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Yesterday, Politico's Ben Smith nailed Rudy Giuliani for nailing his mistress on the taxpayer's dime. And in today's Washington Post, what kind of coverage does this major, investigative piece receive? Three sentences buried in the middle of their debate coverage. So, what is their big story of the day?

Foes Use Obama's Muslim Ties to Fuel Rumors About Him

Yes, a front page story about rumors.  

Despite his denials, rumors and e-mails circulating on the Internet continue to allege that Obama (D-Ill.) is a Muslim, a "Muslim plant" in a conspiracy against America...

Actually, calling them rumors gives them too much credence.  It would be more accurate to call them blatant lies, yet the Washington Post has decided to give them a national platform.  The only thing missing from this story is the siren at the top of the page.

But the dishonestly doesn't just rest with the people who spread these stories, the Washington Post is just as guilty.  They "report" that:

Another e-mail, on a site called Snopes.com that tracks Internet rumors, starts, "Be careful, be very careful." It notes that "Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim," and that "since it is politically expedient to be a Christian when you are seeking political office in the United States, Obama joined the United Church of Christ to help purge any notion that he is still a Muslim."

This is immediately followed with a line about a CBS poll that showed, "a huge number of voters said they did not know Obama's faith."  What the Washington Post didn't bother to address?  What Snopes.com had to say about the story:

Claim:  Illinois senator Barack Obama is a, "radical, ideological Muslim."

Status:  False.

But to be fair, the Washington Post did provide a named source who was willing to back up his claims:

Bryan Keelin of Charleston, S.C., who works with an organization of churches there, posted on an Internet board his suspicion that Obama is a Muslim. "I assume his father instructed him on the ways of being a Muslim," said Keelin, who described himself in an interview as a conservative Republican who will vote for former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee.

Well, there you go.  If Bryan assumes something, it must be newsworthy.  Kudos to the Washington Post for their hard-hitting, investigative journalism.  

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 01:47 AM PST.

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  •  This just in: (37+ / 0-)

    The MSM protects scumbag Giuliani.

    "There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible. But in the end they always fall. Think of it. Always." -- Mahatma Gandhi

    by duha on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 01:50:58 AM PST

    •  Same with the New York Times (20+ / 0-)

      As of this writing, the Giuliani story is also still absent from the Gray Lady's frontpage.

      This nicely summarizes what's wrong with American political life today. (Source)

      by GreenSooner on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 02:16:47 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  You mean Judy Miller's paper missed it !! (5+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        GreenSooner, howd, boilerman10, pgm 01, kyril

        I'm shocked!

        So far, here are this morning's front covers.

        Trick or Treat - go ahead, click on my name!!

        by Al Rodgers on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 02:36:10 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Judy isn't there any more (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Fabian, pgm 01

          She has moved on to Phase Two in "So you want to be a billionaire media pundit".

          •  Neocon Mafia? (3+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            Black Max, Alexander G Rubio, pgm 01

            I am starting to wonder if there isn't some kind of Neocon Mafia that's threatened all these big wigs with busted kneecaps if they don't toe the line.  

            There is just way too much of this sort of thing.

            I am starting to be nastolgic about the old days when Unions and the Mob had ties. Politics is a blood sport, so they say. Anyway, I like to see some of these walking talking Neocons and their minions worry about whether their taking our rights and security might impact their own.

            During a labor lock out, when a defense company threatened to move their factory to the South Texas border I asked a friend of mine who worked in the construction trade what he would do if he was in the union that was being threatened like that, and he responded quite casually, that he would go into the ghetto, find some rough young guy and pay him big money to throw a brick through the window of the guy that was threatening to move their jobs to a non-union place.  I thought he was nuts. Now I wish he was running for office himself.

        •  And in New York City... (2+ / 0-)
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          wishingwell, concernednyer2005

          ...those other papers count for more than the NY Times.

          However, neither the primary nor the general is going to be won or lost in NYC. And the national media seems to be sitting on this story.

          This nicely summarizes what's wrong with American political life today. (Source)

          by GreenSooner on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 02:50:16 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  Don't be so sure (0+ / 0-)

            The Times is a major factor in north Jersey.  I still blame their endorsement for sticking us with Christie Whitman (by 10,000 votes) and her screwed up politically connected privatization of Motor Vehicles (think FEMA and NOLA "efficiency" on a local scale).  Any Democrat will take NY but Rudy would probably beat Edwards or Obama here in NJ. Otoh, Romney or Huckabee would be toast.

            •  Northern NJ Ain't NYC (0+ / 0-)

              In northern New Jersey the competition is the Newark Star Ledger, which isn't the Post or the News or Newsday.

              As far as Christie Whitman is concerned...don't even get me started. I was a NJ Democrat when she won the governor's race and I can't tell you how many nice, white, liberal women of a certain age were happy to vote for her (I think she even got endorsed by NJ NOW).

              This nicely summarizes what's wrong with American political life today. (Source)

              by GreenSooner on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 08:16:16 AM PST

              [ Parent ]

        •  And when you think about it (0+ / 0-)

          doesn't the NY Post have much more influence on people than the Washington Post?  Who reads the Washington Post outside of DC?

          If we Americans analyzed our social problems as much as we analyze pro football, there would be no more AIDS, homeless people, or pregnant teens...

          by wry twinger on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 05:18:56 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  WaPo = The Velvet Underground (1+ / 0-)
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            pgm 01

            Only a couple thousand people ever bought a VU record in the '60s, but they all started bands (or so they say).

            Only a few thousand people read the WaPo, but they all seem to have started wars.

            This nicely summarizes what's wrong with American political life today. (Source)

            by GreenSooner on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 08:17:36 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

        •  Well, it's not as if he were doing something ... (0+ / 0-)

          ...really wrong, like getting his hair cut on an airplane or by an expensive barber.

          You vote independent... I'll stick with the party that brought us social security, civil rights, and environmental protection.

          by dianem on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 05:04:39 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

      •  WRITE THE WASHINGTON POST @ (12+ / 0-)

        letters@washpost.com

        Negative reinforcement for bad behavior works... write the post.  Tell them we're sick to death of this crap and it's so unprofessional since Ignatius, Broder have  already gone on MSNBC and MTP and are obviously supporting Hillary.  These guys have played dirty since Dean ran.  SHAME ON THEM.

        •  I feel for the intern... (1+ / 0-)
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          DebtorsPrison

          ... that puts all of this in the SPAM folder...

          Call my cynical...

          When war is considered to be more noble than peace - we have lost everything.

          by feloneouscat on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 05:14:46 AM PST

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        •  I read long ago (0+ / 0-)

          that the residents of Washington Post got tired of the paper printing only negative stories of people in the community. And that they did something that shocked the so-called scribes into reality.

          It's been a while, and so my memory does not serve me well here. But I think what they did was to buy tons of papers, and then took those papers and threw them on the steps of the building.

          These folks need something as dramatic as this to shock them into their unprofessionalism.

          This is crock.  

        •  I wrote the Washington Post today (6+ / 0-)

          Here's my letter:

          I am writing to let you know how  disappointed and angry I am that you would see fit to print an obvious hit piece on the front page of today's post. The article I'm referring to is:

          ON THE DEMOCRATIC FRONT
          Foes Use Obama's Muslim Ties to Fuel Rumors About Him

          By Perry Bacon Jr.
          Washington Post Staff Writer
          Thursday, November 29, 2007; Page A01

          This is the worst piece of journalism I've ever seen in a national paper. It takes rumor and innuendo, which have already been proven completely false and gives them a credible place in a formerly credible newspaper. I don't know how this article ever made it into the paper let alone  on the front page.  I don't know anything about Perry Bacon Jr. but he might be better suited for the weekly world news rather than the "most distinguished " paper in the country.
            I really think you should print a retraction and an apology to Senator Obama on the front page of tomorrow's paper.

          Sincerely

          "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." Sen Daniel Patrick Moynihan

          by atlliberal on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 09:33:50 AM PST

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      •  The Giuliani story IS in the NYT (3+ / 0-)
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        GreenSooner, pgm 01, millwood

        But NOT on the front page.

        William Rashbaum's story is in the NY / REGION section:

        http://www.nytimes.com/...

        Look under last night's pizza's box.

        Abandon ideology. Instead, tell the truth. Always.

        by slowheels on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 06:16:47 AM PST

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      •  It's on NYT site now.... (0+ / 0-)

        City Said to Have Paid Bills as Giuliani Affair Began

        By WILLIAM K. RASHBAUM
        Published: November 29, 2007

        Late in his tenure as mayor of New York, Rudolph W. Giuliani billed tens of thousands of dollars in travel expenses to little-known city agencies as he was beginning an extramarital affair, a political Web site reported yesterday.

