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Brownback out. who's next? Why we should care- (w/poll)

Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 07:20:05 AM PDT

Believe me, I'm no Sam Brownback fan by any stretch of the imagination, but I do find it interesting that he would decide to get out now.  I think it's important for us to follow what's going on within the dark side because it will affect strategy on ours.....

From MSNBC:

Republican Sam Brownback will drop out of the 2008 presidential campaign on Friday, people close to the Kansas senator said Thursday.

Brownback, a longshot conservative contender, had trouble raising money to compete in the race. He is expected announce his withdrawal in Topeka, Kan.

He raised a little more than $800,000 in the third quarter of this year, his lowest quarterly amount since entering race. He has brought in more than $4 million overall and is eligible for $2 million in federal matching funds.

If he's eligible for 2 million in matching funds, why not stay in a while longer, run some ads supporting the causes he cares about (causes so far to the right they make McCain look liberal), and see what happens in Iowa?

Probably because the only reason he ever got in the race in the first place was to increase his national visibility as he prepares for a run for governor in 2010:

Brownback, who is in his second term, had said in his first Senate campaign he would serve no more than two terms in Senate. He is widely expected to seek the Kansas governor’s office in 2010.

I think there is a fine line between entering the race to "shape the dialogue" and entering solely fr your own selfish political purposes.  

Two questions now:

1-- Does this effect anyone else substantially?
2-- Does it have any role on the Democratic primary?

My thoughts:

1-- This helps Mike Huckabee tremendously.  While rumors still abound that the religious right might consider a third party candidate should the GOP nominate not a real conservative, I think they will eventually realize they have a candidate already in the race:  Mike Huckabee.  He's basically their goldilocks candidate-- Rudy is too liberal, Romney is too phony, McCain is too unreliable, Thompson is too horrendous, Huckabee may be just right.  Iowa voters on both sides of the aisle tend to enjoy surprising the conventional wisdom, and I could see Huckabee pulling off a huge upset in Iowa late just like Kerry did.  As Iowa approaches, I would think some of the others on the GOP side are likely to bolt the race-- how much longer can Duncan Hunter, Tom Tancredo, et al continue?  That race is essentially down to Romney, Rudy, McCain, Huckabee, and Paul (yes, there are articles being written about how Paul could win New Hampshire....), but realistically, Rudy, Romney, McCain, and Huck.  If the GOP decides to stay pure in its principals, and if they decide to vote not based on "who can beat a democrat" but who best represents their "values", Huckabee could pull it off.  I think realistically, he's the only one who may benefit from this latest news, if anyone does at all on the GOP side.

2-- As far as the good guys go, not sure it makes much of an impact, if at all, except that it might hurt Joe Biden a little bit since Brownback co-sponsored Biden's resolution (non-binding, of course) that sought to created a soft partition in Iraq.  It's non-binding, but it is the most bipartisan resolution we've seen in Congress on Iraq recently, getting over 70 votes in the Senate.......  Other than that, this probably doesn't affect us much, except if my thesis on Huckabee is correct.  If the GOP veers hard to the right by nominating a Southern Baptist minister with very strong views on abortion, stem cell research, gay rights, and religion, that may increase the moderate slice of the independent electorate at play for us in 2008.  Huckabee is an excellent speaker, who comes across as a well intentioned, nice guy who doesn't have the venom we've seen from the right in the past.  In order to beat him, it will be crucial to have a democratic nominee willing to point out how extreme his views are, not try to cow-tow to those views.  In other words, we will need a candidate willing to make clear distinctions with him, not try to play for the same votes.

I worry that a Huckabee candidacy would lead HRC and her advisors to conclude that they need to play on his turf to get votes, as opposed to pointing out their differences, showing the country how intrusive and extreme his views are (and how more than 60% of the country disagrees with him), and driving moderate independents in force back to our party.  We need a candidate who will be willing to be tough and delineate our differences clearly.

I'm still hoping and praying that candidate will be Al Gore, but my hopes are starting to fade just slightly after the last few days of news.  I'm trying to believe still that he'll get in and fight the fight on behalf of our children and our planet, but he's looking awfully comfortable not in the race.....

