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Is Bush Lying about Iran and EFP's -- Again?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 06:44:08 AM PDT

Since earlier this year, the White Hose and the Pentagon have claimed that Iran supplied explosively formed penetrators, or EFP's, used in Iraq to kill American soldiers.  Despite evidence that these weapons were manufactured in Iraq, they have continued to assert that Iran was the supplier.

That Iran suppled these EFP's was one reason the State Department official designated Iran's Qods Force as a terrorist organization, a move which could be used to justify an attack on Iran.  Gareth Porter has now posted "Explosive charge blows up in US's face" that alleges US military has known for some time that Iran is not the source of the EFP's, but chose to repress this information and present false reports accusing Iran under orders from the White House.   An excerpt from that report follows:

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WASHINGTON - When the United States military command accused the Iranian Quds Force in January of providing the armor-piercing EFPs (explosively formed penetrators) that were killing US troops, it knew that Iraqi machine shops had been producing their own EFPs for years, a review of the historical record of evidence on EFPs in Iraq shows.

The record also shows that the US command had considerable evidence that the Mahdi Army of Shi'ite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr had received the technology and the training on how to use it from Hezbollah, rather than Iran.

The command, operating under close White House supervision, chose to deny these facts in making the dramatic accusation that became the main rationale for the present aggressive US stance toward Iran. Although the George W Bush administration initially limited the accusation to the Quds Force, it has recently begun to assert that top officials of the Iranian regime are responsible for arms that are killing US troops. [...]

US intelligence also knew that Hezbollah was conducting the training of Mahdi Army militants on EFPs. In August 2005, Newsday published a report from correspondent Mohammed Bazzi that Shi'ite fighters had begun in early 2005 to copy Hezbollah techniques for building the bombs, as well as for carrying out roadside ambushes, citing both Iraqi and Lebanese officials.

In late November 2006, a senior intelligence official told both CNN and the New York Times that Hezbollah troops had trained as many as 2,000 Mahdi Army fighters in Lebanon.

The fact that the Mahdi Army's major military connection has always been with Hezbollah rather than Iran would also explain the presence in Iraq of the PRG-29, a shoulder-fired anti-armor weapon. Although US military briefers identified it last February as being Iranian-made, the RPG-29 is not manufactured by Iran but by the Russian Federation. [...]

After British convoys in Maysan province were attacked by a series of EFP bombings in late May 2006, Knights recounts, British forces discovered a factory making them in Majar al-Kabir north of Basra in June.

In addition, the US military also had its own forensic evidence by the autumn of 2006 that EFPs used against its vehicles had been manufactured in Iraq, according to Knights. He cites photographic evidence of EFP strikes on US armored vehicles that "typically shows a mixture of clean penetrations from fully-formed EFP and spattering ..." That pattern reflected the fact that the locally made EFPs were imperfect, some of them forming the required shape to penetrate but some of them failing to do so.

Then US troops began finding EFP factories. Journalist Andrew Cockburn reported in the Los Angeles Times in mid-February that US troops had raided a Baghdad machine shop in November 2006 and discovered "a pile of copper discs, five inches in diameter, stamped out as part of what was clearly an ongoing order" [...]

Nevertheless, the Bush administration decided to put the blame for the EFPs squarely on the Quds Force of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, after Bush agreed in autumn 2006 to target the Quds Force within Iran to make Iranian leaders feel vulnerable to US power. The allegedly exclusive Iranian manufacture of EFPs was the administration's only argument for holding the Quds Force responsible for their use against US forces.

In short, Hezbollah, an organization with ties to Muqtada al Sadr and the Mahdi Army, supplied the training and technology necessary to make EFP's years ago.  Muqtada al Sadr and his organization are Iraqi nationalists and have generally remained independent of Iran.  The Mahdi Army is the primary Shi'ite militia and political party which has opposed Prime Minister Maliki's government.  Its adversary among the Iraqi Shi'a population is the Badr Corps, the armed wing of the Supreme Council of Islamic Revolution in Iraq, the main backer of Maliki's government, which does have close ties to Iran.  Indeed, the Badr Corps fought on behalf of Iran during the Iran-Iraq War.  It is the Badr Corps which makes up a significant portion of the Iraqi Police, and its fighters have been trained and supplied by the US military in Iraq and by Iran's Revolutionary Guard.  In brief, the Iraqi militia most closely tied to Iran is also the one most closely tied to the United States.  

