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A long, hard road for the U.S.

Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 12:44:12 PM PDT

It will be a long, hard road for the United States to get back to a position of trust with even its international allies given not just the disaster that is Bush II, but several presidencies before it.

It was suggested within the Kucinich thread that any Democrat would improve relations with the U.S.'s international allies (presumably meaning the Western democracies and other highly developed democracies like Japan) merely by not being closely tied to Bush.

I would beg to differ.  Too may years of stone-faced uncooperation from the U.S. has made all of us in the rest of the world entirely too skeptical of any U.S. administration.

It's going to take a lot more than just not being Bush to win back the U.S.'s former allies in the Western Bloc.  Support for the U.S. in general has been plummeting since the 1980s thanks to a series of presidents who have been, from the position of the political mainstream in these countries, completely unpalatable both on foreign policy and on issues of international cooperation.  Clinton was, in general, not an exception although he earned significant brownie points over Yugoslavia and generally by the end of his term had restored a small amount of trust on the military/security side.

However, on the non-military aspects of foreign relations, the U.S. is still considered the absolute pits.  I think in general (in circles like trade, the environment, and international cooperation) the consensus is that the U.S.'s word isn't worth a fiat dollar, on any subject, and that goes whether a Democrat or a Republican is the one flapping his gums behind the podium.  Not even Conservatives in this country (Canada), who are essentially a branch plant of the Republican Party, take the U.S. seriously at all on crucial matters like trade or border security.  (Matters crucial not just to Canada, but to the U.S. - Canada is the U.S.'s largest trading partner).

(When I say "political mainstream" in the liberal democracies of the West, that's approximately equivalent to the mainstream left as it would be in the U.S.)

We (and I see this in mainstream opinion in Europe, and the other "middle powers", as much as in Canada) are not going to coming back to some Democratic president with open arms just because they claim to have some magic fairies plan to pull U.S. troops out of Iraq.  It's going to take serious coalition-building, serious fence-mending, and a serious willingness to do the work that's been pissed away over much of the last decade as the U.S. have tried to throw roadblocks in the way of every major international initiative I can think of.

In short, before you guys get anyone else to play along, you're going to have to elect an Administration that is serious about being a team player and a principled negotiator, and not picking up their ball and going home in a huff every time something happens or someone says something that they don't like.  We haven't seen anyone in the White House like that for a long time, certainly not since Ronald Reagan.  And I have to say, from what I see of the candidate roster, there aren't many in the race who can be taken seriously by the world on international issues.  Certainly not the three perceived front-runners.

The U.S. is the ten-ton elephant in world affairs.  You can get a lot done just by stamping your feet.  But ultimately, if the U.S. wants to accomplish much more than just scaring what it wants out of other countries (or buying, like in China) then it's going to have to return to honesty.  Which has never seemed further off.

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      I didn't come out and say it, but Bill Richardson would also, I think, be treated with respect.  At least the world would be willing to listen.

      And in the end any Democrat could make a case for themselves, but it seems to be an issue off the radar for the frontrunners.

      Without a struggle, there can be no progress. -Douglass

      by Tybalt on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 12:59:37 PM PDT

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  •  For the Foreseeable Future... (2+ / 0-)

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    ....a president with the policies and viewpoints of Bill Clinton is about as good as you are going to get out of the voters of this country..

    And I say that not to be in your face or with a spirit of bravado. That is just the political reality that exists in the United States today.

    A number of things need to occur within the United States before that political reality will change significantly.

    I'm as sorry about that as anybody...but I do not see anything like the mea culpa that you would like to see being offered from this country to the rest of the world for its past sins occurring anytime in the near future..

    And that saddens me as much as it frustrates you.

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    "Every good Christian should line up and kick Jerry Falwell's ass." ------Barry Goldwater

    by chicagorich on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 01:00:39 PM PDT

    •  I don't think that's the issue (0+ / 0-)

      Policies and viewpoints are what they are.  I don't even think the rest of the world would mind a Republican president, provided that they were an honest broker and didn't work to pull apart and sabotage international co-operation pour le sport.

      Additionally, no one is asking for apologies for past sins.  This is about issues going forward.  Frankly, most of the rest of the world could care less that the U.S. has been a bad boy and done mean things.  That isn't the point... the point is, the U.S. can't be trusted even when it's on side with the rest of us.

      That's what is sad.  I love the U.S., and Americans, and to see them abused in this way breaks my heart.

      Without a struggle, there can be no progress. -Douglass

      by Tybalt on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 01:05:49 PM PDT

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      •  In Order to Change the Future... (1+ / 0-)

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        ...first...the mistakes and errors of the past will need to be fully confronted, debated and ultimately rejected by the electorate in the United States.

        Then..maybe..we can create an environment..if not of trust..an environment where the rest of the world is at least willing to give the US the benefit of the doubt that it is trying to do better...

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        "Every good Christian should line up and kick Jerry Falwell's ass." ------Barry Goldwater

        by chicagorich on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 01:16:06 PM PDT

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  •  Doubtful -- I Think Rather a Lot of Leaders (0+ / 0-)

    can tell the difference between the present massive treatybreaking irrelevant-accusing serial invader and all the other recent presidents.

    And I think leaders who may need to collaborate or at least try to contain the US recongnize the difference between the massive treatybreaking irrelevant-accusing serial invaders that are Neocons and the other types of leadership and movements within the US.

    The world coped with the USSR for a lifetime and put a lot of energy into understanding the differences between their internal factions and leadership. They'll do the same for us, they'd be crazy not to.

    BTW I seem to recall Clinton spending some of the last hours of his Administration negotiating with Palestine and Israel. Now I live near the border so I'm aware of many longstanding irritations between the US and Canada, but overall I don't get the characterization that he like all the others was constantly picking up our nation's ball and running home.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 01:45:51 PM PDT

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