        The report, on the Politico Web site, cited documents obtained under the New York State Freedom of Information Law. But it was unclear from those documents whether Mr. Giuliani allocated those travel costs, from 1999 through 2001, to obscure city offices in an attempt to conceal expenses associated with the relationship or for some accounting purpose.

        NYT's Site

        We're not a democracy. It's a terrible misunderstanding and a slander to the idea of democracy. In reality, we're a plutocracy, a government by the wealthy.

        by tshaw1 on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 06:46:28 AM PST

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    •  The blog media is no different or better (4+ / 0-)
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      daria g, carrieboberry, dcg2, duha

      I recall Hillary's hamburger tip garnered front page attention here for 2 days in a row, and diaries attacking Hillary dominate the rec list continually, while those which dare to question other candidates are nastily criticized and troll rated before quickly disappearing.

      •  Hate to say it, but yes. (4+ / 0-)

        Completely true. Hillary smears make the rec list daily, quite a lot of them are purely speculative or inaccurate, she's taken a beating in the media for utterly trivial things (a few people encouraged to ask things at a town hall? scandalous!), and I never see her defended from inaccurate garbage on the front page.  The best I've seen is Kos finally pointing out that, yes, she does poll ahead of the GOP in key swing states.  

        So what's the deal, front pagers?  Are you going to stand up for other Democrats when hit pieces like this come out against them?  Because they have, and they will.

        And yes, the Obama article phrases things that are accurate about his multicultural in an extremely inflammatory way that's only going to fuel rumors and lies.  I heard about it on CSPAN radio and was pretty stunned at the headline and the regurgitating of stupid Internet smears.  I'm glad the big blogs are calling out the Washington Post for that.  

        I just wish the hell the big blogs would stand up for all the candidates.

        •  Agree completely (1+ / 0-)
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          phoenixdreamz

          Hillary does take an unfair beating on this kind of thing every single day from both sides of the aisle.

          I also agree that this entire Obama is Muslim thing is completely inflammatory. The worst of it is, how can he fight it? Part of the rumor of his Islamic past (and present) is that he's trying to make everyone think that he's a Christian. So, if he says that he's actually a Christian. They will just say that the denial proves their point.

          sigh....

          At least I think that most people are well familiar with the Hillary is evil bullshit and tend to be tired of it at this stage -- I certainly am.

      •  That is complete bullshit,,,, (4+ / 0-)

        and I am beyond insulted by your remark.

        For one thing, whether you like it or not, the tip story was factual, not a rumor being spread.

        The front page placement of a "secret Muslim" story about Obama, with ZERO basis in fact, is beyond incompetence by the Post - it reaches intentional dirt status.  This is the equivalent of yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater.

        And just to keep the facts straight, I am a JE supporter.  But this type of non-reporting should outrage everyone, no matter who you support.

        "But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore"--Prine 3870+ dead Americans. Bring them home.

        by Miss Blue on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 05:51:27 AM PST

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    •  Sent to Mr. Bacon... (8+ / 0-)

      (from a friend)

      Your Nov. 29 article on Sen. Obama is little more than GOP propagandistic tripe.

      Why don't you focus on issues of concern to ordinary Americans instead of the racist, divisive garbage being served up by conservatives and the GOP?

      You need to do better and apologize as well for substandard work.

      (he'll let me know what comes of it. Please participate as well; here's the link for e-mailing Mr. Bacon: http://projects.washingtonpost.com/...

      In this country, the armed forces only protect the People's sovereignty. The People themselves guarantee their own liberty.

      by Superskepticalman on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 04:32:14 AM PST

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    •  call wapo ombud (3+ / 0-)
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      mjd in florida, duha, Mr Hegemony
      202-334-7582

      Point out the missing context on snopes site which is also a goto debunking site!

  •  And the Washington Post (3+ / 0-)
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    4Freedom, pgm 01, Shem

    Is about as liberal as the right-wing noise machine that manages to pass as media gets.

    "Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is." - George W Bush

    by jfern on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 01:58:28 AM PST

  •  Rumor, innuendos and lies (10+ / 0-)

    Those types of stories should always be on the front page of a major newspaper after all the tabloids need some competition in the race to the bottom.

  •  Barack Obama (0+ / 0-)

    is our only hope in saving our nation!

    Let us make history, together with Barack Obama in 2008

    by aaraujo on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 01:59:02 AM PST

  •  Forward smear emails to watchdog@barackobama.com (12+ / 0-)

    And check out factcheck.barackobama.com for resources.

    •  And check out factcheck.barackobama.com on how to (6+ / 0-)

      respond to them.

      (For those who keep comments collapsed.)

    •  Please also contact the WashPo directly about (9+ / 0-)

      this story. I just sent the author of this piece Perry Bacon Jr., the following email.

      I have rarely been so disappointed by a lack of journalistic integrity as I am by this series of rumors disguised as a story that has been allowed to appear on the front page of what has been a respected paper. Did no editor read this article. Since when do you report a series of emails on blogs as if they were news. This story was investigated by CNN. They actually performed an investigation by going to Indonesia and speaking to contacts who would actually provide credible information on this topic. They obviously debunked this matter months ago. You by contrast provide nothing more than a series of lies presented in a serious newspaper, therefore providing credence to smears. This is no better than putting the lies about John McCain fathering a black child out of wedlock in SC on the front page of your paper. You should be reprimanded or fired for the lack of journalistic integrity or lack of knowledge of your profession. Disgusting.

  •  Disgusting (30+ / 0-)

    And what makes it all the more disgusting is how the Washington Post is cloaking their Page A01 story.

    The reporter & editors know there's no way to legitimately write a story about a untrue rumor. So in order to sidestep getting hammered for printing a bullshit story, they cloak it as a story about the rumor mongering of a bullshit story.

    So the Washington Post is either using a lie to sell newspapers, or basically telling people that if you create a lie and spread it around the internet enough, they'll publish it on the front page of their paper with a headline & call it news.

  •  I'm heading back State Side tomorrow (11+ / 0-)

    and I tell you what, it has been a pleasure being away from the "infotainment" that passes for American news

    Let us make history, together with Barack Obama in 2008

    by aaraujo on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 02:21:13 AM PST

  •  "Rumors" Bush was behind 9/11 ?? (10+ / 0-)

    Well, "some people" on the internet say...

    Gutter reportering.

    What's next?  Reporting the internet "rumors" of 9/11 and WTC-7 ??

    Shame WaPo, shame.

    Just exactly when did the pod-people take over WaPo??

    Everybody covered the Giuliani scandal, even the New York Post.

    That's how far you've fallen - you're integrity is worse than a tabloid.

    You guys are no better than the loons at the Wall StJ who peddled the Hillary killed Vince Foster slurs.

    Trick or Treat - go ahead, click on my name!!

    by Al Rodgers on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 02:29:47 AM PST

    •  Like I said, Wikipedia journalism. (0+ / 0-)

      Fun exercise:  Use Google to search Wikipedia for the phrase "some say."

      •  Like I (0+ / 0-)

        said, that insults a lot od good people.

        The end game is the presidency not the nomination

        by stevej on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 04:18:23 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Why do you say so? n/t (0+ / 0-)
          •  I think he is referring (0+ / 0-)

            to all of the people who write and contribute to Wikipedia who don't engage in the use of weasel words (which are prohibited and if found need to be removed).  A couple of studies have been done that shows Wikipedia has the same or lower error rate than that of Encyclopedia Britannica.

            It is user submitted content, just like here and just like here erroneous information gets fixed.  I would not base a research paper off of it, but then I was never allowed to base a research paper off of an encyclopedia as a single source anyway.  Besides, given how the Washington Post has decided to write articles,  it is apparent that Wikipedia has higher standards.

    •  Some years back, tracing back to Janet Cooke (9+ / 0-)

      some reporters learned that a good story did not have to have facts behind it, if you were very very careful how you handled your editors.  What followed was a small deluge of lazy reporters who would prefer to make up a story compared to actually researching one.
      The laziness progressed to the next point whereby you not only did not research your stories but you relied on others to write it for you. This is where the GOP Wurlitzer came into play, along with the reporters' natural willingness to be gulled.
      Add to this the exaltation of nonreporters to the level of journalists, such as Rush and Hannity, who referred to themselves as journalists until they found out about professional ethics and other inconveniences.
      So we have those trained to be reporters too lazy to be reporters blending with those who never were journalists but found the rubric was a good defense against criticism.
      In both cases, honest reporting suffered as the frauds did and do prosper.  

