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In the End, It Is All About Bill Clinton – Or Is It?

Wed Dec 19, 2007 at 08:01:29 AM PDT

In the closing weeks before the first caucus and primary of the 2008 season, national frontrunner Hillary Clinton has decided it is time to play that ace up her sleeve - #42.  It is the card that I imagine she was hesitant to play, but with the polls tightening particularly in the key early states of Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina, it was a card she had to play.  Bill Clinton has been on the stump quite a bit lately in the 3 early states trying out new themes to promote Hillary’s candidacy – first it was change (Hillary as the change agent), now its likeability (Hillary as heartwarming).  But, at the end of the day, seeing Bill Clinton out there pushing the message makes one point clear.... no matter how hard she tries, her campaign is still all about #42.  Sort of.  

Make no mistake... this is a "concern" diary.  I fully expect Hillary supporters to thank me for my "concern" and move on.  But this is not a what will Republicans say concern diary.  This is my concern and one that we, as Democrats should debate.  Do we want this campaign to be a debate over Bill Clinton and his "third way" approach to governing or do we want to move beyond that debate to a new era of Democratic politics.  I would argue that maybe we never truly finished that debate and need to do that right now in this campaign before we can move on to a new era.  It seems like many of us here are ready to move on, but the Democratic Party that governs us is not.  Hillary Clinton’s campaign is a return a to "third way" politics.  In the end, it is the chance for Bill Clinton to show that his "third way" was, and is, right.  I think he sees it that way, and with Hillary bringing him back on stage so prominently, I don’t think she can fight it anymore.

An interesting article coming up in this Sunday’s Times Magazine by Matt Bai discusses Bill Clinton and his legacy and the role of his legacy in Hillary’s campaign.  A very telling quote from Bill gives you insight, accidental or not, into this campaign as he sees it:

Near the end of his speech in Gorham, he went off on an engaging tangent, as he sometimes does, about the trees he saw from his car window that morning, and how at one time New Hampshire was almost devoid of trees, and how Teddy Roosevelt led a national effort to replenish the forests. "But Theodore Roosevelt proposed a lot of ideas that fell flat on their face until Franklin Roosevelt passed them," Clinton went on. "The important thing for us to do is to fight for the right thing and keep fighting for it until we finally get it done." I had heard Clinton compare himself with T.R. before, but this was the first time I heard him do so publicly, and it struck me as an aside that would have made his wife’s advisers wince, if they noticed it. He seemed to be suggesting that Hillary’s job as president would be to cement his own unfinished legacy — provided, of course, that his legacy, or at least a widely held perception of it, didn’t end up derailing her first.

Now, I don’t think Hillary believes this.  She is a strong, smart woman and I am sure is more interested in creating her own legacy than cementing her husband’s.  But the two legacies would be hard to untangle.  They have been a political team for more than 3 decades now.  There has been plenty of discussion here already on some areas where she may be more progressive than her husband and then some ways where she may be decidedly less so, in particular with regard to foreign policy and the use of military force (which is a big one, make no mistake – it drives a lot of the true concern that many have about her).  But her campaign would be a continuation of the "third way".  It would be make more permanent that transition in the Democratic Party.

This article delves into the history and thinking behind the "third way" as best it can in nine pages.  It was a strategy to win elections, but, supporters of Bill believe it was more than that.  It was a strategy to effectively govern.  As Bai put it, in attempting to paraphrase Bill, the argument was that....

... inside the Democratic Party that the liberal orthodoxies of the New Deal and the Great Society, as well as the culture of the antiwar and civil rights movements, had become excessive and inflexible. Not only were Democratic attitudes toward government electorally problematic, Clinton argued; they were just plain wrong for the time.

I was just barely becoming politically aware in 1992 and am certainly no political historian to do this debate justice.  Bai thinks that Clinton truly believed he was re-focusing the Democratic party away from a party that concerned itself with the poor to a party that concerned itself more with the issues that affected the middle class.  Interestingly, I think John Edwards is doing the best job at this point in making the case that issues that affect the poor do affect the middle class – or at least that there are solutions that are good for both the middle and lower class.  However, whether a sound governing strategy or not, it sure seemed to many of us that the end result was giving in to Republicans too often and moving the entire Democratic Party to the right.  Bill might argue that it was a necessary shift but that the end result can not be judged yet because it is not completed.  Enter Hillary.  

