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The "Mary Cheney" Question Redux

Tue Feb 20, 2007 at 04:14:18 AM PDT

Before I brought Vox Libertas here to The Daily Kos, I posted an entry commending The Daily Show for its willingness to address the appropriateness of Wolfe Blitzer's asking Dick Cheney about James Dobson's criticism of Mary Cheney's having a baby in the context of a committed lesbian relationship. My posting also criticized the mainstream media for an unwillingness to deal with these issues, which I see as vital.

Since then, Pulitzer Prize winning columnist Leonard Pitts jr. has written a couple of  thoughtful columns on the topic. As a result of that and discussions and arguments with fellow bloggers and my own mother, it seems worthwhile for me to revisit my original article and expand upon it here.

One of the things that led to the creation of this blog was my conviction that new media and social networking could be a powerful tool for defending democracy and liberty in the modern age. In part, I came to this conviction because of the roll of Enlightenment Era "new media and social networking" in the creation of this country and in part it was due to... The Daily Show.

At the time, news had just broken that a study had shown that The Daily Show had just as much substantive content as the network evening news. Combined with studies that showed that about as many 18-29 year-olds got their news from it as from the network news and that Daily Show viewers tended to skepticism about government and the news media,  but confidence in their own political understanding, it gave a picture of a generation whose politics were substantially influenced by a fake news show on a comedy channel.

While many in my generation view that notion with considerable trepidation, I took it as essentially good news. The combination of faith in themselves and skepticism of those in power could result in voters who are more concerned with liberty, civil rights and such. The down side is that the skepticism could discourage them from voting, but that's a problem that can be worked, and in future posts I will address some of the ways that I see of doing this.

The Daily Show also provides another valuable service. It puts the mainstream press into a sharp and critical light. Probably the best known example of this is the president of CNN, Jonathan Klein's citing of Jon Stewart as one of the causes for the cancellation of Crossfire, a show that Stewart appeared on, accusing them of being bad for America, and that as a news show, he at least, had higher expectations of them than they did, expectations they failed to live up to.

Another example came up this week. Last week Wolfe Blitzer on his show The Situation Room had tried to question Vice President Dick Cheney on the negative statements made by his supporters regarding his lesbian daughter's pregnancy. The VP objected strenuously to the question even being asked. This week, Stewart did a long segment on whether the question was legitimate.

Chrissy Gephardt on The Daily ShowThe first part was a typical Daily Show satire, but the second half was an interview with Chrissy Gephardt, the openly gay daughter of Dick Gephardt who claimed it was a perfectly legitimate question. The way he conducted the interview was interesting and relevant. (If you haven't seen it, take the time to watch it at Comedy Central or iFilm.) Jon never actually mentioned that Chrissy was gay. Instead, he said that like Mary she is a political activist and the daughter of a national political figure, and interviewed her on how hard it is being the daughter of a politician, whether he chose to be a politician or was born that way, and whether politicians should have children. He then asked her if Wolfe's question was fair, and when she replied that it was, he framed the question of the hypocrisy of not defending people who are like your daughter in terms of the "hypothetical" case of segregationist Strom Thurmond having a black daughter.
                         
Turning the religious right's question of whether gays and lesbians should have children and the claim that the lives of such children are unfairly difficult around is both good humor, and as satire makes the point that who we are and the decisions we make can make life hard for our children, but that what is important is how we treat them, how we treat others, and whether we are honest and consistent in our beliefs and actions. It also kept the piece being about the issues rather than on who Mary and Chrissy are.

This segment stands out because:

  1. Jon asked a question that the mainstream media should have, but didn't.
  2. Chrissy was articulate, funny and made the point excellently.
  3. He assumed that the viewer knew that Chrissy was a lesbian and that Thurmond actually had a mixed-race daughter. It treated the audience as knowledgeable and intelligent.

What we have here is a "fake news" comedy show that treats its viewers and guests with respect and asks questions that mainstream journalism ought to be asking, but too often aren't. On the one hand, the good news is that someone is asking the questions and someone is getting through to young people. But that leaves us with the question of why it is up to a comedy show to examine the appropriateness of Wolfe's question? Many news media reported that Cheney rebuffed Blitzer's question as "out of line", and video media showed Wolfe's chagrin and awkward backpedaling, which carried the obvious implication that he recognized his guilt. But few brought up the issue of whether the question was actually out of line, or whether the criticisms, by people who helped get Cheney elected, of his daughter weren't even more out of line, or needing response.

