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March Madness: Are the Players Getting a Raw Deal?

Wed Mar 14, 2007 at 05:29:28 PM PDT

Like millions of other Americans, I enjoy the annual ritual of March Madness. I've even been to three Final Fours--oddly, Michigan lost in the championship game each time--and seen quite a few early-round games as well. However, there's a dark side to the tournament, and to big-time college sports as well.

The bottom line is that the players are getting a raw deal. Even though they hold what amount to full-time jobs during the season, and which carry a greater than average risk of work-related injuries, they've been relegated to a legal never-never land called "student-athlete" status.

There's more beyond the 3-point line...

Many years ago, the legal eagles at the NCAA came up with the term "student-athlete," largely to defeat worker's-compensation claims by injured players. Treating intercollegiate sports as extracurricular activities benefits colleges in another way: it keeps the IRS from snagging a share of their television and other revenue.

However, major-college sports crossed the line from extracurricular activity into commercial entertainment many years ago. During the 1920s, football matchups such as Army v. Notre Dame drew huge crowds, and scalped tickets changed hands at Super Bowl prices. (Some college players made a few bucks on the side by playing for semi-pro teams on Sunday, under assumed names of course. Back then, the NCAA was powerless to stop this from happening).

Even though high-profile college games entertain an huge audiences and bring in millions in revenue, the players themselves don't see that revenue because they're subject to what amounts to a salary cap. Actually, worse than a cap: a student-athlete is limited to receiving tuition, room and board. (There are no such limits on how much a coach can earn. In many states, the head football coach at State U. is the highest-paid public employee.) For many athletes, who are not capable of college-level work and/or not interested in pursuing an education, an athletic scholarship is worthless: the school pretends to pay them, they pretend to study.

Unlike the salary caps in the NBA and NFL, the NCAA cap is not the result of negotiation with players but an agreement among member schools. Individual athletes are in effect non-persons with the NCAA; and, even though most are 18 years old or older, they're more or less treated like wards of the school for which they play. Or perhaps apprentices, who are forced to put in an apprenticeship thanks to age limits imposed by the pro leagues.

The NCAA, of course, doesn't use the term "salary cap." It uses the vaguer term, "amateurism," a bedrock principle of the organization since it was founded in 1906. Here, too, the NCAA plays fast and loose with words. Strictly speaking, an "amateur" is a person who plays a sport for the love of it. That term properly describes the weekend golfer, the person training for his or her first marathon, or the softball team sponsored by the local bar and grill--not the guy trying to sink a one-and-one with no time left on the clock in a regional final.

The term "amateur" was twisted out of context even before the NCAA seized upon it. In Victorian England, the upper classes used amateurism to protect themselves from competition from working men. Gentlemen shouldn't accept money to compete, they decreed. Of course, they didn't need the money. Hall of Fame sportswriter Leonard Koppett once called the concept of amateurism "sick," and it's hard to improve on his description.

To flesh out its notion of amateurism, the NCAA publishes a doorstop-size manual, which is so opaque and complex that even lawyers shudder at the thought of it. The organization's application of the rules sometimes defy logic. For instance, Drew Henson played quarterback at Michigan but spent his summers making millions playing baseball. That didn't endanger his amateur status in football. On the other hand, Jeremy Bloom played wide receiver at Colorado, but the NCAA stripped him of his eligibility because Bloom, a world-class skier, had been paid to endorse ski equipment.

The Bloom case gained wide attention, but NCAA bureaucrats have stuck their noses into much smaller breaches of their version of amateurism, such as athletes who get walk-on movie roles and modeling contracts, or who even posed for sorority charity calendars. At the same time, the local sporting goods stores sell replica jerseys of current players--an irony that hasn't gone unnoticed.

How unfair has the system become? Walter Byers, who for decades was the NCAA's executive director (which made him the de facto emperor of college sports), assailed amateurism in his 1997 book, Unsportsmanlike Conduct. Byers admitted that he'd helped create a monster, and accused the organization of being a conspiracy against college athletes.

Oddly, most of those who publicly advocate ending the hypocrisy of amateurism and paying players for their services are free-market conservatives. Many progressives wish that college sports would simply go away, which is highly unlikely given the political and economic forces that prop up the status quo. They ignore the issues of whether college athletic programs exploit players--one can argue that this is a labor issue--and what can be done about it.

