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the food was lousy and the portions were too small

Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 08:22:45 AM PDT

A friend of mine told me about a conversation he overheard between two coworkers about a restaurant one of them had visited, the one said to the other, "the food was lousy and the portions were too small."

Think about that for a second. (taps foot... but not like Larry Craig)

It seems to me that the comment that she made may be applicable to another conundrum that's been bugging me lately.

"The Democrats in Congress are spineless, useless, strategically challenged, bought off by corporations, etc. - and there aren't enough of them."

Like a lot of folks, I've been scratching my head over this one. Logically, it makes little sense to reward bad behavior - and it's fair to say that we should have seen this coming. David Sirota nailed it before the 2006 election. He talks about Steny Hoyer bragging about his own "K Street Project," and how in anticipation of electoral success Democrats were positioning themselves to take in corporate cash and supporting corporate-friendly policies:

At the same time that leading Democrats have been publicly berating the GOP for corruption, they have been privately ramping up their own corporate fund-raising operations, and large numbers of Democratic lawmakers have provided the critical votes to pass some of big business’s most sought-after prizes. The energy bill, the bankruptcy bill, the Central American Free Trade Agreement and the class-action "reform" bill—all of these were written by the industries they benefit, and all required the support of key Democratic legislators in order to pass.

A "BUSINESS AS USUAL" STRATEGY—Democrats have made strides in addressing the criticism that their style, tone and language make them appear to look down on voters. But now, with polls showing Republican approval ratings plummeting, some in Washington’s Democratic circles seem to be looking at the last year and a half and gleaning a lesson that most directly insults voters: that Democrats can say one thing, do another, and still win elections. That might explain why Democratic Party politicians and insiders are more openly talking out of both sides of their mouths.

There's a lot more good food for thought in Sirota's article - there's a discussion of how the entrenched media feel about the netroots/people. Sirota pointed to a David Brooks article Party no. 3, that I think is worth looking at in greater detail than Sirota did to demonstrate the establishment's disdain for people like us:

There are two major parties on the ballot, but there are three major parties in America. There is the Democratic Party, the Republican Party and the McCain-Lieberman Party.

All were on display Tuesday night...

And the McCain-Lieberman Party was represented by Joe Lieberman himself, giving a concession speech that explained why polarized primary voters shouldn’t be allowed to define the choices in American politics.

Get that? There's a problem with the primary system, it gives people like us too much power, the corporate candidates are vulnerable during primaries to, well, um, the people.

Brooks finishes off by explaining that we, while well intentioned initially are extremists:

Hyper-partisans may have started with subtle beliefs, but their beliefs led them to partisanship and their partisanship led to malice and malice made them extremist, and pretty soon they were no longer the same people.

Bloggers = extremists! Check out the article, later he calls us jihadists. Brooks uses pretty bold language for a guy who tries to appear to be the voice of calmness and reason.

One more thing from the Sirota article about the DLC struck me. Sirota describes a meeting of the DLC, one of their so called "national conversations," the July prior to the 2006 elections:

Yet the media coverage of its most recent such "conversation," in Denver this past July, tells the real story. The New York Sun noted that the meeting focused on pondering "how to counter the netroots"—i.e., how to counter the millions of grassroots Democratic Party voters who use the Internet to advocate for a more democratic political system. Perhaps most telling of all was the Rocky Mountain News’s note that the DLC’s supposed "national conversation" at the Hyatt Regency Hotel was, in fact, "not open to the public."

So what we've got here after "our" big win in 2006, is a Democratic party awash in corporate cash, giving our issues lip service while giving corporate donors another kind of service (nice kneepads, Steny!). The things that we elected them to do remain undone and the excuses are flying like loose trash in a hurricane. We've also got a corporate media that wants us to believe that we voters can't be trusted to decide whom to represent us.

The things that stand out for me though, are: 1) We have found a way to exploit their vulnerability in primaries. That seems to be the time that we can really make a difference. 2) Where we have yet to really make a dent is in finding a way to counter or coopt the omnipresent voice of the corporate media in the public mind. I fear that until we find a way to do that more effectively, our gains will be severely limited.

