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Why aren't GOP politicians attacking Obama?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 02:01:20 PM PDT

Here's a question for the room: If Barack Obama made a huge mistake in saying "we now have spent $400 billion and have seen over 3,000 lives of the bravest young Americans wasted," how come Republican officeholders and candidates aren't issuing press releases condemning him?

That's usually how these things work. Take yourself way, way back to three and a half months ago and the John Kerry "joke" scandal. Kerry made his comment; he was attacked immediately by Republicans starting with John Boehner. After Kerry made an angry statement half-apologizing for the joke, he was attacked by Dick Cheney and the president, and half of the Democratic party.

Obviously that occured in the heat of a midterm election campaign. But Kerry wasn't running for anything. Obama is perhaps the most formidable Democratic candidate for November 2008. Doesn't it follow that Republicans would jump on the opportunity to take shots at him and extend the "wasted" story?

Possible theories for why they're not doing so:

They agree with Obama. Well, probably not.

They've assessed that the story did enough damage without their intervention. Unlikely; when has that ever stopped a pile-on?

They don't want to risk strengthening Obama with the Dem base by attacking him. Possibly.

They fear that the idea that troops' lives are being wasted in Iraq is politically powerful. This is the simplest explanation, and the one that makes the most sense.

Anyway, just throwing it out there. Why aren't Republican politicians attacking Obama?

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    •  Exactly (3+ / 0-)

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      johnny rotten, kaye, Mae

      The Republicans are so terrified of this issue they don't want to say anything, good or bad.

      "The Power to change this party, and the power to change this country is in your hands, not mine." - Gov. Howard Dean, MD

      by deaniac83 on Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 02:17:52 PM PDT

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    •  That was more or less... (0+ / 0-)

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      Mae

      ....what I said during the Kerry joke fiasco. While I thought it would personally hurt Kerry a bit, it wouldn't help the GOP much and might even hurt them. Americans are pissed off about Iraq and that joke Kerry told and Obama's "wasted" line draws attention to Iraq.

    •  I say, "Give the republican-Americans (2+ / 0-)

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      Mae, extradish

      a minute". They're covering Anna Nicole Smith right now. They'tll be back. They can't possibly pass up a chance to slur a Democrat.
      Unless...they are so used to repeating their own  fabricated lies, they can't recognize a real faux pas when they hear it.

      Barack Obama - I'll never see the threat of terrorism as a way to scare up votes, it's a threat that should rally this country against our common enemies

      by madgranny on Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 04:48:22 PM PDT

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  •  He immediately applogized (8+ / 0-)

    Every one in public life get three take backs a year, it's in the union contract.

  •  A combination of those, I think (14+ / 0-)

    They dont want a debate about Iraq. And criticizing Obama will force them to explain why the troops are still in Iraq, and many probably dont know the answer to that anymore.  

  •  Why would they? (10+ / 0-)

    there's a whole right-wing noise machine built up around them to do the attacking for them, which makes them sound much less crazy by comparison.

    Why aren't they?  Cause the right-wing blogs are doing it for them.

  •  They will (4+ / 0-)

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    A revolution without dancing is a revolution not worth having // Swords Crossed

    by quaoar on Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 02:08:14 PM PDT

  •  the noise machine is attacking Obama (8+ / 0-)

    so the pols don't have to.

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    by Carl Nyberg on Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 02:08:27 PM PDT

  •  Like it or not.... (2+ / 0-)

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    daisy democrat

    ...another reason is because Obama is a "likeable black"... as opposed to an easily targetable "uppity negro"...

    I know it's cynical, but what US politician in their right mind would throw the first stone. For now it's best to let surrogates draw the first blood - see Australia's John Howard (Murdoch's buddy) as a prime example.

    Once there is a bit of blood in the water - the sharks will come... rest assured.

  •  Because the GOP pols are polite and contrite and (1+ / 0-)

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    Sanuk

    full of empathy for the brash, young upstart Obama. Duh.

    Or maybe they're letting their minions handle it for them.

  •  their brownshirts are doing it for them (4+ / 0-)

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    cookiesandmilk, wild salmon, kaye, Sanuk

    this is a master straegy of theirs- they send out despicable henchmen to do the job and then feign innocence of it all.

  •  There's no existing deep framing of Obama (6+ / 0-)

    as language-challenged like there was for Kerry, so it's an ineffective attack with no resonance.