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  •  thoughts? n/t (10+ / 0-)

    "Years from now, you'll look back and you'll say that this was the moment-this was the place-where America remembered what it means to hope."-Barack Obama '08

    by anoodle on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 07:19:28 AM PDT

    •  Brownback is slime, repubs like slime (2+ / 0-)

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      anoodle, AuntieM

      So maybe he was too one-dimensional to get traction on the national stage.  How many of the remaining republican idiots believe in Creationism?

      •  In the first debate...... (2+ / 0-)

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        Hey BB, AuntieM

        none of them would raise their hand to show their support for "evolution."  Pathetic when science becomes something that's even debatable in terms of support.

        "Years from now, you'll look back and you'll say that this was the moment-this was the place-where America remembered what it means to hope."-Barack Obama '08

        by anoodle on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 07:30:52 AM PDT

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    •  Agree with the analysis (3+ / 0-)

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      DaleA, anoodle, sd4david

      Huckabee would be tough on Hillary for another readon--he has a record as an economic populist.  Of course, I suspect the big money club on the GOP side will pull out all the stops to deny him the nomination.

      The frogurt is also cursed. -8.25, -6.51

      by Superribbie on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 07:32:15 AM PDT

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      •  yes (0+ / 0-)

        it would be interesting to see if the war between the financial part of the party and the religious right.  That's what I mean, though, when I say that the Dem nominee would have to be clear as day about the differences between us and him.  If they try to make nice, we could lose, and if you think Bush's judges are too far to the right, you ain't seen nothing yet.

        "Years from now, you'll look back and you'll say that this was the moment-this was the place-where America remembered what it means to hope."-Barack Obama '08

        by anoodle on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 07:34:06 AM PDT

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    •  Interesting point on the gov race (2+ / 0-)

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      anoodle, milton333

      Thanks for the insight.

      •  no problem..... (0+ / 0-)

        Iowa seems like the place where the media often misses the point, and I could see Huckabee being the story there.  They're so focused on the lackluster Thompson and Rudy vs Romney, and whether or not McCain could be a maverick again and get NH to vote for him, they're missing the Huck story.

        "Years from now, you'll look back and you'll say that this was the moment-this was the place-where America remembered what it means to hope."-Barack Obama '08

        by anoodle on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 07:49:45 AM PDT

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  •  Excellent analysis (1+ / 0-)

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    anoodle

    Thanks for reporting the news and doing such a good job of analyzing it. The dream candidate (for us) would be Huckabee. Imagine Americans confronted with a candidate who does not believe in evolution.

    •  yup (2+ / 0-)

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      Trapper John, cadejo4

      but only if our candidate is willing to clearly make the distinction.  Huck is a smooth talker, he has an interesting personal story, and I could see how the MSM would make the narrative less than specific about him.  If our nominee tries to play on his turf, we could have issues.  If he or she seeks to clearly differentiate himself or herself, we win handily.

      "Years from now, you'll look back and you'll say that this was the moment-this was the place-where America remembered what it means to hope."-Barack Obama '08

      by anoodle on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 07:32:08 AM PDT

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      •  It will be very easy to brand him as a radical (0+ / 0-)

        We can easily brand him and the labels will all stick. And there's always the possibility of something from his past jumping out of the closet to demoralize his supporters, which would just be sauce for the goose.

        •  he'd be tough (2+ / 0-)

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          ellefarr, TomFromNJ

          to do that too.  He has a way of speaking that sounds tough to demonize.  It would really require getting him flustered and admitting what he really believes-- that abortion should be illegal everywhere, that pregnant mothers and physicians would be subject to jail time, etc, and that christianity has a significant role to play in our government.  If the press talks about how he's a humble man, a minister, a guy who has a great personal story of struggle (his weight issue), etc, instead of how he's out of touch with society, we could have problems.

          "Years from now, you'll look back and you'll say that this was the moment-this was the place-where America remembered what it means to hope."-Barack Obama '08

          by anoodle on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 07:39:34 AM PDT

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          •  especially since... (0+ / 0-)

            he could galvanize the right and probably still convince enough republican moderates who don't love Hillary to vote for him instead.  

