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As Bush's first budget chief, Mitch Daniel was the architect of our nation's huge deficits and ballooning debt. Somehow, he was able to parlay that into a successful Indiana gubernatorial bid in the strong GOP year 2004.

However, in 2006 Indiana showed signs of purpling by tossing three Republicans from its House delegation. Then a day or two ago, the Indianapolis Star released a poll showing that a generic Democratic presidential ticket was edging out a Republican one 37-32 in this deep Red state. If you threw Bayh in as vice-president (which I hope we wouldn't), the numbers became 47-33 in favor of the Democratic ticket.

Now, we see that Daniels himself isn't looking so hot.

Selzer & Co for the Indianapolis Star/WTHR. 11/13-16. All adults. MoE 4% (No trend lines)

Daniels (R) 43
Thompson (D) 44

Daniels (R) 40
Schellinger (D) 44

The man who made  a mess out of our nation's finances is making such a mess out of Indiana's that its deeply Republican votes are angling for big change. Fitting.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 10:03 AM PST.

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  •  One governor (15+ / 0-)

    one state representative, one state senator, one U.S. representative, one U.S. senator at a time.

    The list of malfeasances is so dang long.... Buffalo Girl

    by niteskolar on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 10:04:59 AM PST

    •  Yep... (2+ / 0-)
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      Henry Pussycat, HoosierDeb

      ...and I'm waiting for the day we can paint Indiana blue.  I'm also waiting for the Cubs to win the series!

      You can be as free as you want, so long as Republicans control birth, death, sex and marriage. And whose vote counts.

      by ultrageek on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 10:48:30 AM PST

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      •  It Can Happen (2+ / 0-)
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        Henry Pussycat, HoosierDeb

        A long time ago California was solid Republican, while Texas was solid Democratic.

        "Vice President Cheney is expanding the administration's policy on torture to include tortured logic" Sen. Dick Durbin D-IL

        by Tuba Les on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:17:56 AM PST

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        •  yabbut (1+ / 0-)
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          the politics are not that much different; it's largely the parties that have changed places.

          The South was, in fact, a Democratic stronghold in the days of LBJ; the Northeast was blue-blood Republicans, who were pro-business but also at least neutral on choice and pro-environment, such as it was.

          Things haven't changed as much as the positions of the parties have. Realignment? Perhaps.

          Civil marriage is a civil right.

          by stitchmd on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 02:41:32 PM PST

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  •  I believe Indiana sold their tollway. (12+ / 0-)

    And I think Illinois is considering "privatizing" our toll roads as well. It is very hard to see why the state would do this, except for the one-time windfall, which leaves the people of the state losing money forever after, and some large corporation making profits. What do you want to bet that when it comes to maintenance the corp will find ways to make the states pay anyway?

    "Chickens are decent people." - G. Carlin

    by The House on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 10:08:32 AM PST

  •  Please Indiana (9+ / 0-)

    make it happen.

    But please keep Senator Bayh in office.  We have had enough Indiana senators elevated to VP to last us a while.

    God and ego are not equivalent expressions of reality.

    by Othniel on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 10:08:51 AM PST

    •  If Indiana is gonna be in play - - - (3+ / 0-)
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      Andrew C White, Othniel, HoosierDeb

      the republicans are truly $@#%-ed!

      Well, I love Hillary.

      by Barry in MIA on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 10:40:14 AM PST

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      •  Indiana will NOT go blue for presidency (1+ / 0-)
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        I would almost bet my house.

        •  Careful! Home Forclosure is sky high in Indiana. (1+ / 0-)
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          •  Being from Indy (4+ / 0-)

            and here for 27 year and in the state for 44 years,  I would say that it's highly unlikely that it will go Blue for the Presidential race. We just had an election where a bunch of Democrats were swept out of office. Mayor of Indianapolis. etc. That doesn't mean Mitch will win. He did replace a Democratic Governor who had replaced another Democratic governor who died during his term.

            As far as local politics, Indiana is a mixed bag. I for one wasn't real happy with the D mayor here and the billion dollar football stadium, not when the state was having record high foreclosures. I think the name bothered me too. Lucas Oil stadium. I 've never figured that one out. Will Hoosiers stop at gas stations and ask if that gas was refined from Lucas Oil at $3.00 -$400 a gallon in a year or so?

            Mitch is not only having problems with the Interstate which frankly doesn't effect many Hoosiers. The idea of course pisses them off. It's the property tax that has got them in a "throw the Bums out mood". In fact, I think there was some buyer's remorse when they actaully started checking into the R who won the campaign for Mayor . I might be wrong.