  •  OK, wasn't all of this hacked out (6+ / 0-)

    when the first rumors surfaced that Obama had spent his formative years in a madrassa and that his name was really Osama, changed to Obama? Wasn't all this hashed out in January, 2007?
    http://www.newshounds.us/...

    There are plenty of debunking sites for this story but I guess the MSM not only does not read other sources, they don't read what they themselves write. Big Surprise.

    This is just another shot in the attempt at gaining respectibility for this "New Racism" or "Neoethnoparanoia" if you want your wingnut friends' heads to explode.

    •  That the WaPo published this drivel shows the (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      rlochow, irishwitch

      pathetic state of MSM in this country.

      When scurrilous rumor passes as front page news in a news source as prominent as the Washington Post, it is an indicator of how corrupt our media has become. MSM has removed itself from its role as the Fourth Estate of government, and has become a gossip and rumor mill for the corporate interests controlling our government.

      Diarist, thanks for the whup upside MSM's head. The Post richly deserves it.

      There may be times when we are powerless to prevent injustice, but there must never be a time when we fail to protest. - Elie Wiesel

      by 4Freedom on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 04:17:43 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Yeah, exactly (3+ / 0-)
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      rlochow, pgm 01, pamelabrown

      I'm pretty stunned by this article.  Collecting and reprinting rumors from conservative magazines who don't check their facts.

      Welcome to the vast right-wing conspiracy, team Obama!

  •  I'm Torn (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    daria g, phoenixdreamz

    On the Rec list, this kind of gutter stuff gets Recommended if it's about Clinton, people say, they don't want to spend the next 4 to 8 years hearing about Bill's penis.

    So I'm torn.

    Do I want to spend the next 4 to 8 years hearing about Obama's funny name and ties to muslim, true or not it doesn't matter it's just a distraction?  Who wants to deal with it?  Not me.

    Or do I refute this bullshit for the bullshit that it is?  That would be my first inclination.  It would have been my first inclination.

    It's my gut reaction.

    The behavior of Obama supporters will determine the answer to these questions and many others as time presses on.

    •  Two wrongs don't make a right (4+ / 0-)
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      daria g, Fabian, 4Freedom, pamelabrown

      'sides, you'll need those people later on.

      check out how stunning Hillary was in law school - I always thought she was a ringer for Rebecca De Mornay.

      Trick or Treat - go ahead, click on my name!!

      by Al Rodgers on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 03:08:34 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  I've thought this Obama's achilles heel .... (0+ / 0-)

      ...for some time.  Not that their is a single ounce of truth to any of the wingnut rumors, but that the morons in the media would ultimately pick up on them and run with them.  And that the wingnut idiots like Hannity and Limbaugh and Levin and Coulter would ooze their sick breath up their throats, to their tongues, and out their putrid mouths.

      Sick. Sick. Sick.  Welcome, though, to America v.2.0.

    •  It's bullshit, of course.. (0+ / 0-)

      I mean, here we go again, the mainstream media helping the GOP to Swiftboat one of our candidates.

      I'm disgusted by this smear - it's not true, and yes, it fuels the flames of anti-Muslim bigotry that are sadly out there in a lot of this country.  I tend to forget because I live in a very diverse city now, and I grew up with a number of Muslim friends so I never really understood how people could suddenly become so fearful.

      (Bill was right about that, just saying.)

  •  someone at the post is terrified (8+ / 0-)

    that hillary's chances of winning iowa are sinking.    the editors at the washington post know this story is bunk, it was bunk 6 months ago when they first heard about it and nothing has changed since then.

    So why post it on the front page?    Their candidate needs help, ethics be damned, they've gotta do something.    

    Its no accident that its on the frontpage.

    Out of the blue, the deep blue sea - Debussy!

    by soros on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 02:50:23 AM PST

  •  My grandmother forwarded that email to me. (8+ / 0-)

    My "Yellow Dog" grandmother.  This is just disgusting.

    Gods, we need a real press corps.

    Before you ask me why I TR'd your tip jar, ask yourself if you've just been the author of a stupid fucking hit piece.

    by Marcus Tullius on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 02:52:13 AM PST

  •  Perry Bacon pulls Snopes quote out of his ass. (2+ / 0-)
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    irishwitch, smartdemmg

    Curious, I went to Snopes.com and searched the exact quote Perry Bacon cites in the article: ""Be careful, be very careful."  And guess what? Not a single result.  Seems a little risky to fabricate a quote that can be so easily discredited.

    There is more evidence that Bacon is an undercover Republican operative than there is that Obama is a closet Muslim.

  •  For a biography of Bryan (5+ / 0-)

    Check this out:

    http://www.zoominfo.com/...

    I think his ties to the GOP are a bit stronger than the reporter suggested. Yesterday, some folks thought Kos should have disclosed his connections to a Time competitor in his criticism of Klein.

    OK fair is fair; why didn't WaPo reveal this guy's complete background, instead of making him sound like Joe Sixpack?
    His charitable organization is Charleston Expression:
    http://www.taxexemptworld.com/...

    Are reporters this lazy or this brain dead?

  •  So, ahh, I guess this means that... (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    wishingwell, 4Freedom

    Obama won't be one of Romney's cabinet members? (ducks thrown eggs).

    Seriously, The Post is garbage.  From stories about Hillary Clinton's cleavage to yesterday's attempt to cover his butt column by Mike Wilbon in the wake of his unbelievably insensitive remarks in the wake of the death of Washington Redskin Sean Taylor, the Post is junk.  Two words:  David Broder.

  •  Loony conspiracy theories on the front page? (5+ / 0-)

    Man, The Post must really hate Obama. It's shameful they printed this garbage. I hope Obama responds swiftly and forcefully.

  •  No, this story is liberally biased... (5+ / 0-)

    because it didn't repeat the rumor that Obama was behind 9/11, that Hillary killed that one guy, and that Edwards is gay.

    Damn librul media, can't even print made-up smears correctly. Next time they should just call up Ms. Ann Coulter to write the story for them. That way it'd get in there correctly.

  •  Blazing SIRENS (2+ / 0-)
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    irishwitch, 4Freedom

    The only thing missing from this story is the siren at the top of the page.

    OUCH! That image is now seared into my brain, hovering as it twirls just above the words 'Washington Post'

    Note to Pelosi and Reid: continued funding is passive aggressive approval and support of the war in Iraq.

    by susie dow on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 03:26:25 AM PST

  •  Very disturbing, yet (7+ / 0-)
    not surprising.  WaPo has been in Clinton's corner, and seems to have given-up any pretense at neutrality - the rate of anti-Obama editorials has increased lately, now this trash on the front page, no less - stirring-up the lowest, most base, xenophobia and fear in people.  wow, just wow.

    The Post is profoundly neo-con/DLC/Clinton, but to me, stooping to this level only shows desperation - panic even - in the Clinton/neocon/DLC camp.

  •  doubly despicable (5+ / 0-)
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    1. repeating unsubstantiated rumor as news
    1. using race hatred against muslims--why is it even significant?

    Of course, we have to remember, it doesn't matter, because all people take away over their morning news is the impression (like advertising). Obama=Muslim=untrustworthy is being seared into a large percentage of people's brains.

    I just watched Bob Roberts (circa 1994) last night--the funny thing is the elements from the right's playbook and the media's that are satirized there are still essentially what we see (and are still effective) today. It's eerily prescient, though  dealing with the last Gulf War. Same song, different verse, much much worse.

    "Get informed, and let it change you."--wonderingmind42's chemistry professor

    by DemocracyLover in NYC on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 03:37:14 AM PST

  •  Unfair to Drudge? (3+ / 0-)

    After all, yesterday Drudge was highlighting the Giuliani lovenest story.

    The influence of the [executive] has increased, is increasing, and ought to be diminished.

    by lysias on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 03:44:44 AM PST

  •  Without addressing the other story (5+ / 0-)

    Without addressing the other story I think the problem with the Giuliani story is exactly what was discussed on Joe Scarborough this morning.  Their discussion was about his affair with Judith Nathan (leaving alone that this was not his only one) and the fact that this is a "personal" issue and that it is not personal issues that should be discussed as people's private lives should be just that.  What they missed, and what others are missing, is that this story is about much more.  

    It is about a situation where Rudy either used police protection and the funds needed for it in an improper way or he used them in such a way where his close aides did not want people to find out about so they billed it to other city agencies.  

    It is also about the fact that he would not have had the other expenses for lodging or food (either for himself or his security detail) which were charged to the taxpayers if he had not made these trips to the Hamptons.  

    It is also about the fact that he is claiming to be totally above board and that he ran an ethical administration but there have been various people within his administration who did shady or illegal things (Russell Harding and Bernie Kerik) and now it looks like he might have as well.

