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Defeating Fred Thompson

Thu Mar 15, 2007 at 06:21:31 PM PDT

The possibility of former Senator Fred Thompson jumping into the 2008 for President has been discussed here and elsewhere.  The idea has evoked a mixture of speculation, apprehension and bravado over the possibility and what it means to Democrats.

For myself, considering that presidents are still elected based mainly on perceived personality, I think that Mr. Thompson represents the single best hope for the GOP to hold on to the White House, and the single biggest threat to Democrats' '08 hopes.

But he's not unbeatable.  More after the jump.

Fred Thompson has a number of things going for him:

  • Name recognition
  • "Hero" persona from his movie and TV appearances, including an image as a military leader
  • A no-nonsense, "genuine" affectation
  • Conservative street cred
  • Experience in government

Plus, if he gets a good campaign manager who has the competence to define Thompson with moderate-sounding speeches, policy promises and proposals, he might be able to pull a "George Dubya" and fool enough of the people for enough of the time to get the White House.

Thompson's main advantages tie heavily into the kind of characters he's played on TV and in the movies.  Hell, I've really liked his appearances in such movies as "Hunt for Red October".  His greatest strength is the impression that he's a genuine leader of good judgement.

But from this strength comes a weakness: Fred Thompson is an actor.  By definition, he knows how to fool people.  How genuine is he really?  Who can tell?

More importantly, Fred Thompson is a former Senator.  As we saw with John Kerry, it is simplicity itself to use a Senator's voting record against him.  And when you're trying to establish your bona fides based upon an impression that you're genuine, inconsistency and the sense that you are (dare we say it) a "flip-flopper" could very well be the kiss of death.

But it gets potentially worse for Thompson.  If today's missive is any indicator, a "Fred" administration would be nothing more nor less than a continuation of what we have right now.  He's literally more of the same -- a wholehearted embrace of policies that have dragged the current White House occupant permanently below the 40% approval mark.  What's more, that occupant is a guy who talks a good game ("compassionate conservatism" -- what a wonderful idea) and projected a "genuine" image and yet turned out to be utter crap: a deeply dishonest, incompetent, extremist leader with little regard for the good of the nation.

Combine that with Sen. Thompson's backing of Scooter Libby,  and it becomes pretty easy to hang the "Bush" albatross around Thompson's neck.  That's a weight that might even hurt him with conservatives.

I see a pattern emerging, and one that counters Thompson's greatest strength head on.

Fred Thompson is a threat.  But his strengths also make him vulnerable.  It's important to keep that in mind, and not hesitate to use it if (I believe "when") he gets the GOP presidential nod.

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  •  If I were a betting man (4+ / 0-)

    I would bet that he is the nominee in 2008. Despite his affair with Margaret Carlson.

    See you at the debate, bitches!

    by calipygian on Thu Mar 15, 2007 at 06:22:00 PM PDT

  •  Tip jar, comments, suggestions... (13+ / 0-)

    I have yet to go over Thompson's Senate record in detail, but I'm sure there are lots of goodies in there for the asking.

    I almost hope he gets the GOP nomination.

  •  Nice diary with some very nice points. (1+ / 0-)

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    Jonathan

    If I may, I posted a diary earlier today in response to the rawstory.com article in which I point out one of his falsehoods here.

    I am totally with you on this.  We need to start pre-emptively getting our ducks in a row for Thompson early. :)

    Steven Joseph :)

    "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."--Evelyn Beatrice Hall. "Hide the troll!"--StevenJoseph

    by StevenJoseph on Thu Mar 15, 2007 at 06:31:09 PM PDT

  •  Well, my wife and I met him (5+ / 0-)

    in the grocery store.  Made a pleasant recognition of him and said a hello...and he essentially told us to fuck off.  He's a really swell guy!  His personality isn't going to win him any votes.  If he smiles, you can bet it's contrived.  

    The longer I live, the clearer I perceive how unmatchable a compliment one pays when he says of a man "he has the courage to utter his convictions." Mark Twain

    by Persiflage on Thu Mar 15, 2007 at 06:38:48 PM PDT

  •  Why a fake prosecutor? (3+ / 0-)

    Alberto Gonzales sacked all of the prosecutors on "Law and Order" so he's out of a job.

    His former ship (the aircraft carrier in "Hunt for Red October") sprung a leak after its last retrofit was outsourced to Halliburton Dubai, so that's not a career option.

    So the White House is about the only gig that's going to open up in the next few years.

    So who do you run against a fake DA and fake naval commander who wants to succeed a fake President?

    I think we should run a fake news anchor!  Draft Jon Stewart!

  •  Fred could get some tratcion (2+ / 0-)

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    StevenJoseph, Sandy on Signal

    But I think Newt sealed the Deal with Dobson, so NEwt looks to get the religious right endorsement. Fred will have to settle for the Neo COn endorsement.