            Anyway, Goldwater was the last R who lost here in the Presidential elections. As you can see from the Blue Dogs and Bush dogs D's, Indiana has a large share.

            This was also the state the voted to make large fireworks. I mean real large fireworks available to anyone idiot right after the Iraq war started. In a LTE I asked , is it smart to have vets coming home and hearing explosions left and right? No answer of course.

            One final personal anecdote to let you know the train of thought- so to speak. I had a friend of 12 years until 2005. Somehow politics drifted into dinner discussion which I try to avoid. They were outraged, OUTRAGED , at Bill Clinton for his BJ.

            I was flabbergasted becuase these people , during the Clinton years, belonged to a swingers club.  I managed to gasp out "But no one died from the BJ". Both him and wife screamed back "They could have"

            As in my Bio here, this was a guy laid off from work who ran 70K up in credit card bills and managed to sneak a BK in right before Oct of 2005. His employers wife had bladder cancer that went untreated for 20 months becuase the health insurance went with the business. They were Bush Fanatics too.  

            There's plenty more just like them here too. They might not like the choices and it's possible if Bush ran again he wouldn't win 60-40. I'm not sure if he would lose though.

            Over-all, The logic escapes me. But if it's a win, then it would have to be a countrywide landslide. About the only thing we were number 1 in besides a few sports in off years was foreclosures. There was never any property inflation or over specualtion here.

            It's Indiana for CS.

            Don't get too excited.  

            Support The Troops
            Let them see IMPEACH

            by Dburn on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:48:50 AM PST

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            •  That's only because of the property tax issue (2+ / 0-)
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              Which is one of the things hurting Daniels.  The guy has a 50% disapproval rating.

              Don't take Peterson's loss as any sort of Republican trend in the state... the opposite is true in fact.

              They had another poll this morning showing the anti-Gay Marriage amendment's support had only dropped to about a 5-6% margin (the Dems tabled it in the house last session).  Indiana is slowly turning blue.

        •  Clinton lost it by (2+ / 0-)
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          Henry Pussycat, HoosierDeb

          4.1% in 1992 and 5.6% in 1996.  Not exactly overwhelming margins.  True, Gore and Kerry got smoked by W, but I wouldn't bet my house on IN in 2008.

          The frogurt is also cursed. -8.25, -6.51

          by Superribbie on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:26:54 AM PST

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  •  If he has done to Indiana what he tried at OMB (6+ / 0-)

    Then no wonder the good purple people of that state may send him packing.  As far as I could tell, working at a federal agency in DC from 1999 until 2003, Daniels was a diciple of Grover Norquist's "kill the government" mentality.  That was all he knew, and his only goal.  It was cynical and sickening when we needed money and action to get every day matters taken care of.  

    He got away with it in DC, in that particular climate, but I can't imagine any state putting up with complete lack of real management from its governor in the name of zero taxes.  

    Go, Indiana.  

    Dogs have so many friends because they wag their tails instead of their tongues. -Anonymous

    by gloryous1 on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 10:14:54 AM PST

    •  Oddly enough, when Mitch became governor, (3+ / 0-)
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      one of the first things he did was say that higher education needed to be protected.  A bit of a relief to someone who happens to teach at a campus of Indiana University...

      •  So he backed off on the flushing the guv'ment (1+ / 0-)
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        down the toilet thing?  I would imagine as governor one can privately wish for those things but can't actually lead that way.

        Has he followed through with funding higher education or is he still just saying it?

        Dogs have so many friends because they wag their tails instead of their tongues. -Anonymous

        by gloryous1 on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 10:26:28 AM PST

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        •  As best as I can tell, higher ed is OK (0+ / 0-)

          funding-wise; that is to say, there's been no particular effort to cut anything.  My salary has increased every year, perhaps not in line with inflation, but it has increased.  (I once taught in Mississippi for a few years; twice we went three years with no salary increases.  Not "no" as in not above inflation, but "no" as in "nothing at all."  This was circa 1990.)

          In fact, in the last several years at my campus, we have had a new library constructed, and we now have our first student residence halls under construction.

          •  Incorrect on higher education, Dimetrodon. (1+ / 0-)
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            Indiana University tried to "privatize" all sorts of things that had been handled in-house before:
            motor pool, cafeterias, bookstore, etc.

            And little step-child community college Ivy Tech is still not getting much in the way of money to pay instructors.