    This is not strictly a private matter and I hope people in the press realize it.

    "Bill O'Reilly: The worse person in the world...now and for all time...although Ann Coulter is a close second"

    by concernednyer2005 on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 03:52:04 AM PST

    •  I would imagine the press is well aware of negs (1+ / 0-)
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      on Guiliani, he was such a media hound and had so many personal indiscretions that were too blatant to hide.

      MSM wants its corporate shills relatively unsmeared going into the elections, so much Guiliani negative press remains buried. The garbage will emerge if he's the candidate because there's so much of it, but until then he's media's darling.

      There may be times when we are powerless to prevent injustice, but there must never be a time when we fail to protest. - Elie Wiesel

      by 4Freedom on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 04:45:16 AM PST

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  •  asdf (1+ / 0-)
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    I just finished seeing that on the front page of the washington post.  What a rag!!  Unbelievable.  Don't know what else to say.

    * 3874 * http://icasualties.org/oif/

    by BDA in VA on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 03:56:11 AM PST

  •  So what's the problem-... (0+ / 0-)

    with being a Muslim anyway? Why go to such extraordinary lengths to deny something which is absolutely, perfectly acceptable and tolerable in a free, multicultural democratic society. I don't understand why some folks are so damned defensive about this. After all, Christianty is just as ludicrous and insane from a logical and philosophical point of view.

    Why doesn't he fess up and declare himself an ATHEIST, like his father (right!!) or otherwise just accept the label of Muslim as a badge of honor!!

    What a fool I was then. To think that men's lives should be entruted to such fools as myslef"----Julius Caesar in GB Shaw

    by gilgamesh on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 03:56:30 AM PST

    •  Um, because he's a Christian, not a Muslim? (8+ / 0-)

      Are you trolling?

      •  Why is it... (0+ / 0-)

        that of any importance? Does it matter of he is a Muslim or not a Muslim? I think it SURELY is and you are completely BSing yourselves, as usual, if you think otherwise. Being perceived as a Muslim would completely annilihate what (infinitemisal) chances Obama has of being elected by the majority of hopelessly ignorant idiots and imbellices who make up the American electorate.

        I have several acquantainces in the US (just the average folk) who believe that Obama is a Muslim that all Muslims are dangerous, therefore etc.... the man DOES NOT HAVE as mush hope of getting elected Pres of the US than I do.

        BTW, if you think THIS is bad, just imagine what would happen come general election time with Obama as the Dem nominee!! LOL!!! There will be another civil war, for crap's sake!!

        What a fool I was then. To think that men's lives should be entruted to such fools as myslef"----Julius Caesar in GB Shaw

        by gilgamesh on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 10:18:41 AM PST

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    •  Being a Muslim isn't the problem (14+ / 0-)

      It's that the WA Post chose to run a front page story on lies that Obama is involved in some sort of conspiracy to trick America into electing a secret Muslim, presumably for nefarious purposes.  

      Arrogant lips are unsuited to a fool-- how much worse lying lips to a ruler - Proverbs 17:7

      by Barbara Morrill on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 04:19:44 AM PST

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      •  The Right has a huge anti-Muslim campaign (4+ / 0-)
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        underway to prep us into accepting an attack on Iran.

        Not too complicated to see the Cheney/Rovian/neocon strategy at work, it is so bumbling and obvious.

        There may be times when we are powerless to prevent injustice, but there must never be a time when we fail to protest. - Elie Wiesel

        by 4Freedom on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 04:47:16 AM PST

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        •  Obvious to us. To Sheeple.....not so much n/t (1+ / 0-)
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          by geez53 on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 04:50:23 AM PST

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          •  The anti-war sentiment is mounting, despite its (0+ / 0-)

            lack of media coverage.

            There may be an oblivious contingency unwilling to accept the duplicity of our leadership, but that contingency shrinks daily as the deaths mount in Iraq and the finances tighten here at home.

            The wages of war are beginning to strike Americans where they really hurt - in their wallets. Thus the level of domestic discomfort is rising rapidly, as evidenced by the poor retail numbers this holiday season and the rapid fall in housing prices.

            There may be times when we are powerless to prevent injustice, but there must never be a time when we fail to protest. - Elie Wiesel

            by 4Freedom on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 05:05:52 AM PST

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            •  Last night, if I heard correctly, McCain (1+ / 0-)
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              not only took Paul to task for defeatism and not supporting the troops but also asserted that we won in VN but the media kept the American people from finding out.
              With GOP revisionism spreading like wildfire, I anticipate the announcement that the South won the War Between the States any day now.

    •  Because he's not an atheist? (1+ / 0-)
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      It seems kind of silly to 'fess up to something that isn't true.

    •  And besides (1+ / 0-)
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      that retard who talked about his father instructing him in Islam obviously didn't bother to do any research.  Heck, without knowing diddly about his personal life, I still think I remember seeing him talking (on one of the talking heads shows) about how he's so driven because his father basically abandoned his family, and he only ever saw him once or twice.

      Personally, I'd be more likely to vote for him if he was an athiest, rather than a member of the 'We believe in an invisible cop in the sky' crowd.  I hope he's just pandering to the masses though, and doesn't really believe in the supernatural.

      Got a problem with my posts? Email me, and let's resolve it.

      by drbloodaxe on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 07:35:25 AM PST

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  •  The NY Times has nothing, as far as I could see (8+ / 0-)

    The NY Post, that conservative rag, has it on its first page.

    www.nypost.com

    Scary, that the NY Post and Fox News are more honest about this than the WaPo and the NYT.

    My new bumper sticker: Cheney-Satan '08

    by adigal on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 04:05:06 AM PST

  •  TV coverage this morning: (9+ / 0-)

    Giuliani denies the story, so let's move on.

    Unbelievable.

    -

    "Judge me on the content of my character, not the underwear on my head."

    by Bill in Portland Maine on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 04:06:02 AM PST

    •  And CNN just interveiwed the gay general from the (2+ / 0-)
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      filtered "YouTube" debate. Their intro tried to link the poor guy to the Clinton Camp. He's a registered Indy who also supports Rethugs. The link as he explained, was a "name only" position on 2 of her steering committees.

      I belong to no organized political party, I'm a Democrat. -Will Rogers

      by geez53 on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 04:45:46 AM PST

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  •  The media has it's narrative (4+ / 0-)

    and they are not going to let it be derailed by actual events on the ground.

    The end game is the presidency not the nomination

    by stevej on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 04:14:08 AM PST

    •  Or actual facts. n/t (2+ / 0-)
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      I belong to no organized political party, I'm a Democrat. -Will Rogers

      by geez53 on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 04:47:25 AM PST

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    •  You know (0+ / 0-)

      the media never let facts stand in the way. When those folks latch on to something, it's like fleas on a dog's back.

      Got to get some repellant to get them off. Notice how once it starts, they all repeat the same things like sheep.

      Tell me, what do you think the headlines would be on every paper this morning, if it was Hillary, Obama or Edwards being accused of using the tax payers funds in the way Rudy did.

      To bypass Rudy's story almost completely and go after Obama or try to link the soldier to the Clinton campaign is just so wrong.

      I wonder how Junior Bacon came to write the Obama story. It was either his suggested idea to his editors or he was assigned the story. But better yet, what editor decided it would run on the front page.

      They know that the issue is divisive. In my humble opinion, I think that was their intent -- to generate an ugly debate.

  •  Yahoo has Buried Story from Headlines Also (6+ / 0-)

    Look at the Yahoo front page headlines, and not a word about it ... and if you go digging into the Political stories, you find one buried way down the list titled "Giuliani dismisses claim about expenses".

    Gotta guess that some very wealthy people want this buried.

  •  Write in (3+ / 0-)
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    Write to the WaPo's Ombudsman and complain. That's the only way to stop this:

    ombudsman@washpost.com

  •  Some say Perry Bacon Jr. eats his own feces n/t (5+ / 0-)
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    "Being in the center just means you're closer to wrong."

    by Stroszek on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 04:25:58 AM PST

  •  Get used to these Obama smears (2+ / 0-)
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    If Obama wins the nomination, we expect many more smear tactics like this and worse.  It ain't gonna be pretty.

  •  Naturally. The Post is a (1+ / 0-)
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    pro Republican and pro Clinton paper.

    Contrary to popular belief, i think it's a good thing nobody except old people read the newspaper anymore. Soon they'll all be dead, the papers will be broke and we can all move on to more advanced news feeds.

  •  What do you expect? The MSM loves Drudge. (1+ / 0-)
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    It's only natural that since they get spoon fed all their stories from him (lazy fucks) that eventually their own headlines start to look like their sleazy master.

