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[YKos Ed/Up] Serving Students Better Through School Reform

Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 05:09:59 AM PDT

This diary is part of a series leading up to an education panel discussion at Yearly Kos. It follows several diaries on the history of education and a diary on curriculum. This diary focuses on the students. In the coming weeks, Mi Corazon will have diaries about teachers.

Summary of Recommendations in this diary:

  • Structure schools to encourage personal relationships
  • Get more from assessment
  • Provide a safe and positive environment
  • Meet the physical needs of students
  • Increase funding of Title One and return its focus to helping students
  • Provide more help to students before they enter and after they leave elementary and secondary school
  • Fund IDEA (for students with disabilities)

Some people view education as a triangle consisting of students, teachers, and curriculum. This diary will look at some basic ways to improve education without considering changes to teachers and curriculum. (Our group has other diaries to focus on those important subjects.) Our nation has over seventy million students, and, as we all know, every one of them is unique.

Some of the changes needed to our educational system are directed at certain subgroups, though even these changes will affect everybody indirectly, while others are directed at all, or almost all, students. I will start with the changes that will impact everybody.

STRUCTURE SCHOOLS TO ENCOURAGE PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS

One basic human need is the need to have a relationship. One of the needs that a school can fulfill is the creation of relationships across generations. Many students already have such a bond thanks to their family and neighbors, but one of the greatest thing schools can do is provide an extra link and, in the case of students without other adults playing a significant and positive role in their lives, schools can provide that relationship.

Unfortunately, in many middle schools, high schools, and colleges students spend their time in large, short classes which do not do a good job of facilitating positive relationships. Many teachers in such situations do not get a chance to see students beyond a single subject area.

Here are some ways that schools can facilitate strong relationships between students and teachers. It is not necessary for schools to do all of these things:

  1. "Self-contained classes": These are common in elementary schools, the idea being that one teacher spends several hours a day with a single class of students and works with them in a variety of areas. This works best when there are twenty or fewer students per teacher. This can be modified somewhat, especially as students get older, so that two or three teachers are given primary responsibility for the student. Problems arise when each student has at least five teachers, each teacher has over one hundred students, and no teacher looks at the overall well-being of the student.
  1. Advisory system: A system in which a teacher is assigned a group of about twenty students. The teacher meets the parents, has individual conversations with the students, works on the overall educational program of the students, and preferably stays with the student for several years.
  1. Small School or School Within A School: A group of at most one hundred students all have the same teachers in common. Even though each teacher has the student for a single subject, this allows for teachers to communicate easily about shared students and for flexible scheduling. The downfall of this option is that it is difficult to offer as many options to 100 students as to 1000 students. Therefore, families and communities have to agree that improved student-teacher relationships are a good trade-off for fewer options, or small schools have to join together so that exceptions can be made for students whose needs and wishes cannot be met within mainstream classrooms.
  1. Project Supervisors: This is a possibility when the curriculum involves a student completing a major project, sometimes necessary to graduate or advance to a certain grade. A Project Supervisor meets individually with the student to discuss the progress and needs of the student’s project. With this possibility, it usually works out better if there is a prior positive relationship between teacher and student or if there is a mutual interest in the subject of the project.
  1. Teachers Following Students (aka Looping): This probably should be combined with above options. Teachers can develop more complete relationships with students if they are with those students for more than one year. Many schools are already doing this.

GET MORE FROM ASSESSMENT

Another important factor in meeting the needs of individual students is assessment. Traditionally, assessment (or grading) has been done to differentiate students between those prepared for rigorous advanced study and those not prepared. It has also been used as a carrot-and-stick to encourage students to do what they are supposed to do (pay attention to the teacher, complete homework, study for tests, and so forth). These traditional uses have some merit, but there are other purposes that assessment can serve, which is why assessment is a major topic for school reformers.

Here are a few important principles in assessment:

  1. There are different kinds of assessments, and different ways to report assessments. Teachers often use a combination of assessments (such as watching students and telling them when they are on the right track, reading or watching the product of student work to provide feedback and, in many cases, rate the work). It is often helpful for students to get feedback on works-in-progress.
  1. Assessments must be aligned with the goals of the school. If a school wants to prepare students to participate in a democracy, but the report cards only mention math, science, English, and history, then the goals are unlikely to be met. If we want students to be able to design and carry out major projects, then we must make sure we are assessing their ability to design and carry out major projects. These assessments do not need to be a simple number or letter--they can be descriptive or constructive in nature.
  1. Assessment is a part of meeting the individual needs of students. Before teachers can decide which work is appropriate for which students, they must have a good sense of each student’s capabilities. This makes it important for transcripts/report cards/records to include information that can be applied by future teachers.
  1. It is useful to let students and parents have input into assessment. The idea is not to let the patients run the asylum, but it is useful to find out what students and families think are their own strengths and weaknesses and what they want to work on in the future.
  1. Assessments should provide useful feedback. Receiving a grade of C for a semester of work can be a frustrating experience because it is such an incomplete description and leaves a lot of ambiguity as to what to work on the future. It is more useful to receive a description of what went well and what did not go well.

In high schools, there is always resistance to change in assessment because of the implications for college admission. However, there have been cases of schools with nontraditional assessments that have been successful in getting their students into selective colleges. Additionally, there are ways to combine traditional assessments with nontraditional assessments. Elementary schools, as opposed to high schools, generally are already using more meaningful report cards then they were fifty years ago.

To some extent, these principles of assessment are only possible if the school restructuring ideas given before them take place. A teacher with over one hundred students generally will not have a good sense as to the individual needs of those students. Furthermore, it is impossible for that teacher to read the assessments of all incoming students and keep track of them in a meaningful way.

PROVIDE A SAFE AND POSITIVE ENVIRONMENT

Another basic need for students is a safe and positive environment. This need is so important that any national movement for accountability from schools should start in this area. Any reasonable person walking into a school should feel safe and should immediately notice that people in the school (students, teachers, staff, parents, and administrators) are treated with dignity. If this is not the case at any school, then there is need for intervention, because little learning will take place if the environment is not conducive to learning.

Sometimes, the needs of one student may be difficult to reconcile with the needs of another student. For example, one student could wear clothing with confederate flags to show pride for his heritage and family, while another student may take offense or feel threatened by those symbols. We are well aware of the fact that it is easier to promise a safe environment than it is to deliver one.

