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Health Care Costs: Somebody Pay Attention; They Will Kill Health Reform I

Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 03:48:57 PM PDT

US medicine is exorbitantly expensive and since 1970, that cost has grown 2.4 percentage points faster than the GDP  It is extremely difficult to imagine this rate of growth continuing.  In 1970, health costs amounted to 7.2% of GDP.   In 2005, they amounted to 16% of GDP.  They are projected to amount to 19.6% of GDP in 2016 if nothing is done to control them.  If health care costs continue to increase faster than does the GDP, health care will become the only thing we produce and consume in this nation.  That is not possible.  The ever increasing costs must be controlled.

It is not clear that the Democratic Presidential candidates recognize this or that they have the courage to confront the problem.  It seems obligatory for them to call for such changes as emphasizing preventive medicine as a means of preventing more serious and costly illnesses in the future.  They call for programs of chronic care management to reduce the costs of the populations that consume most health care resources.  They call for the universal use of electronic medical records to prevent expensive errors and duplication.  They call for new studies of "best practices" to encourage the development of guidelines to encourage providers to use the most cost-effective procedures and products.

Unfortunately these proposals address only minimally the major source of health care costs and cause of their escalation  In 2005, about 52% of total health care expenditures went to hospitals (30.8%) and physicians (21.2%).  Moreover, physicians are responsible for most other health care spending because they order it.  Are hospital costs high; a physician probably ordered the stay.  Do too many people see specialists; a physician probably made the referral.  Do Americans use too many prescription drugs; a physician prescribed then.  Are medical tests overused; a physician probably ordered them.

Researchers at The Dartmouth Institute for Health Policy and Clinical Practice (TDI) have complied detailed data and research reports atThe Dartmouth Atlas of Health Care describing the state of medical care in the United States.  (This work is cited by Obama and Clinton.)  More important, they have developed a persuasive theory to explain why medical costs are so high in this nation and why, counterintuitively, such high costs do not produce high quality medicine.

The extreme geographical differences in Medicare expenditures is striking.  The Dartmouth Atlas of Health Care provides data showing wide variations among states.  In 2003, the national average per capita spending was $6,968.  New Jersey spent $8,565/capita, 23% above the national average.  Hawaii, in contrast, spent $4778/capita, 31% below the national average.  

Even more striking, costs varied as much as four times among hospitals in the same state, California.  Costs even varied substantially between the University of California at Los Angeles Medical Center (UCLA) and the University of California at San Francisco Medical Center (UCSF).  During the last two years of life, Medicare reimbursed UCLA $$72,794/person, while UCSF collected $56,860/person, 78% as much as UCLA collected.

So, can these differences be explained.  The Dartmouth researchers think they can.  They examine three kinds of care.  Essential care, that for which there is substantial clinical evidence that it benefits patients, is underused to the same extent in all regions--high or low cost.  The selection of "Preference-sensitive care" alternatives, for which two or more valid treatment strategies are available, perhaps surgery or medical management, does not show a correlation with spending.  That is, high cost regions do not systematically choose the highest cost option.

In contrast, there is little or no evidence to guide physicians in making other decisions.  How often ought a patient with a given condition see a physician;  when should she be hospitalized; when should most diagnostic tests and screenings be done; which patients should be cared for in intensive care units?  There is no guidance in relation to these decisions.

It is this "supply sensitive" care, depending primarily on the physician's discretion, that correlates with high spending geographic areas.  Two Dartmouth studies demonstrate this correlation  here and here.  The first study examines the use of supply sensitive services and procedures in specific geographic regions during the final six months of Medicare beneficiaries' lives.  The second examines the same variables during the last two years of life.  Relying on Medicare data for people who were dead, they looked retrospectively at the medical services and procedures experienced by these beneficiaries.  They concluded that

The incremental Medicare dollar spent in regions with higher-than-average spending tends to be for medical specialist visits, diagnostic tests, and use of intensive care and hospitalizations for medical conditions.