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  •  A good idea is term limits. (4+ / 0-)

    It will never happen, but it sure as hell is a good idea.

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    by panicbean on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 08:36:26 AM PDT

  •  Yeppers. (6+ / 0-)

    "The Democrats in Congress are spineless, useless, strategically challenged, bought off by corporations, etc. - and there aren't enough of them."

    It's cognitive dissonance in its purest form.  People apparently seem to think that the only thing preventing Democrats from having, you know, moral, ethical and political integrity is a lack of a majority.

    Or, their idea is, elect more of them and then make them all reform.  Because of course a party that's firmly in the majority is going to listen to people telling them to change how they operate.  Hahahaha, I just made a funny.

    Choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil. -- teacherken

    by Mehitabel9 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 08:38:05 AM PDT

    •  well, the good thing about having a.... (3+ / 0-)

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      stronger majority is that you can then throw the worst of them to the curb. right now, there are dems who will hold on to their seats only because the majority is so slim. people will vote for anyone with a D after their names. however, if the numbers were better, it would be okay to challenge some of the incumbents with more progressive candidates. if you lose a couple of seats, then the majority is still in place.  a bigger majority will mean more choices.

      I didn't get Jack from Abramoff...I'm not a Republican!

      by nonnie9999 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 08:43:55 AM PDT

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      •  Yeah, in theory, we can (6+ / 0-)

        throw the worst of them to the curb.

        In reality -- I don't vote in Nancy Pelosi's district so I can't throw her to the curb.  Same goes for everyone in Congress except Patty Murray, Maria Cantwell and Jay Inslee (all of whom, btw, I'd like to see primaried out).

        As long as Nancy's constituents love her, and apparently they do love her, she's not going anywhere.

        I dunno what to do about that.

        Choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil. -- teacherken

        by Mehitabel9 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 08:50:04 AM PDT

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        •  there is no way to fix everything.... (1+ / 0-)

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          all at once. it is still up to individual districts to pick their reps. we might not like them, but we have to live with them.  
          i live in floriduhhhh.  we have to live with bill nelson, because he is safe.  if we had a bigger majority in the senate, then maybe people would feel more comfortable backing a better candidate, rather than sticking with the safe choice.  
          maybe we can start making some demands on who we do have.  what if we tell our reps that we will not support them if they intend to vote for pelosi to be speaker again?  if we were not afraid of losing a few seats, then we have leverage.  as it is now, we can't be with the ones we love, we have to love the ones we're with.

          I didn't get Jack from Abramoff...I'm not a Republican!

          by nonnie9999 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:23:22 AM PDT

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      •  the only problem with that is seniority (2+ / 0-)

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        ... and the advantages of incumbency.

        i think that your general point is right on, but sometimes it seems like the least progressive democrats seem to float to the top at least in part due to seniority.

        i think in general, if we want to get service after the sale, we are going to have to get much more involved in things like the election of leaders.

        just a thought...

        yoo broke the law, now the law breaks you

        by joe shikspack on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 08:50:09 AM PDT

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        •  incumbency... (1+ / 0-)

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          is not a guarantee. look at some of the senate seats we picked up last time around.  incumbency means name recognition and lots of money.  however, if we had a cushion, where we didn't have to be afraid of losing the majority, people might be willing to take a chance with someone new.  