Schools also need to make sure that students of different races, genders, and sexual orientations are treated with respect. Every school needs people knowledgeable about these issues that students can talk to whenever they feel like it. Schools also need to make an effort to hire a diverse staff so that students get used to working with a variety of adults.

One important piece of a safe environment is making sure that students generally have a place where they can talk about their problems. Many people are students when they have their first experiences with violence, drugs, alcohol, overt racism, sexuality, sexual abuse, sexual harassment, death, family changes, and just the basic experiences of learning about yourself and others close to you as you approach adulthood. Our society must help students deal with these issues as they arise. Currently, the distribution of social workers and counselors, like much in education, is very inequitable, with the wealthiest areas having an adequate number while the poorest areas have very few. This help must be offered at schools if it is going to be accessible to many students.

MEET THE PHYSICAL NEEDS OF STUDENTS

Students also have basic physical needs that must be met. People under the age of twenty should see a doctor at least once each year, should have eye screenings at least every three years, and should have hearing screenings at least every four years. This basic level of care should be free for all families, and schools should work with their communities to insure that these needs are met, perhaps setting up temporary clinics to perform these services in the school or hiring qualified nurses. Many schools already do this.

One area where our country has gotten worse in recent years is meeting the need for students to exercise. Ironically, the decrease in emphasis in recent years given to recess and physical education has come at the same time that research has proven that people think clearer when they get some exercise each day. Schools need to make time in the day for physical activity.

In addition to the above suggestions which apply to all students, there are several things schools can do for specific subgroups. Of these subgroups, one in particular that needs to be addressed in a significantly better way than it has been is students living in families below or near the poverty line.

One great program our government already oversees is the National School Lunch Program, overseen by the USDA, which offers free and reduced-price lunches to millions of students every day. This program needs to continue. There have also been movements in schools to make sure that the food served is healthy and does not cause obesity, and those movements need to continue growing.

INCREASE FUNDING OF TITLE ONE AND RETURN ITS FOCUS TO HELPING STUDENTS

Title One is the primary program through which the federal government assists states and localities to educate students in poverty. Because (depending on the state) most of the funding for education comes from local taxes, and tax bases are very weak in impoverished areas, this program is necessary. The Bush Administration has increased Title One funding significantly under No Child Left Behind, but this funding has largely gone into assessment rather than student services.

Additionally, Title One funds have traditionally been focused on the first five grades of school, which leaves gaps in funding for middle schools and, even more so, high schools. This is one reason that high schools in poor areas are often chaotic—the funds to fully staff the schools do not exist. Title One funding, which is currently at $13 billion each year, needs to be increased significantly (by about $10 billion), and its priorities need to be on student services and program improvement.

When the federal government funds a state or local program, it has the right to ask for accountability. Under No Child Left Behind, however, the accountability has been improperly focused on standardized test scores and Adequate Yearly Progress. (I will not focus on the many flaws of NCLB in this diary, but one of its basic tenets is that all students, including special education students, should test at grade level within the next seven years and that schools should progress towards this goal each year.) It would be better if the federal government focused on clearer financial reporting, taking advantage of the internet to make such information accessible to citizens. This change would bring more local control back to our schools in terms of pedagogy and curriculum.

PROVIDE MORE HELP TO STUDENTS BEFORE THEY ENTER AND AFTER THEY LEAVE ELEMENTARY AND SECONDARY SCHOOL

Head Start has proven to be helpful in preparing students for Kindergarten, though the extent of its long-term benefits is a controversial subject. Because the program is helpful to communities with a lot of poverty, we hope that the recent decreases in funding are reversed and that there is research on how to improve the program in addition to the ongoing research measuring its effectiveness.

One program related to education that has received short shrift in recent years is federal support for child care. The Child Care and Development Block Grant budget has been given constant funding during the Bush Administration without adjusting for inflation. This has led to fewer children being served, which in turn increases the number of families with young children that live below or near the poverty line.

At the other end of the student age spectrum are college students, where current prices are simply too high for poor and middle class students (and now even upper middle class students). Many state universities were established to give college students an affordable option, and forty years ago it was possible for students to pay for college tuition entirely by having a low-level summer job. While many community colleges are doing a good job serving their communities, many state universities are now trying to compete with elite private universities for prestige rather than serve their students. Because of this trend, many college students need to take out huge loans to have a chance at their dreams. States need to think seriously about returning to a time when families could afford to pay for college.

Congress is now debating a plan to reduce interest rates on college loans. This change would be a small improvement for students.

Spending money to help poor students is often labeled as ‘throwing money at the problem’. These accusations often come from areas willing to spend $15,000 per student per year on their own kids or from politicians happy to have a military budget that is seven times that of any other nation in the world. Money is not the only answer to our educational problems, but at some point our nation needs to decide whether it is willing to spend more money helping poor students or it is willing to give up on these students and their futures.

FUND IDEA (FOR STUDENTS WITH DISABILITIES)

One area in which the federal government has done an admirable job setting standards but a horrible job meeting its funding obligations is in helping individuals with disabilities, a subject our group will write a diary about in the future. There are more than six million such students being served, and the average cost required to serve their needs is more than double ($17,000 vs $7500) the cost required to educate students without those needs.

In 1975, the federal government started forcing schools to make educational plans for students, make accommodations for students with handicaps, and attempt to place students in the least restrictive reasonable environment. This has led to great strides for students with disabilities.

However, the federal government promised in 1975 to pay 40% of the extra costs required to help students with disabilities. Unfortunately, they have consistently paid only about 15-20% of these extra costs. This funding gap puts a major strain on state and local education budgets throughout the country, which makes it difficult for schools to improve in other areas. This gap must be closed if the federal government wants to claim that its support of education is anything beyond negligent.

Another problem with the federal government and special education has been the constant shifting of goals and methods, with the only constant being lots of paperwork. There have been many changes related to Adequate Yearly Progress and its relationship to special education, and it is difficult for schools to know what is expected from them each year. There is also a lack of clarity from the federal government with respect to new special education approaches such as Response to Intervention. Because special education is a complex subject that is causing a lot of difficulty for our schools, our group will have a diary devoted to it in the future.