Finally, the Dartmouth researchers find no evidence that high cost areas produce better care.  Others  reach similar conclusions  Whether measured by outcomes (i.e., mortality or morbidity) or by the expressed satisfaction of physicians and patients, quality is no better than in low spending areas and is sometimes worse.

So what accounts for this systematic variation in practice patterns.  After many years of study, the Dartmouth team has concluded that the culprits are is the local supply of hospital beds and of specialists and the medical culture that creates.  As Elliott Fisher, the director of TDI, testified before MedPac, which advises Congress on Medicare policy,

the likely diagnosis for --unwarranted variations in care, poor quality, and growth in spending is the problem of local capacity and culture and the fact that now no one is accountable for local capacity and political culture. Clinical evidence is an important but very limited determinant of physician practice,  Physicians practice within a local organizational context in a policy environment that profoundly influences their decision-making. The payment system that we currently have ensure that we're all able to stay busy. And any new capacity, recruiting new physicians, a new orthopedic surgeon, a new interventional cardiologist, is able to stay busy as well. And that creates the culture within which these physicians are practicing. They all need to stay busy, they see their patients more frequency.  The consequence is that what appear to the individual or to the system in the current payment system to be reasonable clinical or policy decisions, recruiting new physicians, lead in aggregate to the higher utilization, greater costs, and inadvertently to the lower quality care and the worse outcomes that we see.  

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If it is true that health care costs vary significantly within our nation, if as healthcare researcher Uwe Reinhardt noted, the best healthcare in the world costs twice as much as the best healthcare in the world, and if the "excess" costs produce no medical advantage, health care policy needs a much more significant reform than just throwing everyone to the tender mercies of the private insurance companies and researching "evidence based" practices to be used by individual physicians.

I will examine some of those policy implications in my next diary on this topic.

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  •  How does the current political (9+ / 0-)

    system even come close to creating an efficient, high quality and reasonably affordable (for society as a whole) health care system?

    •  A good beginning would be to take the money out (2+ / 0-)

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      of politics.

      As pharma is a big spender when it comes to lobbying, keeping their lobbying in check is critical to containing health costs. We already have an overly-expensive drug plan for seniors in place due to excessive corporate lobbying.

      Until our government is free of corporate influence from the medical and pharmaceutical industries, and it will take a seachange in public opinion to accomplish this, the pharmaceutical and medical industries will continue to raise prices, and prevent the public from learning about how to care for its own health. It is now a FDA regulation that only drugs can be promoted to treat, prevent or cure disease.

      If public education about healthcare was funded, we would see a shift in dietary practices, which would immediately enhance health and lower healthcare costs. Until we embrace prevention and education as better approaches to our national healthcare than the present focus on drugs and surgeries, we will continue to have out-of-control, spiraling healthcare costs.

      If all do not join now to save the good old ship of the Union this voyage nobody will have a chance to pilot her on another voyage. Abraham Lincoln

      by 4Freedom on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 04:21:19 PM PDT

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  •  Reminds me of Parkinson's law (5+ / 0-)

    The book by the British economist C. Northcote Parkinson, who studied the way that the British Colonial Service expanded as the Empire shrank.

    His conclusion was that work expanded to fill the time allotted to it. More workers, more work.

    In the medical industry, it seems to translate to more beds, more specialists, more billing.

    This is what the HMO system was supposed to prevent, and the theory worked well in non-profit organizations like Kaiser, but went crazy in crooked for-profit enterprises like Tenet.

    We won't find incremental fixes to healthcare in this country. Instead, we have to make it all non-profit, and put some decent people without financial incentives in positions to budget for care.

    •  Someplace, I recently saw someone make a (3+ / 0-)

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      distinction between HMOs, like Kaiser and a few other non-profits, and "managed care", the terrible product that insurance companies created.

      •  False difference about Kaiser (2+ / 0-)

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        Kaiser is a for profit business.