            To say my fate is not tied to your fate is like saying, "Your end of the boat is sinking."--Hugh Downs

            by Dar Nirron on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:40:21 AM PST

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            •  I am aware of those things, (2+ / 0-)
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              Odysseus, drmah

              particularly the bookstore privatization (which has concerned people on my campus as apparently book prices have gone upwards).  But forgive me for thinking only of the really important things (like my salary).

              Ivy Tech is an interesting situation.  The powers-that-be decided that Indiana ought to have a higher education system similar to that of California.  This would consist of a small number of flagship research campuses, a second tier of regional campuses with more of a focus on undergraduate degrees, and a (deliberately) inexpensive community college system to serve entry-level students (working class students and students with weaker preparation).  So they've converted Ivy Tech into a full-fledged community college.  Yes, the instructors there are poorly-paid; tuition there is also much less than it is at campuses of Indiana University.  This does constitute an effort to cut money in higher education here, although the polite term is "increasing efficiency."  (My campus of IU took a 15% hit in freshman enrollment when Ivy Tech came on line as a community college here.  Our enrollment numbers are recovering as they gradually come back here, after completing coursework at Ivy Tech.)  

              There is one more matter that has appeared on our radar screens, that might be (the beginning of) another effort to cut costs: We have been told that "unproductive" degree programs may be cut.  Specifically (on our campus) French, German, Philosophy and Economics.  The criterion for unproductive is fewer than 15 graduates in a 5 year period.  (Previously, we were told 10 was the cutoff.)  This is of course distressing.  However, this sort of proposal has cropped up before, and been defeated before.  One softener already mentioned: Allow each campus to choose several programs to protect from cutting.  So a university can maintain unproductive majors to retain academic integrity (a complete slate of liberal arts degrees).

              •  Completely unrelated to anything (1+ / 0-)
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                Dimetrodon: Which campus? I've applied for a gig at one of the regional IU campuses.

                And to belie the title, I grew up in Indiana (and would actually like to move back, though not to the town where I grew up) and attended the same church (while growing up) as the current Lt. Governor, Becky Skillman. My father - as arch-conservative as they come, and a friend of the Lt. Governor - thinks Mitch is a blithering idiot, especially with the toll road and the time change issues.

                Do not underestimate the impact of the time change issue in Indiana. While it's actually possibly the only topic with which I agree with Mitch, he handled it in the worst possible way.


                Walk In Brain - the finest blogging in my apartment building.

                by Wes F on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 02:48:24 PM PST

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                •  I'm at IU Southeast (in New Albany). (0+ / 0-)

                  Best wishes with your search.  I should mention we're recruiting in a number of disciplines.


                  •  Oh, close but no cigar. (0+ / 0-)

                    There's a position in choral music down there right now, but I'm actually applying at IU East up in Richmond. Seems they want someone to build a music program.

                    Since (a) I grew up in Indiana, (b) I have experience building programs, and (c) I want to stay close to the area (I'm currently in Cincinnati as a Visiting Instructor of Music Theory while I finish my dissertation and would love to move back to Indiana, though not Bedford; my wife is from Middletown, OH and wants to stay close as well), I figure this might be the best of all possible worlds, though the music theory gig at Butler is quite tempting as well.

                    Thanks for the info, though - and if you know anyone at IU East, contact me at wfmusic AT rocketmail DOT com - especially if you have incriminating photographs. :)


                    Walk In Brain - the finest blogging in my apartment building.

                    by Wes F on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:58:35 PM PST

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      •  Don't forget to add the Mitch and wife don't live (7+ / 0-)

        in Govoner's Mansion after the state spent millions of dollars remodeling it for them, because they prefer their lovely home in the suburbs.  (Carmel-by-the-Cornfield).  Everytime Daniels host an event at the Gov. Mansion this issue come up again.  Recently they held the State Tree Lighting Ceremony in the house where nobody lives.  This just grates on my nerves.  The don't like my suggestion to  allow the Homelsss Network use the Govoner's Mansion.

        •  urk (3+ / 0-)
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          sounds like our Democrats here in Illinois look to Mitch for their big ideas these days.

          Blago and Daley are both privatization nuts.

          Daley privatized the Skyway, and no one has ever really figured out where the money is.  Some "trust fund" for some ambiguous purpose.

          Chicagoans just spent hundreds of millions to build a brand new terminal for Midway and a slew of other improvements.

          Now, Daley's selling it off.

          Daley can't wait to sell naming rights to anything in the city that he can affix a sign to (Coming soon: "Old" Navy Pier, McDonald's Convention Center, The Magnificent Mile brought to you by Bank of America, Daley Plaza presented by AT&T, Macy's Buckingham Fountain, and more!)  

