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My Repesentative does Not Represent Me.

Sat Nov 03, 2007 at 10:23:04 AM PDT

I am just a Blue California Girl in the 3rd District who is frustrated by her Red Representative.  I send letters expressing my views, but what is the use? He is unpersuaded, and elections are so far away.

I am sharing the response I got from Congressman Dan Lungren because it illustrates a pattern of rationalization that explains away the crimes of the Bush Administration.  Or at least I think they are crimes.  With so much obfuscation, facts and opinions seem to be interchangeable.

Perhaps my fellow Kossacks can help me sort through the finer points of my Representative's response letter.

Here is goes:

Thank you for you letter concerning the subject of Presidential impeachment. I always appreciate hearing from my constituents, even when we disagree.  

Article II Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution provides that the President, Vice President and all Civil Officers of the U.S., shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors. It is in my view not appropriate for this provision to be used for the purpose of constitutionalizing differences over policy.

Okay, so what some call "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors", Mr. Lungren calls policy.  The Bush Administration has made a policy of treason.  How does calling it policy make it excusable?  Am I missing something here?
 

The question of treason, bribery, and other high crimes and misdemeanors is not relevant to the current debate over Administration policy.  For example, the issue of NSA wiretaps does not even come close to the constitutional standard for impeachment.

...the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York in U.S. v. Bin Laden has acknowledged, "warrantless foreign intelligence collection has been an established practice of the Executive Branch for decades."... In fact, in both the Carter Administration, and the Clinton Administration warrantless searches were conducted.  

These facts appear to have been cherry-picked from the Court decision and are somewhat distanced from the current legal question.  Even if Carter and Clinton cracked the door a smidgen, that does not make it legal for Bush to throw it wide open by applying this practice indiscriminantly to the American population.  

Former Deputy Attorney General John Schmidt [wrote in] the Chicago Tribune that: "President Bush's post-September 11, 2001 authorization to the National Security Agency to carry out electronic surveillance into private phone calls and e-mails is consistent with court decisions and with the positions of the Justice Department under prior presidents."

Schmidt's opinion that Bush was consistent with prior presidents does not make it legal.  Given the 40 pending lawsuits against telecom companies, the legality of this decision has not been settled.  

Critics of the decision by President Bush have argued that the President should have used the FISA procedures to obtain a "FISA Court warrant."  First of all, it stretches credulity to suggest that the President was required by law to do so.

The court with appellate jurisdiction over the FISA Court issued an opinion in 2002 relating to the issue of Presidential authority to conduct warrantless foreign surveillance searches.  The court stated, "We take for granted that the President does have that authority and, assuming that is so, FISA could not encroach on the President's constitutional power."  

...There is a sufficient legal and historical basis for the actions of President Bush concerning the surveillance program.  The question is not whether one agrees with the policy, but rather, whether it rises to the constitutional standard for impeachment.  In my view, it clearly does not.

Hmmm...  So now that Mr. Lungren has rejected all FISA-related articles of impeachment.  What about the other articles?

There has also been some criticism of the Military Commissions Act concerning limitations on habeas corpus review that would result from its enactment. As mentioned, the Act would divert all judicial review through the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit.
 
However, it should be noted that the references made by opponents of the legislation to the Great Writ and the right to habeas corpus relief are misplaced. As Professor Erwin Chemerinsky points out in his treatise on Federal Jurisdiction, "The constitutional provision does not create a right to habeas corpus; rather federal statutes, specifically those adopted after the Civil War provided the authority for federal court habeas corpus relief to state courts from releasing individuals who were wrongfully imprisoned."  In other words, statutory habeas corpus relief is a statutory creation which can be limited by Congress.

Whoa! Mr. Lungren is questioning the Constitutional basis of Habeas Corpus as a way to deflect its abuse as an impeachable offense!  Moreover, Erwin Chemerinsky is pointing out the federal statutes that bolster the right of habeas corpus as relief to wrongly imprisoned persons.  Is Mr. Lungren suggesting that Congress enact new laws to limit the right of habeas corpus?  I hope not!  

Another justification offered by some concerning [impeachment] concerns the war in Iraq.  Although we did not find weapons of mass destruction, the U.S. was not alone in concluding that the intelligence pointed toward the conclusion that Iraq possessed such weapons. The British government looked at the same evidence and came to the same conclusion. In fact, the French government did not doubt that Iraq possessed such weapons but felt that the U.N. inspection process should be completed prior to taking any action against the nation of Iraq. The Clinton Administration was of the view that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction.  Accordingly, the decisions made concerning Iraq do not rise to the constitutional level concerning impeachment.

The British came to the same conclusion based on false evidence the U.S. provided to them.  So the fact that we conned the British into making a mistake justifies our so-called mistake?

Iraq DID have chemical weapons decades ago.  However, no one demonstrated that Iraq had sufficient capability in 2002 to be a threat to our allies.  The burden was on the United States to accurately prove that Iraq was an imminent threat before untaking a pre-emptive strike.  

In closing, here is what Mr. Lungren had to say:

The actions of the Bush Administration do not come close to the threshold for this to be considered a legitimate issue.
Sincerely, Daniel E. Lungren
Member of Congress

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  •  At least my Rep and I can disagree respectfully. (7+ / 0-)

    I do have a glimmer of hope that letters to my Representative have some small effect on his positions.  I would hate to think that my actions are completely pointless.