          I didn't get Jack from Abramoff...I'm not a Republican!

          by nonnie9999 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:27:13 AM PDT

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          •  good thoughts (1+ / 0-)

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            but i wonder, at the local level how many strategic voters are thinking about delivering the larger party a victory and how many are thinking about the strategic value of having a senior member of congress representing them and bringing home the bacon?

            my bet is on the latter and that's why ditching the seniority system is a good idea, and perhaps better than invoking term limits which deny some voters the right to vote for the candidate that they want.

            yoo broke the law, now the law breaks you

            by joe shikspack on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:30:56 AM PDT

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            •  i think the best thing that could happen.... (1+ / 0-)

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              is all the money being taken out of the equation and allowing everyone to start out on a level playing field.  of course, incumbency makes it somewhat unlevel, but i think all candidates should be allowed X amount of dollars.  no more, no less. they get equal airtime.  this should be part of the test as to who are the best candidates.  who can make the most of their money and their time?  isn't that what we really want in our representatives? fiscal responsibility and cutting out the bullshit?
              i doubt it will ever happen, as the 2 big parties are quite happy with the way things are now, as is the media who makes shitloads of money from the campaigns. we can still dream though, can't we?

              I didn't get Jack from Abramoff...I'm not a Republican!

              by nonnie9999 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:56:39 AM PDT

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              •  i was dreaming along the same lines (1+ / 0-)

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                further down the thread...

                three main things that need to be done:

                1. public funding of elections
                1. removal of ballot obstacles to third party candidates
                1. removal of obstacles to getting fair access to public debates to third parties and candidates with significant followings but less than top tier polling

                then somebody reminded me about gerrymandering, which is also an important thing to work out.

                i'm thinking that we're on the same page. B)

                yoo broke the law, now the law breaks you

                by joe shikspack on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 11:13:31 AM PDT

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                •  sometimes i think.... (1+ / 0-)

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                  we would be better off if we just put every citizen's name in a big box, pulled out one name for each seat in the house and senate, and did away with the election. i am thinking that it couldn't be much worse that it is now.

                  I didn't get Jack from Abramoff...I'm not a Republican!

                  by nonnie9999 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 11:24:08 AM PDT

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  •  As to item 2 in your last paragraph (10+ / 0-)

    But first, let me say, great title & development, and a very necessary diary. We need to recognize the political realities in this nation.

    Now, for your item 2) dent in corporate media.
    This is the key to our current political arrangements. The Netroots has been miserable in dealing with media, imagining that catching them in lies/misrepresentations is ultimately useful; that the internet will in some wonderful future equal the mass-reach media; that we need to build a liberal media to counter the Corporate media.

    What we really need to do is an unrelenting, multi-pronged effort to end the monopoly control over content. We should recognize that ALL political factions in the US revile corporate media as a first step (building alliances) and then proceed to license challenges, eminent domain efforts, boycott of cable services, force the media to educate the public about how demagoguery works, etc.

    As my signature says:

    Until we break the corporate virtual monopoly on what we hear and see, we keep losing, don't matter what we do.

    by Jim P on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 08:49:45 AM PDT

    •  i couldn't agree more (5+ / 0-)

      i think that the "youtube revolution" might be a good way for us to sink the corporate media content wise, even though they may still wind up owning the carrier. it's up to us to create the content and encourage people to tune out the teevee crap and tune in to our good stuff.

      yoo broke the law, now the law breaks you

      by joe shikspack on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 08:53:25 AM PDT

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      •  I'm thinking more fundamental. (2+ / 0-)

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        Again, not create an alternate: seize the mass-reach media. The fault with the "build an alternate" is that we continue to cede the most powerful and effective communications entity in the history of the planet to the enemies of the people.

        This is the road to defeat. Our focus has to be on the monopoly over content of mass-reach media. Things like I listed above, and additionally create "one owner, one outlet, one market" rules, etc etc. Our own Mike Stark's guerilla intrusions into content is another good example.

        Can't tell you how many "controversial" things I've stumbled across on youtube once, that were then banned or disappeared the next time I went to look. Even if a million people over a month found a youtube that meant something, all the mass-reach media can feed 280 million Americans a "Dean-scream" in the next ten minutes if they want to. That's what we have to end.

        Not to say we can't use youtube as one tool to organize the media breakup...