          Blago wasn't as successful with his privatization hard-on, Lisa Madigan blocked him repeatedly.  But he wanted to sell off the Thompson Center in Chicago, he wanted to sell of the Lottery (still does) and there are probably dozens of other state assets he wants to sell off.

          The taxpayers paid for these pieces of infrastructure and these assets.  What right do these people have to sell our shit?!?!

          "The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma." - Abraham Lincoln

          by Jerry 101 on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 12:11:22 PM PST

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        •  I thought it was (1+ / 0-)
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          "Carmel by the Freeway." Spouse's name for MIL's hometown.

          Emphasis on the first syllable, for you CA folks and others; it is in no way similar to that other Carmel, by the sea, even in pronunciation.

          I'd vote, btw, for the homeless network.

          Civil marriage is a civil right.

          by stitchmd on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 02:51:32 PM PST

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  •  safe to say (4+ / 0-)
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    nancelot, mcfly, paddykraska, gloryous1

    Daniels probably isn't on any short list for the Republican VP nomination I would assume.

    Republicans are not a national party anymore.

    by jalapeno on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 10:15:02 AM PST

  •  Hoosiers Are Waking Up (3+ / 0-)

    I get regular reports from my little moms in Hoosier-land (just east of the xmas castle) and it seems that people in the heartland are turning against Republicans as representing the worst of DC corruption.

    Be humble and respectable, but above all just be flexible. -- Gumby

    by SteamPunkX on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 10:15:57 AM PST

  •  I posted yesterday (2+ / 0-)
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    Indiana Could Turn Blue

    "Disillusioned with President Bush's handling of the war, the economy and immigration, nearly half of likely voters in Indiana appear poised to buck 40 years of tradition and vote for a Democratic presidential ticket -- if it includes Sen. Evan Bayh," according to a new Indianapolis Star-WTHR poll.

    The poll "revealed a growing sense of pessimism, with nearly three-quarters saying the nation is headed in the wrong direction and 28 percent approving of George W. Bush's performance as president."

    It's not just for college towns any more!!!!

  •  Duh (4+ / 0-)
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    Miss Blue, mcfly, Skaje, paddykraska

    He's been in trouble for a long time. I could never understand why the MSM considered him safe. We're as likely to take this as we are the MO governorship.

    •  Almost (0+ / 0-)

      Thompson has baggage and Schellinger is fairly untested.  Jay Nixon is a much stronger challenger.  But, I think it's accurate to say that Blunt and Daniels are equally disliked.

      The frogurt is also cursed. -8.25, -6.51

      by Superribbie on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:28:58 AM PST

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  •  looks good (5+ / 0-)

    BUT we should also mention that the Dem mayor of Indianapollis lost in a huge upset this month.  So the political volatility in that state will not necessarily be completely in our favor.  It should hurt Daniels though, especially since he appears to be largely responsible for the property taxes and privatized highways people are angry about there.

    •  Yeah (6+ / 0-)

      my sense is the wave that brought in Ballard is one of anti-inclumbent feeling rather than pro-GOP. I think the state is in a pretty bad mood about just about all their elected leaders.

      I think it's a "throw the bums out" kind of cycle here, and that doesn't work well for Mitch.

      •  I think you're right about the anti-incumbent (4+ / 0-)

        feelings in Indiana. Even on our little town council, every incumbent who ran lost, regardless of political affiliation.  

        The property tax increases (mine went up 200%) have got all the voters in a very foul mood.  

        I personally don't think Mitch could get himself elected dog-catcher, and I don't think that's going to improve anytime soon.

        If there are no dogs in heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went ---Will Rogers

        by Sasha Bear on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 10:31:54 AM PST

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      •  "All politics is local"would represent (4+ / 0-)
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        Precieved unfair distribution for property taxes between business and homeowners,  a dome tax for new Colts stadum, discontent between police dept and sherriff departments, rising murder rate, overconfidence and many other issues skewed the mayor's race to Republicans.  It is scary to have the 14th largest city in our nation lead by a man who never worked in civic service, never ran for office before and is so inexperienced that "Mayor lessons" are being suggested before Ballard takes office.

  •  didn't he privatize the highways? (0+ / 0-)

    I wish Corzine would take a lesson from that and drop his plan for New Jersey.  (Whatever that plan turns out to be.)

  •  Great Dem candidate running againes Mike Pence (3+ / 0-)
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    Barry Welsh could turn the Indiana Farm Market vote Blue.  The New Castle area is in this district.  In 02' Pence won with 85% of the vote, but in 04' Welsh cut that down to a Pence win barely over 50%.  This time around I think Welsh could turn the majority of Indiana House seats for the Democrats.

