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The Case for Obama

Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 11:58:10 AM PDT

Probably like many here, I watched Senator Obama's official campaign announcement this morning, and came away very pleased with what I saw. In my opinion, there are essentially two aspects to presidential leadership: managerial skill, and the capacity to inspire the public and gradually move "the center" through use of the bully pulpit and political acumen. Obama has no track record in the first area, which gives me some pause--but on the second, he clearly stands head and shoulders above the rest of the Democratic field as it stands today.

In this diary, I want to make an argument for why the online community of progressive activists should get behind the Senator from Illinois now, without reservation or hesitation--and why we might find ourselves essentially shut out of the national debate if we don't.

A Theory of the 2008 Race
I generally concur with the consensus view that this crop of Democratic presidential candidates is probably the deepest, most talented and most interesting in decades, maybe ever. Individuals who are second- or third-tier candidates in this cycle, like Richardson and Biden, might have been front-runners in past years. Others on the periphery of the race have very compelling stories to tell as well--Wes Clark, whom I supported in 2004 and still feel might be the best potential president of the group, and of course Al Gore, who has shown a degree of courage and patriotism I wouldn't have thought possible during and after the absurd and tragic 2000 campaign.

But this all strikes me as theoretical, because a Clinton is in the race. I think Hillary Clinton would be a disaster as the Democratic nominee, and very likely a failure if she won the presidency, for reasons I'll explain in a minute. Even so, she brings advantages to her campaign that no other Democrat can approach: unlimited money, influence over local and state party organizations, her husband's political brilliance, and perhaps most importantly the residual loyalty and affection of Democrats who look back with fondness on Bill Clinton's presidency. Assuming that there's a finite amount of money, energy and talent in the Democratic primary contest, Hillary Clinton commands a plurality of it, maybe approaching an outright majority.

So we have a situation where, given her resources, Senator Clinton will be very tough to stop in the primaries--even if she doesn't get more than 35 percent in any of the early contests. She'll just keep rolling up pluralities, waiting for the crowded field to thin, playing to the media which usually assumes a deferential posture to the front-runner (well, unless it's someone who scares them, like Howard Dean). By the time the race narrows down to a few candidates--call them Hillary and Not-Hillary--she'll have an air of inevitability, as Kerry did by mid-February 2004, and it would take a minor miracle to deny her. But at least we'd have six months to churn through our buyer's remorse.

The sooner Not-Hillary emerges, the better chance that individual has to win the contest. Beyond his own tremendous appeal, I think Barack Obama is by far the best Not-Hillary option, capable of driving the transformational change in our politics that so many of us yearn for.

Why Not Hillary?

The pratcial case against Sen. Clinton is the same as it's been since the first rumor of her presidential intentions five or six years ago: her appeal is sharply limited by the near-half of the country that won't vote for her under any circumstance. Charlie Cook a few weeks ago reported this figure as 46 percent; by contrast, John Edwards is outright dismissed by about 34 percent, and Obama by 23 percent. If these figures are close to accurate, that's a much larger pool of potential support for either of the other two Democratic first-tier candidates. I'd argue that the deep antipathy toward Senator Clinton also poses tremendous potential danger to Democrats' House majority, considering how many challengers won in 2006 in purple-to-red districts in Indiana, Kentucky, Colorado, Kansas and elsewhere. Their chances of surviving a first re-election bid--statistically, the toughest by far--greatly diminish if they have to run away from the top of the ticket.

Beyond the numbers, though, I don't believe Hillary Clinton is interested in, or maybe even capable of, offering the kind of progressive leadership most of us on sites like this yearn for. Consider this analysis of her announcement speech, by the always-entertaining Matt Taibbi at rollingstone.com:

It's somewhat unfair to bash a politician for literary unoriginality these days, mainly because the vast majority of them are guilty of using the same robotic, machine-generated, market-tested campaign rhetoric. But Hillary's opening speech was really remarkable for its computerized coldness even compared to such notorious campaign robots as John Kerry and Wes Clark. It was a surprisingly impersonal, almost defiantly by-the-book recitation of the DLC formula for national Democratic campaigns -- bash the incumbent, talk tough militarily, and then try to beat the Republicans in the middle on the issues of health care, the environment and a balanced budget. Take a look at the opening of Hillary's speech:

I'm in. And I'm in to win.