        Until we break the corporate virtual monopoly on what we hear and see, we keep losing, don't matter what we do.

        by Jim P on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:09:16 AM PDT

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  •  The Venezuelan Option (1+ / 0-)

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    There was a time, not so long ago actually, when Venezuelan politics was dominated by two major parties who decided it was their patriotic duty to take turns looting the treasury. Never mind the vast impoverished majority, they were just animals who didn't live in the better neighborhoods.

    Well, things changed; and try as it might, the mighty US has so far been unable to unchange things.
    The seditious media, the treasonous behavior of its elites, all wash off the backs of the People, who unlike their American counterparts know when they're being lied to. Democracy still thrives in a way we in this country should admire. It gives me hope.

  •  Thank you for this. (2+ / 0-)

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    The "reasonable" "centrists" never explain WHY anyone, particularly an independent, looking at the Democrats in Congress today would want to elect more of them.

    The above comment is probably disrespectful of John McCain's military service somehow.

    by RickMassimo on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:04:39 AM PDT

    •  it's the unexamined and unchallenged assumption (2+ / 0-)

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      ...that all Democrats are good. Progressives need to push Democrats a lot harder and consider using some harsher tactics with them.

      yoo broke the law, now the law breaks you

      by joe shikspack on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:14:29 AM PDT

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      •  I'm not sure who holds this assumption (1+ / 0-)

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        I agree that a lot of people hold the assumption that Democrats are better than Republicans, but I don't know many who think they're all good.  

        That said, we do need more Democrats, but that's not enough.

        In one of our nearby supermarkets they have these bags what you can buy that get donated to local food pantries.  I put a few of these in my cart, thinking that it would be good to donate, without really thinking beyond that.  Then I looked at the ingredients-- a LOT of really crappy unhealthy food in there.

        So yes, it's better than NO food, but it's not a LOT better than no food.

        So next time I buy food for local food pantries, I'm going to make sure it's good food AND healthy food.  It may be more expensive, but it's better than just any food.

        I think of Democrats in a similar way.  It's better to have more Democrats than Republicans but, in itself, it's not a LOT better.

        Or, to go with your metaphor, we need bigger portions of BETTER food.  We need more Democrats who will say to their own leadership "I'm not voting for your capitulation bill, and if you try to get it to the floor as is, you're not going to remain speaker of the house much longer."

        Birding in New England: advocacy for birds and birders.

        by juliewolf on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:59:58 AM PDT

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        •  its an assumption based on a circular argument... (1+ / 0-)

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          I agree that a lot of people hold the assumption that Democrats are better than Republicans, but I don't know many who think they're all good.

          when you say that any democrat is better than any republican, you include democrats that are really not much different than republicans in their voting patterns and issues. (i'm thinking about people like, say, zell miller or joe lieberman as well as some folks like dianne feinstein and others who let us down on extremely important issues, even though they vote with us on a lot of other matters.) the only real difference is the label and whether they respond to party discipline on key votes - which a lot of dems don't.

          i completely agree that we need lots of better quality (progressive) democrats. i wonder about how many of them it would take to realize a turnabout in the general non-progressive trend in congress, though. i'm hoping that it isn't a 50 year slog to get there.

          yoo broke the law, now the law breaks you

          by joe shikspack on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:17:27 AM PDT

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          •  *nods* (1+ / 0-)

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            for me, it's that having Democrats as a majority party is important, but they need to be pushed to act like a majority instead of just capitulating to the minority party all the time, and that they need to actually behave like Democrats.  I think, even with this bunch, if there were a strong progressive leader we'd be in much better shape, but with Pelosi, Reid and Hoyer in charge, we're screwed.

            Birding in New England: advocacy for birds and birders.

            by juliewolf on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:25:24 AM PDT

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  •  The Catskills... (3+ / 0-)

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    Your title is a play on a joke about the resorts up in the Catskills.

    "So, Irving?  How was Kutsher's this weekend?"

    "Well, the food wasn't very good....but the portions were large!"

    Borscht Belt humor.

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    "Dissent is the Highest form of Patriotism." Tommy J.

    by Dissentinator on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:16:33 AM PDT

  •  If you let the people... (4+ / 0-)

    select their representatives, after a while, they'll expect the government to work for them, too!