This diary isn't a call for a boycott of March Madness, merely a reminder about the seamy side of big-time college sports--and they don't get bigger than this tournament. When you watch the games, think about this: What happens to those players who use up their eligibility, can't make it to the next level in basketball, and have no hope of earning a degree? You'll never see them featured in CBS's "up-close-and-personal" human interest stories. They're history. Literally.

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  •  And on a related note (12+ / 0-)

    On MSNBC.com today, Newsweek's Mark Starrcriticized the NBA's age limit. One quote in particular stood out:

    These young adults, almost all black and from difficult financial circumstances, are denied the chance to hawk their talents in the NBA marketplace to owners who have been more than willing to pay. If these kids are too young for NBA basketball, how can we let men and women that same age enlist in the military, a choice with far greater risks, and far fewer financial rewards?

    Replete with "misstatements" and elisions and retracted and redacted and revoked assertions.--Carl Bernstein on HRC's record.

    by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Wed Mar 14, 2007 at 05:30:32 PM PDT

  •  Screw it (6+ / 0-)

    Take the games out of the college setting where they do little except pervert college standards and let the pro leagues fund their developmental league.  Put all resources into scholastics and if you want to play intermural ball well and good.  The last thing that is needed is to give the prima donnas on the teams even more of a seperation from the reality of life.

    •  It's a "how do you un-ring a bell?" problem (4+ / 0-)

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      The colleges are being used by the NBA and NFL, but don't want to get out of the entertainment business. I suspect that many big-time college athletic directors would like to roll the clock back to the 1970s, when few players could come out early, but are prevented from doing so on account of those pesky antitrust laws.

      Replete with "misstatements" and elisions and retracted and redacted and revoked assertions.--Carl Bernstein on HRC's record.

      by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Wed Mar 14, 2007 at 05:38:24 PM PDT

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      •  aI think it is unringing itself (1+ / 0-)

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        somewhat.  More players coming out early lessens the draw for the schools.  But, I really don't see this as a big problem because I have very little sympathy for someone who goes to college so that they can play ball.  Maybe thay get a bad deal, maybe they get fortune beyond belief or reason, the whole thing is a crock.  But I do love to watch it.

  •  I think athletes (3+ / 0-)

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    should receive a one year scholarship for every year they play, but they can use that scholarship whenever they wish.  Some will choose to be student athletes while others will choose to use that educational opportunity later in life.  

    My candidate voted to ban the use of cluster bombs on kids. Did yours?

    by clonecone on Wed Mar 14, 2007 at 05:40:49 PM PDT

    •  That's a really good idea (4+ / 0-)

      Not everyone is ready to go to college at age 17 or 18, even if he or she has developed good study habits in high school and doesn't have to balance sports and academics. Some people my age (perhaps yours truly) would have benefitted from a "gap year" between high school and college, but the Selective Service System would have swooped in.

      Replete with "misstatements" and elisions and retracted and redacted and revoked assertions.--Carl Bernstein on HRC's record.

      by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Wed Mar 14, 2007 at 05:56:39 PM PDT

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      •  Not my age (3+ / 0-)

        there was no draft in the early 90s, but I know what you are saying.

        I knew a lot of athletes when I was in college and very few of them got the full educational experience.  Too many missed classes due to travel, too isolated due too fame, too focused on dreams of going pro...I know many of them would love to go back now and actually learn something that matters instead of taking the major that gave them the greatest amount of free time.

        My candidate voted to ban the use of cluster bombs on kids. Did yours?

        by clonecone on Wed Mar 14, 2007 at 06:11:05 PM PDT

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        •  Travel demands on athletes have gotten worse (1+ / 0-)

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          That's especially true in basketball. During the 1970s, most Big 10 games were played on Thursday nights and Saturday afternoons, minimizing the number of classes missed. Even the NCAA tournament rounds were played on Thursday and Saturday.

          Replete with "misstatements" and elisions and retracted and redacted and revoked assertions.--Carl Bernstein on HRC's record.

          by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Wed Mar 14, 2007 at 06:37:58 PM PDT

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  •  Question about this: (3+ / 0-)

    What happens to those players who use up their eligibility, can't make it to the next level in basketball, and have no hope of earning a degree?

    How would it be possible for a player to use up their eligibility w/o the possiblity of earning a degree, what with minimum course load and GPA requirements? If they're playing, that should mean that they are taking - and passing - classes.