Today I am announcing that I will form an exploratory committee to run for president.

And I want you to join me not just for the campaign but for a conversation about the future of our country -- about the bold but practical changes we need to overcome six years of Bush administration failures.

I am going to take this conversation directly to the people of America, and I'm starting by inviting all of you to join me in a series of Web chats over the next few days.

The stakes will be high when America chooses a new president in 2008.

As a senator, I will spend two years doing everything in my power to limit the damage George W. Bush can do. But only a new president will be able to undo Bush's mistakes and restore our hope and optimism.

Only a new president can renew the promise of America -- the idea that if you work hard you can count on the health care, education and retirement security that you need to raise your family. These are the basic values of America that are under attack from this administration every day.

And only a new president can regain America's position as a respected leader in the world.

I believe that change is coming November 4th, 2008. And I am forming my exploratory committee because I believe that together we can bring the leadership that this country needs. I'm going to start this campaign with a national conversation about how we can work to get our country back on track.

Here's the human translation for that piece of text:

Crappy Corbin Bleu song.

"National conversation." Bold. Change. Bush is a failure.

National conversation. American people. I know how to use the Web.

High stakes.

Bush causes damage. Bush made mistakes. Hope and optimism.

Promise of America. Hard work. The New Deal. Family. Values. Under attack.

Together.

Leadership.

National conversation.

...
Kerry used to be the master of the focus-word-list style of campaign speechifying ("My fellow citizens, elections are about choices. And choices are about values..."), but Hillary blows Kerry away. You seldom caught Kerry lumping more than four focus words into a sentence, but check out Hillary's penultimate line. It's a six-word list: Principles, values, new ideas, energy, leadership, challenge. In fact the only focus words that Hillary left out of her speech, as far as I can tell, were freedom, pride, and truth. The key words -- values, principles, change, heroes, future, etc. -- were mostly all double- or triple-represented.

Will the 2008 campaign see the world's first ten-focus-word sentence? I used to think that was an impossibility, but I'm beginning to wonder. Would you put a sentence like the following past Hillary Clinton?

The promise of America requires bold new leadership, leadership based on the principles and values of hope and optimism -- leadership with the vision to honor America's heroes and stand up to any challenge.

Hmm, maybe I'm underestimating these people. That was too easy, insultingly easy in fact...Can we reach for a fifteen-word list maybe? I have no doubt that if it happens in the next two years, Hillary will be the record-setter.

Hillary Clinton represents the perpetuation of the zero-sum politics of the last 20 years. This is hardly a coincidence, as her election would mean the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton sequence that so many of us who remember that this country isn't a hereditary monarchy find repellent. The old Clinton crowd of difference-splitters, world-class triangulators, and status-quo perpetuators would get another turn.

What would this mean? Well, perhaps the Iraq War would end, perhaps not, but the mindset that led to this strategic disaster and tragic mistake would endure--in part because that same mindset holds that military intervention is just something that presidents should do. Perhaps some incremental progress might be made toward expanding health care or slowing the pace of global warming--but the second Clinton Administration would be working within a self-limited framework defined by their reluctance to take on big political fights, because this or that constituency simply cannot be offended or angered. This is how things have been, ergo this is how things must be.

If you believe in reform, if you believe in the American community, if you believe in the progressive vision, I simply don't see how you can support Hillary Clinton. If, on the other hand, you enjoy Rovian polarization and a nation too bitterly divided to take on the great challenges of our time, if you appreciate focus group-driven politics through which the aficianados nod and smile at the buzzwords, she's your candidate.

Okay then; why Obama?
Every candidate is, among other things, a vehicle for the hopes and aspirations of her/his supporters. This was never more apparent than in the John Kerry campaign of 2004; to this day I don't believe that most Democrats, maybe not even a plurality, really supported Kerry as their first choice early that year--but because the stakes did seem so high, because the prospect of four more years of Bush seemed so unbearable, we took up his cause. Kerry himself didn't seem to understand this, but I think most of us did.