So, the record shows that the Shi'ite group most closely aligned with Iran, SCIRI and it's militia the Badr Corps, is also the main US ally among the Shi'a.  The Shi'a militia which has most often been at odds with the United States (and at times actively engaged in military confrontations with US forces), is the Mahdi Army and its leader, Muqtada al Sadr.  The Mahdi Army has in the past received training and support from Hezbollah, and it considers SCIRI and the Badr Corpsand SCIRI to be its main adversary.   And now it appears that the US military knew all along that EFP technology had been given to the Mahdi Army years ago by Hezbollah, and that most if not all EFP's used against our troops are being produced inside Iraq. Indeed, Iran supports the Shi'a organizations in Iraq which make up the core faction of the current Iraqi regime, and which the US has also supported, trained and equipped.  The Iraqi Shi'a who have not been fighting us in other words.

Yet the US military in Iraq, and Bush officials at the Pentagon, the State Department and the White House, have continued to assert that it is Iran which is behind the use of EFP's against our troops in Iraq.  In short, they have been actively deceiving the American public and Congress in order to further the agenda of the Bush administration to provoke a military confrontation with Iran.

As Gareth Porter demonstrates in his story, several reports have exposed the falsity of these claims.  For example, in February of this year Jane Arraf of NBC filed a report which indicated that, despite the military's claims of Iranian manufacture of EFP's, many EFP factories inside Iraq had already been discovered by US forces.  Yet despite all the reports which indicate that the US military and the Bush administration are all wet when they seek to blame the EFP problem on Iran, the dominant media narrative continues to be the formed around their continued assertions that Iran is providing the armaments that are killing our troops:

The Arraf story was ignored by the news media, and the Bush administration has continued to assert the Iranian EFP charge as though it had never been questioned.

It soon became such an accepted part of the media narrative on Iran and Iraq that the only issue about which reporters bother to ask questions is whether the top leaders of the Iranian government have approved the alleged Quds Force operation.

All I can add at this point is that I simply do not trust the veracity of any claim made by the Bush administration these days.  They have consistently lied and misled the American people so many times over the last nearly seven years that to accept what they say at face value on any issue is foolish and unreasonable.  And especially when it comes allegations which could be used to justify more wars, I am particularly skeptical.  Gareth Porter's article is well researched and documented, something I cannot say for the continued assertions by the White House that Iran is the greatest threat to world peace since -- well, since Hitler.

Yet for some reason much of our mainstream media continues to unquestionably repeat the narratives that the administration pushes on them with little or no investigation into the truth or falsity of those "stories."  One can only speculate as to why a press corps that was so relentless in its investigations of the previous Democratic President, now feels no need to challenge the Republican who now holds that exalted office, despite the fact that he has repeatedly misled and deceived them, and through them the American public, time after time after time.

I do know this: if the media doesn't start challenging his administration's unfounded allegations and begin actively investigating the truth behind the spin this administration keeps putting out regarding Iran, we will shortly find ourselves in another war, one that will once more put our soldiers in harms way based on lies, half truths and falsehoods.  That war, the one  that Dick Cheney has eagerly anticipating and promoting for at least the last 4 years, will have consequences that will irrevocably alter our nation and the world, and not for the better.  

Also posted at Booman Tribune

Tags: Iran, George W. Bush, EFP, Hezbollah, Iraq War, Muqtada al-Sadr, Badr Corps, SCIRI, Quds Force, Condoleezza Rice (all tags) :: Previous Tag Versions

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  •  Tips, etc. (15+ / 0-)

    They've known all along Iran wasn't behind the EFP's in Iraq.  Yet our media continues to fall for their disinformation.