A couple of days later Mary Cheney also criticized Blitzter's question and the media carried that, usually highlighting her statement that her baby "is a blessing from God. It is not a political statement. It is not a prop to be used in a debate by people on either side of an issue". Interestingly, that phrasing appeared within hours of Cheney's appearance on The Situation Room in a discussion of the show on an internet gossip site (emphasis is mine):

15. Cheney is obviously ashamed of his daughter, despite what he proclaims or he wouldn't have such a hissy-fit when asked a question like this. Cheney's in the public eye and should be accustomed to being asked this type of question repeatedly. It is an interesting news item. Here's a man who's aligned with a party that hates homosexuals, and the #2 man has a daughter that is gay. I found it rather interesting to hear it referred to on a news program some weeks back that Cheney's daughter's partner was the "wife", yet Cheney's daughter is the one pregnant. I guess in a confused relationship like this, gay women as husband's are now capable of having children; sort of like being the mom and dad rolled into one. I'm sure the kid will be loved, but it's also going to grow up really confused, which will lead to other psychological issues. Pity the child. Cheney's daughter is only concerned about herself and her partner; afterall, the kid is merely a political statement and a liefestyle choice prop.

Posted at 6:47PM on Jan 24th 2007 by TH

I suspect that it is no coincidence that when Mary spoke out a few days later she used the same wording as this comment. I suspect that it or a repetition of it reached her ears and was very hurtful, with its claim that her father is ashamed of her, that the party that both he and she campaigned for hates homosexuals, and that she is moved by selfishness rather than love.

Given that it led to such hurtful things being said, mightn't there be some truth to the claim that the question is over the line and shouldn't be asked? Doesn't she have a point that she deserves some privacy and respect? Yes. Those are valid points, and deserve consideration. But, the counterpoints that she is open about her sexuality, publicly announced the pregnancy, worked on her father's campaign, and has written a book about her life are also valid. And the issue didn't start on The Situation Room. Wolfe was only citing very negative, and probably quite hurtful claims made the Cheneys' political allies, and asking if they shouldn't be answered or rebutted. Is Wolfe more at fault for asking the father if he would care to reply to those who criticize his daughter than the ones actually criticizing her?

In the end, by the time that she has announced her pregnancy, the right has attacked her, Wolfe has brought the topic up, Cheney has rebuked him, and Mary has said that neither side should be using her baby, the issue of whether it was a legitimate question is an open issue, that you would expect the press to consider. And if it is out of line to ask the VP to address the topic, if Mary Cheney's pregnancy is nobody's business, how does that affect the whole issue of the privacy of gay and lesbian couples in general? Do they as a class deserve to be left alone, or is it just the families of the rich and powerful?

At the time that I wrote the above, the media had largely ignored most of the questions that the various situations raised. A few days later, Leonard Pitts, jr, of the Miami Herald addressed the issues head on. Back in December, Pitts had written:

I find it telling that Vice President Dick Cheney hews to the hard conservative line on virtually every social issue, except gay marriage. It is, of course, no coincidence that Cheney has a daughter who is a lesbian. Which tells me his position is based not on principle but, rather, on loving his daughter. It is a fine thing to love your daughter. I would argue, however, that it is also a fine thing and in some ways, a finer thing, to love your neighbor's daughter, no matter her sexual orientation, religion, race, creed or economic status—and to want her freedom as eagerly as you want your own.

After the abortive Situation Room interview, he wrote a column in which he managed to offend both the right and the left. On the matter of the propriety of the question, he sided with Chrissy Gephardt, and disagreed with Mary Cheney writing,

She is wrong. What Mary Cheney has in her womb is both a child and a political statement. One is reminded of how a simple act like drinking from a public fountain once became a political statement because some people said other people ought not have the right to do such things.

Similarly, although women all over America are carrying babies right now, Mary Cheney and any other lesbian woman who does the same unavoidably makes a political statement. Because some people believe they ought not have the right to do such things.

He also disagreed with Vice President Cheney's claim that Blitzer was "out of line."