  •  Get use to EVAN folks > Clinton-Bayh 2008 (3+ / 0-)
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    Miss Blue, Tuba Les, Prognosticator

    I've predicted all along and still do that HILL will choose her good pal Evan for VP. Look -  he was past President of the DLC and has at least once joined her on Senate Trips overseas.

    Evan is perfect for Hill. He's good looking - happily married to a smart a gorgeous wife - they very cute twin boys etc................................................................................................. ....

    He sudden drop from the 2008 race when Hill announced is no to be overlooked.

    Also - and most her don't know or remember it often said that Evan was Gore's second choice to Lieberman in 2000( don't we wish he had). It was thought that he was just a bit to young then. Not now. Hill will pick him and leave Obama and his supporters very unhappy. I predict.

    Progressives - stay UNDECIDED on 2008 -4.63 -7.54

    by AustinSF on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 10:27:55 AM PST

  •  Property taxes in Indiana (7+ / 0-)

    Indiana has royally screwed up their multi-year situation regarding property taxes and their reassessment.  

    Part of the problem has been that, with some  manufacturers no longer paying what they used to pay (Daniels received some unexpected support in Lake County in his first race, for example, because people were up in arms about property tax increases happening due to US Steel giving up properties and thus paying less in taxes), citizens have to pick up the slack.

    Part of the problem has also been just plain old incompetence.  It's a hot potato of an issue, and no one is bound to be happy about it, but no one has seemed, within either party, or within the various county organizations, to be willing to take the bull by the horns and resolve the issue with a transparent process, because someone will be blamed for the average Joe and Jane's property taxes going up.

    As the Indianapolis-Marion County changeover (is it still called Unigov?) happened in part due to not fessing up to this, so Daniels could get tarred with the same brush plus his adventures in selling off infrastructure for short-term gain.  But until the property tax situation is fully addressed, both Republicans and Democrats in Indiana are going to take some hits.

    God gave us his own child as a sacrifice. Bush wants to take yours...

    by Palamedes on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 10:28:44 AM PST

    •  You're right. Property tax issue is larger than (2+ / 0-)
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      Indianapolis.  By time for next election Daniels and Republican will have to face up to their part of the responsibility for the outrageous increases.  We are far enough from the city and are protected by having land classified and used as farm land that our increase was not above expectation, but in the small town near us increases were up from 80 - 200% in one year.  Part of the problem is that when the Inventory Tax on  business inventories was removed the entire burden of state and local taxes fell to homeowners. The relatively low sales tax was inadequate to make up the difference.

    •  That explains how the Indianapolis city council (1+ / 0-)
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      changed hands this past year, but the big problem wasn't the average joe/jane's tax increases, it was the rich people's. Those "For sale by owner due to unfair taxation" signs are what I would see driving through Meridian/Kessler on the way my boyfriends house (on the east side).

      But that trend was generally anti-incumbant and anti-D, although Not My Mess Mitch has done a pretty good job at fooling people into thinking that they didn't do jack taco to cause the problem (that they in fact caused).

      Whatever, I'm guessing that a good D campaign will just pin the tax situation to Daniels. Even though it's not not my top issue. :)

  •  He packed IU Board of Trustees with his Buddies (8+ / 0-)

    As a result, the university has outsourced multiple administrative services, destroying the jobs of hundreds of long term employees, destroying the decent health care benefits they had the IU offers in contrast to most private industry.

    He sold out major highways to foreign companies for a short term cash infusion, accompanied by a LIFETIME spam loss of control of major infrastructure.

    The man's tenure has cost this state money and decent jobs uncounted.

    He is a walking disaster.

    •  Yikes! That's the Mitch I remember from OMB eom (2+ / 0-)
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      Dogs have so many friends because they wag their tails instead of their tongues. -Anonymous

      by gloryous1 on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 10:53:21 AM PST

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    •  Well, he followed right along (0+ / 0-)

      his good ol' pal W, who did much the same thing to the "great" state of Texas and its state universities.

      Thing is, for whatever reason I can't personally fathom, people still want to move to Texas. People can't wait to get out of Indiana - contributing to the outrageous foreclosure rate. And Indiana never got the huge bump in property values that other parts of the country did; they were always ranked among the most 'undervalued' in the surveys I read of real estate.