            Maybe I'm giving him too much credit, but I'm a little nervous about him as the nominee.....mainly because of how the media would portray him.

            "Years from now, you'll look back and you'll say that this was the moment-this was the place-where America remembered what it means to hope."-Barack Obama '08

            by anoodle on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 07:40:38 AM PDT

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          •  yeah, he very folksy about economic issues (2+ / 0-)

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            anoodle, TomFromNJ

            when he's forced to talk about religion, he squirms and goes off the deep end but he knows how to connect with ordinary voters who work hard, pay their bills but are falling behind.  He gets them and they get him.

            John McCain gets economic advice from subprime mortgage banking lobbyist

            by gaspare on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 07:43:43 AM PDT

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            •  yup (1+ / 0-)

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              gaspare

              and if the religious right knows where he stands, they will probably let him say things and wink at them like Bush did, but spend most of his time trying to win the moderates who don't love Hillary.

              The media would be key, and we would need a nominee willing to define him before he had the chance to define himself.

              "Years from now, you'll look back and you'll say that this was the moment-this was the place-where America remembered what it means to hope."-Barack Obama '08

              by anoodle on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 07:46:11 AM PDT

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          •  Well, he's already on record (1+ / 0-)

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            anoodle

            He's already on record as saying he doesn't believe in evolution during the debate. There's a video of it on YouTube. He can try the coded language bit to try to broaden his base, like Bush did, but there's too much out there already. I think the strategy should be for Dems to work on getting Giuliani and McCain's favorability ratings as low as possible, and if one of them is chosen, we're in great shape for November 08. If they get knocked out, so much the better. We get Huckabee.

          •  You're right about his speaking style. (0+ / 0-)

            When Bill Clinton was doing his book tour he was asked about the Republican candidates. He spoke almost glowingly of Huckabee and felt that he would be a very good candidate because of his speaking style. Clinton said that Huckabee, from Hope, Arkansas, came from the same oral tradition speakers that Clinton came from. It gives both of them an ease in front of audiences and a way of reading the audience to gauge their reactions and change course slightly to win them over. Both Clinton and Huckabee are very effective public speakers.

            It would be interesting to hear the punditocracy's views on his speaking style. What was slick with Clinton would probably be sincere with Huckabee.

    •  Haven't we have had two presidents who (2+ / 0-)

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      mcfly, R Rhino from CT4

      don't believe in evolution: Reagan and Bush the Least? I don't think the majority of the voting public believes that evolution has taken place, is taking place, and will go on taking place.

    •  Evolution brings out ... (2+ / 0-)

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      mcfly, R Rhino from CT4

      Not so much Americans' hypocrisy as their ability to believe two things at once. I bet there is are an enormous number of Americans who take evolution for granted for practical purposes; if you asked if birds are descended from dinosaurs they'd say yes. But if you ask them whether they believe in evolution or Genesis they'll say Genesis.

      If Huckabee is the nominee, it's his views on policy issues that will sink him, not evolution.

      The best fortress is to be found in the love of the people - Niccolo Machiavelli

      by al Fubar on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 07:57:59 AM PDT

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      •  Well, in my world (1+ / 0-)

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        cadejo4

        Only an idiot could possibly oppose evolution.
        We have one thanks, I don't want another.

        I we send another delusional moron to the White House, we lose the rest of the world... and the slow slide to 3rd world status begins in earnest.

        "The world is a mess, and I just need... to rule it" - Dr. Horrible

        by Niniane on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 08:02:50 AM PDT

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      •  Do you really think so? (0+ / 0-)

        I don't think many Americans vote for policies. (How many of us will choose the candidate whose policy statements most agree with our own views in the Democratic primaries?) I mention evolution because his is an extremist, uninformed position, like his other social stances. There aren't many people who would vote for those radical views, but there are plenty who would vote against them. The Republicans can mainstream a Giuliani or a McCain, but they can't mainstream Huckabee.