He, too, is wrong. The Bush administration has used gays as Southern politicians once used (and often, still do use) blacks -- as scapegoats, boogeymen, distractions. Largely because of that, Heather Poe will have no legal parental rights to ''her'' child.

Dick Cheney is that administration's No. 2 official. So there is nothing ''out of line'' in asking him about any of this.

At the same time, perhaps surprisingly, he agreed with at least part of James Dobson's criticism of Mary and Heather's decision to have a baby specifically because he does see the baby as a statement, a tacit statement that fathers don't matter.

When this agreement resulted in Pitt being accused of being an anti-gay bigot, he wrote a second column explicating his position. The author of Becoming Dad: Black Men and the Journey to Fatherhood, Pitt's major concern is what he sees a diminution of fatherhood and the disintegration of the family, especially the black family:

But as 16 percent of white kids and a whopping 51 percent of black ones grow up father-free, facing all the difficulties that portends, I definitely have something against the idea, whether advanced by straight women or lesbians, that father is unnecessary, that so long as there's some uncle around to show a boy how to hit the mark in the toilet, everything is hunky dory.

Like Dobson, he cites

a growing body of research ... which tells us the child raised without his or her biological father is significantly more likely to live in poverty, do poorly in school, drop out altogether, become a teen parent, exhibit behavioral problems, smoke, drink, use drugs, or wind up in jail.

In her own response to the Situation Room interview, Mary specifically addressed these claims, saying:

"Every piece of remotely responsible research that has been done in the last 20 years on this issue has shown there is no difference between children who are raised by same-sex parents and children who are raised by opposite-sex parents. What matters is that children are being raised in a stable, loving environment."

As it turns out, both sides have a certain point. Dobson and Pitts are correct. Children from "broken homes" and the children of poor unwed mothers are at a great disadvantage, but what they are failing to recognize is that the world is far more complex than the simple black and white of their world view. That single mothers are often poor, unable to spend as much time as they would like or ought with their children and the trauma of divorce, death and desertion are all factors. At least as importantly, the world isn't divided into 2-parent+kids households and broken homes, and neither of those is the historical norm.

Most of humanity has lived in multi-generational extended families. One could with some justice argue that grandparentless households were just the first step on the path to the fatherless households. Beyond that, while the human lifespan has been three score and ten--seventy years--since Biblical times, many people died before reaching that age, and so these extended families were often missing some members, mothers, fathers, one or more grandparents or had substitutions, stepparents, aunts and uncles and such. Even when everyone was alive, often family members had to be away from the family for extended periods. As a descendant of generations of sea captains, I am well aware of this.

Families have always come in a wide number of shapes and sizes. Focusing on the 1950s Leave It To Beaver husband, wife, two or three kids and a dog model as the only healthy configuration is historically, sociologically and psychologically unjustified. As I said, Dobson and Pitt are correct, a healthy, rich family life is important to children. They are wrong in their narrow view of the limits of that life. And what we need as a society is an examination, an honest evaluation of what we can do to insure that as many families are as healthy as they can be.

And it is very very far from certain that denying Mary and Heather the right to build the best family that they can will help. It is almost certain that criticizing them in Time magazine, and condemning their family as unhealthy will not make life any easier for their child. It is unlikely that failing to defend your daughter's family when they are publicly condemned will help, or that the families of millions of other gays and lesbians will be helped by public figures failing to stand up for theirs.

This country desperately needs an actual public discussion of values and issues, not an exchange of hateful barbs and name calling, but a give and take wherein people actually listen and strive to learn. Wolfe appears to have tried to engage in such a discussion if rather crudely and half-heartedly. John Stewart and Chrissy Gephardt actually did a credible first step. Leonard Pitts wrote thoughtfully, and shows signs of being the sort of person who can listen.

One columnist and a comedy show is still a pretty weak showing though. As John Edwards is fond of saying, We're a better country than that. Or we can be.

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  •  Back in May, Mary appeared (6+ / 0-)

    on the Dave Letterman Show, and there was a diary written about here.

    Letterman questioned Mary about why, since she was in a great position to do so, she didn't do more to help other gay people to gain their civil rights.

    Mary's parents have taught her well the fine art of hypocracy.


    The religious fanatics didn't buy the republican party because it was virtuous, they bought it because it was for sale

    by nupstateny on Tue Feb 20, 2007 at 04:36:44 AM PDT

    •  Thank you (2+ / 0-)

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      Thank you for pointing that one out. I had missed that diary.

