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Saxby sure has Iraq’ed himself

Thu Mar 01, 2007 at 12:40:59 PM PDT

On my little old ga blog, I keep something I started called the Saxby Files.  The Saxby Files are a place I trying to capture the most obscene quotes, votes, and notes that flow from the Saxby Chambliss operation.  As I went to do an update after a long stretch of neglect, it became pretty clear I couldn’t even get past Iraq before my head began to smolder...

When you go down the road of documenting Sen. Chambliss’s own words, the first thing you recognize is that he now speaks "Senate". The concept of plain speech has left him, if he ever really possessed it in the first place, and what you get now is a calculated and pre-packaged rhetorical breeze that sounds very milquetoast when you first hear it.

It’s really hard to find anything Saxby has said that is not already a part of the assimilated borg speak of Republican talking points that we all have grown accustomed of hearing.

When you begin to stretch those comments over time though, you begin to see how fake, dishonest, and downright insulting Saxby has been when speaking to Georgians about Iraq.

The baseline for that examination should start with an embrace of something Saxby said just a few short weeks ago:

"In politics you can't wake up every morning and stick your finger in the wind. You've got to make decisions that you think are the right policy decisions, and a lot of times they are not politically the most popular decisions to make," he said, according to the AP.

Ok. So Saxby has set a pretty high bar that "finger in the wind" governing is bad, and sometimes you take an unpopular position when it is the right thing to do. Which in concept is great, and I applaud his sense of principle.

The problem is that Saxby doesn't live by his own lofty standard. In fact, he is not even close to it.

Saxby and the Iraq war provide a clear example. Over the last 6-8 months, which included an election that was in part a repudiation of the war, Saxby has done some pretty impressive weather vane watching. Saxby’s view on Iraq has spun around like that metal chicken to mitigate the damage his views on Iraq may cause.

Observe:

Statement by Saxby Chambliss – June 22, 2006

"I've been to Iraq four times now, and every time I go I'm more impressed with the training and the ability of the Iraqi army to assume control and protect Iraqis from outside influences. I'm more impressed with the training and the ability of the security forces inside of Iraq to protect the Iraqi citizens from domestic insurrection. And I'm more impressed with the leadership in Iraq when I see the unity of the government taking place over there, which is so critically important to that country moving ahead.

"Now is the time to give all of our support to the American military and to the Iraqi people when we are moving in a positive direction and we have positive signs on the ground of how we're winning that war. It's not the time to stand on the street corner and say that we're going to be leaving Iraq next week, next month, next year. That is absolutely the wrong message to send to the world and it's a wrong message to send to the terrorists."(emphasis mine)

Last summer, Saxby by his own account, believed strongly that we were 1) "winning" in Iraq and that positive signs proved it , and 2) we needed to stay the course. He used the word "impressed" 3 freaking times in 1 small paragraph to reflect his positive view of Iraq! Read it again and store it away in your memory banks.

This was right out of the Bush playbook at the time, and Saxby had embraced the borg talking point of the day. No "cuting and running", we are "winning", stay the course, and we are on the verge of finding a whole stable of ponies...

Fast forward 6 months to after the election...

The ISG report comes out. The wind changes and his finger starts twitching. Now we begin to see the first subtle shift in the Saxsters view of Iraq. Again, from his own statement at the time:

December 6th Press Statement

The study group discounted several options that have been recommended by various voices and critics. For example, they do not recommend a substantial increase in U.S. forces in Iraq, dividing Iraq into 3 separate units, or withdrawing precipitously. I agree with the study group on each of these points.

Can that be any clearer? When the ISG report hits, Saxby doesn’t believe in or support the "surge". Immediately after the election Saxby sticks that finger in the air and senses a breeze... No more additional troops in Iraq.

Well, now Saxby has a new problem. Politics is a tough business, and he just can't bring himself to stick to a position not tied to the President. How can Saxby appear to be skeptical, but still retain his position in the borg hive?

January 12, just 1 month later, again in Saxby’s own words:

"...I made it clear that my support of any increase in troops is conditional upon those troops having a specific mission, and upon the completion of that mission those troops should be redeployed."

Saxby is trying to thread the needle, and he stays there for nearly a whole month. Saxby now will support the surge, but only if there is a defined plan and exit strategy for it.

On February 7th?

The damn bursts and Saxby reveals the lie he has perpetrated on our state and country. In voting against an appointment for General Casey’s, he let’s slip the following:

"Gen. Casey has been the top commander on the ground in Iraq, and frankly under his leadership we haven't done so well in the last two and a half years," Chambliss said in a phone interview after the vote. "I just don't think the operation has gone very well under his leadership." (emphasis mine)

So much for all that "winning" and "impressive progress" you told us about 8 months ago. Aside from the fact that Saxby loves shitting on troops for his own screwup of helping putting us there, it looks like he has been carrying water for the President for months, if not years. For the last 2 and a half years Saxby has been unsatisfied with the Iraq mission, despite his own lies to the contrary.