That to me is the key point here.  Hillary’s campaign is not a referendum on Bill Clinton the person or his Presidency.  It is a referendum on the "third way".  Bill Clinton was and remains an extraordinarily popular person.  I was thrilled to attend a Clinton speech in Philadelphia a couple years ago and shake his hand.  He is a fascinating speaker and can exaplain the most complex issues in simple terms without dumbing it down.  I think most of us here, though not fans of the "third way", would move mountains for the opportunity to have a beer with him.  This is a point that I think the Hillary campaign doesn’t get.  Again from Bai’s article:

When I suggested to (Clinton chief strategist, Mark) Penn, back in 2005, that there might be a strong backlash emerging against the notion of Clintonism, he waved me away. "Strong backlash?" Penn scoffed, reminding me that the former president had a 70 percent approval rating in the country as a whole. "In this environment, that is a notion I would have to laugh at."  

However, Barack Obama’s campaign does seem to get it.  They would tell you, as was discussed in the article and is evident in listening carefully to Barack’s speeches, that they are not campaigning against the Bill Clinton presidency.  They are campaigning against the Bill Clinton politics – the "third way".  And I believe that many Democrats are politically sophisticated enough to understand that, even if they can’t quite find the words to explain it.  The Mark Penn strategy of putting Hillary on stage, but always gently reminding folks – you were a lot better 8 years ago, right? has worked to some extent, but has failed to slam the door shut on this race.  And now we are two weeks away from the Iowa caucus and things are tight.  Very tight.  And so now, Hillary is forced to play that #42 card.  This is about Bill Clinton in the end.  But, really.... It's not.  And that is why January 3rd will be so interesting.

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  •  Make no mistake (5+ / 0-)

    I will vote for Hillary Clinton if she is our nominee and focus on the positives that will come out of her Presidency.  But she is not the nominee yet and we all have a choice about our Party.  I don't think this is a hit diary at all and I believe the argument I've raised is a legitamate topic of debate.  I hope the comments don't get too nasty - but maybe just a little nasty.  This is serious stuff and I'm glad to find so many people here care so passionately.

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    by TheC on Wed Dec 19, 2007 at 08:01:31 AM PDT

    •  Hubby Bill needs to get perspective... (2+ / 0-)

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      TheC, lurks a lot

      Bill already had his turn in the spotlight.

      So, why can't he be a better supporting husband and align himself better with Hillary's message?

      Bill's explicit name-dropping about himself and Bush senior was in very poor taste!  How rude was it to suggest that daddy Bush would go around the world to undo sonny Bush's mistakes!  (Even such an event were to take place, one must never speak about it in such crass terms!)

      I don't mind Hubby Bill helping with Hillary's campaign, but I do mind when he steps out of line and tries to maximize his own limelight.

      If Hillary is elected President, I don't want her to have to deal with Hubby Bill as a distraction.  I hope that Hubby Bill has found a way to keep himself in check, for Hillary's sake.

      Impeachment is a duty, not an option that can be taken off the table.

      by bushondrugs on Wed Dec 19, 2007 at 08:22:35 AM PDT

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      •  That has got to be hard for him to do (2+ / 0-)

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        I think that is part of the risk with him on the stump.  This must be awfully hard for him to be back on the campaign trail but not the center of attention.  It would be for anyone, but especially for him as he loved it so much and was so good at it.

        The question is, do his appearances remind people more of the popular President and person, or the nagging feeling that something wasn't quite right about what happened to the Democratic Party during that time?  I know that is the conflict I feel.