  •  He apologized (9+ / 0-)

    very quickly, even before any in the GOP realized he had made a mistake.  Very rapid response.  The first story out of the gate about this was him apologizing for it.  Usually, a candidate is attacked first and then has to begrudgingly acknowledge the mistake and then apologize (Kerry, Edwards, etc) and all of that gives the story legs.  It is the equivalent of Edwards pre-emptively getting rid of the bloggers and have that be the beginning of the story.  Obama did screw up rhetorically, but acted as quickly as possible to fix it.

    According to Hillary, "lobbyists are people, too."

    by Prince Georges for Obama on Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 02:21:39 PM PDT

    •  Sun-Times article (4+ / 0-)

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      kaye, Geekesque, nom de paix, dotster

      on the apology.

      http://www.suntimes.com/...

      Following his Springfield launch on Saturday, Obama wrapped up a three-day swing in the key primary states of Iowa and New Hampshire, ending at a University of New Hampshire rally where he assailed the "trivialization of politics" where "it is all about who makes a gaffe."

      •  Obama is smart to point out what they're doing (4+ / 0-)

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        Trivialization is right. Every time the right wing pulls this kind of thing, progressives should respond not just by rebutting where appropriate, but by going meta and articulating how the wingers are trying to derail serious discussion and change the subject from their own failure to govern responsibly or effectively.

        "The cloud of mind is discharging its collected lightning, and the equilibrium between institutions and opinions is now restoring or is about to be restored."

        by nom de paix on Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 02:43:23 PM PDT

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      •  That's how he's going to win... (7+ / 0-)

        ...by making people who want to crucify politicians for slips of the tongue seem like the petty people they are.  He's already framed the debate where any of the standard RWNM attacks against him aren't going to be able to stick, because he's "above that."  It's a rhetorically brilliant move, especially when coupled with a faster-than-light response system that picks up stuff like this before it becomes a story.

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        by mistersite on Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 02:43:31 PM PDT

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    •  Yep, and if Kerry had done the same thing (3+ / 0-)

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      johnny rotten, kaye, Nespolo

      there never would have been such a big deal last year.  

      A key part of damage control is knowing when to pick your fights and when to just say "oops."

      "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

      by Geekesque on Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 02:25:58 PM PDT

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  •  Limbaugh mentioned it today (3+ / 0-)

    But he didn't seem to want to focus on that comment.  Instead he simply went over the rest of Obama's speech and concluded, "I thought this guy was supposed to be something new.  I didn't hear anything I hadn't heard before in his speech."

    Clearly they don't want us pondering whether those lives were "spent" (I hate using words like that on human lives) on something worthwhile.

    'I speak, therefore I act' is the great American illusion of politics.

    by snout on Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 02:22:08 PM PDT

  •  Because he said "Oops. My bad." right away (3+ / 0-)

    and defused the whole silly pigpile.

    "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

    by Geekesque on Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 02:23:50 PM PDT

  •  They can't play the sound byte without .... (6+ / 0-)

    ... the part about the $400 billion being spent? (Just guessing.) I'd like to think it was the apology.

    "It does not require many words to speak the truth." -- Chief Joseph, native American leader (1840-1904)

    by highfive on Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 02:24:36 PM PDT

  •  It only works with the 25% (2+ / 0-)

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    kaye, Geekesque

    That still support Bush and the war. The wingnut bloggers write for the 25%, trashing Obama, but it's radioactive for the Repub politicians because they loose the 75%.

    "It's the planet, stupid."

    by FishOutofWater on Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 02:24:39 PM PDT

  •  I don't think they quite know what to make of him (0+ / 0-)

    yet. Plus, the range in their own field is so wide, they have to be careful of what issues thay choose to highlight at this point. Finally, one of Obama's greatest assets is simply his presence. They do not want to call any more attention to him than they have to, at this point. The more play he gets in the media now, the harder it will be a year from now for them to capitalize on the 'experience' attack.  

  •  Not enough choices in your Diary. (1+ / 0-)

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    Mia Dolan

    The real answer is probably; they don't think he has a chance in hell of becoming Pres in '08 so, no upside to attacking him...

  •  I have another option (4+ / 0-)

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    DCDemocrat, afox, Mia Dolan

    Perhaps they seem him as the Democratic candidate most likely to lose a General Election.  Hilary may be highly disliked and they like to claim she's unelectable.  Frankly, another 8 years of a Clinton presidency could damage the Democratic Party (like the last 8 years under a Clinton) but make no mistake about it, she can win.  She is a strong candidate.  If the GOP really thought she was unelectable, they wouldn't be saying anything about it.  So by not criticizing Obama, they hope to make him the strongest contender and the guy who takes the nomination for the Democrats.

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    by SoCalLiberal on Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 02:31:39 PM PDT

    •  If that was the case, their noise machine ... (0+ / 0-)

      wouldn't be busily attacking Obama while leaving Hillary pretty much alone.