Obama, on the other hand, does seem to grasp that, for all his personal appeal, his political appeal is mostly driven by the yearning for something else, something better. The speech this morning, like his two past great speeches (the 2004 Democratic Convention keynote, and his superb 2005 commencement address at Knox College), makes this point:

[A]lthough government will play a crucial role in bringing about the changes we need, more money and programs alone will not get us where we need to go. Each of us, in our own lives, will have to accept responsibility – for instilling an ethic of achievement in our children, for adapting to a more competitive economy, for strengthening our communities, and sharing some measure of sacrifice. So let us begin. Let us begin this hard work together. Let us transform this nation.
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I know there are those who don't believe we can do all these things. I understand the skepticism. After all, every four years, candidates from both parties make similar promises, and I expect this year will be no different. All of us running for president will travel around the country offering ten-point plans and making grand speeches; all of us will trumpet those qualities we believe make us uniquely qualified to lead the country. But too many times, after the election is over, and the confetti is swept away, all those promises fade from memory, and the lobbyists and the special interests move in, and people turn away, disappointed as before, left to struggle on their own.

That is why this campaign can't only be about me. It must be about us – it must be about what we can do together. This campaign must be the occasion, the vehicle, of your hopes, and your dreams. It will take your time, your energy, and your advice – to push us forward when we're doing right, and to let us know when we're not. This campaign has to be about reclaiming the meaning of citizenship, restoring our sense of common purpose, and realizing that few obstacles can withstand the power of millions of voices calling for change.

I would submit that this is the essence of the progressive ideal: us, not you or me. My single biggest problem with the Republican philosophy, what I think is the rot at its core, is that they really contend that each of us is on our own, that there are the worthy and the worthless, and that government at most reflects and reinforces these differences. In some sense this is what binds the billionaires and the Christofascists: they share a binary worldview, and regard the Other--the unions, the secularists and insufficiently belligerent people of monotheistic faith, pretty much anyone who doesn't show them absolute deference--with rage and fear. Whereas Senators Clinton and Edwards, at their best, promise to take up this fight on our behalf, Obama has the vision of transcending the conflict, of getting beyond the zero-sum, of defeating the Dobsons and Hannitys not by frontal assault, but by revealing the essential moral bankruptcy of their worldviews, how far they are from the best traditions of America.

Politics is about storytelling, and Obama more than anyone else in this race tells the stories I think we need to hear. Yes, it's a leap of faith to entrust a man so young, with no real executive experience, with the presidency. But such was the case with Lincoln, who also had never really run anything bigger than a law office or a general store. I would rather vote my hopes than my angers or resentments.

The Rest of the Field, Now and Later
Before today, my first choice for the presidency was the same as many in the Daily Kos community: General Wesley Clark. I still feel that Clark might be the best potential president in the field: his great strengths, executive experience and an unquestioned mastery of foreign policy, are Obama's great questions. If Clark were in, if he had the money backing and the media attention, I'd support him with total enthusiasm. I personally look for leaders who make me proud to be an American; Clark, a self-made man who was wildly successful in perhaps the most rigorous meritocracy in our society, fits that bill completely.

Unfortunately, he's not in the race. I don't know what he was, or is, waiting for--but at this point, given the crowded field, I don't see how he can win the nomination. He's certainly smarter than I am, and maybe he has something in mind, but I don't think we can afford to wait, considering that the party as a whole is not as appreciative of this extraordinary man and his talents as this community is.

Al Gore, while not as appealing to me as Clark, does have some strengths that the General lacks. His stature is such that he somewhat can afford to wait; in fact, one could argue that his ideal time to enter the race might be after the first stretch of primaries, to take advantage of the presumptive buyers' remorse that might follow a string of early Clinton victories. If that's the case, and the contest turns into the former First Lady versus the former Vice-President, I will enthusiastically back Gore. If he comes in later this year, to contest the primaries, I know a lot of Democrats will be conflicted, and I probably will be too. But, as with Clark, I don't think those of us who prefer Obama can afford to wait.