        Have you seen this video using still photos as background to the Nixon tapes, where Nixon is being briefed on his Health bill by Ehrlichman who says one issue is "whether we should include these Health Maintainence Organizations like Edgar Kaiser's Permanente thing?"
        Nixion says, "you know I'm not too keen on any of these damn medical programs."
        Ehrlichman says, "this is a private enterprise one."
        Nixon: "Well that appeals to me."
        Ehrlichman: "Edgar Kaiser is running his Permanente deal for profit. And the reason he can do it, I had Edgar Kaiser come in, talk to me about this, and I went into some depth. All the incentives are toward less medical care, because the less care they give them the more money they make."
        Nixon: "Fine."
        Ehrlichman: '...and the incentives run the right way."
        Nixon: "Not bad."

        Then the next day Nixon tells the American people that his plan will provide "the finest health care in the world."

        "The United States will always do the right thing, after trying all the other options." ~ Winston Churchill

        by Gregory Wonderwheel on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 04:48:31 PM PDT

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    •  There are some interesting ideas circulating (2+ / 0-)

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      about how to make the system as a whole accountable.  I'll discuss those next.

    •  Even a non-profit structure will (3+ / 0-)

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      not help unless physicians themselves have a strong incentive to control the supply of beds and specialists and therefore the "excess" referrals, procedures and hospital stays in their immediate geographic areas.

      I'll write about some ideas of how to create such incentives next.

  •  Do you post elsewhere (2+ / 0-)

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    Serious, wonky, highly-linked policy stuff like this tends to sink in the orangeworld, buried under more important diaries like "Feed my f*cking fish, Kos"

  •  And I often get rescued. (4+ / 0-)

    Its a chance for this disabled political scientist to do what I like to do and to have an audience.

    Having a reason to do and an audience, even if small, for what I like to do is a great gift.

    •  Your work is very helpful - this topic needs (1+ / 0-)

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      airing again and again until the American public wakes up to the scam being run on us by the pharmaceutical, medical and insurance industries.

      Today, it is the corporations with their lust for profits versus the wellbeing of the rest of us. Keeping an eye on the spiraling healthcare costs keeps the topic alive, and hopefully eventually some better solutions to a national healthcare policy will emerge than what we have at present.

      If all do not join now to save the good old ship of the Union this voyage nobody will have a chance to pilot her on another voyage. Abraham Lincoln

      by 4Freedom on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 04:41:11 PM PDT

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  •  Well (3+ / 0-)

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    The biggest argument against healthcare--or the one that I heard briefly on Sean Hannity's radio program yesterday afternoon--is that the "poor aren't really poor". The poor "spend all their money on DVD players, TVs, Internet, and so forth" that they could save for a doctor's visit; and thus, by default, it's "their fault because they can't afford their own medical bills." That's the argument that the right makes, which I find somewhat ridiculous. While perhaps said poor family could go without TV, the Internet, and cable, although you can argue that at least that the Internet is an essential service, and still pay for a doctor's visit, that family could never be able to pay for prolonged medical treatment of expensive drugs.

    •  Sean didn't mention sneakers? (2+ / 0-)

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      I'm surprised that Hannity didn't assert that blacks could afford all the healthcare they needed if only they didn't spend so much on drugs and basketball shoes.

      We'll thank God for the new theories of Presidential power that Bush has advanced when Hannity, Limbaugh, and the neocons are among the first few hundred terrorist supporters to be sent to Gitmo.

      •  I hope you aren't serious (0+ / 0-)

        While I disagree with the crap that Hannity and Limbaugh dish out daily, they don't belong in Gitmo. And we are supposed to be better than that.

        •  Actually a brief stay would be good for them (0+ / 0-)

          Since they obviously have no human empathy they deserve a little instant karma for what they have said. We don't need to give them the waterboarding, but maybe just some of that "non-torture" sleep deprivation, food deprivation, and simple non-abusive humiliation of prolonged posturing with a bag over their heads. That might sober them up a little, don't you think.

          All in jest....we would laugh about it with them afterwards over a beer.