      The video it points to is gone now, but Crooks and Liars also has a posting on the Letterman appearance, and that one's video is still available, and I was able to watch it there.

      Good to see that Letterman strove to ask some of these questions. He did a credible job.

      •  Most of Mary's personal appearances (1+ / 0-)

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        have not been received well by her hosts, particularly by those that can see through what she's all about.

        She was on a daytime show after that where she asserted that she's entitled to privacy about this whole issue.  If privacy is what she wants, why is she  appearing on every show that'll have her?


        The religious fanatics didn't buy the republican party because it was virtuous, they bought it because it was for sale

        by nupstateny on Tue Feb 20, 2007 at 07:39:45 AM PDT

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  •  I am a single Mother of two boys. (5+ / 0-)

    I came from a broken home and a stepdad that drank and caused disruption in our family when he was around. I am a Nurse and the only one that went on to school from my family.  I had two sons both of which went to college. My sister had three children and all three went to college, and she had a husband. We are the shades of grey that the neo-cons don't see. Was it hard? Sure but well worth the effort. I gave my life to my kids and don't regret it one bit. Mary cheney has a long way ahead of her and I wish her luck.  I also wish that the cheneys would realize that they are talking out of both sides of their mouths.

    "Though the Mills of the Gods grind slowly,Yet they grind exceeding small."

    by Owllwoman on Tue Feb 20, 2007 at 04:41:48 AM PDT

    •  Every other family in America (3+ / 0-)

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      is a broken home either through divorce, separation, or death.  I have no idea of how many families consist of single parents who chose not to be married.  This is reality

      Dobson's advice to a single mom with a male child is to have a male adult bathe with her son so that he can see what men's adult genitiles look like. This is delusional.


      The religious fanatics didn't buy the republican party because it was virtuous, they bought it because it was for sale

      by nupstateny on Tue Feb 20, 2007 at 05:02:17 AM PDT

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  •  Very nicely done (3+ / 0-)

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    and Jon Stewart has shown his brilliance once again.

  •  dick cheney may not be embarassed (3+ / 0-)

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    actually, dick cheney doesn't have to be embarassed about his daughter's orientation. since the outrage over mentioning that mary cheney is gay blew up first in the debates of 2000, dick learned that he doesn't have to answer any questions if he doesn't want to; just throw a hissy fit and let the media blow the whole thing out of proportion, making a big old smokescreen so that things will continue as usual without him being held accountable for squat.

    "Procrastination is the thief of time." -- MLK jr.

    by jsepeta on Tue Feb 20, 2007 at 05:19:31 AM PDT

    •  Political expediency (0+ / 0-)

      I never got the impression that he was embarrassed about Mary being gay. I think he just subordinates his views on homosexuality, gay rights and such to what he thinks are more important issues, because he knows that his base wouldn't approve.

      Given that, I think he feels cornered when people push him to disagree with the people he needs the support of and threatening Cheney doesn't result in anything good happening.

      Face it, he's an important member of an administration that is willing to sacrifice Constitutionally protected rights and privileges for security, and turn a blind eye or cooperate in major private sector corruption in the prosecution of the "War on terror", and to arrogate power into the executive and his own "4th" branches of government to achieve their ends. A little bit of snookering his base as to his beliefs and a bit of sacrificing of the rights of his own daughter and those who are like her isn't going to make him all that embarrassed. It may make him feel a bit guilty, angry and defensive, though.

      Just my 2 cents.

  •  just this week (2+ / 0-)

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    That single mothers are often poor, unable to spend as much time as they would like or ought with their children and the trauma of divorce, death and desertion are all factors. At least as importantly, the world isn't divided into 2-parent+kids households and broken homes, and neither of those is the historical norm.

    WPR's program-with Kathleen Dunn(guest Host Peter Donaldson) Monday had a guest on discussing how Britian and America are dead last among industralized nations in child welfare.

    The guest made the point that in social democracies, that the "dog eat dog" world of neo-capitalism is not the business model. The people are wiling to put up with higher taxes in order to provide things like one parent being able to stay home with their children for four to five years-35 hour work weeks, national health care, and this would include single parent homes. Because socialist democracies in Western Europe are actively involved in the general welfare of their people, there are better outcomes for their children.

