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Obama, The Next President?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 03:33:48 PM PDT

I keep trying to figure out why I like Obama so much. I'm a regular reader of DKos, and well aware of the many arguments against Obama's candidacy. I can even agree with most of them. He's inexperienced, unproven. He's opportunistic. He voted for the bankruptcy bill. He sucks up to the corporatist Dems. And so on.

But I just can't help it - every time this guy opens his mouth, I find myself agreeing with what he says. This is perhaps due not so much to the substance of what he says, as it is to HOW he says it. Obama speaks (it seems to me) with grace, sincerity, and deep intelligence.

These are qualities that have been sorely lacking in American leadership, for quite a long time now. They are particularly, and obviously, and almost gruesomely absent from our current leadership.

OK, call me superficial. It may well be that I appreciate style over substance. I am a painter by profession. But being a painter, it has occurred to me that HOW something is done, is often more significant than WHAT is done. I don't mean to get all metaphysical here, but I mean to say that very often, what you see is what you get.

Obama is transparently a humanist, as none of the other Democratic candidates are. He positively REEKS of idealistic humanism, and he expresses his idealism so well, that he is able to inspire even his opponents. To me, this looks a lot like the kind of leadership that the USA is going to need, once Bush is gone and somebody is going to need to pick up the pieces of our Republic, that Bush leaves behind.

We cannot afford a divisive next-President. Much as I love Kucinich, and Feingold, and much as I admire Edwards for his domestic vision, none of them will be able to pull the nation together, and to move it in a new direction, as it needs to be moved. Wesley Clark might also be able to do it, and I think Clark would make an excellent candidate. But Clark's abilities as a public speaker pale in comparison to Obama's.

It seems to me that the Democrats (and the nation as a whole) have been given an extraordinary gift, in the person of Barack Obama, and we would be well advised to take advantage of it. A man like this does not come along every day, and at just the right time.

Let's face it, our country is metaphysically divided right now, as almost never before. If we are to have any hope of bridging the formidable gulfs that divide us, we will need a President of extraordinary persuasive ability. I think that Barack Obama is that man. And I also believe that he is, essentially, on our side.

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  •  Talk to all the people who filed... (1+ / 1-)

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    for bankruptcy after his new "reforms." He's not on their side.

    And I also believe that he is, essentially, on our side.

    "Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow." -- Albert Einstein

    by KnowVox on Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 03:33:24 PM PDT

  •  Obama is great (5+ / 0-)

    but after seeing what the GOP did in Tennessee to Harold Ford, I am hedging my bets on General Wes Clark who is the only other remarkable candidate.  I think Obama would make a great VP and soon a great President too.  These two men can bring unity to America and help restore our prestige as a leader on the world stage.  Clark/Obama '08

  •  Mea culpa (8+ / 0-)

    Meant to say he IS on their side. It's a popular misconception about his bankrutpcy vote. Here's what he actually said about it:

    "In my view, the bankruptcy reform bill passed by the United States Senate by a vote of 74 to 25 does not strike a fair balance between the dual goals of holding individuals responsible for the consumer debt they acquire and ending abusive lending practices by creditors. I voted against this proposal because, in the final analysis, I thought it was overly harsh on Americans who suffer genuine financial misfortune and too easy on creditors whose policies encourage the consumer debt."-- Barack Obama

    "Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow." -- Albert Einstein

    by KnowVox on Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 03:38:04 PM PDT

  •  Bankruptcy vote (1+ / 0-)

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    http://www.senate.gov/...

    NAYs ---25
    Akaka (D-HI)
    Boxer (D-CA)
    Cantwell (D-WA)
    Corzine (D-NJ)
    Dayton (D-MN)
    Dodd (D-CT)
    Dorgan (D-ND)
    Durbin (D-IL)
    Feingold (D-WI)
    Feinstein (D-CA)
    Harkin (D-IA)
    Kennedy (D-MA)
    Kerry (D-MA)
    Lautenberg (D-NJ)
    Leahy (D-VT)
    Levin (D-MI)
    Lieberman (D-CT)
    Mikulski (D-MD)
    Murray (D-WA)
    Obama (D-IL)
    Reed (D-RI)
    Rockefeller (D-WV)
    Sarbanes (D-MD)
    Schumer (D-NY)
    Wyden (D-OR)

  •  He voted "present" in his state legislature... (0+ / 0-)

    ...twice when legislation affecting women's reproductive rights came up. Revealed today on msnbc [Tucker]. The "present" option is chosen when you don't want to vote "yes" or "no". IOW when you don't want to go on record as "taking a stand". It's worth noting because it is one of the major selling points in his election bid!
     It's not necessarily a "deal breaker" but something to consider. We have a long way to go before Nov 2008!