  •  So if the Post is printing this garbage on Obama, (6+ / 0-)

    then where is the story on the rumor (debunked as it may be) about Trent Lott having a relationship with a male prostitute. Hey...if the Post is evolving into a slime rag why not go all the way?

    ...from the bright blue sea of Atlanta in the red swamp of Georgia.

    by VolvoDrivingLiberal on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 04:43:24 AM PST

  •  I suspect (0+ / 0-)

    that the editorial board of the Washington Post is doing nasty, unseemly things with empty toilet paper rolls and gerbils.

    Tomorrow's front page?

    Since it's just on the "Internets," I won't mind if it's below the fold.

    Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable - JFK

    by SecondComing on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 04:50:22 AM PST

    •  Thye may not be, but (1+ / 0-)
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      I firmly believe that Trent Lott and Larry Craig have an intimate acquaintance with small rodents. My source? A small rodent who prefers to remain anonymous, of course/

      The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

      by irishwitch on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 04:54:29 AM PST

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  •  They should put a flashing light on their site nt (2+ / 0-)
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  •  How about separating fact from rumor? (1+ / 0-)
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    How about the Washington Post doing a story on Leona McConnell and her claims that she "officiated" as a dominatrix in a tryst between George W. Bush and the current US Ambassador to Poland. That's right, hot Male on male sex. She was there. No "rumor" about it.
    Oh, I forgot, IOKIYAR!

    Bottom line with Obama is...who gives a damn what his religion is? Is it suddenly against the law to be Muslim? We are fighting criminals who have been brainwashed by an ideology that has little to do with their religion. Muslim radicals are no different that Christian radicals.
    A terrorist actually has no religion. People forget that Mohammed Atta, the guy who ran the 9/11 attacks, a man referred to as a Muslim terrorist, was actually nothing more than a gun for hire. He was NOT a good Muslim. He drank, smoked, screwed any woman who would have him, gambled and did coke (and I don't mean the cola).
    This religion bashing has got to stop.

    "The truth shall set you free, but first it will piss you off!" - Gloria Steinem

    by MA Liberal on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 05:04:29 AM PST

    •  sources are sources (3+ / 0-)
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      Somewhere along the way, having a journalist actually know his sources and know whether they were full of themselves or were chronic liars was considered part of the job.
      Nowadays, it seems journalists have joined the internet revolution so they apparently pick a name at random from an internet bulletin board and just happen to get a guy who has all the background information on Obama. Of course, since this is backgrounded, the reporter never checks the guy's bona fides or even checks the sources he cites. The journalist just transcribes.
      At this point, an editor should step in and gently place the erstwhile journalist out of the newsroom and back to writing obits for a while until he can learn that (1) not all sources are created equal and (2) people lie all the time.
      I guess expecting a journalist or an editor to function at the level we do a 4 year old (don't talk to strangers unless you know who they are) is beyond reasonableness in these lesser days.  

      •  LOL! You're so right (1+ / 0-)
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        The irony is, while they practice such shoddy reporting, they also bash blogs like Daily Kos for being, well, blogs. I used to work in journalism and it's really sad to see the long slow decline that's been going on since the late 1980's. Kids today have no idea what we used to get to watch and read for news when I was growing up. Really sucks.

        "The truth shall set you free, but first it will piss you off!" - Gloria Steinem

        by MA Liberal on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 05:27:21 AM PST

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    •  Don't be wilfully naive, please. (0+ / 0-)

      Bottom line with Obama is...who gives a damn what his religion is? Is it suddenly against the law to be Muslim?

      Of course reasonable, educated people don't care what Obama's religion is.  But you know perfectly well that most Americans aren't that reasonable or educated, and that nothing sells newspapers like a little scabrous religion hatemongering -- don't you?  And the Post knows it too.  

      Their demonizing Muslims is at least as offensive as their lying about Obama being a Muslim.  But don't pretend that you can't imagine why they're doing it.  

  •  Then there's this: (1+ / 0-)
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    Rudy's Ties to a Terror Sheikh

    On top of everything else, this would seem to be the last straw, but aside from Olbermann I've heard hardly a word.

    Even the Wall Street Journal talked about the general subject almost a month ago, but after that, nothing.

    I guess researching love nests in the Hamptons are more fun ... unless it involves digging into how the taxpayers footed the bill for the travel.  Then it's back to reporting easily debunked rumors about Obama's religion.  

    Pitiful.

    "War is not the answer, for only love can conquer hate." - Marvin Gaye

    by JBL55 on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 05:08:25 AM PST

  •  Unfair and Imbalanced Continues (4+ / 0-)
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    If there was even a hint that Hillary Clinton (or any other Democrat) was accused of what Rudy Giuliani is guilty of -- using taxpayer funds to pay for his security while "vacationing" in the Hamptons where he was cheating on his spouse and then hiding the records of such expenses -- this would be the lead in every newspaper, on every news program, and on the lips of every crank newsradio shill on the airwaves.

    Damn that liberal media!

    "Fool me once, shame on -- shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again." --George W. Bush

    by RevJoe on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 05:10:10 AM PST

  •  And they dare to wonder (1+ / 0-)
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    why we are "still angry"...

    "Reality has a well-known liberal bias." --Stephen Colbert

    by InsultComicDog on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 05:12:06 AM PST

  •  C & J Y'all (0+ / 0-)

    What, this isn't Cheers and Jeers?

    Well, in the style of Rudy, fuck it. Oh, and here is the bill for my time.

    Jeers - To "journalists", "editors",  etc. at the tree killer blogs "NYTimes" and "WaPo" for inability to cover a story of national importance. Sure, when Bill had his blow job, it was the talk of the town ("what if in the middle of it he nuked Russia?"). But the fact that for Rudy not only did it but had NYorker pay for it? Nothing. Sheesh.

    That's it. Staying on topic. 'Cause that's my style.

    For the next five minutes. Or less.

    When war is considered to be more noble than peace - we have lost everything.

    by feloneouscat on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 05:12:47 AM PST

  •  Muslim Good (0+ / 0-)

    Has it occurred to anybody that your system of government makes a religious affiliation moot? Church and State and all that stuff. But what continuous polling shows us, is that America is the same bigoted racist country that Martin describe so many years ago. How is this possible in the 21st Century? The only thing I can think of is fear and ignorance.

    Lary Waldman

    •  Well (0+ / 0-)

      Ideally it's moot.  In reality, as we saw with George W Shrub, people with strong religious values can easily pervert the separation of church and state.  'Faith based initiatives' my rear.  Funnelling taxpayer dollars, including those from atheists, hindus, buddhists, etc into christian-centric coffers.

      Actually wanting to keep people we believe will work against the principles of good government isn't bigotry or racism.

      I don't really care if candidates believe in invisible sky fairies or not, as long as they don't work to involve the invisible sky fairy agenda into government.

      Got a problem with my posts? Email me, and let's resolve it.

      by drbloodaxe on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 07:45:32 AM PST

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  •  It's Not a Rumor (6+ / 0-)
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    It's a smear. That the Washington Post can't tell the difference tells you all you need to know about the editorial staff there.

  •  Barb, I wonder... (0+ / 0-)

    I sense a tug-of-war going on in the big media world.

    I feel there is a dread of Senator Clinton beyond good reason. I don't think the Republicans want to run against her.  Rove may have made his statements about her, but her campaign has been pugnacious in defense against attacks, well organized, unifed, and not given to making fixed policy statements this far out from either the primaries, [and face it the early races are pretty small], or the general elections.

    Note the loopy reporting on polling.  Contrast that with a Gallup poll.  Here comes the electability meme again.

    Now Obama gets the slime.  I think either Edwards or Obama would make a great VP for Hillary.  It is clear that Republicans think Obama is the bigger problem.  Obama would unify the two largest minorities I think, Black and Hispanic too.  Without them, the Pubbies are sunk and they know it.  That is a massive voting block.  Add in the Muslims, the free thinkers worried about theocracy, the antiwar movement, the veterans rights organizers beyond the Legion and VFW republican licking good-for-nothings which I am ashamed of by the way, and the general discontent of the public for Bush or any of his gang, and I feel fear in Republicans.

    Edwards has been ignored.  Have you noticed this?

    Barb, for the life of me I could swear that Republicans are terrified of Hill and Barack.
    They blast, slime, and posture, but offer only bizarre appearances like last night's debate.

    This far from the election...strange.

    Today, 11/27/07, 3876 Americans, and untold Iraqis are dead, tens of thousands more maimed. What are YOU going to do today to help end the Bush/Republican war?

    by boilerman10 on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 05:23:02 AM PST

  •  The post is just trying to be fair and balanced! (1+ / 0-)
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    An imaginary Democratic scandal gets more coverage than a real republican one.