Georgians should be outraged that Saxby’s political weather vane wouldn’t allow him to be honest about Iraq, even though by his own standard "you can't wake up every morning and stick your finger in the wind". His lack of honesty covers up his lack of courage to speak truth to power. Saxby is a fraud and a coward if you take him at his own word.

So, where is Saxby these days? After all he seems to move once every 3 weeks or so now. Looks like a new goal post has been set:

"Here's my deadline," Chambliss told reporters in Atlanta. Petraeus is commander of all U.S. forces in Iraq.

"General Petraeus says 'Give me a chance to make this work ... and if it doesn't work I promise you I will come back to you and say despite all of my efforts this is not going to work,'" Chambliss said.

"At that point in time I am prepared to make the right decision for this country and I don't know yet what that will be."

Forget about all the talk about the clear goals and redeployment when the job is done. Hell, just 2 weeks ago he said this:

While Chambliss resisted setting a timeline for success, he said he expects to see progress quickly.

"I don't know if it will be 90 days or 120 days," he said. "I don't think it's fair to pick that date right now."

Do I really need to continue? Saxby is just a bundle of mess on Iraq. Period. It is precisely for the very reason he disavows; it's a tough call for him and he is trying please as many people as possible.

It is either that, or he is just incredibly stupid. After all this, after looking back in hindsight, he recently had this bit of genius to say last week.:

"I don't know what was wrong with our strategy or who was responsible for it," Chambliss was quoted as saying in The Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

Saxby is an incompenent, clueless, and gutless coward. He is incapable of acting from a core conviction, and further, wouldn't even know where to begin if he had one. He should be ashamed of lying to us, and we should be ashamed of letting him do it.

It's interesting and sad how we have grown accustomed, through our cynical view of politicians, to barely twitch when one of them lies in such an overt and transparent way.

(Cross-Posted at Peach Pulpit)

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  •  Poor Saxby (11+ / 0-)

    He missed out on the VietNam war because of a bum knee, unlike that lucky guy Max Cleland whose seat he usurped.  Now, like so many Republic chickenhawks, he has to demonstrate his machismo by sending others to die in this disastrous war.

    "There are no happy endings in the Bush Administration". - Randall L. Tobias

    by MadRuth on Thu Mar 01, 2007 at 12:44:31 PM PDT

  •  I hate Chambliss (6+ / 0-)

    Slimy slug in a human skin.

    If he shows vision, he lacks substance. If he gives details, he's wonky. If he walks on water, he can't swim. DBunn at DKos

    by TexDem on Thu Mar 01, 2007 at 12:45:03 PM PDT

  •  So, being completely ignorant of GA politics ... (3+ / 0-)

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    TexDem, John H, brownsox

    He looks clearly beatable, if for other reason than Iraq.  But what (credible) candidate will we run against him?

    I should add that since the senator from georgia is a former uga athlete, he turns my stomach in a variety of extra-political ways.

  •  When Rove says "jump, Saxby" - then Saxby duly (9+ / 0-)

    does. When Rove says "lie down, Saxby" - then Saxby obeys. What a good puppy Saxby is.

  •  Sounds like Rummy-speak (1+ / 0-)

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    VolvoDrivingLiberal

    I don't know if it will be 90 days or 120 days

    sounds a lot like

    It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months.

    No doubt about it - he is just incredibly stupid...

  •  No surprise (3+ / 0-)

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    TexDem, John H, VolvoDrivingLiberal

    from someone who ran that disgraceful campaign against Max Cleland in 2002.  There is clearly nothing he won't do.

    Keep pouring it on and softening him up for the election.  Republicans have a lot of seats to defend.

    "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy" - James Madison

    by Hotspur18 on Thu Mar 01, 2007 at 01:03:23 PM PDT

  •  If you live in North Ga, with apologies to biglib (2+ / 0-)

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    TexDem, sbdenmon

    for pimping in his diary, check out the new AtlantaKos group here.

    ...from the bright blue sea of Atlanta in the red swamp of Georgia.

    by VolvoDrivingLiberal on Thu Mar 01, 2007 at 01:31:06 PM PDT

  •  Would a Blue Dog Democrat beat Saxby Chambliss? (1+ / 0-)

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    Bob Love

    Just a thought.  If there's such a concern recruiting a progressive Democrat in Georgia, why not go for a Blue Dog Democrat instead?  

    •  Blue dog, Flaming lib, it really doesn't (2+ / 0-)

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      sbdenmon, VolvoDrivingLiberal

      matter when what it comes down to is money.  GA Dem party has very few members outside the Atlanta area, at least in any great numbers.  Without the members, it's difficult to raise funds.  No money, no campaigns.

      But we're working on it.

      The apocalypse will require substantial revision of all zoning ordinances. - Zashvill Political compass -7.88 -7.03.

      by Heiuan on Thu Mar 01, 2007 at 02:49:39 PM PDT

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  •  Excellent! (1+ / 0-)

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    VolvoDrivingLiberal

    Recommended.