    "I just had the basic view of the American public -- it can't be that bad out there." Marine Travis Williams after 11 members of his squad were killed.

    by Steven D on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 06:45:18 AM PDT

    •  Why Not Attack Saudi Arabia? (5+ / 0-)

      By far the largest amount of US KIA's in Iraq as the result of IED & EFP are those detonated by Iraqi Sunnis.

      The Sunnis' main source of foreign economic and tactical support is no doubt from Saudi Arabia, the non-democratic monarchy.

      Also, whether Shia or Sunni, Iraqis do not need foreign help in building EFP's.
      The technology required has been around for many decades.

      Well I've been from Tucson to Tucumcari... Tehachapi to Tonopah--Lowell George/Little Feat

      by frandor55 on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 07:00:21 AM PDT

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    •  EFPs used in the oil industry (7+ / 0-)

      Shaped charges have been used for years in the oil industry.  See e.g. Concerning the Design of an Effective Shaped Charge for Oil Well Perforating

      So, if there were any oil in Iraq, we could expect that there'd be a bunch of folks who knew how to make and use shaped charges (aka "explosively formed penetrators").  Fortunately, there is no oil anywhere in the Mideast, so we don't have to worry about anyone knowing about this technology there...

    •  "Fall"? They are aiding and abetting. They are in (0+ / 0-)

      league with the neocons and Cheneyites.

      As I wrote in another thread:

      Last night on both NBC and PBS's News Hour, administration officials were allowed to spew lies and propaganda without question or query. It's so blatant. Not once did any of the reporters, aka news anchors, aka talking-heads, ask these people what kind of proof they had for any of the statements they were making. Not once.

      It's all lies, all the time. With so many neocons and radical right-wing pro-Israelists planted throughout our new media now, the drumbeat is the same as it was during the run up to the Iraq war, much of it being done by the same people.

      As I've said before, until we remove these traitors to this nation from our Fourth Estate, and stifle their unfettered ability to deliver lies and propaganda, our democracy will die (it is nearly dead now).

      Much of the MSM is guilty of treason, and should be treated as such. If they are going to choose to destroy our nation, we must make them pay the price traitors pay. There would be no Bush/Cheney, no neocons, and no war, without the MSM, period. They are as guilty as any other component in our rapid decent into maws of fascism.

      ..better that money be spent in the U.S. building windmills than squandered in the ME for Bush-McCain to tilt at them. -andydoubtless

      by Hornito on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 09:46:51 AM PDT

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  •  The Boy who would be King has cried (6+ / 0-)

    Wolf! so much during his ill-fated tenure, that even if he was telling the absolute truth, no one would believe him.

    However, no doubt he is lying about most everything he says on this issue.  He always does.

    Another day, another devalued Dollar. -6.00, -6.21

    by funluvn1 on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 06:50:02 AM PDT

  •  "Is Bush Lying" ? (6+ / 0-)

    Are his lips moving?  Just sayin'.

  •  When has he ever told the truth? (2+ / 0-)

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    Steven D, frandor55

    "Control oil and you control nations; control food and you control people..." Henry Kissinger

    by truong son traveler on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 06:56:41 AM PDT

  •  Yes. (2+ / 0-)

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    Next?

    - What happens on DailyKos, stays on Google.

    by Jon Meltzer on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 07:03:59 AM PDT

  •  Defective by design (3+ / 0-)

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    http://www.esquire.com/...

    "The hard-liners are upping the pressure on the State Department," says Leverett. "They're basically saying, 'You've been trying to engage Iran for more than a year now and what do you have to show for it? They keep building more centrifuges, they're sending this IED stuff over into Iraq that's killing American soldiers, the human-rights internal political situation has gotten more repressive -- what the hell do you have to show for this engagement strategy?' "

    But the engagement strategy was never serious and was designed to fail, they say. Over the last year, Rice has begun saying she would talk to "anybody, anywhere, anytime," but not to the Iranians unless they stopped enriching uranium first. That's not a serious approach to diplomacy, Mann says. Diplomacy is about talking to your enemies. That's how wars are averted. You work up to the big things. And when U.S. ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker had his much-publicized meeting with his Iranian counterpart in Baghdad this spring, he didn't even have permission from the White House to schedule a second meeting.