    The guest also made two other points. One, because to make a living in America(and I am not talking 5,000 dollar big screen HDTV tvs, I am talking about the bare basics with maybe a little leftover from making a living to also making a life-culture, entertainment, etc) takes so much time and effort-40+ workweeks, absymally low unpaid maternity leave/sick leaves, that there is no time for a family to be together to instill values, support education, etc.  In other industrialized countries with higher child welfare ratings, wealth is taxed at a higher rate, so people don't work so hard to be wealthy, but they have better child welfare outcomes. So what I guess I got from all that was that these countries are actually sacrficing the "self-interest" of being wealthy (either through becoming wealthy and putting up with higher taxes because of that, or not working the long hours needed to be materially wealthy)for their children.

    The other point the guest made was that developing countries have observed America's "dog eat dog neo-capitalism"(guest's term, not mine) and have decided that they don't want to be in that game, that America's capitalism is not beneficial for their country or their people, and are actually modeling the social democracies of Western Europe.

    And, as a personal experience on the capitalism comments. I go into people's homes all the time. Most of my clients are extremely materially wealthy.(I have to admit, being blue collar I have a bias against obscene wealth, but I am working on it.) However, they also have a child with special needs, in my case autsim. Now, I am really, really, really great at what I do, and I throw myself passionately into my work. And, because I don't have a degree in OT, or PT, or Education, my rates are really quite low, and I offer a sliding fee scale to my clients. However, I often go into a home for an observation, see the M-Class SUV for mom in the driveway, see the 10 room mansion with indoor pool, dad pulls up in his BMW, mom has designer clothes on, kid has designer clothes on, beautiful kitchen, one flat panel TV on the wall, the playroom has big screen TV, toys everywhere. I do my observation, go back for the follow-up meeting, mom and dad are so psyched to have me, are enthusatic about how I work and my programs, then I had them my rate sheet. The parents look at this and go-$25.00 per hour? (which is 2/3rds less than any other therapist out there) And they say-"we can't afford that" And I kind of feel bad, and think I should lower my rates, and then I hear this. "all this therapy is so expensive, we had to cancel are trip to Europe last fall, and I really want to move into X school district, they have that hot new STEP program, but we would have to downsize our house, (like I said, 3 people live in a 10 room mansion). And I used to take a deep breath, and say-"well, you have your values which are important to you, and I can see where you think my rates expensive, and having children does require a lot of personal sacrifices, but my rates are firm, you have my number, but I probably will book up soon." I shake their hands, and leave.

    Now days, being the bitch I have developed into, I now am brutally fucking honest, well okay, not honest, just fucking brutal, and I say. "You know, I am sorry you have an autistic child, and I know you didn't plan for this and spending money are expensive things like cars, clothes and TVs are really important to you, I can see that.  but you have an option. You can contact the DCFS, tell them that you want to make your child a ward of the state, and your child can go live in a state run facility., my rates are firm, and I will be happy to work with you should you change your mind."

    Probably explains why I am low on clients right now.

    •  your sliding scale... (1+ / 0-)

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      should slide up as well as down. we live in a world with truly skewed values.
      tung sol

      'cause you're the green manalishi with the two prong crown--Peter Green, Green Manalishi

      by tung sol on Tue Feb 20, 2007 at 09:22:35 AM PDT

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      •  tung.. (2+ / 0-)

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        they do slide up. I start at 25.00 and go up to 45.00, and I probably should charge more for what I do.

        Here is an idea of a client who hired me to work as a parent coach/model on compliance issues, so you all can see if I am being fair or not.

        first at least a two hour observation in the child's home with parents and child going about daily routine. Sometimes, if child is having problems elsewhere, (grandma's home, etc), I go there. Most times I stay for four to five hours, and if eating and bedtimes are an issue I stay the entire day/night.

        I go home I write a "report" on my observations. I read through the parent questionaire. I write a proposal, complete with goals, and plans to achieve these goals using what I call "saturation therapy" which is rooted in my ABA training. (This is how saturation therapy works-if we are working on compiliance of teaching the child to come when called- we run formal table time drill, then during lunch we set up "planned" informal times when the child is told to come here, we go on an outing, where we work on coming here, more formal table time.  Anytime I can think of to get a child to "come here", I will run the drill, as well as do it at formal table time drill, that kid is saturated with every opportunity to learn come here, and depending on the severity of the child's autism, the parents' commitment to doing drill, in most cases, my goal of having the child "come here" four out of five times without prompts or renforcers-"rewards"  occurs within two weeks)

        I don't charge for any of that.