  •  Saxby: incompenent, clueless, and gutless coward (0+ / 0-)

    who will beat by 10 points any Democrat who opposes him in 2008.

    that's about it for the democratic party down these parts, clueless, corrupt, and venial beyond despair.

    its not just the corruption, its that the people down here want a creep like saxby.. because he is just as corrupt and racist as them. jesus himself could run as a democrat and they'd call him a dirty ni**er-loving jew.

    and don't even ask about bobby issakson

    we are stuck with these two idiots until hell freezes over

    "There are many truths of which the full meaning cannot be realized until personal experience has brought it home." John Stuart Mill

    by kuvasz on Thu Mar 01, 2007 at 02:29:34 PM PDT

    •  Youre right. With that kind of defeatist approach (4+ / 0-)

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      biglib, kuvasz, sbdenmon, Nowhere Man

      GA would remain a Rethug state ad infinitum.

      Saxby: incompenent, clueless, and gutless coward who will beat by 10 points any Democrat who opposes him in 2008

      That sounds like the crap some folks in Montana and Virginia were saying before John Tester and Jim Webb appeared on the horizon.

      Both Jim Butler and Charles Brewer, armed with an economic populist message, both have the potential to be a Webb/Tester type of force in a run against Chambliss.

      ...from the bright blue sea of Atlanta in the red swamp of Georgia.

      by VolvoDrivingLiberal on Thu Mar 01, 2007 at 03:10:22 PM PDT

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      •  oh. please, stop living in your fuzzy dream world (0+ / 0-)

        What makes social liberals oft times detestable is thinking that executive fiat or their supposed call to moral high grounds can affect voters to vote for them. Their lack of understanding the working class and poor gave the GOP the governor's mansion and two seats in the current Senate. Roy Barnes' loss ought have taught you that much at least had you been watching.  The average Georgian does not give a shit about what the mainstream issues are in the national Democratic Party, they hear what their preacher tells them and that's GOP talking points. The failure to understand that and combat it put that gasbag Sonny Purdue in the Governor's mansion twice and sent two moronic Republican senators to Washington in four years.

        The Democratic leaders are ineffective for several reasons, one is race and no one black will likely win an state-wide election because of the latent racism in Georgia's white population, the other is that there is no substantial difference between the Democrats from the Republicans at the local level in Georgia outside of Atlanta. Anyone who thinks Mayor Franklin or John Lewis( my own personal hero), or even Andy Young would win a statewide election in Georgia is a likely a delusional Buckhead resident who never crosses the Perimeter outside metro Atlanta. I  mean for Christ's sakes Dekalb County, a part of Atlanta still uses red-lining to keep out blacks from affluent neighborhoods.

        You sound like a nice guy, I bet fairly educated with intelligent, college educated friends, but that's not the profile for most Georgia voters; so you are working from a specious set of data and are making the wrong conclusion.

        Georgia is not like North or South Carolina   (the latter though more like Georgia than the Tarheel state, which has a strong, decades long Progressive political tradition via the likes of Frank Porter Graham and the UNC college system).

        Atlanta comes the closest to that critical mass of Progressivism, but with it overwhelming black any progressive movement to help the poor and working class will be exploited by the GOP as  bunch of black inspired crap.

        I live back in the country and in January I heard a bunch of white guys sitting around the local hardware story talking about Martin Luther King Day and laughingly suggesting they ought to  have one called James Earle Ray Day.  But, these were not your typical red neck morons, they were looking and talking like average middle class people. So with that you have to wonder about how the real good-ole' boys feel, and recognize that changing that mentality won't happen without years of work.

        So your remarks about my negative attitude comes directly from listening to the people who do vote and do not vote for blacks or anyone who they think would give them a hand up to compete with white people.

        It sucks, but I'm not about to act all Crusader Rabbit like and spit into the wind or think shaking my fist at the ocean will stop the tides.

        Until the Democratic Party grows organically from town to town; hamlet to hamlet and the average voter can see distinctions from the Democrats that make their lives better they will stay in the Republican camp.

        But they won't because locally the Democrats are deep in bed with the GOP and would rather not rock the boat.

        btw; there ain't no populist like a Jim Webb or John Tester in the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party is just as corrupt as the GOP down here.

        "There are many truths of which the full meaning cannot be realized until personal experience has brought it home." John Stuart Mill

        by kuvasz on Thu Mar 01, 2007 at 10:16:50 PM PDT

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    •  It's Johnny Isakson. (1+ / 0-)

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      kuvasz

      Just sayin'.

  •  One Iraq War: 3,000+ Lives. (0+ / 0-)

    "I don't know what was wrong with our strategy or who was responsible for it."  Priceless.

    "You can't negotiate with reality" - James Kunstler

    by Bob Love on Thu Mar 01, 2007 at 02:35:24 PM PDT

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    GA-Sen, Georgia, Saxby Chambliss, US Senate 2008, Jim Marshall, Charles Brewer, Jim Martin, Jim Butler, Thurbert Baker

  •  And the rethug voters STILL LUV (0+ / 0-)

    Sexby chablis!
    What a waste of a human being

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