John Edwards? I liked him in 2004 because he forcefully made a point that John Kerry seemed unwilling to accept: it's immoral to privilege wealth over work for taxation purposes. In some ways, he's a better and more appealing candidate now than he was then: his health care plan is compelling, as is his full-throated populism. But his foreign policy views strike me as little evolved from 2004, and he seems too quick to pander to the Democratic base without concern for the real-world consequences if those policies were enacted.

Obama is preferable here because he grasps what I think is the secret of leadership: one must know where the country is, where s/he would like to take the country, and how to move that center point of public opinion. In the end, this is why I'm inclined to support him. And, for this mix of practical and idealistic reasons, it's why I think progressives now on the fence for the race next year should strongly consider doing the same.

Tags: Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, 2008 elections, president, primaries, John Edwards, Wesley Clark, Al Gore, Matt Taibbi (all tags) :: Previous Tag Versions

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    •  Thank you. (2+ / 0-)

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      This was a very thoughtful and well written diary.

      Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities.

      - Albert Einstein

      by Walt starr on Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 12:06:51 PM PDT

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    •  Very well thought-out (2+ / 0-)

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      and well-written;   you make many excellent points.

      John McCain: Vowing to connect real leaders with real bowels

      by chicago minx on Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 12:24:06 PM PDT

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    •  assigning agency (1+ / 0-)

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      It is common for commentators to assign the agency of HRCs success to her husband, as in

      "she brings advantages to her campaign that no other Democrat can approach...her husband's political brilliance..."

      without any mention of how her own talent and brilliance contribute to her success (or her husbands success for that matter).

      This really bugs me, it is a subtle dig at her intelligence, and I have a hard time not taking it personally. Throughout my own career I have dealt with being unfairly denied credit, especially when there was some guy convenient available to give the credit to, it is a very sensitive spot.

      I would like to request that everyone tread more lightly around this. If you have some reason to think that Bill deserves more credit for her success than Hillary, then present evidence. Otherwise, credit where credit is due.

      •  okay (2+ / 0-)

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        pHunbalanced, heartofblue

        I don't for a minute discount Sen. Clinton's intelligence. She might well be smarter than Bill--though I don't think there's anyone alive who would dispute that he's the better politician, or that much of her institutional advantage, which was really my point here, stems from his presidency. And there's no question that she is an incredibly accomplished person; gender has nothing to do with her success or abilities.

        Beyond this, if you're arguing that her connection to Bill Clinton cuts both ways, I can see that. But it strikes me as slightly akin to W.'s dismissal of the sentiment that being the son of a former president helped him; "I inherited half his friends and all his enemies."

        The comparison shouldn't be taken too far; if George W. Bush had been born George W. Smith, his life possibilities would have ranged from "town drunk" to "shift manager at a sporting goods store." If Hillary Rodham Clinton had become Hillary Rodham Smith, she still would have been a lawyer and advocate of great talent and attainment; hell, I'd probably like her politics better.

        But what can't be denied is that in both cases, the last name is more of a political benefit than liability. That's all I'm saying here.

        •  these are all valid (1+ / 0-)

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          and entirely reasonable points. You can and should talk about how bill has helped her career. The key phrases that I want to emphasize are "sensitive spot" and "please tread lightly."

          The under-recognition of professional women is large-scale social phenonmenon. We really should be sensitive to this fact, and careful to parse our words when we talk about professional couples like Bill and Hillary. And if we aren't sensitive to it, then we shouldn't be surprised when we trigger an emotional response from some readers.

          My concern about this issue extends well beyond this diary, and I don't want to single you out. Just trying to make this point as often as I can.