    I understand that college athletics generates an unGodly amount of money (I'm an Alabama football fan, for heaven's sake), but I'm still not necessarily in the "pay the kids" camp. I would think that a four-year scholarship, meal plan, room and board, books, etc. would be enough in the way of compensation. (At Alabama, the above would likely amount to well over $80,000 - it would of course amount to much more at Notre Dame or Michigan or UCLA.)

    And, the fact is, it can be done. DeMeco Ryans graduated from the University of Alabama a year early (with a 4.0 in business), went ahead and played for one more year with the Tide, and was the 2006 NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year. Talk about making the most of an opportunity.

     

    "Remember all the movies, Terry, that we'd go see / trying to learn how to walk like the heroes we thought we had to be." - The Boss

    by turnover on Wed Mar 14, 2007 at 05:45:02 PM PDT

    •  Correction: (0+ / 0-)

      Ryans graduated with a 3.7 GPA (cum laude) in seven semesters.

      "Remember all the movies, Terry, that we'd go see / trying to learn how to walk like the heroes we thought we had to be." - The Boss

      by turnover on Wed Mar 14, 2007 at 06:00:26 PM PDT

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    •  Dead-end majors at some colleges (0+ / 0-)

      A number of colleges have been accused of shunting football and basketball players into majors such as communications and criminal justice. That really shouldn't happen if schools made sure student-athletes were making "reasonable progress" toward a degree.

      Replete with "misstatements" and elisions and retracted and redacted and revoked assertions.--Carl Bernstein on HRC's record.

      by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Wed Mar 14, 2007 at 06:00:32 PM PDT

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      •  I agree. (0+ / 0-)

        I think that every program (football, basketball, tennis, what have you) at an NCAA affiliate school should be required to maintain a certain graduation rate - no clue as to where you should set the mark.

        If, though, this grad rate is not maintained, the program sanctioned. Loss of scholarships, television coverage, etc.

        "Remember all the movies, Terry, that we'd go see / trying to learn how to walk like the heroes we thought we had to be." - The Boss

        by turnover on Wed Mar 14, 2007 at 06:04:51 PM PDT

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      •  Those aren't dead end majors per se (1+ / 0-)

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        Criminal Justice degrees can be used in a variety of fields such as government and law enforcement. As for communications, though, I'm more inclined to agree with you.

    •  So then open the market. (2+ / 0-)

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      For most players, it probably is in the ball park for their proper remuneration. Some would prefer cash. Others should be able to demand higher salaries. Open up the market like in any other field.

      If you're a graduate student in a well-funded field, different universities will offer differing stipends and benefits to get you - it's never a great deal, but while the standard salary is 20k, some can get 20-40k + insurance (on top of no tuition).

      Why not treat the players the same?

      •  Right. And some would prefer tuition vouchers (0+ / 0-)

        As pointed out upthread, athletes could use them later on after using up their eligibility or perhaps during semesters when they don't have to play or practice.

        Replete with "misstatements" and elisions and retracted and redacted and revoked assertions.--Carl Bernstein on HRC's record.

        by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Wed Mar 14, 2007 at 06:06:47 PM PDT

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      •  Players are generally undergrads... (0+ / 0-)

        ...are rarely do undergrads receive stipends of this type.

        Again - 80k+ in tuition and a meal plan and room & board and books, etc., seems like a pretty good deal to me.

        "Remember all the movies, Terry, that we'd go see / trying to learn how to walk like the heroes we thought we had to be." - The Boss

        by turnover on Wed Mar 14, 2007 at 06:08:22 PM PDT

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        •  And undergrads are never required to perform. (2+ / 0-)

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          Graduate students have to do research, 40-80 hours a week, have it reviewed, and such to stay in good standing. After the first year or two, they don't have classes (or at least very many). Normal undergrad scholarships just require you to take classes -- pretty much any you want -- and get good grades.

          Athletics is more like graduate stipends than student scholarships. The current system is a good deal for some, and a crappy deal for others. That's why a free-market would be better - for those who want the current deal, they'd be perfectly free to take it. Others could take the cash.

          Also, the $80k isn't a real $80k. Tuition, etc, isn't really $80k per student. Those are the "retail" prices paid by well-off, underperforming students to subsidize the rest. It would be fairer to compare the average real-costs as the "market" value of those benefits.