In conclusion, there are a lot of important things we can do to get great schools in our country. All of the above, and I barely mentioned curriculum or teaching, which of course are each very important. The next time somebody tells you that the only way to improve schools is to give away vouchers, fire the teachers, or use more standardized tests, be ready with an idea that actually will make schools better.

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  •  Tip Jar (10+ / 0-)

    I'll be around for a few hours as will several co-conspirators. Your feedback is an important part of this project, so let us know what's on your mind.

    McCain, stop saying that you're my friend.

    by Reino on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 05:10:27 AM PDT

    •  So far, you have made schools responsible for (0+ / 0-)

      personal relationships, general health care, and special education students.  Who pays for all of this?  Without more money, staff and time, all of this noble work will take away from academics and the general ed. population.  Everything is already spread too thin, and teachers are expected to do/be social workers, PR laisions, nurses, custodians, office support staff, safety/parent/peer committee chairs/members, attend staff meetings, and shop and pay for supplies the schools can't afford - all in addition to their day jobs. Major difference between US schools and schools in other countries?  They focus on academics, and we focus on everything but. They are not responsible for the health or social well being of their students.  That belongs to the parents and other institutions.   I think your focus is too utopian and doesn't deal with the reality.  Republicans are trying to kill public schools and doing a good job of it.   Your ideas will only make them cost more (and heaven help everybody if propose more money).  Your ideas enacted and unfunded only undermine academic goals for everyone.  Until we are ready to value and pay for public education, we need to get real. Sorry if I am too critical.  My daughter is a teacher, and I know the occupation well.  Right now wingers in MI are attacking teacher pay and health care.  They want to take away their medical benefits and dump them into one big HMO.  

      ...once you're willing to say whatever it takes to win, you lose. ~~Dean

      by dkmich on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 06:05:51 AM PDT

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      •  There are differences... (2+ / 0-)

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        There is a substantial difference between seeing schooling as the solution to almost all ills, especially the economy (current politics of ed), and acknowledging that students' lives don't begin and end with bells. I'm firmly for fixing school's core around academics. But that doesn't mean that other things aren't important, and in fact some are crucial to academic success.

        •  I don't disagree. The question is (1+ / 0-)

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          Whose job is it?  Could schools do it? Yes.  Should they do it?  Not without a hell of a lot more money, staff and time.  By jamming this into the schools, we are mirroring the employer model.  Lay off 10 people, replace no one, redistribute the load, provide no more money or perks, and tell everyone to just deal with it including staff, parents, and students.  How many industries, agencies and employees would this take IF we took it all out of the schools?

          ...once you're willing to say whatever it takes to win, you lose. ~~Dean

          by dkmich on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 06:17:53 AM PDT

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          •  that all depends (1+ / 0-)

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            in fact were instruction more individualized, taking into account students interests, strengths and weaknesses, and then using these as a means of helping students make sense of what we need them to know, one might well NOT need K-12 for most students.  AGAIN, if we only think in terms of how schools are currently structured, a lot of your concerns are valid.  But if we are willing to radically rethink what we mean by school and by education, and accept that in the right framework when it makes sense to them our children have no trouble learning vast amounts of information:  sports statistics, lyrics to songs, etc - then the question needs to be why they don't demonstrate the same facility with the curricular material we present them in school?  And here the issue of relationship becomes quite relevant.

            do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

            by teacherken on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 06:21:37 AM PDT

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            •  It will require smaller class size. (0+ / 0-)

              If not class size, certainly smaller teacher:student ratios.  Who will pay for this?  A private school in our areas (for gifted and talented only) runs a class size of 10.  Tuition is 12K for kindergarten and goes up as the grades go up.  

              why they don't demonstrate the same facility with the curricular material we present them in school

               All about interests and motivation.  I learn what I want to know, not what you want me to know.  You and I read diaires here in the same way.  What we skip has nothing to do with who wrote it or our relationship with them.  What I want to know and what I need to know will always be oppositional in a world where education isn't only for education's sake.  It is also a path to economic survival.  None of this is personal or hinges on relationships.  I have learned from people I hate.

              ...once you're willing to say whatever it takes to win, you lose. ~~Dean

              by dkmich on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 06:30:36 AM PDT

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              •  don't universalize your experience (1+ / 0-)

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                and also recognize that motivations for adolescents are often very different than those for adults.  Among other things, adolescents brains are still developing, and areas of judgment are not yet fully formed.

                Emotional connection is for many adolescents far more important that many adults realize.  They also have a very different sense of right and wrong.  

                I am in my 12th year of teaching.  I won't universalize my own experience, but based on my experience I have seriously researched this issue, and in fact was going to write my dissertation on it until I ended my doctoral studies just about when I would have (successfully I am sure) defended by dissertation proposal.  I am not talking about something touchy-feely.  I am talking about making a human connection.  That the student perceives that the teacher recognizes the student has a life outside of that class.   That teacher cares enough that s/he is willing to attempt to meet the student where he is, at least partway.   Those who are in the classroom now will understand that this shorthand description covers a multitude of important things.  I am sorry I cannot be more coherent.

                do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

                by teacherken on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 06:51:35 AM PDT

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                •  One teacher, 5 classes, 30 kids each. (1+ / 0-)

                  That's 150 kids to touch.  Can it be done?

                  ...once you're willing to say whatever it takes to win, you lose. ~~Dean

                  by dkmich on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 07:03:58 AM PDT

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                  •  Yes (0+ / 0-)

                    Extraordinary teachers will touch every student they come into contact with. They can take 300 students.

                    However, if you want most teachers to pay attention to individual students, then you need to lower that number. If you want the teacher to give written assignments every other week and then spend 10-15 minutes reading through and commenting on each one, then you need smaller teacher loads. If you want teachers to be available to help students outside of class and be in a position to encourage students to use the help, then you need smaller teacher loads. If you want teachers to figure out the names of their students and a little bit about individual needs within the first three weeks of the school year, then you need smaller teacher loads.

                    McCain, stop saying that you're my friend.

                    by Reino on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 07:10:27 AM PDT

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                    •  When you guys are all done, where will you post (0+ / 0-)

                      this?  Public schools are so important to our society.  The inner city schools need to be much better.  Gifted and talented needs to be allowed to reach for the sky.  Average learners need their place in the sun; and special needs have to have the support and attention required.  Meanwhile, teachers need to be elevated, respected, and kept from burning out. Bad/lazy teachers need to be weeded out while protecting the over achieving.  Will your plan do it?