    CHRISTIAN, n. One who believes that the New Testament is a divinely inspired book admirably suited to the spiritual needs of his neighbor. A. Bierce

    by irate on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 05:26:06 AM PST

  •  lying pieces of shit - why being nice is STUPID (0+ / 0-)

    it is great that blog-o-topia is reality based

    yawn

    and not yelling and not irrational, but

    cuz the sell out media mouthpieces are NOT called what they fucking are

    LYING PIECES OF SHIT

    they keep getting away with their lying.

    calling them untruthful and untrustworthy and some-other-big-name-description really hides what they are

    LYING PIECES OF SHIT

    and actually allows them to continue to have some kind of respectability, cuz we're using respectable negative names!

    ugh.

    Peter Bacon Jr. - you are a LYING PIECE OF SHIT.

    robert murphy
    seattle.

    Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look; He thinks too much: such men are dangerous

    by seabos84 on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 05:27:16 AM PST

  •  WaPo Is A Friend Of Giulianis. You should see (2+ / 0-)
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    What they write about Hillary then compare it to what they write of Giuliani. Its like night and day.

    But you know fish dies by its mouth and Giuliani is on record saying everything thats been said about him is basically not there, so he is already lying which doesnt look good.

  •  It is a big story here (2+ / 0-)
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    at Daily Kos (Rudy, the girlfriend, and taxpayers money) and as we build more and more alternative news sources and information, we won't need to worry as much about the lies and disinformation that the Washington Post delivers.  They are a corporate business and their business is making money, not journalism.

    We need to also remember that Kos will be writing now for the Main Stream Media (Newsweek which is owned by the same folks as the Washington Post) -- I think this is a mistake on his part.  He should be spending more of his time and our time in building alternatives to the Main Stream Media not giving them more bang for their buck by buying into their balance sillyness.  (I don't think having Karl Rove, a war criminal and an all out horrible person is a balance to Kos.  If Kos wasn't star struck and a little overwhelmed by this annointment by a Main Stream Media outlet,  he would drop that gig immediately. Of course they want Kos readers to buy Newsweek... it is a business but we shouldn't sell out to Main Stream Media, we should replace it.)  

    This blog does very good reporting.  However, I think people here generally forget that when we read reports here about the disinformation and lies by organizations like the Washington Post and Newsweek... the answer is not to attack with hopes that they we will reform and hire Kos and Rove... as the system is too corrupt for reformation.  We need to attack and pursuade people to continue to support and to create and report and build the alternative media sources.

    The more people connected to those, the stronger they get and then the Washington Post can be forgotten.

    don't link to MSM; support your alternative grassroots media by linking to them

    by john from vermont on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 05:28:50 AM PST

  •  Well (1+ / 0-)
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    you know, if Bryan says it, then by god we'd better get that into print asap. We don't wanna be scooped on that huge story.

    How in the hell are these people able to say the word jounalism and keep a straight face?

    Common Sense is not Common

    by RustyBrown on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 05:29:48 AM PST

  •  But it's their patriotic duty to flack for hawks! (0+ / 0-)

    Why else would the the major "News" Producers have given us News Consumers flackery in favor of hawkishness for the last century if it weren't vital to The National Interest (which they alone calculate)?

    If they hadn't done so, we might not have had many of the wars, subversions, coups, and 'freedom fighting' which the US establishment initiated!

  •  WaPo Wants To Smear Barack Obama To Help (1+ / 0-)
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    Rudy Giuliani, its all so clear.

    They are pimping Rudy cause he is down on almost every poll for the last few weeks (he was horrible in the CNN Youtube debate) and Bashing Obama cause he is surging in the polls in the last few weeks.

    It is so clear they want a subway series, Rudy vs Hillary that it makes me wanna puke.

    I support Hillary but it enfuriates me when the media takes sides on any candidate, be it a demorcrat or a republican and does not disclose it.

    To all WaPo columnists please report the news and dont try to like BE the frickin news by basically COOKING smears, lies, inuendo and PACKAGING them as REAL NEWS.

    You all should now better, you didnt do your homework when Bush plowed into Iraq and now we are stuck there, thanks to your inquisitive hard hitting style, which gave a pass to Bush and Cheney to effectively wreck this country and its reputation around the world.

  •  This is not the biggest elephant in Obama's room (0+ / 1-)
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    This charge against Obama is clearly ridiculous although it is going to resonate with a few nut cases. These folks were never going to vote for a democrat anyway so it's not worth worrying about. The other problem is much more serious and would effectively preclude him carrying any southern state and a couple in the northeast and midwest. No one including me wants to talk about it but it's a fact of life that there is a lot of residual racism around in this country. In my opinion it's not the major factor that disqualifies him as the democratic candidate but it's a significant factor and democrats who want to win next year ignore it at their peril.  

    •  His race does not disqualify him from being (0+ / 0-)

      the nominee, asswipe.

      "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

      by Geekesque on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 07:07:37 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  The real race problem in this country (0+ / 0-)

      is all the people who get paid to tell us we have race problems.  We had a 'race' incident last winter in my town.

      A cop was speeding late at night.  Witnesses say no sirens, although the cop disputed that.  He hit an elderly gentleman who was jaywalking across a 4 lane street from a bar (where witnesses say he was attending a party, but did not drink alcohol) to a parking lot.  Said man died.

      The cop was white, the elderly man black.  Despite this obviously having NOTHING to do with skin color and everything to do with a cop speeding without proper precautions, a certain high profile 'racial crusader' came to town to try and whip it into a racist incident of 'white cop kills black man'.

      These folks need to try and remember their civil rights roots and actually deal with real racial injustices rather than try to manufacture them to keep their own names in the newspapers.

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      by drbloodaxe on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 07:54:48 AM PST

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  •  Obama's Muslim Ties (2+ / 0-)
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    Someone sent me the Obama email at work.  What's real and what's total fabrication?  Is it true his dad was Muslim?  Is it true he went to school in Indonesia with Muslims?  There are people where I live who believe this crap and I just want to know what's going on.  It's bad when Muslim equals fundamentalism to people these days. It's like equating Christianity with the Klu Klux Klan.  After seven years of scare tactics, a lot of people aren't looking at things rationally.

    •  Please refer them to this page (2+ / 0-)
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      http://www.barackobama.com/...

      Barack Obama Is Not and Has Never Been a Muslim. Obama never prayed in a mosque. He has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ.

      Obama's Step-Father Saw Religion "As Not Particularly Useful," But Followed "A Brand of Islam" That Made Room for Animist and Hindu Faiths. Obama wrote in the Audacity of Hope, "When my mother remarried, it was to an Indonesian with an equally skeptical bent, a man who saw religion as not particularly useful in the practical business of making one's way in the world, and who had grown up in a country that easily blended its Islamic faith with remnants of Hinduism, Buddhism, and ancient animist traditions." Obama wrote in Dreams from My Father, "Like many Indonesians, Lolo followed a brand of Islam that could make room for the remnants of more ancient animist and Hindu faiths." [Audacity of Hope, p 204; Dreams From My Father, p 37]

      Rudy says the bible is his favorite book!

      by State Department on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 05:56:31 AM PST

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    •  Are far fewer than GW Bush's Muslim ties (2+ / 0-)
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      Pictures of GW walking hand in hand with Saudi princes ring any bells?  Huge economic ties between the Bush family and Middle Eastern oil barons, anyone?  And descending into the pit, ties continue, as we get to the Cheney-Halliburton-Dubai triangle.  Admittedly, I would imagine most of the people that link the Bush family and bush cronies to the Middle East despotic rulers are probably muslim in name only and really worship money first, like most American neocons.  All hail the almighty capitalism.

      Got a problem with my posts? Email me, and let's resolve it.

      by drbloodaxe on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 07:59:09 AM PST

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  •  Swiftboating is an oft misused phrase. (1+ / 0-)
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    But this time, it's accurate.

    What made the Swiftboating of John Kerry so unique (and dangerous to democracy) was that it was a case of political opponents making up demonstrable lies and having those lies amplified by the traditional media.

    Too often this year, the term has been thrown around when it's not really analagous to what John Kerry (like when Matt Lauer referred to the NY Firefighters pointing out their verifiable and accuate beef with Giuliani as "swiftboating".)

    But this time, it's a true Swiftboating.  A bunch of random people make stuff up and spread it around the internet and it becomes front page news in an "important" outlet that is too timid to point out that the rumors are 100% bunk.  I mean, the idea that anyone could quote an Internet rumor off Snopes without mentioning Snopes' decisive conclusion is hard to believe, even for what I've come to expect out of the the traditional media.  