  •  College sports are my guilty pleasure... (3+ / 0-)

    it's like a crack habit--you have to know that there is a lot of wrong associated with it, but it feels sooooo good.

    Anyway, my beef is the prop-48 rule. Players can get into a school with dubious academics, be ineligible their first year, prove themselves in the classroom and gain eligibility. So far, makes sense.

    But get this, they then have to appeal to the NCAA to get their 4th year of eligibility. What the hell is the point of that? Once a player earns their way onto the field via the classroom, why continue to punish them?

    The average non-athlete in college does not attain a degree in four years. Is it reasonable to expect one with the equivalant of a full-time job to do so?

    •  Why not four years over a five-year period? (2+ / 0-)

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      Period, with no having to get a waiver or go through an appeals process. Make that applicable to athletes who get injured, have personal problems, or who are kept out because of low high school grades and/or standardized test scores. It's not as though players will stay on college rosters forever.

      Replete with "misstatements" and elisions and retracted and redacted and revoked assertions.--Carl Bernstein on HRC's record.

      by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Wed Mar 14, 2007 at 06:03:13 PM PDT

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      •  Exactly. (2+ / 0-)

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        I know a kid through a friend, he had a terrible background, got a d-1 football scholarship on prop 48.

        Went to school and it changed his life. He's a B student, never a bit of trouble, played three years (made 2nd team all-conference), but now he's out of eligibilty and is sweating whether the NCAA will give him the fifth year and he can't appeal until this summer.

        I'm told he's about 15 hours short of his degree.

        That's just insane.

      •  I like this idea. (0+ / 0-)

        The redshirting process accomplishes some of this, but standardizing it in an across-the-board manner would be nice. The less red tape, the better, for everyone involved.

        "Remember all the movies, Terry, that we'd go see / trying to learn how to walk like the heroes we thought we had to be." - The Boss

        by turnover on Wed Mar 14, 2007 at 06:10:17 PM PDT

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    •  How about requiring the colleges to give (2+ / 0-)

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      scholarships with no football requirement. For most undergraduate students, if they get a scholarship for almost any talent, they are not required to have a specific "performance" for the university. They are required to make adequate grades, but they can change majors or shift the focus from one art field to another. I've never heard of say, a photography scholarship requiring a certain number of exhibitions per year, or such.

      So, if these are really students, and not employees paid under the table, they should be able to decide to be swimmers, or get on the badminton team, and drop football.

      --end snark--

      •  Scholarships used to be 4-year deals (1+ / 0-)

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        And legally, they were considered gifts: if a player washed out of a program, the university was still on the hook for tuition, room, and board. That was back in the days there was much less financial pressure to win.

        I believe that scholarships in Division III are still awarded on that basis.

        Replete with "misstatements" and elisions and retracted and redacted and revoked assertions.--Carl Bernstein on HRC's record.

        by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Wed Mar 14, 2007 at 06:34:00 PM PDT

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        •  I wonder what the IRS rules on this are? (0+ / 0-)

          It's hard to argue that football is part of the "education" process. And they are still "gifts" of education - that's how universities get around giving benefits to graduate students. I'd bet that sports scholarships are on even shakier ground, as the "gift" is education, but some of the requirements are clearly not intended to advance the "gift".

  •  can't get rid of it (2+ / 0-)

    Big-time college sports will always be with us, especially in states with no pro teams they are often the main source of entertainment.  I don't have any problem with paying the athletes, as a lot of people are making money off college sports, the kids should not have to scrape by, especially those from disadvantaged backrounds.  

    Of course more intellectual integrity should be required from these programs.  However, anyone who has been around the more "big-time" athletes knows that a lot of these kids have been pampered since a young age (especially true in basketball when you know who will be tall and good quickly).  Their high schools let them slide by, by the time they get to college they are completely lost if they even try to go to class and learn.  Maybe the school should have to pay for vocational training or something for these kids, since most of the can't miss high school stars end up missing.

    Good diary.  It's a problem but I'm genuinely not sure what the solution is.  Probably less hypocrisy from the NCAA about "student-athletes" would help.

    •  Ever heard of the "Flutie effect"? (2+ / 0-)

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      Many college administrators believe that a successful football or basketball program will attract students, citing the example of Boston College after Doug Flutie's magic season in 1984.