                      Just so you know.  My daughter is expected to do all of that with 30+ x 5 = 150.  

                      She is highly regarded by the parents.  Word of mouth, siblings, etc. result in more parent requests for her as their child's teacher (she always says yes), so her class sizes are often higher than 30.  

                      ...once you're willing to say whatever it takes to win, you lose. ~~Dean

                      by dkmich on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 07:46:18 AM PDT

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                      •  Not Sure Yet (1+ / 0-)

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                        We won't have diaries every Saturday, but we will have diaries most Saturdays for the next few months. The next topic will be teachers.

                        In the end, we will have a panel discussion at YearlyKos in Chicago. It would be nice if we put up a permanent summary like the Energy group did last year, but we haven't figured out that part of it yet.

                        We will tag all our diaries, and the project is called Education Uprising, so it won't be difficult to keep track of us.

                        McCain, stop saying that you're my friend.

                        by Reino on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 07:59:43 AM PDT

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                  •  I've had as many as 180 at a time (2+ / 0-)

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                    6 classes of about 30 each.  One teacher in our building once had 198.  He's an extraordinary teacher.

                    I make sure to greet my students in the hallway, to know if they are in a play, or playing for an athletic team.  I try to see each at least once, although in fall sports that is usually not possible because I coach myself (soccer).  I will comment when they do well.  I try to allow time to explore their seemingly off-topic questions because that helps them make connections.

                    Oh, and a key part -  they want to know who I am.  I do not put a wall between them and me outside of class.  Within reasons I will share.  My wife comes and visits every year.  When I bring in guest speakers often the speaker and/or I will share how I know them.  If I see one in a supermarket or a Starbucks or working behind the counter at a sporting goods store I will acknowledge them.

                    I taught 7th graders for one year in another district where i live.  Those students are now seniors.  When I encounter them we still stop and talk, sometimes about where they are applying to college.

                    It helps students to know that the teacher perceives them as human, and it helps them if they can perceive the teacher as human.

                    do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

                    by teacherken on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 07:44:05 AM PDT

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                    •  You do what you can (1+ / 0-)

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                      but one point needs to be made:  the job is impossible.  It just is.

                      You do the best you can, you work your tail off, you smile, you talk, you connect, you do everything you can think of to help kids, and in the end you reach as many as you can.  But, you never get them all.

                      It is a kind of set up by the system for failure because only the Mother Theresa's of the world end up overachieving.  

                      The rest of us are merely good to very good at what we do...

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                      by Mi Corazon on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 07:49:25 AM PDT

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                    •  Gosh, isn't all of that a given? (0+ / 0-)

                      I don't mean that it isn't excellence, but isn't excellence the norm?  Not in all schools, but in all good schools?  I know all schools have teachers that ought to go or at least work a hell of a lot harder.  But aren't the majority of teachers like you and my daughter?

                      ...once you're willing to say whatever it takes to win, you lose. ~~Dean

                      by dkmich on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 07:49:56 AM PDT

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                      •  Yes (0+ / 0-)

                        There are a lot of good teachers out there. That is why school reform focused on making good teachers more effective is useful.

                        All teachers are subject to pressures from the school system: covering certain content, having certain schedules, spending money for supplies, dealing with students with a variety of special needs (not just classical special ed students), etc. We want better schools so that teaching becomes easier and more effective. Teaching will never be easy to do well, but there are systematic changes that could make it easier than it is now.

                        McCain, stop saying that you're my friend.

                        by Reino on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 08:24:57 AM PDT

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                        •  Looking forward to it. (1+ / 0-)

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                          As I said, I talk to my daughter; and she is always stressing about work.  This year alone, she had to pack and move out of her classroom last June.  Move into a temporary classroom last September.  Move into her new classroom this past December.  Move back out and into the computer lab to teach English because the floor had to be ripped up - broken pipes.  Temporary fix made, move back in.  This coming June 07, move out so they can replace carpet.  For Sept 07, move back in.  She has so much stuff & no custodial help.  Husband takes days off to help. Some moves are easier than others. Tough job.  Deserve every dime and the time off they get.  

                          ...once you're willing to say whatever it takes to win, you lose. ~~Dean

                          by dkmich on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 08:50:17 AM PDT

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              •  There is ton of money (0+ / 0-)

                available if we are willing to do two things:  a.  abandon the school district personnel who suck up as much as 40% of school budgets, and b. unions, who such up another, what, 3 or 4%.

                Once you get those two ineffectual bureaucracies out of the way, there is money to hire and substantially increase teacher salaries.

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                by Mi Corazon on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 06:56:31 AM PDT

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                •  I don't think it is that simple. (0+ / 0-)

                  I don't think $7,400 per kid is enough money.  We pay 30K per prisoner just to warehouse them.

                  ...once you're willing to say whatever it takes to win, you lose. ~~Dean

                  by dkmich on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 07:05:19 AM PDT

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                  •  Most states provide more than that (1+ / 0-)

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                    I believe that the average across the nation is over 10K per kid... with some being substantially higher than that.  Don't forget the Feds kick in around 8.5% as well.

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                    by Mi Corazon on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 07:14:57 AM PDT

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                    •  Not in MI... (0+ / 0-)

                      MI aver is about 7,400.  Bloomfield (really rich is about 10K).  I think MI is higher than most.  I think Mississippi and Fl are each $10.00 and a pat on the head.  I think the federal share is for Adult Education, not K-12; but I could definately be wrong.  Even if wrong, the federal share is usually included in the allocation from the state.  Shit rolls down hill. ;)

                      ...once you're willing to say whatever it takes to win, you lose. ~~Dean

                      by dkmich on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 07:34:26 AM PDT

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                    •  For TN (0+ / 0-)

                      it's about 7400 per student, too.
                      We're not big spenders on education by any means.

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                      by Sidof79 on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 08:01:16 AM PDT

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      •  I am not making them responsible for anything (3+ / 0-)

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        Relationships between teachers and students are a part of schools. They always have been, and they always will be. My proposals are designed to strengthen these relationships. This can be done without significantly increased expenditures, as the Essential School movement has already proven.