    ...

    This is what Leverett and Mann fear will happen: The diplomatic effort in the United Nations will fail when it becomes clear that Russia's and China's geopolitical ambitions will not accommodate the inconvenience of energy sanctions against Iran. Without any meaningful incentive from the U.S. to be friendly, Iran will keep meddling in Iraq and installing nuclear centrifuges. This will trigger a response from the hard-liners in the White House, who feel that it is their moral duty to deal with Iran before the Democrats take over American foreign policy. "If you get all those elements coming together, say in the first half of '08," says Leverett, "what is this president going to do? I think there is a serious risk he would decide to order an attack on the Iranian nuclear installations and probably a wider target zone."

  •  Ah, if it weren't for Iran (3+ / 0-)

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    we would have been received with flowers and sweets in Iraq.

    The Blameshifter-in-chief strikes again.

    We're shocked by a naked nipple, but not by naked aggression.

    by Lepanto on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 07:09:55 AM PDT

  •  Well Duh, of course Bush is lying (1+ / 0-)

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    And I don't understand why anyone today believes him.

  •  Yes, he's lying. as usual n/t (1+ / 0-)

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    frandor55
  •  Remind me again how Bill & Monica was (1+ / 0-)

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    frandor55

    far, far worse a lie than this?

  •  Of course he is! (1+ / 0-)

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    frandor55

    Bush WANTS to start another war the Senate has enabled him by passing the Kyl/lieberman ammendment.

    This is very serious. Bush can start a war any day now, with or without the approval of Congress.

  •  Asia Times question (1+ / 0-)

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    borkitekt

    Does anyone have any thoughts on the reliability of Asia Times as a source?  I generally find them very interesting and they tend to push the boundaries a lot, which is good in journalism.  I very rarely see them publish anything demonstrably false, but they write a lot of stories that I don't see elsewhere, so I have a hard time judging if they are true or not.  Anyone else have any thoughts?

    Separately, this particular story mentioned that RPG-29s were being used by Iraqi insurgents since at least June 2004.  But it quotes Strategypage.com, which I certainly don't think of as a news site, and I haven't heard of them being used in significant numbers in Iraq at all, never mind three years ago.  Has anyone hear more about RPG-29s being used in Iraq?

    •  Gareth Porter is a relaible source in my book (2+ / 0-)

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      wherever he publishes.

      Here's a link to US military claims of RPG-29 use in Iraq:

      LINK

      "I just had the basic view of the American public -- it can't be that bad out there." Marine Travis Williams after 11 members of his squad were killed.

      by Steven D on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 07:58:37 AM PDT

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      •  Thanks on both counts. (0+ / 0-)

        Gareth Porter is interesting.  However, on the RPG-29s, your link went to the World Tribune, which is an alarmist right-wing Drudge-linked rag (latest headlines: Syria was planning plutonium bombs, China about to attack Taiwan, Democrats are eviler than usual), so I'm not inclined to give it too much weight.

        The reason I'm harping on this point is precisely because we know what Iran is capable of.  Iran has advanced anti-tank missiles (RPG-29 and Koronet to name a couple), advanced anti-air MANPADS of many varieties, advanced anti-ship missiles, and very large numbers of unguided rockets.  If Iran were seriously arming the Iraqi insurgents, you would expect large numbers of these systems.  In fact, I can find very few references to any such systems over the last four years.

        We know what Iran could do, but the evidence isn't there.  That, more than anything, suggests the Iranian government isn't seriously arming the insurgents.