      No, I think it's because they're terrified of making the argument that those lives HAVEN'T been wasted, because it just reinforces the point of what the terrible cost of this war has already been, and of how little has been achieved or is likely to be achieved by the loss of those 3,100 plus American lives (and however many more will be killed by the end of this carnage).

      "Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither liberty nor security." -Ben Franklin

      by leevank on Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 02:38:23 PM PDT

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    •  I think if we nominated Hillary, (2+ / 0-)

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      SoCalLiberal, kaye

      and I do recognize the immense problems associated with it, she might prove unbeatable given the current situation.

      Guess what. Kossacks continue to be very rude. I am for Obama, but I'm not a Kossack.

      by DCDemocrat on Wed Feb 14, 2007 at 05:38:30 AM PDT

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      •  Well I think she turns off a lot of voters (1+ / 0-)

        I think though in the current situation, given her money and given Bill's popularity, and given all the other shit of Dubya's administration I think that she could very well win.  However, I don't think it would be good for the party or the country to see her in the White House.  Do we really want 28 years of Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton?  I know I don't.  

        Build the Wilshire Subway!

        by SoCalLiberal on Wed Feb 14, 2007 at 11:20:50 AM PDT

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  •  Republicans want Obama to be (3+ / 0-)

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    wild salmon, afox, Mia Dolan

    the democratic nominee.  They know they'll win.  Same thing with Hillary.

  •  The Prince (3+ / 0-)

    by Machiavelli will provide your answer.

    The prince must consider, as has been in part said before, how to avoid those things which will make him hated or contemptible; and as often as he shall have succeeded he will have fulfilled his part, and he need not fear any danger in other reproaches. It makes him hated above all things, as I have said, to be rapacious, and to be a violator of the property and women of his subjects, from both of which he must abstain. And when neither their property nor honour is touched, the majority of men live content, and he has only to contend with the ambition of a few, whom he can curb with ease in many ways.

    Notice that the attacks are coming from a well orchestrated proxy similar to the Swiftboat attacks on Kerry.  Bush kept his hands clean as Kerry was taken down.

  •  Sadly, I think he was right the first time (1+ / 0-)

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    I realize that a politician can't say such things, but unless one believes that there is some signficant possibility that Iraq will somehow turn into a peaceful democracy that is friendly to the West, their lives WERE wasted.

    I still remember the burial of a high school friend who was killed in Vietnam, and his mother wailing, as Taps was being played, "Why . . . why . . . why?"  And the answer then, as it is now to the same question that I'm sure has been asked by many of the mothers whose sons and daughters have been killed in this war is, "Because the President wasn't worthy of the trust that was reposed in him by the American people, and heedlessly threw away your son's [or daughter's] precious life for nothing."

    "Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither liberty nor security." -Ben Franklin

    by leevank on Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 02:35:13 PM PDT

  •  Republicans have Australian Prime Ministers (4+ / 0-)

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    to do their dirty work for now.

    Keith Olbermann: If you truly revere Eward R. Murrow, it's time to change your sign off from "Good Night and Good Luck" to Fired Up and Ready to Go!"

    by sgary on Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 02:35:27 PM PDT

  •  They are sitting back and watching the show (1+ / 0-)

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    sukeyna

    Dems have a knack for tearing eachother apart in a desperate attempt to win the party nomination.

    Their attacks on eachother are carefully documented by the GOP and used against their Dem opponent in the real race.

    Plus, as the Party that opposed desegregation, civil rights, and voting rights for African Americans (and has a long legacy of KKK involvement)they are understandably afraid to play the race card just yet.

    Obama's words will be used against him- by members of his own party, and then by the GOP.

    Watch and see.

    •  You sure? (0+ / 0-)

      If this war continues to get worst and comes election time next year we are up to 4500 deaths, I highly doubt that could still be considered an effective attack strategy.

      Despite what the republican spin machine likes to put out, what Obama said was true.  Their lives were wasted by the PNAC dominated civilian leadership.

    •  That doesn't seem to be happening, though... (0+ / 0-)

      ...in fact, thus far the Democratic primary campaign has been free of the sort of underhanded smears and circular firing squads we've come to expect out of the process.  From what I've seen, the only attacks between the Big Three have been entirely based on the other candidates' records - which is fair game in any election.

      Let's hope this trend continues.