        Several states, including my state of Illinois, have already decided that universal health insurance for kids is worth paying for. Schools should have a mechanism for making health referrals, and good schools already do. We already have requirements for students to be vaccinated, and many schools provide sight and hearing screenings for their students. This does not provide any strain on teachers--it actually makes their job easier.

        I am not sure why you are upset that schools are responsible for special education students. Perhaps you can explain that one.

        One of the points in my diary is that more funding needs to be shifted to the federal level. Localities cannot afford all the things they want to pay for, especially poor localities. If we keep doing things as they are now, you will get situations like the one you mention in Michigan.

        The federal government needs to support education. Before NCLB, they played a small role. Since NCLB, they have become meddlers and controllers. We need the federal government to become supportive.

        You may say that a supportive federal government is utopian, but it is the only chance we have. We now control both Houses of Congress, and I think that we will control the White House in two years. Let's be clear about what we want from our leaders.

        McCain, stop saying that you're my friend.

        by Reino on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 06:32:21 AM PDT

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      •  Our task is to be Utopians (0+ / 0-)

        Our charge, as delivered from the higher ups at DKos, is to to "re-imagine" schooling, starting from scratch.

        As such it is necessarily utopian.  Perhaps at the end of the day, there will be some take-away recommendations but to start, we want to imagine that the education world is our oyster.

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        by Mi Corazon on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 06:53:27 AM PDT

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  •  I work in a small rural/suburban district (3+ / 0-)

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    near Albany, New York. While other districts around us consolidated, we stayed small. 1,200 students, three schools - one elementary, one middle, one high.

    While we don't have a lot of money, what we do have makes us one of the best districts around - relationships.

    We have tremendous community support and teachers and kids who know each other from kindergarten though graduation.

    It is hard for kids to "fall through the cracks." Kids know they are cared for and that the community wants the best for them.

    I think your diary hits the nail on the head.

    "Look Dave, I can see you're really upset about this...I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill and think things over." ~ HAL

    by LuLu on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 05:21:24 AM PDT

    •  "Genuine" small schools v. manufactured ones (4+ / 0-)

      There's a wonderful article by Aimee and Craig Howley on the difference between schools that are small by circumstance and those (such as the project funded by the Gates Foundation) that are "manufactured" small schools.  

      The tricky bit is how to encourage those relationships without doing it in a false way:  "We order you to have close relationships with your students!"

      •  LOL, you are right. (1+ / 0-)

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        My school is a throw-back. For the most part, kids that went to pre-school with my two children also graduated with them. And we are not in the middle of no where - we are surrounded by large suburban schools and are only eight miles from the city of Albany.

        I honestly think our schools are safer because we are small. It is tough pulling the trigger when Dick or Jane who you have know since pre-school is in your sights. It is easier if they are the "jock and the cheerleader."

        But to be fair, even in "forced" small schools, the relationships will develop, don't you think?

        "Look Dave, I can see you're really upset about this...I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill and think things over." ~ HAL

        by LuLu on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 05:41:54 AM PDT

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    •  you have identified one key issue (4+ / 0-)

      that I think is recognized.  Thus while I may disagree with anyhone who offers a single solution as a magic bullet to all of our problems, the idea of smaller schools, even if accomplished by schools within schools, makes a certain amount of sense.  We have gone the direction of larger schools and consolidation because of the supposed efficiencies.  But these are efficiencies for adults, not for the students.  And we then begin to develop additional costs because of problems of span of control.

      Let me offer one problem about which people often don't think.  In Maryland all districts are countywide (considering Baltimore City the equivalent of a county).  Thus there are 24 school districts for a state with a population of a bit over 5 million in 2000.

      In inclement weather, decisions have to be made on a district wide basis.  In our district of 133,000+ students, if we have severe icing conditions in the Northern part of the County, perhaps affecting 15% of the schools, the entire system closes down.  That is a loss of instructional continuity.

      I agree with you that relationships are very important in effective instruction.

      I do offer a balancing caution -  small schools often have been limited in the curricular offerings they could present, and this has been exacerbated by the Highly Qualified Teacher provision of NCLB.  Still, technology is increasingly providing ways of addressing this.  I know I was offered an opportunity to teach AP government online through the Center for Talented Youth at Johns Hopkins where I might have been dealing with kids in rural western Nebraska, for example, where no school would have had enough students to warrant having even one section.

      I am oriented to individualizing instruction as much as is possible, albeit withing a group context because of the social aspects of learning as well.

      do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

      by teacherken on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 05:37:47 AM PDT

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      •  We are just setting up a distance learning lab (1+ / 0-)

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        and are very excited about the doors it will offer our students when it comes to advanced curricula.

        Of course the only reason we were able to do it was because we got a chunk of pork from our state senator.

        "Look Dave, I can see you're really upset about this...I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill and think things over." ~ HAL

        by LuLu on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 05:46:23 AM PDT

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      •  what happens to large scale sport programs? (1+ / 0-)

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        i for one am not that bothered by spectator sports being run out of schools...i think the NFL, the NBA, and MLB should be giving schools billions a year, given that public schools prepare the majority of the players....

        how about yoga and/or internal martial arts instead of traditional PE? Given the effects of yoga and some forms of IMA--reduced stress, reduced anxiety, better grades, better impulse control, reduced chance of injury over time--they could do a great deal to interrupt social forces that most of us agree need to be dealt with: drug use, commercialism, depression, anger...

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        by DeweyCounts on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 05:52:16 AM PDT

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        •  We have few sports (1+ / 0-)

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          soccer is the big one, track, cross country, wrestling, basketball, volleyball, tennis, baseball and softball.

          Our kids are powerhouses in soccer. Nobody seems to have suffered too much from not having every sport under the sun.

          And our PE teachers do units in yoga, tai chi and other "softer" physical activities.

          "Look Dave, I can see you're really upset about this...I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill and think things over." ~ HAL

          by LuLu on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 06:10:40 AM PDT

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        •  When it comes to sports (1+ / 0-)

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          I'd much rather see the teaching of inexpensive lifetime physical activities rather than team sports.  I'm not that sold on yoga and martial arts, and besides, then you run foul of either unskilled teachers in that area or fundamentalists afraid you're teaching your kids something demonic.

