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Army Surgeon Gen. BLAMES TROOPS for Walter Reed mess

Thu Feb 22, 2007 at 07:27:54 AM PDT

On last night's NewsHour, US Army Surgeon General Kevin Kiley served-up a banquet of BS to explain the media-exposed mess at Walter Reed that occurred under his command:

But, remember, more than half the rooms were actually perfectly OK. And those that are problems like mold, there were only about seven of them that had that. The mice and cockroach issue was something that, in fact, the command did address last year, and that was due to soldiers leaving food in their rooms. We policed that up, and the rodent problem and cockroach problem has been corrected.

That's accountability from the man in charge of all the Army's hospitals.

It gets worse --much worse-- below the fold.

Judy Woodruff interviewed Lt. Gen. Kiley along with Steve Robinson of Veterans for America. As Army Surgeon General, Kiley is responsible for all of the Army's medical facilities; he was even commander of Walter Reed Hospital from 2002-2004.

On NewsHour, Lt. Gen. Kiley dissembled and evaded responsibility at every turn, minimizing the horrible conditions at Walter Reed and, as testvet6778 diaried yesterday, pushing the spin that the lowest-ranking NCO's were to blame.

But Kiley spun from even lower-down in the Bush Administration gutter, blaming the recovering combat troops who were entrusted to his care, and then lying about the rodent problem:

JUDY WOODRUFF: Were you aware, Steve Robinson, that the conditions were what have been laid out by the Post?

STEPHEN ROBINSON: Yes, I have been in that facility before.

JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, General Kiley, if someone like Mr. Robinson, who is not in the military, but in a veterans organization, was aware, how is it that the military itself was not aware?

LT. GEN. KEVIN KILEY: Well, I think it's not that we weren't aware that that building needs and requires continued maintenance and upkeep. And since 2001, we've had two overhauls and one major renovation.

In the last year, we've done over 200 what we call "work orders" to fix things that were, again, reported in the paper. It's an old building. You can walk into it today, and if you walk into it six months from now, you're going to find issues.

Senior leaders, platoon sergeants, company commanders, brigade commanders should be walking through those facilities at least on some kind of a periodic basis. But, remember, more than half the rooms were actually perfectly OK.

And those that are problems like mold, there were only about seven of them that had that. The mice and cockroach issue was something that, in fact, the command did address last year, and that was due to soldiers leaving food in their rooms. We policed that up, and the rodent problem and cockroach problem has been corrected.

JUDY WOODRUFF: But the problem still existed as of this week.

LT. GEN. KEVIN KILEY: Well, I'm not sure about mice. I'm not sure about rodents. I think mold recurs. The HVAC system and the plumbing system in that building are old. They probably need to be replaced, and that's our intent to do those things.

It's hard to decide which is more appalling: that Kiley would lie about the rodent infestation or he would do so in such transparent, pathetic fashion...

But to fully appreciate Kiley's rank duplicity, you must listen to the audio of his remark earlier in the above quote: "Senior leaders...should be walking through those facilities at least on some kind of a periodic basis".

The transcript doesn't capture Gen. Kiley balking as he considers stating an actual time frame for those "periodic" walk-throughs. He either doesn't know what they are, or knows that they have been so outrageously rare that he won't tell us. Kiley has some serious 'splainin to do --ideally under oath in a Congressional investigation.

To ensure that every American is insulted, Gen. Kiley closes with this zinger:

JUDY WOODRUFF: How do you feel about all this?

LT. GEN. KEVIN KILEY: Well, I will tell you that I continue to be extremely proud of Walter Reed, the staff. As I said this morning at a town hall meeting, I jog around the compound in the morning, and the staff are there at 5:00 and 5:30 in the morning ready to take care of patients.

I think, as the vice has said, we're going to get on this right away, get it fixed.

Heckuva job, Kiley. Too bad you weren't as dedicated to walking through the wounded and rodent-filled corridors of Walter Reed as you were jogging around it.

UPDATE: I'm told that this morning Don Imus played clips of the Kiley interview and then went-off on an particularly long and harsh tirade of insults and criticism. If anyone can locate an audio link or transcript, please share it.

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  •  It's tough (26+ / 0-)

    It's tough to clean up food from your rooms if you have no arms and legs or if you have head injuries.

    When did we lose all of our leaders and have them replaced by all this cardboard?

    Oh yeah, the rot started at the top.

  •  Soldiers leaving food in their rooms? (11+ / 0-)

    Which soldiers? The one's who've had their legs blown off?

    •  Yes - ABC Showed . . . (2+ / 0-)

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      Black Max, dannyinla

      the distance to the various buildings on Walter Reed, and many of them are quite long hikes - even for the able bodied.

      This is a moral out rage that had better not drop off the American public's radar screen!