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        by TheC on Wed Dec 19, 2007 at 08:29:38 AM PDT

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  •  The fact is (3+ / 0-)

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    Bill Clinton remains the most popular and beloved Democrat in the country.  I'm really glad he is out there campaigning for Hillary. :-)

    "I'm for Hillary because I believe that the United States right now is in a world of crap." - spoken by a Nevada voter

    by SaneSoutherner on Wed Dec 19, 2007 at 08:20:37 AM PDT

    •  Me too (0+ / 0-)

      Charlie Rose and "Me and Papa Bush" were unqualified triumphs for the campaign. Charlie talking about campaign aides screaming in his ear to cut the interview short because Bill was straying off message was fantastic, and more campaign aides having to direct press away from Bill to Hillary is ace as well.

      There's nothing more valuable to a campaign than a wild card who refuses to stay on message, hogs the spotlight, and thinks his shit don't stink.

    •  And that is the upside... (0+ / 0-)

      But with it come the risks... not that people will think badly about Bill, but they'll question whether they really liked his politics after all.

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      by TheC on Wed Dec 19, 2007 at 08:32:35 AM PDT

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      •  I hope they do. (1+ / 0-)

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        Because most of the country and most of the Democratic party DID.  They thought his approach, while  not perfect, was extremely effective for the country.

        Do you know that outside of a blog like DKos, I have never once heard the word "triangulate" come out of a single voter's mouth? Not once.  

        "I'm for Hillary because I believe that the United States right now is in a world of crap." - spoken by a Nevada voter

        by SaneSoutherner on Wed Dec 19, 2007 at 08:38:29 AM PDT

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        •  I'm not sure what your point was (1+ / 0-)

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          I did not use the term "triangulate" once in my diary.  In fact, by bringing that up, it leads me to believe you missed my main point.  To me, the term "triangulate" is used derrisively to suggest that Clinton is trying to have it both ways.  I don't think that was the point of the "third way" approach at all.  I think it truly was a shift to the right in Democratic principles and policies.  That is what concerns me so much.  That is why, though it is ridiculous to dislike Clinton and call him Republican-lite, it is not ridiculous to question whether you agree with his political philosophy and want a different direction for the Democratic Party.  And that is where I find myself.

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          by TheC on Wed Dec 19, 2007 at 09:40:19 AM PDT

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  •  Nice job. (6+ / 0-)

    80% of my problems with Hillary are indded rooted in Bill's Presidency: "60 New Death Penalties," Free Speech Zones, expanded wiretap capabilities and authorisations, Big Copyright, more DrugWar, "welfare reform" NAFTA.

    Democratic Candidate for US Senate, WI (2012)
    Masel4senate

    by ben masel on Wed Dec 19, 2007 at 08:26:03 AM PDT

    •  Thanks (1+ / 0-)

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      That is something that I thought this article did a nice job of explaining.  It wasn't just a get along with Republicans philosophy.  It was a true governing philosophy that shifted the Democratic Party to the right on a variety of issues.  That is the difference, in my mind, between the message of uniting the country that Obama preaches and the third way politics of the Clintons.

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      by TheC on Wed Dec 19, 2007 at 08:31:37 AM PDT

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      •  We have absolutely no idea (1+ / 0-)

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        Lying eyes

        what uniting the country actually means in Obama's mind, or how exactly he is to accomplish this.  But it's a nice slogan.  

        "I'm for Hillary because I believe that the United States right now is in a world of crap." - spoken by a Nevada voter

        by SaneSoutherner on Wed Dec 19, 2007 at 08:43:40 AM PDT

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  •  Not in the least a hit diary. It shows quite well (4+ / 0-)

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    that one can be critical of a candidate without being unfairly critical (rather rare around here lately). You did an excellent job in conveying my reservations about the Clinton candidacy.

  •  I love the Big Dog. I'd like to have a (2+ / 0-)

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    Quicklund, lurks a lot

    beer and a burger with him. But he's got nothing to say to me about this race. Things are different now, and I think Hillary's problems, to a large extent, are because they are both caught in a time warp. Al got it. Edwards gets it. Hillary and Obama, not so much.

    Smile, you have a Republican by the neck.
    --graffiti above urinal

    by dallasdave on Wed Dec 19, 2007 at 09:09:40 AM PDT

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