      •  Boy can I relate (2+ / 0-)

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        to all of this.  My school is part of a large (terrain-wise) district that's small in numbers, with a huge elevation range.  Making inclement weather decisions on a district-wide basis is folly--but it happens far too often.

        Working in a small school allows me to see the advantages and disadvantages.  For certain less-socially-adept kids it's torture to go through school with the same group of kids for eight years.  For kids with outlier interests (anime, goth, artistic in certain ways, even sexual ambiguity) it's tough to to go through school without peers who share their interests.  Bright kids can struggle in a small school because they lack peer support--especially girls, even in this era.

        On the other hand, kids who might otherwise have problems thrive in the continuity and support of a small school.

    •  I wasn't happy until I found some cracks to fall (4+ / 0-)

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      between when I went to college (NYU, with 40,000 students, and plenty of cracks)

      Getting the RIGHT kind of attention is great, but a small school can also focus the wrong kind

  •  we want your participation in this discussion (4+ / 0-)

    we are attempting to redesign education from the ground up.  And we are sharing ideas that at this point are preliminary, and will be honed as we process your input.

    So please

    • recommend to keep visible
    • offer us your ideas

    Reino is here to dialog with you, and I and some of the others are also lurking, and prepared to engage with the enemy, I'm sorry, I mean the other kossacks!

    do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

    by teacherken on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 05:24:05 AM PDT

    •  What will you do with utopia and no money? n/t (0+ / 0-)

      ...once you're willing to say whatever it takes to win, you lose. ~~Dean

      by dkmich on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 06:06:43 AM PDT

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      •  sorry you are so cynical (2+ / 0-)

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        the approach we are trying to explore would, among other things, use whatever money we spend far more efficiently in terms of what the students actually learn.  we spend huge amounts of money on controlling students and not on actually helping them learn.  Students who have ongoing contact with adults have far less reason to act out.  IF all the pieces we are considering were put together, you might not need to have so many kids in school from K-12 in order to have them truly learn much more than they currently do today.  And we know that when social aspects are part of the learning process, that learning is far more deeply established.

        Utopia was a description of an ideal, but non-existent place.  One thing our exploration of education has in common with the Energize America approach is nothing we are discussing is being considered for the first time - all of the things we bruit about have been tried, although perhaps not all in the same place at the same time.  And we know the effectiveness, providing one is willing to look beyond the simplistic nature of mass-produced tests (and not all mass produced tests are standardized).  

        But if you are happy with the system as it is, which turns off students to learning, and burns out the good teachers, then go ahead and be cynical.  we are trying to find a way to make a difference.  Those of us in this discussion are at varying levels of the front lines - some, like Reino and me, for example, are in K-12 classrooms.  Others, like sdorn and DeweyCounts, help prepare future teachers and constantly wrestle with the same issues as do I albeit from a different perspective.  Marion Brady has had so many roles it would take too long to describe them all, but offers us the breadth and depth of a lifetime of experience that few can match.

        What I ask is that you go further - by all means challenge us, but also address what you think needs to be addressed, explain why, and offer a suggestion or two, even if not totally thought out, about how to accomplish the change you believe is necessary.  That would be far more productive than merely rejecting what we have offered.

        do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

        by teacherken on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 06:29:52 AM PDT

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        •  i found some money (1+ / 0-)

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          we could use this to create all sorts of new schools, new projects, etc...

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          by DeweyCounts on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 06:54:15 AM PDT

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        •  Where will you put them? (1+ / 0-)

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          you might not need to have so many kids in school from K-12 in order to have them truly learn much more than they currently do today.

          I do apologize for being negative.  I do thank you for your interest, effort and concern.  Let me try to be more constructive.  

          Public schools are an American main stay and need to be protected and nurtured.  Most teachers are caring, skilled, hard working, underpaid, under appreciated, and beat down by doting or indifferent parents, incompetent administrators, and school boards who think schools need to be run like a business and teach intelligent design.  

          My daughter teachers 6/7th grade English lit in a pubic middle school in an affluent county in a broke state.  My three grandsons are in her schools district in 4/6/8th grades.  Youngest and oldest are gifted and talented.  Middle walks to his own drummer.  Not dumb just not motivated.  Wants to excel but doesn't want to work for it.  Here is what I think they all need:

          Kids
          *smaller class sizes, more one on one attention, and much, much less homework.  Able to move at ones own speed and to reach a common academic goal in any way that works for them.  
          *More for gifted and talented.
          *More clusters (girls only, boys only, engineers only)
          *Peer pressure to "grow up fast" is overwhelming.  Given longer life expectancy, children need to be children longer, not shorter time. Strong anti-bullying programs should be in place.  
          *Too coddled/protected/managed/supervised:  Can't do anything without a helmet or a car seat.  Can't go outside, might get snatched.   Can't watch too much TV, play too much video, eat too much candy, etc.  Would love to see opportunities for structured and unfettered exploration (play time), i.e., space camps, wall climbing, as an alternative to dodge ball, running laps, and art classes.  

          Teachers

          *Administrative assistance supplied to help with copying, cutting and other administrative chores.
          *Para pros assigned to all special education students.
          *Depending upon level, nainstreaming in appropriate areas and not all educational areas.  
          *Less interference on intelligent design and my kid ain't reading that book!  More support for the teacher when they make the kid accountable and responsible for their choices.
          *Not responsible for administering drugs, health treatment plans, and other areas that should be assigned to a specially trained special ed or health professional.  
          *Able to take maternity leaves during early stages of pregnancy so their babies aren't exposed to all of those germs. My middle grandson was exposed to Fifth's disease.

          Am I catching on?  Please go back to my first question.  Where will you put them?  How will they get there (parents work)?

          ...once you're willing to say whatever it takes to win, you lose. ~~Dean

          by dkmich on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 06:59:43 AM PDT

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  •  Fumding IDEA is desperately needed (2+ / 0-)

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    Too much of our school budgets are spent on providing services required under IDEA.  Yes, these services are needed (mostly, I do see a number of students who are labeled who really don't need special services but they don't live up to their parents honorroll expectations,... so they must need an IEP) but so are services that we are cutting  for our regular population.