    •  Where are they supposed to eat? (1+ / 0-)

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      dannyinla

      I suppose they must hike to a dining hall.  Or maybe they can run to catch a shuttle bus?  /snark

    •  I know this may sound weird... (1+ / 0-)

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      dannyinla

      ...but yeah. The one's who've had their legs blown off.

      I haven't been injured like that, so I don't have any clue what challenges these men face.

      But if they are like the men I served with, there could be nothing more damaging to their morale than leaving them with the impression that less is expected of them. That they aren't real soldiers anymore.

      Making demands on them that require effort and discipline, IMO, actually help in boosting their morale. Sounds a little counter-intuitive, but that's my take.

      The Multinationals and the Religious Right have identical goals: Profit from war, ignorance and fear...and the GOP is their Party.

      by dj angst on Thu Feb 22, 2007 at 09:20:22 AM PDT

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      •  I agree completely (0+ / 0-)

        that these men expect a great deal from themselves. The comment, as I think you understand, is a reaction to blaming soldiers for leaving food in their rooms. Even if it's true - the man is a jackass for saying so.

  •  Salon report two years ago! (4+ / 0-)

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    It would be nice if they were getting a little credit.  Also military times on related issues.

  •  I was offended (14+ / 0-)

    that General Kiley appeared on the program in a camouflage uniform. He is presumably a desk jockey in his current role, but he dressed up like a front-line soldier to make his words seem more credible.

  •  more than half the rooms were ... perfectly okay! (5+ / 0-)

    I feel you pain, General. Why can't our country be satisfied with that?!

    I'm important, and everyone else is too. - G.K. Chesterton

    by fairleft on Thu Feb 22, 2007 at 07:33:49 AM PDT

  •  I apologize in advance... (12+ / 0-)

    ..for the white-hot FURY I felt when I watched that worthless pieceofshit excuse for human protoplasm start blaming wounded veterans for not replacing their own mold-infested drywall, for not re-wiring their rooms, for not spraying Tilex around the bathrooms every day to keep the mold at bay...
     Excuse me General Kiley - but these people are hurt!  they are wounded.  They are missing arms, legs, hands, bellies, and sometimes parts of their skulls and their minds.  They are the people whose blood got left back there in Iraq, and you expect them to do their own Hospital Repair and Disinfecting?
     Excuse me, General Lowerthanpondscum - why aren't YOU doing that for these veterans yourself, instead of just smearing them from the comfort of the television studio???????????????????????

    In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. - George Orwell

    by drchelo on Thu Feb 22, 2007 at 07:40:43 AM PDT

    •  His third hand was busy too! (2+ / 0-)

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      Black Max, drchelo

      It was found on his dick, with the other two. What do you expect from these creeps?

      Sic Transit Gloria Locavore!

      by Asinus Asinum Fricat on Thu Feb 22, 2007 at 07:46:13 AM PDT

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    •  It's unbelievable, isn't it? (7+ / 0-)

      Can you imagine if a mere motel owner responded to a citation for roaches & rodents by blaming their customers?

      Any fast food restaurant manager would be fired for the kind of response we're getting from a Flag Officer about treatment of our wounded combat veterans.

      •  I kept thinking that the average motel (3+ / 0-)

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        above the lowest of the lowest standard generally keeps rodents, pests and mold to a minimum.  I'm not sure why the Army can't handle at least that.

        I heard a report this morning about his comments and the news presenter finished the piece by saying that some soldiers had said they thought it was okay and that it was better than the condidtions they experienced in Iraq (!!??!) - the presenter offered none of these soldiers interviews on camera or anythin (leading me to wonder if they even exist) and WTF? are we saying that its okay for them to live like this as long as it is not as bad as what they lived through in Iraq???

      •  Well, we wouldn't trust our (2+ / 0-)

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        Commander in Chief to fry McNuggets, so why would we trust "Dr." Kiley to manage a fast food restaurant?

        The author of The Peter Principle must hammer his head into the wall every single day.

    •  Outrageous (3+ / 0-)

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      I can't believe the conditions the injured are expected to endure.  I'm guessing the poor physical conditions are just the tip of the iceberg.  Not surprised, though, that they are expected to do their own cleaning.  I gave birth in an Army hospital, and on the way to my room afterwards, the linen supply room was pointed out to me.  Which I found bizarre until someone explained to me that unless you had a c-section, you were expected to change your own sheets.  I heard from others that soldiers, unless they were in really bad shape, were also expected to do for themselves.  

  •  VA vs the DAV -- are you ready to RUMBLE ? (10+ / 0-)

    Probably not.  The Disabled American Veterans organization isn't the American Legion, but it isn't the Soldiers Union, either.

    According to Randi Rhodes on Air America this Tuesday , it seems the treatment of wounded Iraq vets is a lot worse than a little vermin infestation in the wards.