    This is my first diary, and I was reluctant to post it because it is a bit of a rant; however, I am sincere about wanting to know how other Kossacks in similar situations deal with their Congressional representatives.

    Impeachment is a duty, not an option that can be taken off the table.

    by bushondrugs on Sat Nov 03, 2007 at 10:25:39 AM PDT

    •  I'm kinda jealous. (2+ / 0-)

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      pseudopod, bushondrugs

      You got a more substantive response than I've ever received from my CA Dem Rep - a lady named Nancy.

      All she's said (and not even in a response to me - I have to see her on TeeVee) is "Impeachment is Off the Table."

      Great diary.

      If you call this a rant, you clearly haven't been reading some of the other diarists...

      John McCain: America Can't Afford Healthy Children

      by Chrispy67 on Sat Nov 03, 2007 at 10:31:42 AM PDT

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    •  A fine rant it is! (1+ / 0-)

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      bushondrugs

      Tipped and rec'd

      I had one of those Reps, but last Nov we got rid of her, old Annie Northup, now I have John Yarmuth--last week he had old Condi Rice all wrinkled and worried during a oversight hearing--I loved it!

      I got to tell him so today IN PERSON while i was shaking his hand!

      I met saw him today at a rally for a New Democratic Governor come next Tues! I been working hard for that as well!

      Next year we are going to 'Ditch Mitch" McConnell

      Just get ready to jump on the bandwagon as it comes by, nenver know where it's going to take us--ya know?

      Heck in January I didn't know how but i was going to work to get old Mitch out in 2008--then more people came out with the same thought so I've teamed up with them!

      By gosh I suppose this is MY rant for the day as well--LOL!!!

      "People should not vote for any Republican, because they're dangerous, dishonest and self-serving"

      by Wary on Sat Nov 03, 2007 at 12:30:56 PM PDT

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  •  Do any of them? (2+ / 0-)

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    peace voter, bushondrugs

    Seriously, I can't think of more than a handful that can be counted on to regularly defend the interests of their actual constituents and the principles embodied in the constitution over the demands of the military-industrial complex, the global corporateer$ and a narrow spectrum of wildly, disproportionately influential special interest lobbies.

    A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves. ~Edward R. Murrow

    by ActivistGuy on Sat Nov 03, 2007 at 10:34:54 AM PDT

  •  Interesting... (1+ / 0-)

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    bushondrugs

    the responses I get from my Republican Rep. are generally limited to calling me a communist and thanking me for writing.

    Then again, Mica's probably not smart enough to write such a long letter...

    The penalty that good men pay for not being interested in politics is to be governed by men worse than themselves. - Plato

    by robroser on Sat Nov 03, 2007 at 10:39:50 AM PDT

  •  Impeach a President for a Love Affair (4+ / 0-)

    But everything else is off the table?

    "Truck Stop Women," a New Film By Phil Gramm and John McCain.

    by bink on Sat Nov 03, 2007 at 11:04:13 AM PDT

    •  Yeah,,, talk about double standards! (1+ / 0-)

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      pseudopod

      Bill Clinton was guilty of pre-emptive invasion of an intern, with no occupation forces.

      Initial reports of Monica stashing WMD are now known to have been fabricated, as are the stories of her attempts to obtain yellow cake.

      Impeachment is a duty, not an option that can be taken off the table.

      by bushondrugs on Sat Nov 03, 2007 at 12:17:33 PM PDT

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  •  My Representative does not represent me either (2+ / 0-)

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    peace voter, bushondrugs

    and I'm pretty pissed about it, because she's a Democrat.

  •  It could be worse... (1+ / 0-)

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    bushondrugs

    I am "represented" by the Hon. Kay Bailey Hutchinson, the Hon. John Cornyn and the Distinguished Kevin Brady...I'm starting to feel guilty about the electricity I waste in emailing them.

  •  My rep is Doc Hasting (1+ / 0-)

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    bushondrugs

    Remember the contract with America and the term limits.......12+ years later still around.

    "The Conservatives definition of torture: Anything that provides death or false information from its captive." Me 2007

    by army193 on Sat Nov 03, 2007 at 12:54:47 PM PDT

  •  Heh, all I have to say is. (1+ / 0-)

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    bushondrugs

    My Rep. is Randy Kuhl.

  •  Support Dr. Bill Durston (0+ / 0-)

    As a fellow resident of the 3rd Congressional District, I share your frustration with Mr. Lungren. His letters are always so condescending. But that's just the way he is. Have you ever gone to one of his town hall meetings? That is why I am supporting Dr. Bill Durston in his second attempt to unseat Lungren.

    Find out more about Dr. Durston at his Web site, and if you want to help him out please drop him a few bucks.

    •  Thanks for the advice!! (0+ / 0-)

      I was out of town this week and just got back to see your message.  I will check out Dr. Durston's website this weekend.

      I have not gone to one of Mr. Lungren's town meetings because the announcements have always struck me as less of a listening session and more of a religious revival, where I would be told what to believe.  Not appealing.

      Impeachment is a duty, not an option that can be taken off the table.

      by bushondrugs on Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 11:27:43 PM PDT

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  •  1679 A.D. (1+ / 0-)

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    bushondrugs

    It goes back much farther than that, but English Law codified Habeas Corpus in 1679. And it is at the core of common law throughout civilization for ages. But Lungren feels it's ok to limit and modify it. Nice. Arrogant is too kind a word for these people. Good post!

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