    "Great men do not commit murder. Great nations do not start wars". William Jennings Bryan

    by ImpeachKingBushII on Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 03:42:32 PM PDT

    •  Yeah.. (6+ / 0-)

      and Tucker spouting off about about the latest Real Clear Politics hit piece on Obama is certainly where I want to get my unbiased view of Obama's record.

      "President Obama will be the most liberal President of our lifetime."

      by rashomon on Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 03:46:37 PM PDT

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      •  I take Tucker with a grain of salt... (0+ / 0-)

        ...but not answering these little tidbits only fan the flames. I brought it up now so it can be possibly debunked and nipped in the bud. Sort of damage prevention now instead of damage control later. I plan on supporting full-force any Dem who gets our nomination!

        "Great men do not commit murder. Great nations do not start wars". William Jennings Bryan

        by ImpeachKingBushII on Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 03:49:54 PM PDT

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      •  Sometimes (1+ / 0-)

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        we can judge the effectiveness of our representatives by the vehemence of the opposition they provoke. Note that Howard in Australia chose to attack Obama rather than Clinton.

    •  These comments fail to address (0+ / 0-)

      the point of my diary. How, and why Obama voted in regards to the bankruptcy bill is beside the point. I am considering Obama as the next PRESIDENT. This has little to do with his Senate voting record.

      •  This where we disagree... (2+ / 0-)

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        I am considering Obama as the next PRESIDENT. This has little to do with his Senate voting record.

        ...ANY candidate's voting record is absolutely essential to the selection process. Do you think the repubs are going to ignore how our candidates voted on anything? That's a dream world view. You know they will hold our feet to the fire just like we will theirs. Friday the House is voting on the Resolution opposing Bush's upsurge. Everybody and their brother will be watching. A poll today showed 70% of Americans will base their votes in 08 by this vote. So their voting record counts.

        "Great men do not commit murder. Great nations do not start wars". William Jennings Bryan

        by ImpeachKingBushII on Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 04:00:18 PM PDT

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        •  Up to a point (1+ / 0-)

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          yes, I agree. Records are significant. But when push comes to shove, America will vote from the gut, not from the record.

        •  What was Abraham Lincoln's voting record? (0+ / 0-)

          Ambition is when you follow your dreams. Insanity is when they follow you.

          by Batfish on Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 05:21:01 PM PDT

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          •  Wow, history is my strong suit... (0+ / 0-)

            ...are you really sure you want to go there? I mean the politics of that day really gets into the deep end of the pool. Many historians credit Lincoln's election with being the match that ignited the Civll War, the South regarding him as the final straw in over 30 years of northern provocations. In that day it was a "given" that the states voluntarily joined the union and could also freely leave it. It was in fact a gentleman's agreement so fully understood they didn't feel the need to put it in the Constitution! And if you read all of the Southern States' Articles of Secession they bring up this fact. So I'm quite sure the South was a lot more familiar with Lincoln's voting record in his lengthy one term in Congress than most people today are with their reps. I went on my repub congress critter's website today and he's co-signed a lot of new bills. He's #106 on the power scale. He's been a Bush rubber stamp his 3 terms and without his voting record you'd never know it. He stays off the radar!
             So you've got to be careful with hasty generalizations which assume conclusions that just aren't there.
             
             

            "Great men do not commit murder. Great nations do not start wars". William Jennings Bryan

            by ImpeachKingBushII on Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 11:51:21 PM PDT

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            •  If Lincoln was the "match," then explain this: (0+ / 0-)

              We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory, stretching from every battlefield and patriot grave to every living heart and hearthstone all over this broad land, will yet swell the chorus of the Union, when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature.

              That's the close of the First Inaugural,the very first, like, thing that Lincoln said IMMEDIATELY after becoming, y'know, president 'n stuff.

              It marks Lincoln as a great writer. He understood the power and eloquence of simple words.

              Even on the hundredth reading, it moves me still.