    Basically, the department of Veterans affairs has been finding all kinds of cute tricks to muster out the wounded without pensions and without healthcare, through a medical evaluation process that relies on the idea that disabled soldiers want to go home so badly that after 8 months stuck 'medical evaluation assignment' duty  they will agree to minimal disability pensions and no ongoing care just to be discharged.

    Losing paperwork and taking advantage of soldier's errors in filling out forms is one favorite tactic.

    Deciding that current disabilities are the result of pre-existing conditions that ... so sorry ... were not identified during recruitment and training, is another.

    And as for PTSD and other psychological ailments ... well, not all VA psychiatrists are completely convinced that combat causes psychological trauma to the degree that any disability pensions, or post-discharge ongoing care is warrented.  ("Suck it up trooper" -- slap!)

    But this is my favorite:  A soldier enlists and recieves a $10,000 signing bonus.  After 2 years service, the soldier loses a leg in combat, and having no useful non-combattant skills is honorably discharged. HOWEVER, the soldier must RETURN the enlistment bonus ... which, by the way  ... has been spent on things like rent and clothing for his family. The Army 'puts the account out for collection.'

    It's a vicious,  penny pinching, mean little policy -- typical of the Rumsfield  "lean and mean" fantasy of War-on-a-Budget.

    So, to those considering joining the new all volunteer Army Strong Army remember:

    You are paid to stop a bullet
    It is a soldier's job they say
    Then you goes and stops a bullet
    And they goes and stops your pay

    ------------  Spoon River Anthology

    •  You're right - it's much bigger (1+ / 0-)

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      Black Max

      Unfortunately, it takes something with shock-value --especially something visual-- to get people to pay any attention. The thought of dysfunctional paperwork requirements doesn't elicit the visceral disgust that rats and roaches in a hospital ward do.

  •  Actually, I believe... (2+ / 0-)

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    TracieLynn, mango

    he shouls fix the mess.  Then removed from his command.  Then court-martialed.  Then he can become a foxpert with the rest of the faux experts they employ.

  •  They were too busy remodeling Gitmo n/t (2+ / 0-)

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  •  He IS Partially Right About One Thing (2+ / 0-)

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    Inland, esquimaux
    It took a BUNCH of people not doing their jobs for those conditions to persist, starting with him and running all the way down to whatever NCO(s) was/were directly responsible for the "plant".

    Doesn't relieve any of the responsibility from Kiley, but there's plenty to go around.

    We have no intention of prosecuting Rush Limbaugh because lying through your teeth and being stupid isn't a crime.

    by The Baculum King on Thu Feb 22, 2007 at 08:13:57 AM PDT

  •  yeah lots of hospitals let the rooms (6+ / 0-)

    get so dirty that insects and rodents move in

      Freakin amputees are always droppin stuff

    fouls, excesses and immoderate behavior are scored ZERO at Over the Line, Smokey!

    by seesdifferent on Thu Feb 22, 2007 at 08:24:45 AM PDT

  •  Lyndie England! (0+ / 0-)

    I knew she was behind this! Damn those enlisted people - damn them to hell!

    Oh. But don't forget to support them. They are heroes, every one of them. Except when they complicate a general's life, of course.

    You kids behave or I'm turning this universe around RIGHT NOW! - god

    by Clem Yeobright on Thu Feb 22, 2007 at 08:31:18 AM PDT

  •  I am always shocked (3+ / 0-)

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    Everyone knows veteran care is always substandard and the government is always looking for a way to evade its responsibilities. Billions for equipment, nothing for veterans.

    If I had a kid thinking about joining the service, I'd have him or her talk to a disabled vet, just so that they know what they are REALLY signing up for.

    (Bush) believes the same thing Wednesday that he believed on Monday, no matter what happened Tuesday. -- Colbert

    by makemefree on Thu Feb 22, 2007 at 08:34:55 AM PDT

  •  its obvious... (0+ / 0-)

    we need to rid the services of the lower rank and have nothing but officers carrying out all assignments. then the healthcare and accomodations would be equal to their rank. this is an abomination, maybe someone should frag kiley.
    tung sol

    'cause you're the green manalishi with the two prong crown--Peter Green, Green Manalishi

    by tung sol on Thu Feb 22, 2007 at 09:08:30 AM PDT

  •  I'm not going to defend Gen. Kiley (2+ / 0-)

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    But there are some Military issues which may help us understand how this whole thing is "supposed" to work:

    As the Commanding General, he should be doing a walkthrough annually. Yes, Annually...maybe twice a year.

    Under every officer is an NCO. Under Kiley there is likely a Command Sergeant Major. Day to day functions like Bullets, Bandaids, Chow & Morale are the responsibility of the NCO.

    Ideally the situation goes like this: "Sergeant Major, I need you to do XYZ by this date to this standard." The proper response is "Sir, it's already done."