    •  I have to disagree and agree (0+ / 0-)

      I think Edwards world view has evolved, his travels to foreign nations, his work in Russia, his plan to get out of Iraq and his stance on Iran is a reasonable one. He's the only politician I have heard talk about negotiating a deal with the Iranians where we would help provide them nuclear energy if they agree to halt their nuclear weapons program. I think Obama was right on the Iraq war from the get go but besides that I haven't heard much else from him on foreign policy issues. Where does he stand on Uganda? Or Darfur? I know he's talked diplomacy and muscle when it comes to Iran, but I'm looking for more specifics. I'm sure as the campaign goes on I will hear these from him. I also disagree that Edwards only goes so far in regards to the unions, he is the union man! He's gone much farther with the unions then Obama has. He's joined the picket lines for security workers, joined Hotel Workers Rising, he is for the card check, and wants to expand the service union and help people form unions more easily. I also believe and this is no surprise that Edwards is by far the most electable. Next to him I would say Clark and then Gore. Obama has charisma but hasn't been tested, we don't know where he stands on so many issues. That said, I think Hillary is our worst nightmare and I would be much happier with Obama then her at the top. I'm hoping once the primaries get near, the voters will consider electablity and not vote for Hillary.

      Netroots Director for Oregon Senate Candidate Jeff Merkley

      by sarahlane on Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 02:57:13 PM PDT

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  •  I'm not picking a candidate for at least... (7+ / 0-)

    ...eight more months, but here's some more fuel for the Obama fodder, from today's newspaper:

    Obama wins hearts, minds of these two Republicans

    In a bitterly divided electorate, the ability to attract such supporters could mean the difference between victory and another four years of idiocy in the White House.

  •  Very well-written, lucid, even-handed diary. (3+ / 0-)

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    Not an Obama fan here, but nevertheless the diarist's treatment of the other candidates in his/her discourse in classy and fair.

    ...from the bright blue sea of Atlanta in the red swamp of Georgia.

    by VolvoDrivingLiberal on Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 11:58:56 AM PDT

    •  thank you (3+ / 0-)

      Who are you supporting? What issues do you have with Obama?

      As might be clear from the diary, I don't approach the guy with total deference, I have my doubts and concerns, and I'm such a fan of Clark that I'll probably be disappointed no matter what happens.

      But I see more positives in Obama than anyone else currently engaged in the race. Another point that I didn't get into in the diary, but has been in my head a good bit, is how well he would play internationally; after eight years of Bush giving the world the middle finger, electing a second-generation American of African descent would help win back millions, maybe billions, of hearts and minds. If you believe, as I do, that we need global cooperation to take on many of the biggest issues we face, this is not a small consideration.

      •  That's a great point... (1+ / 0-)

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        that I often think about with Obama.  We all know that repairing America's relationship with the world is going to be one of the greatest challenges of the next several years.  Putting aside policy for a moment, just Obama's image on the world stage as the face of America would go a long way toward that reconcillation.

        "President Obama will be the most liberal President of our lifetime."

        by rashomon on Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 12:18:28 PM PDT

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      •  I strongly support Wes Clark, Worked on his (2+ / 0-)

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        primary campaigns in '04, and was fortunate to get to know both him and his wife, Gert. As much as I admire Clark though, I must admit I would jump ship if Gore got into the race. Gore/Clark would be an ideal ticket for me personally. I also have great respect for Edwards and Richardson. We are truly blessed with a solid field of candidates.

        While I like Obama personally, I perceive him as somewhat overly focused upon being a conciliator and compromiser, which are not the qualities that I am looking for in a President who will have major challenges in repairing the awful damage BushCo has wrought on this country and the world. I personally do not view Obama as having a "toughness factor" on par with Clark or Gore.

        ...from the bright blue sea of Atlanta in the red swamp of Georgia.

        by VolvoDrivingLiberal on Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 12:25:54 PM PDT

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        •  valid concern (2+ / 0-)

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          As I said, I love Clark; I think he's one of the finest people in public life, and I believe he would be an outstanding, outstanding president. I just don't see how he can win. It's sad but true that the public values star power over achievement and competence. I think Wes is a star, but he's not seen that way.

          I also worry about Obama's "stomach for the fight." I would like to believe that his ideals will carry him to stand strong when circumstances dictate; hopefully this is one of the questions that the long campaign will answer.