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      by mistersite on Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 02:49:20 PM PDT

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      •  its early yet (1+ / 0-)

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        kaye

        they are just out of the gate

        and Hillary is "in it to win"

        It's gonna get ugly

        count on it

        •  I'm not sure it will. (0+ / 0-)

          The second Hillary's campaign turns ugly, she'll lose a bunch of the support and goodwill she has, because Obama's made it clear he's going to take the high road and keep taking it.  That's why I support Obama - because his framing of the race isn't just making it better for him, but it's making the whole process better.  The more people attack one another and him with sleazy tricks, the more popular he'll become.

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          by mistersite on Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 02:55:56 PM PDT

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  •  There are lots of reasons: (4+ / 0-)

    1. Because the echochamber will try to do it for them first to see if it is safe. On any controversy or issue. Especially because of the mindfield that is the GOP and race. But so far the echochamber hasn't had any more luck than the media in 'gotcha-ing' Obama. Conservative billionaires have spent vast sums of money building an aparatus to do just that, and when they think they have him, they will slime away but they haven't found their footing and its probably driving the wingnuts crazy in thinktankland.
    1. Because Barack Obama is conceptually a GOP nightmare and they don't have a strategy for attacking him yet. You attack him, the argument goes to the GOP and race. You attack his war stance, it goes back to the GOP being the party of the war. He is a "credible" person of color (unspoken are the words 'to suburban white America') and one that is running in a national, not regional, election they cannot compartmentalize. (Hiding just how racist your attacks are harder in a national campaign when you can't play the 'He's Al Sharpton' playbook) They can't Harold Ford 'call me' him without opening up a can of worms that effects the party nationally and rallies the opposition. That poses a string of huge problems. This is someone who has not been successfully marginalized as a 'crazy of color' (yet?) by the Hannity-O'Reilly set, and the GOP, for all of its bluster on race and constant railing against "PC" this or that, knows very well that 'The Republican Party and Black America' is not a conversation with a lot of upside to them. If the GOP could shiv Obama as they do other liberal African-American politicos as a crazy "urban" lefty, they would. But just like racism, subtle by choice and overt if caught in desperate straights, is a big part of the GOP's suburban appeal, so is cowardice. Republicans have racist ideas and ideals they mask with codewords and double talk. Expose them and they have a history that makes 'the party of Lincoln' a joke and they don't want that to be the issue. They have enough trouble as it is.
    1. They are counting on Obama's rival Democratic candidates, whoever doesn't matter really as long as it happens (although they would love a Hilary-Obama mutually assured destruction campaign in '07, to give them cover) to start the ball rolling. To find the cracks in the concrete. They want a situation where a Democrat finds a new Willie Horton attack so they can say 'it wasn't us who made it an issue'. Attacks in a direction that would allow them to avoid the pitfalls of having specific GOP candidates and office holders to attack Obama FIRST on matters that lead directly to GOP landmine issues, in a way that traps the GOP in a racial debate or war debate or both they cannot win. Ever.
    1. Because there is no counter-argument against Iraq war criticism, or smear for that matter, that doesn't allow for Democrats a blow back opportunity. Something to make their smears and attacks return the discussion to the GOP being the party of the most unpopular war since Viet-Nam.
    1. Because Obamamania has proven that the media is not going to cover Barack Obama like Mike Dukakis or Al Gore. Yet. The GOP has to be careful because any attack that fails will reverberate. He can blast meatball pitches out of the park and it will get media coverage. Just when the media seems to be hitting a wall with Barack Obama,  one thing that could bring back the coverage to 'Obama the rockstar' is if he gets a slow pitch relating to the GOP weakness on race and the war in Iraq to hit. If you give Barack Obama an opportunity to make you look like an ass, he will. And it would be a bad for the GOP two-fer: Iraq and race.

    If the GOP wants to attack a popular Democrat, going for an attack that gives the Democrats a megaphone to scream "They are the party that wants to have no debate on the war, cut Veterans funding, and make the war bigger while they are stifling the debate and abandoning veterans... but its their critics that "hate" America" and highlight the GOP's record on race, they're crazy. Or stupid.

    I hope they are.

    I think the GOP is trying to perfect a way of attacking Obama, they just can't find a way to lay a glove on him.

    "Arguments are extremely vulgar, for everyone in good society holds exactly the same opinion." - Oscar Wilde

    by LeftHandedMan on Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 02:46:17 PM PDT

  •  They would rather have a Black President (0+ / 0-)

    than Hillary Clinton back in the White House.  They will attack Clinton and she will lose.  They hate Clinton more than anything, they would rather have a Black President that Hillary Clinton in office.

    It's comin'

    As soon as I stop worrying, worrying how the story ends, I let go and I let God, let God have His way. "It's the soldier, not.."

    by Lady Bird Johnson on Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 02:56:34 PM PDT

    •  It's always a battle. (1+ / 0-)

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      Who do Republicans HATE most?