          "The United States will always do the right thing, after trying all the other options." ~ Winston Churchill

          by Gregory Wonderwheel on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 05:03:16 PM PDT

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    •  You can buy a DVD player for ~$30 (1+ / 0-)

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      a used TV for $20, and dial-up Internet service for about $100 a year.

      That is slightly more than one percent of the cost of a family medical insurance plan.

  •  Kucinich recognizes the problem (4+ / 0-)

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    Seeker, you say, "It is not clear that the Democratic Presidential candidates recognize this or that they have the courage to confront the problem."  

    You should have modified this to say it is not clear the so-called front runner Democratic Presidential Candidates recognize this.

    My diary post immediately preceeding yours has the video of Kucinich at the Las Vegas Presidential Candidates forum where it is acknowledged that when he spoke after the leading candidates Obama, Edwards, Richardson, and Clinton that he was the first to raise single-payer nonprofit health care as the answer.

    This bill is before the House of Representatives now as HR 676, the Conyers-Kucinich Bill. Ask the other candidates why they don't support this bill and you will get side-stepping and excuses that all amount to why we need to keep giving insurance companies the upper hand in providing health care.

    I also include a video of Paul Krugman saying that "Medicare for all" is the most important healthcare reform to being health care costs down.

    Every time I hear Democrats ignoring Kucinch as a candidate I see what a fantasy world most of the Democrats live in. The man with the new perspective -- the people centered perspective -- on every issue is ignored. Ask yourself why most of the Democrats are supporting the pretty face business candidates? Ask your self why you ignored Kucinich when you said the candidates arn't confronting the problem.

    Here's what Kucinich said:

    Today at this forum, the sub-message is that you can't break the hold that the insurance companies have. Not a single candidate up here has challenged the underlying problem with our health care system. And that is insurance companies are holding our health care system hostage and forcing millions of Americans into poverty with unconscionable premiums, co-pays, and deductibles. [Applause] So I ask you, is it consonant with America's greatness that candidates step away from the one solution that could change it all -- a not for profit health care system is not only possible but HR 676 a bill that I've introduced in a number of Congresses, the Conyers-Kuciinich Bill, actually establishes Medicare For All, a single-payer system and its a not for profit system. It's time we ended this thought that health care is a privilege, it is a basic right. And its time we ended the control that insurance companies have not only over health care, but over our political system.

    In what way is he ignoring the problem?

    "The United States will always do the right thing, after trying all the other options." ~ Winston Churchill

    by Gregory Wonderwheel on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 04:27:57 PM PDT

    •  Kucinich comes much closer (4+ / 0-)

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      than other candidates.  But HR 676, which I have reviewed, does not address the problem of physician and hospital oversupply creating a medical culture of unnecessary referrals and hospitalizations.  The problen is not just rapacious insurance companies and private hospitals.  It is how individual physicians and physician groups have no incentive to or means of hold(ing) down the supply.  They do not even recognize the problem and there is no reason in the current system or under 676 that they should.

      •  Most doctors have had little or no education (2+ / 0-)

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        about diet and nutrition during their medical school training, and the practice continues.

        Meanwhile pharma endows chairs and funds research at institutions with medical schools, insuring that our MDs know about the latest drugs. The underlying cause of much disease, poor diet and inadequate nutrition, remains greatly understudied.

        If all do not join now to save the good old ship of the Union this voyage nobody will have a chance to pilot her on another voyage. Abraham Lincoln

        by 4Freedom on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 04:46:36 PM PDT

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        •  It's not entirely the fault of doctors (0+ / 0-)

          Poor nutrition and dietary habits are greatly exacerbated by poverty and lack of access to healthy foods.  

          The decline in leisure-time, with both parents working, is also a factor.  It's just easier to pick up a bucket of chicken on the way home.

          Advertising aimed at children is ridiculous - promoting risky food choices.

          •  No - the healthcare crisis can't be blamed on (1+ / 0-)

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            doctors. The system is too complex to single out a culprit. Many doctors want a better way to deliver services to patients than they have at present, and doctors don't generally set the curriculum at medical schools, nor are they responsible for the economic conditions that many families live with.