              As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly.

              by ticket punch on Wed Feb 14, 2007 at 07:40:34 AM PDT

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      •  One of the arguments you used (3+ / 0-)

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        AGAINST his candidacy was his vote for the bankrutpcy bill. HE DID NOT VOTE FOR THAT BILL. If that's a factor you consider important (which you acknowledge it is) then you are making your decision on faulty information.

        I'm a regular reader of DKos, and well aware of the many arguments against Obama's candidacy. I can even agree with most of them. He's inexperienced, unproven. He's opportunistic. He voted for the bankruptcy bill. He sucks up to the corporatist Dems. And so on.

        "Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow." -- Albert Einstein

        by KnowVox on Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 04:01:49 PM PDT

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    •  Another misconception to beat back (1+ / 0-)

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      Those of us who supported Obama went through all of this in the 2004 senate primary campaign, but of, course, we'll have to do it again. (And again and again, I'm sure.) This is the second time I've seen this come up today.

      There were some pro-choice votes Obama voted "Present" on in the state senate in order to give moderate Republicans political cover so they could ALSO vote "Present" (as opposed to voting "Nay"). By doing so, these pro-choice bills were able to pass, when they might otherwise have failed.

      These votes reflect his leadership role in the senate getting progressive bills passed. Of course, a cursory glance at them, as Tucker and others are sure to do, makes them look suspect.

      "This union may never be perfect, but generation after generation has shown that it can always be perfected." - Barack Obama (3.18.08)

      by lapis on Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 06:05:27 PM PDT

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  •  native! :)))))) I feel your pain! (0+ / 0-)

    I love this man!  I have been burned by my love for Vice (President) Al Gore, and General Wesley Clark, I believe this time the Lord will shine on my candidate.  Everything he says I love!  The fact that he is NOT USING THE RACE CARD and trying to guilt America something makes my soul glad.  He is what every African-American male should strive to be.  Yes, we know there is still racism but I truly believe when this man gets the nomination and then becomes President it will only make things better and SHUT Al Sharpton UP!!! Finally....

    Run Barack!  RUN cause the Lord says so........

    As soon as I stop worrying, worrying how the story ends, I let go and I let God, let God have His way. "It's the soldier, not.."

    by Lady Bird Johnson on Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 03:57:10 PM PDT

  •  I Agree (1+ / 0-)

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    He's the only candidate we've had in recent memory who is "all there" verbally in terms of the demands of national politics.

    Most have excellent ideas, many have excellent creds, many are very good at expressing their ideas and motivations. But Obama has an ability to move with his speaking which goes beyond being clear or persuasive.

    I'm still cautious over his occasional scolding of Democrats in the last year or two, especially in some issues like Culture of Corruption where not only were the Dems too cautious but voters picked it as a top issue. My biggest fear is whether he grasps the nature of the threats to our system from the radical and powerful right.

    On the other hand he's shown a refreshing facility for dismissing attacks which makes me hopeful that he won't pursue bipartisanship via surrender and pandering.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 04:01:40 PM PDT

  •  Biden was right (4+ / 0-)

    every time this guy opens his mouth, I find myself agreeing with what he says. This is perhaps due not so much to the substance of what he says, as it is to HOW he says it. Obama speaks (it seems to me) with grace, sincerity, and deep intelligence.

    These are qualities that have been sorely lacking in American leadership, for quite a long time now. They are particularly, and obviously, and almost gruesomely absent from our current leadership.

    I agree with you -- he has a wonderful way of expressing himself. Biden was right ... at least about Obama's articulateness :)

    I loved the way he responded to John Howardyesterday:

    "I think it's flattering that one of George Bush's allies on the other side of the world started attacking me the day after I announced (my candidacy)," Senator Obama said.

    But the Illinois senator also challenged Mr Howard to put up or shut up.

    "So, if he's ginned up to fight the good fight in Iraq, I would suggest he calls up another 20,000 Australians and sends them up to Iraq," Senator Obama said.

    •  Yeah, right on! (1+ / 0-)

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      Obama ain't no wimp, and when a right-wing whacko like Howard attacks him, he can give back better than he gets. That's because he knows he's right, and Howard is wrong, and he's not afraid to say so. Another reason why I think that Obama is our man.

  •  imho (0+ / 0-)

    grace, sincerity, and deep intelligence.