    Another shameful episode...

    •  I got a chuckle (0+ / 0-)

      What made the Swiftboating of John Kerry so unique...

      The term wasn't even used before him, was it?  I thought it came about as a result of the fact that the attack group that went after him was called 'Swift Boat Vets for slander' or somesuch.

      Got a problem with my posts? Email me, and let's resolve it.

      by drbloodaxe on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 08:04:06 AM PST

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      •  Yep, swiftboat was not in common use (0+ / 0-)

        at that time but came out as part of the discussion of his service, whereby several terms from the late 60s and 70s gained recognition again, or at least broader usuage. The group against Kerry was supposedly composed of other riverine vets from the era who opposed him and tried to denigrate his service.

  •  They Forgot To Add (2+ / 0-)
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    That Obama actually shot himself in the leg to earn his medals in Vietnam.

    We have two opponents in 2008: The GOP nominee, and the "liberal media" that pushes whatever narrative the wingnuts desire.

    They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time, it works every time. -- Brian Fantana

    by IndyScott on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 05:54:08 AM PST

  •  ATTENTION ATTENTION!!! READ THIS! (1+ / 0-)
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    PeckingOrder

    Yesterday, Politico's Ben Smith nailed Rudy Giuliani for nailing his mistress on the taxpayer's dime. And in today's Washington Post, what kind of coverage does this major, investigative piece receive? Three sentences buried in the middle of their debate coverage.

    Just saw today's NY Post at the gas station this morning, and Rudy's tryst slush fund is the front page splash! Predictions of the MSM's complicity on this matter may be premature!

    Oh, and one more thing.... Hey Rudy, ahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

    Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!

    by bigtimecynic on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 05:54:27 AM PST

  •  This is called "swift-boating" (6+ / 0-)

    Take the most outrageous of lies, no matter how improbable (Kerry dishonestly received 5 medals in Viet Nam, Obama is secretly a Muslim), and then give both "sides" a chance to debate the issue.  Even if the best evidence of one side is "I assume what I say is true" or nothing more than rumors, the story is still page one fodder. Look for it to show-up on the afternoon cable news shows.

    •  It's Swiftboating all right (2+ / 0-)
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      and Obama had better jump on it fast.  The allegations are preposterous, even laughable, which is exactly what threw the Kerry campaign off stride.  Obama has got to strike back.  And quickly.  Speed kills,

      Does the star spangled banner still wave o'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

      by blue guitar on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 06:00:11 AM PST

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      •  Stand Up Against WaPo (1+ / 0-)
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        Obama shouldn't fall over himself debunking the smears, he should be all over the WaPo for front paging the smears.  As has been pointed out upthread, these are rumors, they have been previously debunked, a main "source" for the article is a FUCKING POSTER ON A WEBSITE, who just happens to be a Republican operative.  Obama and the other candidates need to go after WaPo or else this shit isn't going to stop.

        All men want to be rich. Rich men want to be king. And the king ain't satisfied till he rules everything. Springsteen

        by howd on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 07:20:09 AM PST

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        •  You're right in principle (1+ / 0-)
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          but wrong tactically, in my opinion.  If he attacks the Post, no matter how right he is, he'll look like a sore loser.  He's got to attack the smear and (he can add) "those who spread it" -- and let people draw their own conclusions.  

    •  Swiftboating means picking apart the (2+ / 0-)
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      other person's position or history point by point, even if you are wrong yourself. For example with Kerry, he evidently made a reference to being on the Cambodian border on Christmas.  The swiftboaters picked apart his story, going over his service records and his unit's records to prove that he was not there on Christmas Day but maybe two or three days later (ever try to keep track of time in a combat zone or when you are having to do multiple patrols? Days and time tend to merge and blend so that it is easy to lose track of time and memory, after so many years, is defective at time. Finally everyone dresses up their personal narrative at some point; the question is if it changes the history substantively)
      Next they tried to prove he never was on the Cambodian border by asserting that the Mekong River does not flow there. It does but the MSM had already picked up the story but not a map.
      Finally, they had a bunch of guys from his unit testify what a wimp and wuss and all around loser he was. However, not one ever served with him directly and the ones who had had contact had inconsistencies in their stories. Thank goodness swiftboaters never have to prove their own narratives.
      I think that illustrates the process pretty well.    

    •  Well sure (0+ / 0-)

      Limblow, Hannifreak, OLielly, and Muckin will be all over this like salmonella on week old Tgiving turkey left on the counter.

      Got a problem with my posts? Email me, and let's resolve it.

      by drbloodaxe on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 08:08:43 AM PST

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  •  fucking ridiculous. the political process in this (1+ / 0-)
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    country, along with it's dutiful sidekick--the equally screwy MSM--is becoming the biggest, gargantuan-fuck-up of a joke more than anything else conceivable.

    I'm for Edwards, but Obama rocks. Period. Wapo and Rudy suck big bananas.

    Democrats demand change--not experience. Now let's turn this mother around.

    by PeckingOrder on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 05:55:28 AM PST

  •  Rudy must be stopped - not suprised he skated (0+ / 0-)

    AGAIN! I said yesterday this had no legs. It so eerilly  and ominously like the way "W" has always been treated in the Media - with gloves "on" - question the accuser and scoff at the charges - softball questions - no questions - he-he's - and looking the other way and turning accusers into the Villains. Look Giuliani is so close to going all the way that we all must like yesterday do everything we can to get the facts out. He must be stopped. If you even doubted that he will be the nominee or that his past will bring him down you need look no further than yesterday and TODAY to know what we are up against. It will take much more than charging NYC for your whore. This won't do it. BushCo still controls the GOP with a tight grip and they want RUDY & JUDY and Haley Barbour for VP that is what they'll have at all costs. The coming battle of the Century II HILL vs RUDY (got postponed in 2000) >  is what the Media has always wanted and will get. They missed out on a vicious NY Senate Race when Rudy declined to run (for health reasons) which sort of fit (except we know now he was banging Judy behind #2's back or (face 2 to her face we learn now) whichever. The 2008 election is very much in the balance. I predict a 50/50 nail biter - up all night Dem loss a la 2000 - 2004. We done very little to insure that OHIO & FLORIDA will not be stolen again. It's a very very scary time in this country. Throw in RON PAUL to sap some to the Dem vote and we got big troubles.

    Progressives - stay UNDECIDED on 2008 -4.63 -7.54

    by AustinSF on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 06:15:25 AM PST

    •  Rudy didn't skate! (2+ / 0-)
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      As I just posted above, Rudy is busted wide open on this morning's COVER STORY of the New York Post. And rememeber, the Post is owned by Rudy buddy Rupert Murdoch.  When the Post splays this across its front page, Rudy may be damaged goods. Am I the only one here who looks at the news papers in the morning? How come I see nobody else posting this?

      Check it out yourself here. There is no indication that this is the cover, but you'll have to trust me on that.

      Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!

      by bigtimecynic on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 06:28:07 AM PST

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    •  I need a really good precis (0+ / 0-)

      with timeline of all the Giuliani crap to present to my housemate and her family.  Staunch republicans all, they hate hill and love rudy, but they're not stupid, just brainwashed.

      Can someone write up a diary with timelines and solid references to show his various misdeeds?  Something I could print out in pamphlet form to hand to them?  Every voter we can turn against rudy's lies is another step towards a good 2008-2012.

      Got a problem with my posts? Email me, and let's resolve it.

      by drbloodaxe on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 08:02:21 AM PST

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  •  WaPo Whopper Test (1+ / 0-)
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    The following is complete fabricated BS by me. Will it find its way to the WaPo front page?

    "SOME SAY that Oprah has talked Obama into fighting for slave reparations. Using the same system as Katrina Visa Cards, anyone who fills out a form CLAIMING to be the relative of a slave will be paid ONE MILLION DOLLARS.

    Relatives of early Chinese rairoad workers who were pressed into service will also qualify. The money will come from the SOCIAL SECURITY GENERAL FUND."

    Do I see a drooling WaPo reporter on the horizon?

  •  I hate our media. (0+ / 0-)

    This kind of BS pisses me off to no end. And not just when it's directed at my candidate of choice. Shoddy "journalism" at its worst.

    http://factcheck.barackobama.com/

    by dagnabbit on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 07:00:45 AM PST

  •  They're playing the race card (2+ / 0-)
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    That's exactly what this is, and that's exactly how we should respond.

    Many blacks have converted to Islam, and the accusation of being Muslim is just a back-door way of calling out Obama's race and playing off bigots' fears of both blacks and Muslims.

    So this isn't just a rumor or a lie, it's a racist lie.