      Replete with "misstatements" and elisions and retracted and redacted and revoked assertions.--Carl Bernstein on HRC's record.

      by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Wed Mar 14, 2007 at 06:05:06 PM PDT

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      •  I think that's true, (0+ / 0-)

        but big state schools generally don't need more students, what they need is money, as many of them are underfunded by state legislatures who figure all those librul perfessers don't need any more money.  And corporate America has figured out how to get them the money, that would be the reason my football team went 6-6 last year and still went to a corporate sponsored bowl game.  The only people who don't get a cut are the athletes (assuming they are not being paid under the table in one way or another).

  •  Another concern: academic progress (3+ / 0-)

    Each year Prof. Richard Lapchick releases his study at this time: All-Academic NCAA Brackets

    Of the 65 colleges and universities with teams in the men’s tournament, 41 had graduated more than half of the basketball players who entered their institutions from 1996 through 1999, using the NCAA-derived Graduation Success Rate. That rate does not count as non-graduates those athletes who left the institutions (to transfer to other colleges or to play in the NBA) as long as they were in good academic standing. But only 30 of the teams exceeded 50 percent on the standard graduation rate that the federal government uses, which counts any athlete who did not graduate within six years as a non-graduate.

    The picture was significantly worse for black basketball players, according to the institute’s data. While 41 of the men’s tournament teams graduated 70 percent or more of their white basketball players under the Graduation Success Rate, only 19 graduated 70 percent or more of their African-American players using that measure. Twenty-nine teams have a 30 percentage point or greater gap between the graduation rates of white and black basketball student-athletes.

    •  Lapchick is a voice in the wilderness (1+ / 0-)

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      He and Alan Sack, anong others, have been trying to get this issue on the radar screen for many years.

      Replete with "misstatements" and elisions and retracted and redacted and revoked assertions.--Carl Bernstein on HRC's record.

      by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Wed Mar 14, 2007 at 06:18:34 PM PDT

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      •  Sack got his undergrad degree from where? (2+ / 0-)

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        Everything you say is true, yet our undergrad alma mater squares this circle a hell of a lot better than almost anyone else does.  Sack's teammate on the '66 NC winners, Alan Page, is, of course, a (Democratic) MN Supreme Court Justice.  Mike Oriard, a freshman that year (pre-freshman eligibility) became a tenured English prof and wrote a couple of books.

        Notre Dame, admittedly, has a unique set of circumstances working for it.  The fact remains, however, that it takes the term "student-athlete" seriously.  The graduation rates are always high even though there are no PE or rec majors to hide athletes.

        There is a team w/ a 6 seed (that should be higher) this year that has players who are getting top-flight educations.

        Some men see things as they are and ask why. I see things that never were and ask why not?

        by RFK Lives on Wed Mar 14, 2007 at 07:31:25 PM PDT

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        •  Oriard wrote a great article in the NYT (2+ / 0-)

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          About five years ago, he wrote about how the demands on today's major-college football players were an order of magnitude greater than when he played at Notre Dame. His sons--a couple of big, strapping guys--couldn't get scholarships at Division I schools, and he wondered whether he'd have been able to spend as much time on his academics today as he did when he played at ND.

          An aside: In 1969-70, when I was an undergrad, three football players lived in the suite across from my single room in Sorin Hall (there was no such animal as an athletic dorm at ND). One of the three was Larry DiNardo, who went on to law school and is now practicing in Chicago--an odd place for the son of a NYC police officer to wind up.

          Replete with "misstatements" and elisions and retracted and redacted and revoked assertions.--Carl Bernstein on HRC's record.

          by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Wed Mar 14, 2007 at 07:44:14 PM PDT

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          •  Clearly, the time demands changed... (0+ / 0-)

            starting in the 80's.  I was a student mgr in the late 70's, and the weight training then was nothing like it was a decade later.

            A close friend went to ND law school w/ DiNardo.  I recall him as an A-A guard or tackle, as I went to a fair # of games in that era.  

            ND will never have jock dorms.  Montana lived in my dorm before I got there, but he was married and living OC by the time I arrived.

            Some men see things as they are and ask why. I see things that never were and ask why not?

            by RFK Lives on Thu Mar 15, 2007 at 05:46:21 AM PDT

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  •  Excellent diary... (2+ / 0-)

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    thanks.

