Smurf this CNN poll

CNN is running a poll asking if illegal immigrants should be given driver's licences here. Currently the nos stand at 90%.

This is so idiotic, and obviously meant to slam Hillary.  If one of these Lou Dobbs acolytes were in a wreck with an illegal alien who didn't have insurance because he didn't have a driver's license, he would scream bloody murder.  

•  Republicans have no solutions

  so they do their best to shoot down anyone who does.

  by MadRuth on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 04:31:13 AM PDT

•  Yes the repubs have a solution.

  It is called the North American Union and the Trans Texas Highway. Repubs. are pretending that they will do something about illeagals and are using it as an election issue. Its all a game with them. And to anyone out there who tried to tell me Lou Dobbs was a bigot, and I defended him, I am sorry. He is a bigot and a right winger in disquise.

  by Owllwoman on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 04:41:58 AM PDT

•  I am a Lou Dobbs acolyte

  And I vote no.  An illegal should not, IMHO, have access to anything except life-saving emergency medicine.  And then, after the emergency is over, they should be sent to a hospital in the country they are legal in.  I don't care about their need to move around.  They shouldn't be moving around here, at all.    

  by rainmanjr on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 04:45:41 AM PDT

  •  I used to be until I saw him slam

    every Dems. running. The man is slick, but he is not on our side. Watch how often he has repubs. on  and watch how few Dems. are on the show.

    by Owllwoman on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 04:52:39 AM PDT

    •  I'll take your word on this.

      I've only watched him a few times.  While I agreed with his immigration, and middle class fight, issues those were all he talked about.  I get the point, Lou.  Pick another subject.
      Now I've been writing a book for the last 10 months and haven't watched t.v. almost at all.  I find I don't miss it, much, either.  So I'm sure I wont be seeing Lou for a long time.  Therefore, I'll take your word on who's side he's on.

      by rainmanjr on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 05:58:13 PM PDT

  •  Yup

    ..you are a Lou Dobbs acolyte. The complete lack of anything resembling a shred of humanity confirms it.

    I would wish you ill in another country where you would get no treatment but that would be silly as I suspect you don't own a passport and have never set foot outside of the good ol' US of A.

    by stevej on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 04:55:07 AM PDT

    •  You are wrong.

      I lived in Germany for 2 years.  Off-base in a private house (2 apt's upstairs).  If I had been in Germany illegally I would not expect them to treat me as a citizen.  In fact, Germany would not have.  

      by rainmanjr on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 06:00:19 PM PDT

  •  Lou Dobbs is a Demogogue

    His show has morphed into hate-monger central. If you're being propagandized into the Lou Cult of Xenophobia, get help. Get into a 12-step program for members of the CULT OF LOU. You need de-programming desperately.

    by SignalSuzie on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 05:07:28 AM PDT

  •  Not practical.....and rather un-kind.n/t

    by jnhobbs on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 05:25:31 AM PDT

•  Someone wrote a letter to the editor

  in my local newspaper with the question, "what makes anyone think that an illegal immigrant will buy car insurance?"

  I live in New York, and I have to agree that many probably will not because they can't afford to, at least not here in New York.

  by nupstateny on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 04:48:44 AM PDT

  •  In Mi. you have to show proof of

    Insurance to even get a licence or Plates.

    by Owllwoman on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 04:50:46 AM PDT

    •  You mean you have to own a car

      to get a license in Michigan?

      In New York, in order to register a car you must show proof of either financial security or insurance, and you must have a valid driver's license.

      by nupstateny on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 05:14:22 AM PDT

•  INS shouldn't dump its responsibilities

  on the DMV. Drivers should be licensed.

  I agree with Matt Iglesias:

  Should Illegal Immigrants Get Driver's Licenses?

  by bumblebums on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 05:07:55 AM PDT

•  What part of ILLEGAL don't you understand?

  Move to SoCal for a few years, and see the illegals doing the jobs that "nobody wants". You know, like honey wagon driver, carpet layer, carpenter, welder, cook, factory worker, etc,etc,etc.

  by keefer55 on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 05:45:52 AM PDT

  •  There are arguments against immigration that

    don't require one to fall back on conservative rhetoric.

    by tigercourse on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 05:55:15 AM PDT

  •  I don't think of them as illegal immigrants

    I think of them as Mexican Refugees, escaping their barren economy and coming to America so their kids can have a better life.

    Refugees.

    by Potus2020 on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 06:10:44 AM PDT

  •  What An Original Thinker!!!!! n/t

    by serrano on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 06:26:11 AM PDT

•  Unfortunately there are 12 million of them.

  In the financial world that is described as material. This is what the Republicans and anti immigrants don't get. It a situation summed up by the old line that if you owe the bank a million dollars you have a problem, if you owe the bank 200 million dollars the bank has a problem. It's a big and real problem that has to be addressed and building the great wall of Tancredo on the southern border aint the answer.  

  by otto vb vs on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 06:00:54 AM PDT

  •  I remember Ronald Reagan said tear down that wall

    Unfortunately, it wasn't about the wall that divided the US from her friendly neighbor to the south, Mexico.

    by Casey on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 06:46:44 AM PDT

•  Its a non-scientific poll, so it's a moot point.

  Unless, you're concerned that people will take this poll for being valid and representative of the population of the US.

  If that's the case, then we're really screwed, if we, the people of this country, can't see how this poll really amounts to nothing except it being another invalid talking point for the bloviating talking heads.

  by Casey on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 06:50:11 AM PDT

•  Voted NO

  I also voted No.  Sorry to the poster.  Seriously, did you think that asking us to smurf this meant we'd all say YES?  This is not an easy issue nor one that is necessarily liberal/conservative or Dem/Rep.  If you sent a link to a "Is waterboarding torture?" poll then sure I think almost all kossacks would vote NO.  This sort of makes me curious to see how this Illegal license Q would go if posted on the dailykos frontpage.  I would guess the YES would get 60-70%,

  Also, if it's meant to slam Hillary then that makes me like it even more.  Sorry, but this is political primary season and things are in full swing now.  It's about time the networks stopped drooling over the "inevitable" Hillary-Rudy matchup or whatever.  I wish Edwards and Obama were covered for their substance a lot more.  This license Q actually does have to do w/ a real issue though - one that is important to a lot of people.  Maybe not just specifically for the Q of licenses, which could be argued to be a safety issue (but how much safety improvement vs. negative consequences of illegals gaining more access to more things is the important Q), but for the related implications about how many benefits/privileges we will continue to allow when it seems like we're not focusing enough on cracking down on employers, borders, and deportations.

  by nj frank on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 07:15:25 AM PDT