth the baby... (2+ / 0-)

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    ...and then zero support once the baby is born.

    The neo-con smear attack is laughable at best.  They are grasping at whatever straws they can think about to discredit the program and those that have benefited from it.  

    When not even the MSM including traditionally conservative outlets like the Wall Stree Journal aren't even taking their argument seriously, the desperation simply radiates off of them.

  •  Let them keep it coming.... (3+ / 0-)

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    these attacks on children that have serious injuries or birth defects highlight the utter callusness of the Republicans.

    The more they continue this attack on these very sick children the more apparent their extremism is shown to be.

    Keep thos Schip ads coming, and hope the the right continues their attacks.

    It shows them as the sad, pathetic, greedy, short-sighted fools they really are.

  •  Hell I'm a college student (3+ / 0-)

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    whose parents make more then $80,000 a year. Guess what I couldn't afford dental work into the infection got to the point where it was life threatening and then Dad actually stepped up. Granted I didn't want to ask, personally being insured in some way would be preferable. Guess what my personal favorite of this little game these days you can't go to undergrad without health insurance. Wheee!

  •  So let me get this straight (3+ / 0-)

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    they should have used birth control?  No, I think they should have used abstinence only.  They shouldn't have gotten married?  Or should they have conformed to the "marriage initiative?"  I get so confused. . .

    If you think you're too small to be effective, you've never been in the dark with a mosquito.

    by marykk on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 11:24:39 AM PDT

  •  Wingers are pro-life... (2+ / 0-)

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    ...until birth.  

    And wingers scream about the children if it's a nipple shown on a Super Bowl halftime show, but not if they have to sacrifice Big Tobacco profits to help keep children healthy.

    9-11 changed everything? Well, Katrina changed it back.

    by varro on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 11:24:47 AM PDT

  •  Another moral: don't work for a small business. (1+ / 0-)

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    These guys aren't pro-business anymore, they're pro-transnational mega-business. SBOs are screwed twice: 1) gotta compete with foreign goods manufactured by companies that don't have to provide insurance, and 2) get hosed by mega insurance companies because the SBOs don't have any bargaining position.

    Ah, but does the Buddha have cat nature?
    --dallasdave ca. 2008

    by dallasdave on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 12:03:45 PM PDT

  •  As a FORMER Republican (1+ / 0-)

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    I have to admit you've got it pretty much figured out.  I am also a responsible, CHILDLESS former Republican because: 1) I avoided sex before marriage because I was afraid of getting pregnant (the Pill just did NOT agree with my body), 2) I avoided pregnancy within marriage for ten years by rhythm/timed abstinence because we weren't financially ready to pay for child care and only my job had health insurance coverage, 3) I ended up "infertile" by the time we were able to afford children (at 40, that's hardly unusual), and 4) they don't let you adopt if the female (but not the male) is over 40.  So I was responsible, followed all the good Republican rules, and avoided adding to the population explosion.  Not that I would have made a good mother at any time until after my body was no longer interested, because I had a lot to learn and unlearn.  But I did, like many middle and working-class Republicans, resent the people who just damned all and went ahead with it when they COULDN'T afford it, and like most Republicans, I blamed the fact that I was paying taxes to support assistance and benefits for "those people" for my own inability to afford the same.

    Now, the truth is, that if we follow the Republican rules and avoid having children we can't afford, whether married or unmarried, insured or uninsured, we would also reduce the excess human population, which is really a Good Thing.  The world doesn't need more babies who aren't getting proper care, whether for lack of health insurance or because both parents are working 60 hours a week and dropping baby off at a cheap, inadequate daycare for warehousing.  But it reveals something about a society or a subculture, when you can pin it down to "Only the rich deserve to have children".  Something nasty.  And I've figured out that MY taxes aren't paying a whole hell of a lot towards benefits for anybody; that's one reason we don't have much money to spend on those benefits.  Because for some reason, Warren Buffet isn't paying any more as a percentage of his income than I am.  And he can afford it a hell of a lot better.  Even if he's also supporting sixteen grandchildren.  So to hell with this.  We need a just system of taxation that takes, yes, from those who HAVE MORE, and gives the bare necessities of survival to those who otherwise HAVE NOTHING.  And that doesn't fritter it all away paying for planes, guns, and bombs to take over small third-world nations.

    It would be a good idea if rich people stopped having babies, too.  But we should not support a society that basically steals from the poor to give to the rich.  Basic, decent care for everyone on an equal basis is the only right thing to do.  If wild dogs in the African desert can do it, we ought to be able to.

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