    These are qualities that have been sorely lacking in American leadership, for quite a long time now.

    bill clinton had all these things...

    i think they're attacking me cause i'm awesome. how's that??

    by missreporter on Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 04:07:17 PM PDT

    •  all right (1+ / 0-)

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      maybe the sincerity wasn't always there...but only when he was talking about women.

      i think they're attacking me cause i'm awesome. how's that??

      by missreporter on Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 04:08:20 PM PDT

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      •  Obama is the real deal (4+ / 0-)

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        I don't think the talk about "metaphysical healing" is out of place at all. This country is at a cross roads, fed up with the leadership of incompetant conservatives, and pessimistic of a future that increasingly looks to hold ever mounting misery. We are at a critical time in the history of all civilization, faced with global annilation at the hands of global warming. The country is ready for Obama, and he is THE CANDITATE to support because he is the only democratic Candidate who can fundamentally shift the political debate and bring the political center toward progressivism. Barack Hussein Obama will be shown to be a transformational figure in American History.

        "The goal of modern propaganda is no longer to transform opinion but to arouse an active and mythical belief" -Jacques Ellul

        by Henry Drummond on Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 04:23:39 PM PDT

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  •  How closely have you followed/listened to Obama? (0+ / 0-)

    I ask because I have a position question, but its not something that comes up very often (if ever), and I was wondering if you might be able to point me to some place to get it answered

  •  I love Obama but, (1+ / 0-)

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    I will abandon him in a second if Gore gets in. 16 years of Dem rule, a complete reversal of the Supream Court, I could leave this world a very happy man.

    •  Actually I agree (2+ / 0-)

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      My dream scenario is Gore/Obama. I think Gore could have just as large an affect on this countries history, as he has taken the lead on the critical issue of this age. As VP Obama would be able to take an active role and give the party a great chance of 16 years in the Whitehouse. But I don't see Gore running, and Obama is a trancedent candiate. It just so happens that Gore is as well.

      "The goal of modern propaganda is no longer to transform opinion but to arouse an active and mythical belief" -Jacques Ellul

      by Henry Drummond on Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 04:43:45 PM PDT

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    •  Then you'll stay with Obama (0+ / 0-)

      I am pretty confident that Gore will stay out.

      Ambition is when you follow your dreams. Insanity is when they follow you.

      by Batfish on Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 05:23:04 PM PDT

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      •  Yes. (0+ / 0-)

        Obama is our best bet, both in the long term and the short term. The sooner Democrats realize this, the better.

        •  Edit your diary (0+ / 0-)

          There's a blatant falsehood in your first paragraph.

          I don't know about you, but when I meet someone, and one of the first things he tells me is a lie, I tend not to trust a word he says afterward.

          This diary will be archived here. People searching for information about Obama might read it without wading through the comment thread. They won't see the general outcry, nor will they see your "retraction" or whatever that was.

          For the sake of your own credibility, please show some integrity by revoking the disinformation about Obama's vote on the bankruptcy bill.

          "The world's a mess and I just need to rule it." -- Dr. Horrible

          by BobzCat on Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 09:41:09 PM PDT

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        •  Thanks for the edit, but (0+ / 0-)

          "maybe" he didn't vote for it? You "could be" wrong?

          Look here:
          U.S. Senate Roll Call: On Passage of the Bill (S. 256 As Amended )

          Look closely:

          Obama (D-IL), Nay

          Your "edit," and thus your diary, is still misrepresenting the facts.

          "The world's a mess and I just need to rule it." -- Dr. Horrible

          by BobzCat on Fri Feb 16, 2007 at 03:46:41 PM PDT

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          •  Thanks BobzCat, (0+ / 0-)

            For insisting on accuracy... you are absolutely right. I have now completely deleted my reference to Obama's voting on the bankruptcy bill.

            What I should have said in my original diary, but did not, was that there has been a PERCEPTION that Obama voted for the bill. As you've pointed out, that perception is wrong.

            I hope you won't long regard me as a "troll" though. My mistake was one of ignorance, and certainly not of intention.

             

            •  It's still there (0+ / 0-)

              He voted for the bankruptcy bill.

              As far as perception goes, it's fed by precisely the lie which leads your diary.

              Talk about irony.

              Until that lie is removed, you're still nothing but a troll, in MY perception.

              "The world's a mess and I just need to rule it." -- Dr. Horrible

              by BobzCat on Sat Feb 17, 2007 at 11:19:22 PM PDT

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