      Civil marriage is a civil right.

      by stitchmd on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 02:56:47 PM PST

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  •  Standard Time (6+ / 0-)

    In addition to the selling of the Toll Road, Indiana, with Daniels' urging, decided to ditch its long-held opposition to Daylight Savings Time, which ticked off a lot of rural voters (cows don't tell time). In addition, in several "border" counties, such as St. Joseph County, where South Bend is located, there was much debate whether the county should be on Eastern or Central time all year. (It ended up assigned to the Eastern time zone.)

    Until 2006, the only parts of Indiana that changed to Daylight Time in the spring were the northwestern counties with economic ties to Chicago and the southeastern counties with economic ties to Cincinnati. The rest of the state, including Indianapolis, South Bend, Fort Wayne, Terre Haute and Evansville, were on Standard Time all year.

    •  Yeah but... (0+ / 0-)

      I don't think that's the big opposition to Daniels, no matter what George Stephanapoulos says on the matter.

      Really, I haven't heard much about the time zone change that's all that negative. Granted, I live near Indinapolis, but most people I know on the matter thought it was a positive change, making it easier to keep time with the rest of the country.

      •  Well ... (3+ / 0-)
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        I've heard nothing positive about it and every complaint I've heard (I've heard a few) have mentioned Mitch.  All the complaints were from people that would be classified as "rural voters."

        •  Ditto (2+ / 0-)
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          I was in South Bend, and heard nothing but complaints.  Still.

          People hated the time switch, and most definitely blamed Mitch.

          "But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore"--Prine 3870+ dead Americans. Bring them home.

          by Miss Blue on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:19:55 AM PST

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          •  Time Change (1+ / 0-)
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            It may not have been a big deal in Indy (and as I said above, I actually think it was the right move), but it Did. Not. Play. Well. in the rural areas at all.


            Walk In Brain - the finest blogging in my apartment building.

            by Wes F on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 02:52:21 PM PST

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            •  Farmers are real angry about it (0+ / 0-)

              Basically because all of Indiana should be in the Central Time Zone, and when you add Daylight Savings Time on top of that, all the stores are closed by the time the sun goes down.

              Farmers HAVE to work from sunup to sundown to get everything done most of the time.  You never know when it might rain or when something will happen to prevent you from getting stuff done.  You have to get as good of a harvest as you can to try and make money.

              There's still a lot of farmers in Indiana that aren't agribusiness, so when you add them and their families and buddies it adds up to a good portion of the population.

        •  well, (0+ / 0-)

          how much of that had to do with Daniels, and how much of it had to do with people being dragged, against their will, into the latter half of the 20th century?

          Please. To the rest of us, this whole whining over time changes was just ridiculous. It certainly made life in our house much easier when we didn't have to figure out whether the MIL had gone to bed earlier or later than we had, if it was summer or winter.

          And that applied even when we lived in Cincinnati.

          Civil marriage is a civil right.

          by stitchmd on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 02:59:29 PM PST

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  •  I think that the poll (3+ / 0-)
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    numbers in Indiana are reflective of a national trend.  Many of the Reddest states are turning Purple.  This trend is only natural given what the republicans have done to ruin this nation over the past several years.  And this trend toward purple and blue is the only thing that's keeping my hope alive that our country isn't yet totally fucked!  I'm so happy to hear that Daniels is in trouble.  The news for republicans keeps getting worse by the day-it's about time.

  •  Another Issue that kos has not picked up on (2+ / 0-)
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    in Indiana is that Highway/Tollroad.  Built by out of the USA workers.  This govenor has taken a hit on this.  I would not have known about it, except my husband is from Indiana and that is all his parents are talking about.  The taxes went up and those folks are angry at that govenor.

  •  Indiana... (4+ / 0-)

    they are losing Indiana.

    Have you ever been to Indiana?

    Indiana is as old school Republican as it gets. Utah and Idaho got nothing on Indiana.

    Bushism is turning Indiana Democratic.


    "Parlimentary inquiry Mr. Speaker... does whining come out of my time?"

    by Andrew C White on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 10:45:31 AM PST

  •  Can somebody explain to me whats wrong with Bayh? (3+ / 0-)
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    Seriously, he's not the ideal Democrat, but he's not Ben Nelson.

    On abortion I know he's spotty at best, having voted in favor of the

    * Partial Birth Abortion ban and his 50% NARAL isn't great at all. * Wiretapping cell phones * For the Iraq war.

    However, he has also...

    * Supported Stem Cell Research. * Supported Adding sexual orientation to hate crime legislation. * Against having a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage. * Supported NEA Education incentives (91% by the union) * Reducing energy dependence on oil and factoring Global Warming into our national energy policy. 74% by Pro-environment groups. * No on CAFTA. * 75% Pro Public Health Record. * Timetables for withdrawal from Iraq.