    Now if it isn't actually done, it's the officer's ass, but it's the NCO who does the inspecting on a regular basis. And shit rolls down hill, so the General should be immediatly relieved and his senior NCO's should be retired or reduced in rank.

    The lower down the ranks of the Chain of Command, the more frequent the inspections. So daily, for those soldiers physically capable to do so, policing, repair and cleaning details would be organized by the NCOIC.

    That was one of the reasons to have these Barracks-like facilities: so that these wounded soldiers don't get dumped off into a confusing civilian world without others in similar situations who share their experince.

    The part that confused me is that bit I heard about "We had work-orders in...". To get repairs to the walls and basic plumbing? I think that might be part of the problem with privatization of the military, because in the day, we never would have asked civilian contractors to do basic repairs that we could do easily.

    So this was kind of rambling, but the basic gist of what the General said is correct. And IIRC he said he was taking responsibility, but at this point, I think his responsibility to fix what's wrong has passed and that falls to whomever takes over his command.

    The Multinationals and the Religious Right have identical goals: Profit from war, ignorance and fear...and the GOP is their Party.

    by dj angst on Thu Feb 22, 2007 at 09:14:15 AM PDT

    •  Re: work orders (2+ / 0-)

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      On any installation there are many civilian employees, and havebeen for many years, who do maintenance, yard cleaning, electrical work, etc...

      I think the crux of the matter is that the DoD doesn't have enough, and/ or is trying to maintain 60 year lod 'temporary' buildings.

      Much of my military time was spent in 'temporary' buildings from WWII, still in use in the 1970s-1990s. Many of these buildings had been condemned, but because the Reagan Administration built boondogles, not living quarters, soldiers were housed in them.

      "Many people did not care for Pat Buchanan's speech; it probably sounded better in the original German," Molly Ivins, 1992

      by jeffinalabama on Thu Feb 22, 2007 at 09:28:51 AM PDT

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    •  How does that account for his continued ignorance (0+ / 0-)

      of even the quality control process (the frequency of physical inspections) used in the very hospital he commanded just two years ago? He didn't even brush-up on basic facts before the interview...

      When you compare Kiley's behavior to that of, say, a major league sports team owner, it's clear that he and a host of other senior people were derelict of duty. A team president or GM who wants to win championships and build a loyal fan base spare no effort to recruit top talent and keep themselves informed about the satisfaction of fans who attend to games.

      That's because unhappy customers will take their business elsewhere.

      A lot of people have been complaining about Veteran care at Walter Reed --including the staffing and facilities--  for a long time, but Gen. Kiley --the equivalent of a GM or team president-- was deliberately indifferent.

      His "customers" don't have the option of taking their business elsewhere.

      I think that our veterans deserve leadership that is at least as committed, attentive and capable as what professional sports teams get.

    •  Navy Wife for 15 years of an E. (0+ / 0-)

      Navy WIfe whose religion was "devout civlian" also.  

      What gets done and doesn't get done reflects the concerns of the Top Brass.  People follow their lead. One squadron my hsuband was in, was a fuckign disaster becasue the brass were a bunch of assholes. In the end, when they had to retire a squadron, they chose that one, because the rep was so tarnished that  it was impossible to reform it.

      His last squadron, on the other hand, had a skipper who cared deeply about the mission and the men who worked for him. He cared about the families as well. It was a premium group to get into--people begged to go there, but THEY did the choosing and you didn't get orders unles syou were on their wish list. The whole squadron followed the lead of that skipper.

      This general didn't give a shit when he was in charge of Reed, and he doesn't care now. Neither does his successor at Reed.  

      The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

      by irishwitch on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 02:51:55 AM PDT

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  •  Veterans=Katrina Victims (1+ / 0-)

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    irishwitch

    The head of the Army is responsible for Walter Reed as well as the levees that failed in New Orleans.  The same problems exist for both victims: mice, rats, PTSD, mold.  

  •  this guy's due for a medal of freedom (0+ / 0-)

    blame the wounded troops for leaving food scraps lying around. maybe there's a cabinet post for him.

  •  The attitude is TYPICAL. (0+ / 0-)

    When in doubt blame the guy on the lowest rung.

    It's also typical of the way some bases are run.  WHen we lived in ME<base housing for Es was substndard. I've tutored in the ghetto in D.C., and this housing was as bad or worse.  The only reason people wanted to live ther was that heat was free, so you weren't shelling out 3-400 bucks a month for 6 months of the year on heat.  Also, the amount allotted for offbase housing was at least $200 short of the actual monthly rental. Os housing was three tiems as large, and kept in good repair.</p>

    I have to wonder hwo the injured Os are doing at Reed. I canbet they are not living with mold on the walls.  And mold ont he walls is a sign of some seriosu problems witht he walls--normally you only get it in bathrooms. There is water damage of soemsort.

    The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

    by irishwitch on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 02:45:44 AM PDT

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