    Although, do you have to mention the whole 'Michigan losing' thing???  I remember a couple of them all too well (plus, by remembering Michigan in the NCAA Final Four, let alone the NCAA Tournament; I think we're both starting to show our age - it's been awhile, ehh???).

    But you've made some great points here, thanks.

  •  The students are entitled to something surely (1+ / 0-)

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    Apart from the scholarships. A monthly stipend

    Those who cant graduate within the the stipulated period should still be allowed back to school whenever they feel like

    •  At one point, "laundry money" was permitted (0+ / 0-)

      It wasn't much, perhaps enough to pay for the occasional pizza but certainly not for a plane ticket home. Even if you're from the same racial and cultural background as your fellow students, you're vulnerable to getting homesick. Imagine what it's like if you're African American and from a large city and suddenly find yourself in a town like Manhattan, Kansas.

      Replete with "misstatements" and elisions and retracted and redacted and revoked assertions.--Carl Bernstein on HRC's record.

      by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Wed Mar 14, 2007 at 06:26:34 PM PDT

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  •  I am disgusted that Ohio State (1+ / 0-)

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    can make money off Greg Oden's jersey or Florida  
    Joakim Noah's and they can't get a dime.  Or God help a school that flies the parents of a player that plays in the biggest game of the year, yet the rich white guy is wined and dined. 100 years ago Theodore Roosevelt forced college presidents to reform football or ban it, and that began the NCAA, I think it is time for reform again.  NCAA is slavery.

    Let em eat jellybeans, Let em eat cake, Let em eat shit, cause they can't make it here anymore-James McMurtry

    by Mr Stagger Lee on Wed Mar 14, 2007 at 06:34:54 PM PDT

    •  Skyboxes have made the situation worse (0+ / 0-)

      Not long ago, I read that some high schools have installed luxury boxes for local movers and shakers who can't afford the high-roller treatment at State U.

      Replete with "misstatements" and elisions and retracted and redacted and revoked assertions.--Carl Bernstein on HRC's record.

      by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Wed Mar 14, 2007 at 06:39:48 PM PDT

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  •  Ok, what is up with collective idiocy m. (1+ / 0-)

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    that decided Syracuse wasn't in it but the Albany Great Danes are?????

    IMO, there's a fix in somewhere, somehow...

    Money is the magic wand that turns a prince into a frog.

    by sylvien on Wed Mar 14, 2007 at 07:36:03 PM PDT

    •  Automatic bids for mid-major conferences (1+ / 0-)

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      America East is one of those conferences. Their function is to provide the occasional upset in the first two rounds, then fade away come the regionals. Last year, though, George Mason violated the unwritten rule and sneaked into the Final Four. Great for tournament junkies but awful for CBS, which had to sell a school the casual fan hadn't heard of.

      Love your sigline, by the way.

      Replete with "misstatements" and elisions and retracted and redacted and revoked assertions.--Carl Bernstein on HRC's record.

      by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Wed Mar 14, 2007 at 07:51:36 PM PDT

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      •  Ahh, George Mason.. (1+ / 0-)

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        Fodder for many a not so flattering schtick last year.. Local radio jocks had much fun with that!  

        Honestly, this is the first year in a long time my husband and I just don't give a rats patoot.  We always watched and rooted but each and every year now it seems more contrived and scripted.  

        Re the siglines, yours is profound.  Mine is just based on unfortunate personal experiemce!

        Money is the magic wand that turns a prince into a frog.

        by sylvien on Wed Mar 14, 2007 at 08:18:52 PM PDT

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  •  Well (1+ / 0-)

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    I honestly think that players should be required to complete all four years and graduate. I say this because not everyone is going to make it into the NFL or the NBA. In fact the vast majority of atheletes who do play in Division 1 sports don't go onto professional level. Of the ones who do most play maybe a year or two before washing out.

    I once went to a physical therapy practice whose founder was a former NFL player. He told me that most players have very short careers, make much less money than the famous players like Peyton Manning et al, and then return to the normal world.

    I think that they should be required to pass with a nomina 2.0 average or be forced off the team without question. They should also be required to graduate. The NFL and NBA should be strict about that too.

    For ultimately--and this happens every now and then--a Division 1 star athelete's career ends suddenly in the pros before it starts due to an unforseen injury. Then what happens to those players who have no degree?

    I know that I am in the minority here and that this will not change, but this is the way I think it should be.

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