    Do not ever say that the desire to "do good" by force is a good motive. Neither power-lust nor stupidity are good motives. - Ayn Rand

    by CA Libertarian on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 07:02:35 AM PST

  •  Dumbassses read it and assume it true (3+ / 0-)
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    Like my dipshit friend.

    Dipshit: Did you hear Obama is a muslim?  I'll never vote for him!

    Me: He's not a muslim.

    Dipshit: Yes he is, I heard it.

  •  UPDATE: WaPo's corrected version of this story (1+ / 0-)
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    "In his speeches and often on the Internet, the part of Perry Bacon Jr.'s biography that gets the most attention is not his illiteracy but his habit of ingesting his own feces.

    Since declaring his candidacy for class clown in February, Bacon, a member of a congregation of the Shit-Eaters for Truth in Media, has had to address assertions that he is a coprophagist or that he had received training in coprophagia in Fred Hiatt's toilet, where he lived from ages 6 to 10. While his father was a wind instrument and his mother did not practice personal hygiene, Bacon's stepfather did occasionally attend orgies at a 7-11 there.

    Despite his denials, rumors and e-mails circulating on the Internet continue to allege that Bacon (honey-cured) is a coprophiliac, a "GOP operative" in a conspiracy against America, and that, if elected class clown, he would take the oath of office using an Oreck upright vacuum cleaner, rather than a slide-whistle, as did Joe Klein (Liar - Time), the only surviving dwarf from SNOW WHITE, when he was sworn in earlier this year."

    "Yes, President Bush broke into my house, stole my money, murdered my wife, raped my children and ate my pets ... but 9/11 changed everything!"

    by somenyguy on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 08:14:10 AM PST

  •  You Need More Proof. (0+ / 0-)

    Great article, Mr. Bacon.  By the way, my plumber’s cousin has a friend whose nephew’s roommate’s acupuncturist knows a guy who overheard a elevator operator in Malta state that he’s almost sure he once saw a secret picture of Obama wearing a black beard and eating pistachios.....now if that doesn’t clinch it, I don’t know what does.

  •  I heard Mitt Romney bites the heads off babies (1+ / 0-)
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    I swear this guy I met at my cousin's house in Chicago grew up in Massachussettes and he showed me pictures of Mitt Romney with blood on his lips that came from a baby whose head he had just bitten off!

    Washington Post, Page 1, here we come! Yeah baby!

    I am the federal government.

    by mateosf on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 10:37:25 AM PST

  •  I heard Huckabee is a kitten killer! (1+ / 0-)
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    I swear I was in this bar one time and this guy with a strong Arkansas accent told me that he heard that Huckabee's cousin's wife once saw Huckabee mow down an entire shelter filled with cuddly little kittens with his uzi - and that he laughed the whole time!

    Kitten killer! How can this man possibly be qualified for the White House?

    I am the federal government.

    by mateosf on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 10:47:28 AM PST

  •  I heard that Rudy Giuliani smokes crack (1+ / 0-)
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    I have it on verry, very strong authority that Giuliani hits the pipe at least 4 or 5 times a day. I can prove it, too, if the Washington Post wannts to give me a call; page 1, here we come!

    I am the federal government.

    by mateosf on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 10:52:08 AM PST

  •  My comment to the WP early this morning-- (0+ / 0-)

    --(A bit long. I'm an Edwards supporter, but THIS STORY REALLY PISSED ME OFF.
    P.S.-Thanks for the links upthread for Mr. Bacon and the Ombudsman.)

    You know, if the Washington Post wishes to publish an execrable FRONT PAGE hit piece on Obama BASED ON RUMORS, assumptions, and innuendo, the LEAST they could do is hire Ann Coulter--she's a PROFESSIONAL hate and fear-monger.

    This is TABLOID TRASH, with the imprimatur of the "esteemed" WASHINGTON POST to lend it some semblance of credibility. For the authors of this piece or it’s editors to defend it as anything other than a WILLFUL intent to SABOTAGE the candidacy of Barack Obama would be a BLATANT LIE.

    If I were Obama, I’d SUE FOR SLANDER AND DEFAMATION OF CHARACTER.

    The American people and traditional media would be well served to be reminded that Article 6, paragraph 3 of the U.S. Constitution CLEARLY STATES:

    The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but NO RELIGIOUS TEST SHALL EVER BE REQUIRED AS A QUALIFICATION TO ANY OFFICE OR PUBLIC TRUST UNDER THE UNITED STATES.

    With the passage of abhorrent legislation such as the AUMF, the PATRIOT ACT, the MILITARY COMMISSIONS ACT, and the PROTECT AMERICA ACT essentially rendering the founding principles of our nation null and void, it’s hardly surprising that  "conventional wisdom"  considers Article 6, paragraph 3 irrelevant as well.

    When the government of a nation-state such as ours is allowed to drift so far from the principles enshrined in it’s founding document as to openly defy international, constitutional, and statutory law, usurp and consolidate power unto a "unitary executive" that can spy on, detain and torture whoever it wants at will, hire private mercenary armies to help fight wars of corporate imperial conquest despite the protestations of a majority of it’s constituency, that nation-state ceases to exist, in all but name only. I shudder to think what we have become, but it most DEFINITELY is NO LONGER THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

    We’ve all witnessed the DISASTERS, CORRUPTION, INEPTITUDE and  CLASS WARFARE of REPUBLICAN’S governance these last seven years—9/11, Iraq, Katrina; Abramoff, Plame, Gonzales, Foley (et al); massive tax cuts for the top 1% in time of war, record budget deficits, trade deficits, and astronomical national debt. Outsourcing of jobs to cheap labor markets. A housing market meltdown. A falling dollar. And rising fuel prices.

    ALL WITH NO END IN SIGHT.

    This HAS been, and WILL CONTINUE TO BE, THE STORY of our age, until the CRIMINAL REGIME known as THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION and it’s enablers in the REPUBLICAN PARTY are REMOVED. Until the balance of powers, the rule of law and the Constitution itself are restored, true social and economic justice for all Americans will continue to be a fading dream.  

    IN A 2 PARTY SYSTEM, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE BUT ONE HOPE.  THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.  

    IF IT IS THE SINCERE WISH OF THE WASHINGTON POST FOR THE DISASTROUS POLICIES OF THE PAST SEVEN YEARS TO CONTINUE ( and I can only assume that IS the case evidenced by today’s piece), THEN BY ALL MEANS, CONTINUE WITH THE FRONT PAGING OF  NATIONAL ENQUIRER TRAILER-TRASHING OF THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES—here, let me help you  out—I know how you traditional inside the beltway types HATE to break with your established narratives, facts be DAMNED, so since you just did the "Obama=Osama=TERRORIST"  meme, here’s your next two headlines:

    Hillary Clinton: Lesbian? Or just a "Bitch"?

    John Edwards: Gay? Or  just "Effeminate"?

    Truly and utterly despicable, that stories like this one today are what passes for "journalism" in the paper of our nation’s capital.

    But like I said, not surprising in the least.

    "I have neither the time nor legal background to figure out who's right."

    Political contributor and columnist for TIME magazine Joe Klein, after misleading 4 million readers on the facts of warrantless wiretapping.

  •  Perry Bacon--unavailable-- (0+ / 0-)

    Got this error message with Bacon's e-mail address:

    washingtonpost.com  >  MyPost Page

     

    E-mail address not available
    We're sorry, but we don't have a contact information on file for the person you'd like to contact.

    © 2007 The Washington Post Company

  •  A better headline (0+ / 0-)

    "Right Wing Smears Obama with False Accusations".

    No, it's not neutral. But it's more accurate than what they wrote.

    You vote independent... I'll stick with the party that brought us social security, civil rights, and environmental protection.

    by dianem on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 05:03:20 PM PST

  •  Giuliani is a slut. TRUE. (0+ / 0-)

    Huckabee paroled a serial rapist who raped and murdered a woman after release.  TRUE.

    9-11 changed everything? Well, Katrina changed it back.

    by varro on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 07:24:49 PM PST

  •  In other news, Obama has denied that he ... (0+ / 0-)

    In other news, Obama has denied that he sucks the blood of children, masturbates into the Bible during church (when he's not at the mosque), and exchanges plutonium for Afghani heroin.  In the twice-daily phone-call between WaPo 'reporters' and Clinton campaign staffers, it was confirmed that Obama has been dogged by these rumors, and that his mention of children, religion, WMD and Afghanistan make these rumors worth remarking on.   Some once-credible newspapers report that this may be a sign that Obama is too inexperienced to handle the demands of the Presidency.  

    Oi vay.

    Obama has denied a separate charge: that he does not hold his hand to his heart during the Pledge of Allegiance.

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