        •  The point was (0+ / 0-)

          that the US military is claiming these RPG 29s have been used in Iraq,  but tried to tie them to Iran (which Gareth Porter contests -- he claims RPG 29 usage would be indicative of supplies from Hezbollah to the Mahdi Army, not of Iranian manufacture and supply).  There are other sources that claim RPG 29's have been used in Iraq.  I just took the first story I found which quoted the US military confirming their use in Iraq back in May 2006.  Google RPG 29 and Iraq if you wish for more stories.

          "I just had the basic view of the American public -- it can't be that bad out there." Marine Travis Williams after 11 members of his squad were killed.

          by Steven D on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 08:47:51 AM PDT

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  •  So I guess if a Toyota truck is made in Texas (0+ / 0-)

    we shouldn't think that it's being "supplied" by the Japanese.

    I thought Iran and Hezbollah had more than a passing acquaintance, but you don't mention it. Sometimes the route between two EFPs is not a straight line.

    •  Iran supports Hezbollah, but (1+ / 0-)

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      it doesn't control them.  The EFP's used in Iraq were of Hezbollah design, and were developed independently of Iran.  That technology was passed to al Sadr's Mahdi Army, the group that has ties to Hezbollah, probably because they paid for the privilege.  The militias most closely aligned with Iran are those whom they US trained and supplied (indeed we trained some of the Badr Corps as death squads when Negroponte was the ambassador).  We don't fight the Badr Corps because they are our allies in Baghdad.  And they like us as long as we fight the Mahdi Army for them.

      Btw, most of the EFP's against US troops are used by Sunni insurgents, who also acquired the technology (probably by paying off corrupt Mahdi Army commanders for the knowledge, but maybe independently).  Iraq is a complicated place with complicated loyalties, often along tribal lines (that's one of the bones of contention between the Mahdi Army and the Badr Corps -- tribal conflicts that go way back).  There has been no evidence by the US military that ties Iran to the EFPs now being used in Iraq, and if it were it would be supplying them to its allies the Badr Corps, not the Madhi Army which is more nationalistic and less inclined to submit to Iranian influence.

      Besides, Bush et al. claimed claimed that the Qods force was supplying these weapons, not Hezbollah.  They claimed they were of Iranian design amd manufacture, not a Hezbollah design manufactured in Iraq.  The lies and disinformation should be obvious.

      Clear now?

      "I just had the basic view of the American public -- it can't be that bad out there." Marine Travis Williams after 11 members of his squad were killed.

      by Steven D on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 08:43:21 AM PDT

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      •  Yes, (0+ / 0-)

        I understood why you were showing the claim, but I'm still disputing the more basic point that there is much in the way of advanced weaponry in Iraq at all.

        For instance, the NYT from November 28, 2006 claimed that ONE US tank had recently been attacked by ONE RPG-29.  Without directly saying so, the article suggested that this was the first time such an attack was known to have occurred.

        Again, this goes back to my main point that the advanced weapons we would expect to see if Iran was arming the insurgents really aren't there.

      •  What's clear is you're just as interested in (0+ / 0-)

        absolving Iran as the administration is in indicting it.  

        Trouble is, they have the ability to collect evidence and you don't.  Therefore, your argument depends on discrediting their evidence, except you don't know what it is other than via open sources, many of whom are not exactly nonpartisan.Your parsing of factions is unpersuasive to me: Iran just wants to throw shit in the game. they have no obligations to whoever ends up with the weapons, as long as they're used against Americans.

  •  This issue is so important - Impeach Now! (0+ / 0-)

    I do not understand why people are not paying more attention to it.

    Bush is going to start a war with Iran any day now!

    The question is, given Bush´s dictatorship, how do we prevent this from happening?

    I think, as I have thought, forever it seems (since before Bush´s 2nd term) that Cheney and Bush must be impeached.

    If there were any time that that was imperative, it is NOW!

  •  Nobody Is Sending Anti-Tank Rockets (0+ / 0-)

    Like the ones that tore up the Israelis in Lebanon.

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    Good video of basic infantry weapon, the American AT4 LAW

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