          •  Clark Doesn't Win When You Don't Back Him (5+ / 0-)

            I'm disappointed to hear so many of you who do understand that Wes Clark would be the best president seem willing to abandon him because you don't see how he wins. Clark can't win on his own. He needs his supporters to stand up for him. I ask you; has he abandoned you in any way? Do you not understand the important work he's doing that requires him not to announce yet? He's going to announce next month, one way or the other. If he says he's decided not to jump in, I'll take him at his word. I won't be like the Gore supporters who assume he's going to jump in no matter how many times he says he's not running. And if Clark decides not to run, Obama is someone I'll be looking at closely. Actually, I'm trying to look at all of them closely now. Please remember how early things are right now. It's not who looks strong now that's going to win; it's who is going to be strong much later in the race. If you know in your hearts that Clark is the best man for the job, stand by him. There's no need to jump ship now. There's going to be plenty of time later down the road to support Obama or someone else if Clark doesn't run. For now, stand strong for Wes. You know he's stands strong for you.

            Get out of the dark with Clark!

            by YestoWes on Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 12:47:12 PM PDT

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            •  well... (3+ / 0-)

              I reserve the right to change my mind, as every American should, and I admire and appreciate your loyalty to Clark. Particularly in February 2007, there's time and room yet to go with our ideals--just not as much as we might think. Hence my diary here. I'm trying to balance idealism with practicality.

              If and when Clark gets in, I'll be watching closely and probably very inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. And if the race somehow boiled down to Clark vs. Obama, I'd probably support Wes.

              That said, I probably don't understand "the important work he's doing that requires him not to announce yet." Do you mean laying-the-groundwork type stuff, or something else?

              Clark strikes me as such a brilliant man that I don't think he'll declare unless he really thinks he can win, and while this is probably true of all of them I don't think he's as egotistic/delusional as, say, Senate lifers like Dodd or Biden.

              •  I'm in the same boat (2+ / 0-)

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                If it came down to Obama / Clark I'd pick Clark.  

                No matter what, I'd want Obama, Clark, or Edwards and not Hilary.  I wouldn't want Gore much either, to me he's only slightly less divisive than Hilary is.  Those high negatives will hurt our downticket candidates out there (here for me) in the red zone.  I think, if we're going to build on the gains we made in the last cycle, we need a fresh face to lead the party, someone who can redefine it and not remind voters of what they didn't like about us ten years ago.

              •  The Important Work (4+ / 0-)

                Clark has been working with congress members on trying to forestall the expected push to attack Iran. This is a very serious issue to him-- as it should be to us all-- and he wants to do so in as politically neutral a way as he can. This also holds true for his pre-existing committment to head the conference at UCLA on Nuclear Weapons in a New Century: Facing the Emerging Threats. These issues are important to him and he wants his thoughts on these issues to be taken seriously, not as posturing for a political run.

                And you may very well be right. Clark probably won't run if he's convinced he can't win. But I believe we need his expertise in the White House at this very delicate juncture in our history, so my support stays solid. He needs his supporters to tell him he's needed. That's what got him in last time, not his own ambition.

                Get out of the dark with Clark!

                by YestoWes on Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 01:15:28 PM PDT

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                •  Clark perplexes me (2+ / 0-)

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                  I really like him. But, I keep oscillating back and forth about whether or not I think he should be president. My concerns boil down to my doubts that he can offer the "total package" that a president needs to be.

                  This is exemplified by the fact that he currently is prioritizing actually working on the problem over running for president: on the one hand, this makes me really respect and admire him, on the other hand it reinforces my impression that he is more of potential secreatry of defense than a potential president.

                  He doesn't seem to be quite willing to invest himself in winning over the public, which includes a lot of shallow self-packaging stuff, but is also essential if you are to bring the nation together.

                  Then again, I have absolute faith in his comepetence. And more than any other single thing, what I want in the next president is competence.

                  •  Yes (1+ / 0-)

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                    I find myself wondering if he even wants to be president.  To me he's far and away the most intelligent of the candidates.  I love everything he says, the way he approaches things.  But he doesn't seem to have the drive to attract attention to himself that politicians need (that Obama is masterful at).  I like him even better as person for that.  I'm certain he's the best one for the job, but I'm not sure he'll have a chance to get it.