    Yeah, he's sort of a mixed bag, but considering the state he's representing it's not terrible.

    Link to issues: here.

    I'm supporting Chris Dodd, and his plan to create the Rapid Response Reserve Corps.

    by Skulnick on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 10:47:42 AM PST

  •  Because he's tried to privatize damn near... (5+ / 0-)

    everything, from a couple of the highways, to the state lotto, to the WIC/foodstamps program.

    The man has a thing for privatization, and he alway, always makes the same justification: a private company will run it more efficiently than the state and the money they pay to rent those systems is a good trade. Of course, it's usually half of the projected income (around a tenth for the toll highways!) of said system, and no matter that he ran for guv back in '04 on a platform of rooting out inefficiency and saving money on these very programs, somehow this strategy makes sense for the state.

    No wonder people are turning blue in Indiana.

    Although it's worth pointing out that the governor of Indiana's been Democrat (outside Daniels) for as long as I can remember, what with two terms for Bayh and then two more for O'Bannon, followed by Kernan finishing up O'Bannon's terms. Indiana still has a strong working class presence that doesn't like the sound of "privatization".

    Which would all explain the state GOP's rush to get an anti-gay marriage amendment on the ballot in '08 (they failed). If you can't manage the system well, then just bash the gays, eh?

  •  Not surprised (3+ / 0-)
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    Two anecdotes from Bloomington:

    - There is a secretary in my department at IU that has never seen the ocean.  She's seen lake Michigan once and was shocked that she couldn't see the other side.  She listens to Rush and Laura.  She's a very nice and wonderful person who is pretty typical for someone that lives in a remote rural area and drives into town for a job at the university.  She loathes Mitch.  

    - The parking lot where I park is heavily used by maintenance and construction workers at the University.  The bumpers are a sea of American flags, patriotic symbols, and references to their guns.  Your average republican supporter?  Not quite.  They're Union.  And proud of it.  And there's a high number of "Ditch Mitch" bumper stickers.

    If you ask me, Mitch is in trouble.

  •  Daniels is technically my boss (5+ / 0-)

    So I have to be a bit careful

    Basically, I hope he gets burned hard at the next election.  What he has done to the state employees alone should get him fried.  What he's done to the Indiana (and National) economy, that's just heaps of boiling gravy to pour on top.

    Loking forward to reprinting the "My Bitch Mitch" bumperstickers

    You will be baked. Then there will be cake...THE CAKE IS A LIE!!!

    by crimsonscare on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:10:53 AM PST

  •  Obama/Bayh? If it got turned Indiana Blue. (0+ / 0-)

    That would be interesting but I think Obama/Webb and VA's 13 votes (vs. Indiana's 11) would be a much more solid future foundation, further cementing VA back on the Democratic column.

    And Webb would be a much better national candidate and, more importantly, a much better VP based on Obama's standard of Democrats focusing on WHY they should be elected not on how they can be elected.

  •  Mitch is about as popular as the clap (0+ / 0-)

    in the Southern part of the State. At the county fair in my county last year, local Republicans would not get near him for fear that they might be photographed with him. He rode around in an RV and motorcycle eating pork tenderloin sandwiches in 2004. He even changed his voice depending on where he was in the state. Today, he cannot even go to the places he went a few years ago for fear of being drown out by booing. The only reason Republicans did not lose even bigger in 2006 was that he disappeared after Labor Day. He can't do that in 2008. He is going down in 08.

    •  But WHY is he unpopular? (0+ / 0-)

      He's unpopular because Hoosiers are STUPID and can't get their heads around Daylight Savings Time, of all things.

      DST!  Something the entire rest of the country takes for granted, the hicks here can't understand.  That's how idiotic and parochial a lot of the Bible Belt redneck TPTrash residents of this state are.

      I don't think that Daniels is the awfullest of Governors we've had here, despite his short tenure in the Shrub's temple of Cheneyness.  Some of the recent Democratic Party Governors (and the last mayor of Indy) have been serious lemons.

      Dana Curtis Kincaid Ad Astra per Aspera! The enemy is not man, the enemy is stupidity.

      by angrytoyrobot on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 01:27:29 PM PST

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  •  If we take out Daniels and Blunt (0+ / 0-)

    and assuming Gregoire gets another term and that we hold the open NC governorship (good possibilities), that gives us 30 governors.  Don't think we've had that many in quite some time.  That's a solid bench down the road for future senators and possible presidential and VP candidates.  And of course, a big say in redistricting.

    This isn't just a temporary Democratic wave, the GOP is gonna be screwed for decades.