      Women?

      Children out of the womb?

      Minorities?

      Immigrants?

      They just can't make up their bigoted minds. It's going to really cost them in the future. They just aren't equipped to deal with modernity. They're dinosaurs, long overdue for extinction.

      I read some Republican journalist the other day and his clever aside to the argument that the Conservative Party is dead; he says, "People say this everytime Republicans lose elections; if that's true, then Conservatism is the longest dying political movement in History."

      I agree, I think it is on artificial life support and has been for a long time; the Republican party really isn't even part of our Democratic system anymore. They're neo-fascists, coropratists. They don't believe in Democracy, that's for certain.

      Time we put the Republican party out of our misery. Personally, I think elections between Dems and Greens would be more representative of America and get more people to the polls, and at this point, Republicans should go the way of the Whig party.

      It's time for America to evolve. I have no particular problem with a 2-party system. But there's no reason to have a Neo-Nazi party in a Democracy, just because of Tradition.

  •  It would 'legitimise' him (0+ / 0-)

    Look at what John Howard's comment did for BarryO: It gave him a platform to come out and lay the smack down. And he dispatched with Howard so skilfully that everyone down here in Australia is doing hand-wringing, wondering why an astute politician like Howard would make such a dumb comment.

  •  Cowards. (1+ / 0-)

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    Fortunately, they blew it with George Allen and now they're probably all terrified of letting something slip and exposing themselves as the racist trash they are.

    That's part of my theory, and part of why I think Obama will make a good candidate. Republicans have no idea how to handle a black candidate like Obama in 2006, how to attack him; their racism and their xenophobia is going to cost them on this one, as it's left them totally ignorant on how they can twist this political issue called: Obamarama.

  •  they have a Democratic congress to deal with (0+ / 0-)

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    kaye

    i think the word went out in October about Obama. the spin machine has been chewing on him for a while.

    that's probably how they will handle Obama. Indirectly.

    Don't fight it son. Confess quickly! If you hold out too long you could jeopardize your credit rating. --Brazil (1985)

    by hypersphere01 on Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 03:12:05 PM PDT

  •  Two possibilities, as I see things (1+ / 0-)

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    kaye

    First possibility is that the GOP is saving up the comment to deploy at another time, if Obama wins the nomination. While they could raise a fuss now and win a few news cycles, it'll be a non-issue down the road. And if they don't say anything now and try to bring it up later, Obama could just say "well, if you were so upset by that, why didn't you say something earlier?"

    Second possibility is that they want to avoid doing anything to draw attention to the war in Iraq. That's not exactly a winning issue for the GOP as the 2006 elections proved.

    •  I sort of agree (0+ / 0-)

      We'll see this quote again.  "Keeping the powder dry" on Obama is a definite tactic, although the reasons why they may be doing so are unknown.  My guess is that they don't want to do anything that would slow down  Obama from positioning himself as the anti-war candidate.  That way, if we wins the nomination, they'll do an all-out "National Security" blitz where they will throw everything against Obama at once to support their only winning (if BS) issue -- we'll keep you safe, that Democrat won't:

      -- Demeans our troops / destroys morale.
      -- Inexperienced
      -- Questionable upbringing in madrassa (yes, we'll hear this story again, as if it was never debunked)
      -- "Hussein" is his middle name.  Ooooh!
      -- Oddly enough, TV stations will "accidentally" misspell his name as "Osama" again.
      -- Doesn't understand the war on terror
      -- and on and on.

      Part of the reason I want a Clark / Obama ticket is so that Republicans will shut the hell up on National Security for one election cycle.  Maybe that's a false hope of mine.

  •  Talk radio is savaging Obama (1+ / 0-)

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    Last night, when I was driving home from work around 8-9 PM, the talk show host on WMAL here in DC was savaging Obama. He was refering to him as "Barak Hussein Obama" and lauding John Howard, Australia's PM, for atatcking Obama. He brought up the discredited madrassa story, also stating that an Obama vicotry would be a "win for the terrorists".

  •  Speaking the truth (0+ / 0-)

    would do irreperable damage to their innermost psychi.

    Common Sense is not Common

    by RustyBrown on Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 04:29:14 PM PDT

  •  It's competition for Hillary Clinton (0+ / 0-)

    Obama's candidacy makes Hillary go out on the road.  She has to explain her vote on the war over and over to Democratic audiences.  The Republicans would rather run against Obama.  Hillary can beat any Republican candidate in the national elections.  Obama is an unknown; they'll hold their fire on him until the national elections.

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    by kaye on Wed Feb 14, 2007 at 12:15:14 PM PDT

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