                  •  I'm Always Suspicious of Candidates... (0+ / 0-)

                    ...that spend more time packaging themselves than presenting solutions to problems.  I guess it's the 'slick' factor that I don't find attractive.

            •  I agree YW. (2+ / 0-)

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              I support Edwards, but I think it is way too early to desert a candidate on "electability" or nominationability" grounds.  If someone thinks Clark is the best, they should stand by their candidate.  

              Of course, folks can do what ever they want to do, but I'm like you on this.

              "The answer is to end our reliance on carbon-based fuels." Al Gore, 7/17/08

              by TomP on Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 01:16:38 PM PDT

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            •  "Abandon" is probably not the correct word... (0+ / 0-)

              I love Clark, donated to his campaign, will donate again, and of course he is my first choice of all the declared candidates. However, many Clark supporters have strong affinity for Al Gore, believing he was cheated out of the Presidency and has earned/deserves another shot. I personally have mixed emotions about the idea of switching to Gore if he declares, but should not interpreted as a lack of respect and support for Wes Clark.

              ...from the bright blue sea of Atlanta in the red swamp of Georgia.

              by VolvoDrivingLiberal on Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 02:34:57 PM PDT

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        •  I can't give Gore very high marks (0+ / 0-)

          on the "toughness factor" after what happened in Florida.  

    •  I did not find this statement to be even-handed (0+ / 0-)

      "If you believe in reform, if you believe in the American community, if you believe in the progressive vision, I simply don't see how you can support Hillary Clinton. If, on the other hand, you enjoy Rovian polarization and a nation too bitterly divided to take on the great challenges of our time, if you appreciate focus group-driven politics through which the aficianados nod and smile at the buzzwords, she's your candidate."

      I really didn't.

  •  I watched this on C-span and they (6+ / 0-)

    had call in's after.  I was surprised the number of repubs. that called in , in support of Obama.  There were things like, I have voted repub. all my life but I think I could vote for this man, and another said that, This guy made me really stop and think and I might have to hear more from him.

    "Though the Mills of the Gods grind slowly,Yet they grind exceeding small."

    by Owllwoman on Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 12:03:18 PM PDT

    •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

      as I noted in another thread, right winger Curt Schilling has said he would vote for either McCain or Obama. He said if both face each other in the general, it will be a tough decision, which is surprising considering McCain is a friend of his.    

      •  Curt (1+ / 0-)

        As a lifelong Phillies fan who actually had the chance to work with Curt once (I used to write for NBC Sports online, and we got him to do a column and a chat during the 1997 World Series), I'll just say that nothing out of his mouth should be taken too literally or as valid for longer than it takes him to say it.

        He's a superb pitcher and a reasonably smart guy, but a little weird about politics. I agree that it's nice for a guy of such generally right-wing views to give Obama some love, but it's probably even odds that he comes out next week and tears him to shreds. Like so many Republicans, Curt is mostly in it for Curt.

    •  re (1+ / 0-)

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      frenchman

      See my comment above.

      I too am amazed as to the number of people that are tradiotional R's, considering or wanting to vote for him..

      If he gets the nom. He wins it all.

      "Steve Holt is now iSteve Holt 3G." - Steve Holt

      by cookiesandmilk on Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 12:16:07 PM PDT

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      •  I'm amazed by the number of people (0+ / 0-)

        who really don't care about politics, who are starting to care because of him.  Even the great Bill Clinton didn't really inspire people, they liked him, but he didn't do anything like Obama can do.

    •  Don't you think there are a lot of liars (0+ / 0-)

      among the callers. Sometimes they contradict themselves within two sentences. The reason why a Republican might say something like it is the desire to distance himself from their race-based haters among their party-affiliates.

      The more racist the attacks get against Obama, the more Republicans you will hear saying considering "Obama".

      The more "pro-immigrant interests" Obama will support, the more Lou Dobb's white poor middle-class Democrats will turn against Obama. Ethnic- and race based arguments will split both parties in their support for or against Obama.

      I want Obama to run just to learn what kind of shit people come up with to destroy him. Unfortunately in order to not get sick by shit thrown at him, he has to study the shit. He needs to get his hands dirty and should wear anti-septic gloves.