            If we want a better healthcare system, it will take a better informed citizenry that understands the stakes in dietary choices. Education could help all families understand how to make healthier choices on the same amount of money that they spend now.

            If all do not join now to save the good old ship of the Union this voyage nobody will have a chance to pilot her on another voyage. Abraham Lincoln

            by 4Freedom on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 05:09:09 PM PDT

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      •  history (0+ / 0-)

        It just seems like a Medicare for All system would provide some mechanisms for evening out the supply.

        The original perverse incentives of the Medicare system (nearly 20 years of paying hospitals and docs whatever they said it cost them to provide services) was a big factor in the region to region price variations.  Back in the mid and late 1990's, the early Medicare HMOs exploited these to great advantage by collecting the 95% of the "average" local area cost per beneficiary.  In places where prices were really inflated they were able to realize a massive windfall on that average.  Actually, they realized a pretty good windfall in most areas as the "average" cost per beneficiary is a bad number when most of the costs are born by a small, costly subset of beneficiaries (at the end of life).  

        "The government is us, you and me." - TR

        by Chance the gardener on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 04:55:51 PM PDT

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      •  I beg to differ. Your "problem" is a Repub view. (1+ / 0-)

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        Doctors are are not as a generality creating a "supply" problem.

        Your analysis of physicians being the problem is a Milton Freidman type of analysis that is bankrupt. That is exactly the analysis that brought us HMOs and PPDs to supposedly stop the "supply" of medical services.  It is a red herring argument. So no wonder you don't see any of the candidates agreeing with you on that bogus analysis of a non-existent problem.

        "The United States will always do the right thing, after trying all the other options." ~ Winston Churchill

        by Gregory Wonderwheel on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 04:57:30 PM PDT

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        •  Sorry, (1+ / 0-)

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          This is not a Milton Friedman argument.  It is an argument about physician systemic incentives.  The problem with 'managed care" was that, true to Friedman and his ilk, it tried to control the behavior of individuals, in this case individual physicians.

          This analysis looks at the system as a whole, identifies the dysfunctional incentives resulting from that system and, as I plan to discuss, proposes ways of changing incentives so that the docs themselves will want to control supply.

          External profit-making entities would not try to control individuals.  Individuals would find it in their interest to control themselves in cooperation with their colleagues.

          That does not sound "Republican" to me!

        •  Agreed (1+ / 0-)

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          I'm not really certain about this over-supply argument, since I've never heard it before.  All I know is, that in Canada they do not have user fees or co-payments: they are outlawed by the Canada Health Act.  Private insurance for medically necessary treatment is outlawed in most provinces, and yet this oversupply thing doesn't happen there.

          The real problem is that 40 million can't get health care.  Health care really can't be treated as a commodity to be doled out.

    •  Medicare for all? (0+ / 0-)

      I am for a single payer system funded by everyone, with the option for people to personally purchase private insurance and obtain private physician care. Most of the European systems allow for private care.  One of the real problems with the current Medicare system is that it does not, in most cases, actually cover the costs to physicians and hospitals.  An increasing number of physicians will not see Medicare patients. I have had some physicians tell me that they treat their current Medicare patients on a pro-bono basis because the cost of chasing the reimbursement is not worth the staff time.  If we are going to move to Medicare for all, where a government funded single payer system would dominate health care in the US, we will need to change how we reimburse the people and institutions that deliver the care.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 05:49:26 PM PDT

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  •  I'm not sure where you get your numbers from, but (0+ / 0-)

    "which I have reviewed, does not address the problem of physician and hospital oversupply creating a medical culture of unnecessary referrals and hospitalizations."

    ...there are many areas that are in dire need of general practice doctors.  Particularly in the more rural areas.  If you were to say that there were too many doctors specialized in limiting fields in larger population centers, I'd agree with you.  

    •  The entire point of (0+ / 0-)

      this post is that oversupply is found only in some areas.  Those are not rural areas.

      Also the post explicitly said that the oversupply, where it exists, is in hospital beds and specialists.

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