    How did I live without him?

    by Pumpkinlove on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 05:24:23 AM PDT

    •  IDEA is true unfunded mandate (2+ / 0-)

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      federal share is supposed to be 40% of average additional costs.

      highest it has ever been was 19% in FY2005

      FY2007 it was 17%

      and because it is a legislatively mandated right, schools must pay costs, even if it means slashing other services.

      Let me give two illustrations of impact

      In Virginia, in 2005 the shortfall statewide was something around 350 million dollars.

      DC does not have the facilities to provide services for all the identified cases, so must bus the kids to facilities out of the District, paying costs and transportation.  Average cost to district of each of these cases is over 20,000.  Were special ed costs backed out of funding, DC spends about the same per student as surrounding jurisdictions.  Figures usually bandied about to show how inefficient they are don't have SPED backed out, so distort the portrait.

      do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

      by teacherken on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 05:30:28 AM PDT

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      •  As a participant in the SPR & I (3+ / 0-)

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        (Systems Performance Review and Improvement) committee for special ed in my district, I can tell you that some of the actions imposed upon districts from above are completely arbitrary.  If, unlike many of the local districts, you hold to an inclusion model, offer classroom support instead of resource room support, and only send the most extreme cases out of district to specialized schools, then you have to explain the anamolies--or risk your district and state losing funding.

        The judgment calls are not always best practice.

    •  Some of -- or a lot of (3+ / 0-)

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      -- services for high-functioning special needs kids would be met with the small-school model, which would benefit all students: small classes, individualized attention, personal relationships.

      A lot of special ed programs end at the elementary school level; beyond that there exist contained adaptive/functional programs for more profoundly affected students, but little for high functioning students.

      Gifted student programs also tend to be concentrated at the elementary school level, with fewer options in middle school and, in Denver at least, no program in high school.  I've pondereded if, perhaps, it might be advantageous to combine services for high-functioning special needs kids with highly gifted kids might not be advantageous.  May sound oxymoronic, but high-functioning autistic children and gifted children face many of the same problems of socialization, fitting in, and "thinking differently".  It may be that the two groups could help each other.

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      by Frankenoid on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 05:39:21 AM PDT

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      •  i'm also interested in breaking down divisions... (4+ / 0-)

        by separating 17 year olds from 7 months olds, we teach them that having sex has no consequences....what about a sex ed program that involved 14 year olds taking care of 14 month olds?

        We take our children out of the community and send them  into schools, and we take the elderly out of the community and send them into nursing homes. Why not send 16 year olds to spend time with 86 year olds so as to remind them about the transience of life?

        To much geometry to do?

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        by DeweyCounts on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 05:47:07 AM PDT

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        •  I would be careful.... (1+ / 0-)

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          about 14 year olds taking care of ACTUAL 14 month olds (would you trust your baby to a 14 year old? Knowing that the supervision is likely to break down in the face of teachers being overburdened?)

          OTOH, there is an excellent program that makes 14 year olds take care of FAKE babies.  24 hours a day.  And they cry in the night.  

          •  i would be careful (3+ / 0-)

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            with everything 14 year olds do.

            and yes, i think we need to start trusting children and raising them to be more responsible and one way of doing so would be to ask them to share in the responsibility of taking care of children and our elderly.

            call it civics...

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            by DeweyCounts on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 06:50:59 AM PDT

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            •  More responsible sure (0+ / 0-)

              but not for babies or old people.  Not for any other human.  Because while, with proper supervision, this could work wonderfully well, proper supervision will, all too often, be lacking, and the result could be a real tragedy.

              Why not make 14 year olds responsible for things that matter, but don't matter SO MUCH.  Like, say, a 14 year old (or group of them) could be responsible for planning some activities; or buying some equipment; and so on.

      •  Yes, the "twice exceptional" student n/t (0+ / 0-)

        "Look Dave, I can see you're really upset about this...I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill and think things over." ~ HAL

        by LuLu on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 05:48:00 AM PDT

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      •  Most Asperger-type kids (1+ / 0-)

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        are usually served in the classroom.  High functioning autistic kids don't generally get pulled out of the general population unless they have extreme behavior issues.

        For that matter, many high functioning kids with Asperger and autism can fall into the TAG group.  The issue I find completely frustrating is that one of the TAG coordinators at my school finds TAG and Sped to be mutually exclusive--when they aren't.

        •  we at least understand that (2+ / 0-)

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          we have a special program for double identified - Gifted and qualified under special ed.  I have taught and coached a number of such kids, including two from one school board member who happened to have a doctorate in SPED and whose husband was nationally board certified in SPED.  That might have been difficult, except we had a prior relationship when I was doing doctoral work at Catholic and I was the research assistant for a new program in SPED with which she had a connection.

          I have a brilliant Asperger's 10th grader in one of my AP classes now.  He is not doing too well, because he is not only intellectually brilliant, but - despite his ownn inability to relate emotionally to others - has a high degree of emotional intelligence.  He had figured out how to manipulate most of the adults around him, but I called him on it, and it was not until a major parent teacher conference with all of his teachers that he was willing to acknowledge that I had caught him.  Now he comes to class on time, and does about 2/3 of his work on time, whereas before he would play the system for all it was worth, and use his entitlement for extra time to never be close to current.

          do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

          by teacherken on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 06:57:23 AM PDT

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  •  Split assessment... (3+ / 0-)

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    ...away from grading.  Ideally, assessment is evaluation of the group, which can be used to as feedback mechanism to inform us of ways the needs of the group are or are not being met.  Using this to evaluate the individual is usually wrong.  I do not believe that one can do both using the same instrument.

    On the other hand, every test is a high stakes test to students.  Test of individual learning should be designed by the person who taught the teacher, not by  faculty committee or some outside agency.

    Good morning.

  •  School funding need to be changed (0+ / 0-)

    The thing that is hurting our district is the burden on the local taxpayer. We get aout 38% of our operating budget from the state of New York, the rest from local property taxes. Expenditures of about $50,000 causes our property taxes to go up one percent. So if we have just two special needs kids move in mid-year, it blows our budget to pieces.

    We have very little money for the gifted/talented kids (my special area), no money for field trips, lots of the extras bigger schools have.

    Our newly-elected Rep. Kirsten Gillibrand, wants to push for federal funding for NCLB and special ed mandates. This would be a step in the right direction. It would free up local funds for regular ed and the extras kids need.