  •  Gov Brownback ? Oh shit !!! Nooooooo (5+ / 0-)

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    al Fubar, gaspare, anoodle, mcfly, daliscar

    This could ruin my day.

    If a man claims to speak for god he will assure he is also gods' banker.

    by AuntieM on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 07:37:01 AM PDT

  •  I voted for the rat... (0+ / 0-)

    Who stands a better chance of winning the nomination than Brownback or Huckabee do.

    Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
    I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
    -Spike Milligan

    by polecat on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 07:42:43 AM PDT

  •  Helps Huckabee, but (0+ / 0-)

    no way does it make him "more likely" to be the nominee.  He's still a big long shot, and Iowa is likely to his high water mark.

    A proud member of the "far left."

    by Paleo on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 07:45:33 AM PDT

    •  isn't that what helps means? (0+ / 0-)

      It moves him a notch or two, not that he's close to being in real contention yet, but he could turn a higher than expected Iowa finish into the story, and could attract the right in ways the others can't.

      "Years from now, you'll look back and you'll say that this was the moment-this was the place-where America remembered what it means to hope."-Barack Obama '08

      by anoodle on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 07:47:48 AM PDT

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  •  Earlier This Week (1+ / 0-)

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    anoodle

    I thought I read that he was going to quit if he placed worse than fourth in Iowa.  Apparently his lack of money and standing in the polls forced an earlier exit.

    I guess I'm glad to see him out, although having him in the race helps highlight the fact that the R's are now out of the mainstream - far out.

  •  Sam who? (1+ / 0-)

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    anoodle

    "I'm not a member of any organized political party, ... I'm a Democrat." Will Rodgers

    by CCSDem on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 07:51:18 AM PDT

  •  Brownback's Bow Out Helps Romney (0+ / 0-)

    In the last 2 weeks I have noticed that the religious right is beginning to consolidate behind Romney.  It is dawning on them that Rudy could win this thing against this field and that Fred Thompson is a bust.

    For the far right, they can afford to lose the 2008 general election as long as they retain their role as the kingmakers for the party.  If Rudy wins, however, that would be a huge defeat for them.  It would decisively establish that the GOP's primary base of GOP voters is not cultural conservatives, but hedonists who support the anti-tax/shoot first, ask questions later foreign policy positions of the party.  They would quickly become marginalized as the country continues in many respects to become more progressive socially.

    Rudy is currently the front runner and people are beginning to attack him:  McCain, Thompson and Romney.  Ron Paul is also a real threat to win some primaries in the northeast and perhaps other regions.  This is the perfect time to coalesce against Rudy and that's why Brownback bowed out.

    Alternative rock with something to say: http://www.myspace.com/globalshakedown

    by khyber900 on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 08:17:41 AM PDT

    •  On the other hand ... (0+ / 0-)

      If they nominate Romney and he goes down, the religious right is toast. The best bet for them is for the GOP to nominate Rudy and go down; then they can say that straying from the faith was the cause.

      The best fortress is to be found in the love of the people - Niccolo Machiavelli

      by al Fubar on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 08:25:52 AM PDT

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    •  not sure (0+ / 0-)

      you might be right, but if Huck or Rudy starts running ads like the famous ads Bush ran against Kerry, he could suffer.  If I were working for them, I would just run an ad with Romney speaking in 1994, then show him today, then fade to black with "Can you really trust him?"

      If they ran ads like that, they'd knock Romney down so fast.  I wonder how much of his support is real.  He's spending a fortune, running ads all over the place, loaning the campaign millions, yet he hasn't really moved nationally at all.  Yes, he leads in Iowa and NH, but it's within the margin and the other candidates haven't hit the airwaves there yet......

      Romney just seems like a giant phony.  Of all the Repubs, I think I'd most like to see him win.

      "Years from now, you'll look back and you'll say that this was the moment-this was the place-where America remembered what it means to hope."-Barack Obama '08

      by anoodle on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 08:45:47 AM PDT

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  •  The thought of Gov Brownback (0+ / 0-)

    scares the fuck out of me.

    When McCain talks he sounds like an evil Mr. Rogers.

    by clonecone on Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 08:25:16 AM PDT

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