        Then, I go meet with the parents. I give them my initial report, I show them the goals I crafted from their questionaire, I show them my plan, I do some training with them. I ask them to sign an agreement for 1 month, to be reviewed at the end of the month and ask them to take 3 days, think about it and I will call them to see if they would like to proceed.
        I give them my rate sheet, explain my fees, give them a possible payment plan or tell them I will work with them to create a fair payment plan.

        In three days, I call, schedule their time in, fine tune any goals or plans that don't fit with the parent values, email that over to them.

        Then, i go to their house at the scheduled time, work with their child, model for the parents, what to do when the child doesn't come here, coach the parent, create informal settings for the child to practice "come here". Stand back and let the parents try out "come here"...give them coaching and immediate feedback...and at the end of two hours or longer if the child decided to have a temper trantrum, go home or to my next client.

        I also check up with my families do impromptu phone calls, take their phone calls, stop by if they are having problems, and just am generally as supportive as I can be while the parents and child are learning a new skill.

        Now, I also do in home tutoring, sometimes do enrichment programs with kids-which requires me to devise lesson plans-run ABA programs written by other ABA therapists, and a lot of other things. What I am famous for is for potty training autistic children. (I am self-publishing my book next month!)

        I try to keep in mind that my fees aren't covered by insurance, and this is all out of pocket. I try to be as efficient and quick and do much more training with the parents-to paraphrase Heros-change the parent, change the child. My whole goal is to work myself out of a job. In the case of the above compliance training, I feel if I have been at a home for more than three months and the kid still doesn't listen I have failed as a parent coach and child therapist. Bearing in mind I am not officially a degree holder in "traditional" therapies-OT, ABA, Psychology, or PT SLP, I really keep my rates low, and I feel I have to work twice as hard to be considered half as good as the degree holders. I also know that my clients progress faster with me, learn more applicable life and social skills-like I said yesterday-boy, your child has been smearing shaving cream around the mirror for a year now, and he is capable of dressing himself and yet your OT hasn't taught him that in over a year? Like to tell me why you are paying an Occupational therapist 175.00 USD per 50 minutes again?-and generally families become less stressed once they have a game plan some strategies to follow. (I emphasized occupational because one of a kid's occupations is to learn to take care of himself, so it would make sense that an OT would spend some time teaching a kid to dress himself-and it wouldn't have to cut into shaving cream smearing time all that much)

        So, I don't know, do I charge too much with starting at 25.00 per hour-and yes, that is a full freaking hour-none of this 45 minute crapola-maybe. Could I charge more-perhaps...because the bottom line is I love kids. I have had my heart stolen more times than I can count by my little guys and girls. I tend to really truly love kids and want whatever is best for them. How can you ever give  someone enough compensation for loving your kid? How do I even begin to write a rate sheet for that kind of dedicated love to children?

        Once again, I vent. Sorry, I should switch to an online journal for this kind of stuff.

        •  thanks for such a... (1+ / 0-)

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          thorough response. your obvious love of children and the service that you provide is worth more than you charge. unfortunately many people can't see past the driveway when it comes to affecting the reality surrounding them. thank you for all you do for the child (and parents) as well as what you provide for the community at large. this country doesn't want to see or deal with the escalating problem of autism, disabilites and mr, and it will be even more prevalent in the future. much success with the book, and know that you are doing the work of angels (and thats from a heathen).
          tung sol

          'cause you're the green manalishi with the two prong crown--Peter Green, Green Manalishi

          by tung sol on Wed Feb 21, 2007 at 09:39:01 AM PDT

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        •  I have no idea how I stumbled onto this comment (0+ / 0-)

          but since I'm here, I've got to tell you something.

          I often find myself remarking about certain people that there is a special place in hell waiting for them.

          There is an extra special place waiting for you, I hope it is whatever and wherever you want it to be!

          Cheers!

          Never confuse kindness and patience with stupidity and weakness!!

          by Joes Steven on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 11:08:09 PM PDT

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