    "Look Dave, I can see you're really upset about this...I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill and think things over." ~ HAL

    by LuLu on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 05:35:53 AM PDT

    •  Exactly Right (2+ / 0-)

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      It is issues like this that get me upset when people say the only way to improve the schools is to bust the unions. There are so many foolish policies regarding funding and other issues that we need to fix.

      Here in Illinois, schools are pretty much forced to increase funding through referenda every 5-10 years. The vote drives split communities and shape attitudes towards schools. Schools drop activities when the votes fail and then pick them back up when votes succeed, which is not a productive cycle.

      McCain, stop saying that you're my friend.

      by Reino on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 06:11:03 AM PDT

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  •  This comment is spoton but also problematic. (2+ / 0-)

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    1.  It is useful to let students and parents have input into assessment. The idea is not to let the patients run the asylum, but it is useful to find out what students and families think are their own strengths and weaknesses and what they want to work on in the future.

    I have a small concern with the use of the terms patients and asylum, as they perpetuate the idea that  students need "treatment" before they are "cured."

    Giving students and parents real freedom concerning what they will work on in the future, however, is a promising vision for what education could be. Given the advances in technology, why couldn't every student select goals and projects that meant something to her?

    What if we prepared teachers to help students explore and make sense of their worlds rather than simply teaching teachers to "treat" students via the dispersement of facts?

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    by DeweyCounts on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 05:44:18 AM PDT

    •  Good Point (1+ / 0-)

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      Not the best analogy by me.

      Feedback from teachers (or at least somebody other than the student and parents) is important for kids, though we do need to think of ways for students and parents to take a more active role in their educations.

      McCain, stop saying that you're my friend.

      by Reino on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 06:03:48 AM PDT

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  •  On a practical level (5+ / 0-)

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    Encouraging personal relationships is a good goal, but it will mean hiring a lot more well qualified, motivated and dedicated teachers.  To do this, teacher pay must go up significantly.
    Students and teachers already develop these relationships.  Take a tour of my school in the afternoon.  You will see students and teachers involved in sports, music, art, computers, drama and other activities.  It is these areas that students are naturally attracted to.
    School is not just about developing basic skills.  Seven kinds of intelligence have been identified.  If we want to allow each student to reach his/her potential, we must nurture all seven intelligences.  The most important subject for me in school was music.  I've done very well with music all my life.
    Some schools treat sports, music, art, drama, etc. as elective frills.  What about students who want to be musicians, artists, etc?  At the last high school I taught at, this group made up about 30 percent of the student body.
    As schools look at smaller subgroups, it's important that they support these activities which attract, motivate and engage our students.

    we must all do the best we can with what we have

    by goofyfoot on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 05:47:12 AM PDT

    •  this makes the worship of standardization (1+ / 0-)

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      even more problematic as it eliminates the very classes you call for and imagine. The frills are what got me through school...

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      by DeweyCounts on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 05:54:59 AM PDT

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    •  Low class size or low student load? (1+ / 0-)

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      Many years ago, Ted Sizer pointed out the difference:  40 students in a single room is a large class.  But a teacher's relationship with students is made no better if she or he has 6 periods with 25 students each.  40 students to know or 150?  One structure has a lower class size, but the other has a better chance of establishing personal relationships.

      (No, I'm not in favor of 40-student classes!  I'm making a distinction between class size, school size, and teacher load.)

      •  Band Director (1+ / 0-)

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        at a local school has 120 musicians in the band, plus 20 in drill team/color guard.  He has great influence on every one of them.  They think he is god.  He loves them and they love him.  He inspires them to be the best.  Many go to college because he tells them to.
        Football coach and swimming coach and choral director do the same with smaller numbers of students.

        The system is already in place to engage students.

        we must all do the best we can with what we have

        by goofyfoot on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 06:25:26 AM PDT

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      •  not one universal answer (2+ / 0-)

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        in some cases, it is both.  Think for example of either an elementary school teacher whose class size is her teacher load.  Think also of the writing teacher who not only needs a small overall load in order to correct the papers (and I don't like the word "correct" but I am in a hurry right now) and smaller classes in order to get to each student during the 45 minute period.

        There are teachers who can manage a class of 35-40 and not do straight lecture.  On my better days I fall into that category, but I'd hate to make my living trying to do that all the time, because it is exhausting.

        But it is also exhilarating to interact with more students.  And if one views oneself as an effective teacher (and I will not claim more than that for myself), how can one refuse to take on more students clamoring for such teaching and challenging learning?

        I could cap my AP classes at 25-26 kids.  I have gone as high as 32.  I could refuse to teach more than two sections.  Put those two factors together and I would be teaching only 52 kids, when I have over 100 each year who want to take on the challenge.  Right now I have 3 sections, totalling 83 kids, ranging in size from 23 to 32.  It is at times exhausting, but I also gain energy from what i do, and right now no other teacher in the building is willing to undergo the training and take on the responsibility.  Most other teachers in our department either have no AP sections or only one, say in American History.  The two people who teach AP Psych each have I believe two sections, and the guy who does AP World, like me, has 3 sections.  That is 4 out of a department of 18.  

        So again, I don't like to make universal statements.  I agree with Sizer that the key issue probably is the total load on the teacher.  And perhaps had we more teachers with the requisite skills and understanding we could address teacher load as well as class size.  Right now both are problems because of a shortage of teachers.  And we also have teachers we should not have because at some point we simply need warm bodies.  That is why I think in order to address this kind of problem we need to rethink our entire structure of K-12 so perhaps we could shorten the process for many students, which by the way is another point that Sizer has explored.

        do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

        by teacherken on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 06:39:45 AM PDT

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  •  Small schools can be good (5+ / 0-)

    or, bad.

    I went to a small HS.  120 students in grades 6 to 12.  Small classes (c 15 students)

    this meant that EVERYONE knew, from 6th grade on, that I was the one to pick on, the weird one, the one who should be shoved into the trash cans and have glue poured in his hair.  Since there were so few students, there was no escape.

    And since there were so few students, there were none much like me.

    So, small is good, but simply making small schools will not solve much, and may cause other problems.  The point it that ANY school reform, to work, will require lots of effort by lots of people, and this diary series is part of that effort.

    Good diary, despite my comment :-)