      BTW, that's the one thing I think Hillary has studied in depth. And I commend her for having survived it and being healthy.

  •  This diary... (7+ / 0-)

    exemplifies what I love about DKos.  I love to come here on a Saturday morning and read something as lucid and well-thought out as this...unlike so much of the MSM coverage.  I happen to agree with a fair amount, but whether you do or don't...outstanding diary.

    "President Obama will be the most liberal President of our lifetime."

    by rashomon on Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 12:11:59 PM PDT

  •  Exactly my sentiments, only that you can write so (3+ / 0-)

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    Well!

    My preference has always been Clark P/Obama VP, or Gore P/ Obama VP.

    In the abscence of Gore/Clark, then Obama is the guy.

    And I know Obama will pick Wes for Veep or SecState in case he picks Sebelius as VP (wonderful but unlikely as both lack foriegn experience)

  •  Very well done (0+ / 0-)

    Kudos to you Dajafi for your well written, well reasoned argument.  Although, I don't share your enthusiasm for Clark, whom I find singularly uninspiring, (and I think that hope and inspiration is what we need most now) I think you hit the nail right on the head regarding Obama's strengths.  I said something similar in my own diary today, albeit in less detail and without the analysis of Clinton. Once again, well done.

    "My True Religion Is Kindness" -- The Dalai Lama/---/Do you know why 350ppm is important?

    by JohnnyRook on Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 12:54:32 PM PDT

  •  Excellent diary and I agreed with most of your (1+ / 0-)

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    points.

    I'm somewhat surprised at the "glee" I have been reading regarding some republicans' reactions. We progressives can sometimes be way too naive.  I could never trust a republican on this issue because the republicans would like nothing better than to somehow have Hillary removed from the equation.  They consider her unbeatable. If republicans could convince us that another candidate could win the general election, they see a glimmer of hope to knock Hillary out.

    I will vote for whoever gets the nom (I like Edwards), but I'm not counting on any republicans joining the fold.

    •  I really think a lot of them are jumping ship (2+ / 0-)

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      At least among people I know, more moderate repugs are pretty disgusted with what they have wrought.  It seems like a lot of them are looking for an excuse to join us.  If we pick Hilary or Gore, they won't, but if we give them someone they haven't already hated for years they'll turn their backs on the crooks and nuts who rule their party.

      •  you got it (1+ / 0-)

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        Based on the polls, and the 2006 results, I have to believe that there are literally millions of moderate Republicans and indy Republican leaners who are really disgusted with where the Bush/Cheney/DeLay/Rove/Dobson/Norquist crowd has taken their party over the last 10 years. They have and will vote Democratic just to push back against that... but if there's one candidate they won't support, just at an emotional/gut level, it's Hillary Clinton.

        Unfortunately, Gore--whom I like much better than Sen. Clinton--might well be #2 on that list, though I think Edwards is probably somewhat in that boat (trial lawyer, loud and proud economic populist) as well.

        •  Edwards is pretty distant third in that (0+ / 0-)

          He wasn't part of the machine in the "old days" of the nineties.  He also has blue collar cred through his dad (even if everybody gets sick of hearing him bring it up).  There are a lot of economic populists among rednecks, healthcare and better schools are fine with them, just don't take away their guns.

  •  The case against Obama (0+ / 0-)

    is named Al Gore. He has the experience and specific knowledge, and he has proven he can win the most votes. Obama is new, but that's all he has going for him right now.

    Gore can take down Hillary easily on Iraq and a host of other issues. Obama doesn't have the money or campaign to do so.

    So let's enjoy Obama in the debates and give him the VP slot on the Gore ticket.

    Don't you think John McCain looks tired?

    by MakeChessNotWar on Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 01:29:22 PM PDT

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  •  Little known story on Obama and just how (0+ / 0-)

    Ambitious and tough, almost ruthless he is politically

    http://www.latimes.com/...

    Tells of how elbowed a beloved lady state senator from the race after she changed her mind to run to defend her seat following an earlier resignation to run for congress.

    Obama refused to step down and this pissed off a lot of Black leaders in Chi town.

    And the Bobby Rush story is well known

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