  •  But Indianapolis just dumped the Democratic (0+ / 0-)

    majority in the Mayor's office and the City County Council.

    Don't be too proud of this technological netroots terror you've constructed.  The ability to destroy the Republican majority nationally may be insignificant in the general elections.

    Dana Curtis Kincaid Ad Astra per Aspera! The enemy is not man, the enemy is stupidity.

    by angrytoyrobot on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 01:21:55 PM PST

    •  Also Julia Carson is very sick and won't run (1+ / 0-)
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      again, so the Indiana District 5 D.C. House seat will be up for grabs - and there are Repubs just salivating over that one.

      Dana Curtis Kincaid Ad Astra per Aspera! The enemy is not man, the enemy is stupidity.

      by angrytoyrobot on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 01:23:19 PM PST

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      •  Julia Carson's diagonis is terminal lung cancer. (0+ / 0-)

        Aa if this diagonsis isn't bad enough the local media keeps showing film clips of Julia taken with Mitch Daniels and GWB.  If I didn't know better, I'd think she was one of them.

      •  District 5 is probably our bluest seat (1+ / 0-)
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        We'll be fine there... the only reasons it's been semi-close is because Carson's been sick and wasn't able to campaign.

        •  Isn't it District 7? (1+ / 0-)
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          The Fifth District is Dan Burton (R). Julia Carson is in the 7th.

          Personally, I've been hearing good things about State Rep. David Orentlicher (D-Indianapolis) as a possible successor.

          Of course, at this point, we should just be concerned about keeping Congresswoman Carson in our thoughts.


          Walk In Brain - the finest blogging in my apartment building.

          by Wes F on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:02:50 PM PST

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  •  Brad Henry (0+ / 0-)

    Evan would be a great pick, but i still believe Brad Henry would have the same effect in Indiana, reaching out to Republicians and moderates.

  •  Why Daniels will likely be re-elected (1+ / 0-)
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    Daniels had the sense to get through his offensive initiatives, (leasing I-80 for 75 years, DST), early in his term. Memories are sort of short. Property taxes have shot up in some areas. As others have pointed out, this is partly due to hollowing out of Indiana's industrial base, which was centered on the auto industry. (Only Michigan had more auto jobs than Indiana.) But part of this is also due to incompetent assessors. And somewhere, I smell a rat. I have no evidence for this, but I feel that Daniels somehow managed to pooch the system to produce the increases. Why? So that he could respond with a constitutional amendment to cap property taxes and shift to sales taxes instead. A recent poll shows that to be popular. Daniels wanted to eliminate property taxes when he came in, but realized that it wouldn't fly. The way that it's working out, he gets to shift taxes from the rich - him - to the rest of us, and look like a hero for doing it.

    DST isn't the problem. It is that geographically, Indiana belongs in Central Time Zone, not in Eastern. A 6 year old girl was killed by a car when walking to school, a mile from my house. Sunrise was at almost 8 AM, in October.

    If Bayh is the VP nominee, he might carry Indiana. The Bayh name means a lot here. But Bayh voted to confirm Mukasey, and supports telecom immunity for spyig on us.

  •  Daniels (R) in trouble (1+ / 0-)
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    The DST switch was simply the icing on the cake - Daniels has out-sourced every state job/activity he possibly can; family assistance, case workers, food supply for the State government. He's hired out the state prisons to house other states' prisoners. He supported closing down "un-needed" BMV offices with the result being increased travel and waiting times for licenses. Very unpopular. He is responsible for the property tax mess (although, the idiots in the Legislature aided him) by cutting business property taxes and not having a replacement for them; businesses used to pay 57% of local property taxes and now pay 43%. And that tax cut certainly hasn't slowed the job losses. I don't know why the Democrats haven't pushed this harder; most likely some of them were among the "idiots".
    And who can forget the Toll Road giveaway? A lot of incumbents may want to in 2008.
    As for Bayh; he's our cross to bear and nothing like his father Birch, an honestly liberal Democrat. Even on the ballot, I really don't think he would help carry Indiana unless it turned into a tidal wave. And then it wouldn't matter anyway.
    And by the way, I read an article in the Ft. Wayne "Journal Gazette" that laid a lot of the blame on the Indianapolis mayoral loss to complacency on the part of the Marion County Democratic Party. Apparently there was an exceptionally low Democratic turn-out.

  •  Daniels stripped worker's collective bargaining (0+ / 0-)

    One of the first things Daniels did as governor was to strip Indiana state workers (including highway police)of their collective bargaining rights for wage and hour increases, working conditions and other benefits.

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