    Our greatest enemy isn't terrorists from the Middle East, it's the lobbyists from K street who have taken over the government in so many insidious ways that we rarely hear about. If they can manage to get hold of the election process, they can have their cake and eat it too. Our right to vote is the only thread we hold and they are doing their best to Snip it!

    Thanks for informing us!

    "What a peaceful world it would be if Barbara had aborted!"

    by DevonTexas on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:26:59 AM PDT

  •  A few things (1+ / 0-)

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    Our system of government is about 100 years out of date. We had enough crises and diversions from WW I through the depression, WW II, the cold war and economic superiority in the 50's and 60's that we were able to view the problems as small chronic ones as opposed to acute, but that has shifted.

    One thing to do is change our government so small parties can be viable. That would, for example allow people to vote for the Green Party without having it be a wasted vote. Also, states have too much power. Unfortunately, it take the states to change the system, so that is unlikely to happen. And corporate interests need to balanced with those of the people, the environment and a real foreign policy.

    Noisy people can be a good thing, but not if the politicians are only listening to one noisy group.

    Do Pavlov's dogs chase Schroedinger's cat?

    by corwin on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:47:07 AM PDT

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      One thing to do is change our government so small parties can be viable.

      we don't need to change the government for that, we need to change the election system. there are three main things that need to be done:

      1. public funding of elections
      1. removal of ballot obstacles to third party candidates
      1. removal of obstacles to getting fair access to public debates to third parties and candidates with significant followings but less than top tier polling

      correcting those three issues would go a long way towards getting us on the right track.

      yoo broke the law, now the law breaks you

      by joe shikspack on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:56:57 AM PDT

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      •  good point! (1+ / 0-)

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        The founders never considered the US a two-party system. That has evolved mostly by, and to protect, the two major political parties.

        Europe has always had several parties forming a coalition to gain control. That's what we need. It forces discussion and compromise, leading to laws that are more fair and comprehensive than those we've seen in the past few decades.

        The problem is that the two parties fought the good fight at state and local level to ingrain themselves and now it'll be a legislative battle to wrestle their cold, dead hands from gripping that control. It must be done at a state and local level or at a federal level and both of those are very difficult battles, indeed!

        "What a peaceful world it would be if Barbara had aborted!"

        by DevonTexas on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:06:29 AM PDT

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      •  Gerrymandering (1+ / 0-)

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        You left out eliminating gerrymandering for safe seats.  Safe seats mean the incumbent can do whatever he wants without regard for his voters.

        •  our three weapons are... (0+ / 0-)

          good point, gerrymandering is a thorny problem too and often overlooked. see, i just did it there. B)

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          Our two weapons are fear and surprise... and ruthless efficiency....
          Our three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...
          and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope....
          Our four... no...
          Amongst our weapons... Amongst our weaponry...
          are such elements as fear, surprise...
          I'll come in again.

          yoo broke the law, now the law breaks you

          by joe shikspack on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:24:55 AM PDT

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  •  You assume "Democrats" are one person (0+ / 0-)

    The addition of a larger majority will make a big difference. As things stand, a small conservative or anti-progressive faction can prevent ANY action, especially with the absence of any moderate Republicans.

    Eliminate that small faction, and progressive power increase dramatically.

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    by BrentHartinger on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:57:29 AM PDT

    •  it's a shorthand... (1+ / 0-)

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      there are some great democrats in office, but they are hamstrung by the leadership, the democratic commentariat/consultant class and the inertia created by the dead weight of so many of their far less progressive peers.

      so when i use the term democrats, it is a kind of shorthand for the collective effect of the democrats as a group and of their leadership.

      i am pondering the "larger majority" argument that nonnie9999 made so ably above and it's a good argument, but i wonder how large a majority would be necessary to overcome the dilution created by the unprogressive democrats.

      yoo broke the law, now the law breaks you

      by joe shikspack on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:04:52 AM PDT

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