    I dont see Fred doing much better than Hagel or Newt.

    I like your diary but I am not so worried. Our top 4 candidates can whip their best any day of the week.

    And dont even talk about Gore, who I think is nearly unbeatable, positioned perfectly for a guy ....not running......  LOL.

    FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

    by Roger Fox on Thu Mar 15, 2007 at 06:49:30 PM PDT

    •  Not so much worry... (0+ / 0-)

      ...as "forewarned is forearmed".  Or something like that.

      I think whoever wins the GOP nomination will face a terrible uphill battle, thanks both to what Bush has done up until now and because he's the gift who keeps on giving.  But Thompson is the best of the bunch, IMHO, from a candidate perspective.

    •  Neocons already lined up behind McCain, Guiliani (0+ / 0-)

      and probably will seek to control whoever gets the nomination.

      But Fred may line up Neocons too.

      Fred's biggest problem: Tommy Thompson.

      2 Thompsons running are going to confuse the heck out of the knuckledraggers in the Rethugs, a huge voting bloc.

      Say what? I'm votin' for that Thompson guy. What? There's 2 of them. Dang, how will I tell them apart? Ok, I'll vote for uh, that Gingrich guy, him I remember.

      Children in the U.S... detained [against] intl. & domestic standards." --Amnesty International

      by doinaheckuvanutjob on Thu Mar 15, 2007 at 09:38:00 PM PDT

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  •  What makes you think (4+ / 0-)

    ... the rest of the GOP field will step aside for Fred?  McCain's team now includes the unscrupulous bastards who ran Bush's show.  If you think they won't unload on Thompson, you're in for a surprise. Plus FT's leadership on the Scooter Libby defense fund is going to go over like a lead balloon.

  •  Actually, I don't... (0+ / 0-)

    ...think that Thompson would be all that tougher to beat than most Republicans.  Especially if we can make them own this war.

  •  You want to defeat (1+ / 0-)

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    doinaheckuvanutjob

    Thompson? Offer him a one year contract to do a Saturday morn kid's show. He'll take the bait and we can all move on to the next "problem".
    Threat Level -4.

    Enjoyed the diary!

    best,
    mikolo

  •  I Dunno, Roseanne May Buy Network Time (3+ / 0-)

    to rerun his appearance as boss Faber on her show some years ago.

    He appears as the stereotypical Republican businessman bitch, if you know what I mean. [/beck]

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Thu Mar 15, 2007 at 07:36:45 PM PDT

  •  Talk to John Dean (3+ / 0-)

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    Jonathan, LNK, MadGeorgiaDem

    Back during the days of Watergate, Fred Thompson served as Minority (GOP) Counsel -- essentially representing Nixon -- during the hearings.  

    As such, it was his job to try to undermine witnesses such as John Dean.  Except the one time he tried it, Dean calmly started bringing up Thompson's various ethical failings -- and Thompson, Mister Ruff and Tuff, shut up and sat down right quick.

    John McCain will end Roe v. Wade if he's president.

    by Phoenix Woman on Thu Mar 15, 2007 at 07:51:01 PM PDT

  •  Here's Wolcott's take (1+ / 0-)

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    FelisRufus

    of Thompson:

    A Fred in Our Future?

    Caught Fred Thompson on Fox News Sunday, flirting with a presidential run, though I can't imagine whom he'd drive into an amorous caucus frenzy.

    God what a grumpy old dog farting on the front porch he was yesterday, parked across the table from Chris Wallace. I so hope he runs.

    snip

    Despite being a two-time Senator, Thompson acts as if he didn't cotton the way they do things in Washington and shouldn't be confused with the rest of those deal-cutting politicians.

    Put his gruff ego on the debate stage and the energy level will drop five octaves and take everybody else down with it.

    My TV isn't equipped with the special high-frequency decoder that enables me to understand Republican dog whistling, but none of Thompson's political positions--opposed to Roe v. Wade? check against gun control? check--struck me as any different than what Duncan Hunter or Sam Brownback or John McCain or the newly reconstituted Mitt Romney espouses.

    Yet he's labeled a "true conservative," and somehow the rest of the field is somehow considered suspect, vaguely inadequate.

    Bring in on, Fred.

    The Republicans want to cut YOUR Social Security benefits.

    by devtob on Thu Mar 15, 2007 at 07:53:34 PM PDT

  •  This guy will defeat himself (0+ / 0-)

    Okay, so he did a nice job as an
    airport control tower manager in Die Hard, but other than that I see him as having virtually
    zero accomplishments.

    Obama used to be for single payer before he came out against it.

    by formernadervoter on Thu Mar 15, 2007 at 08:00:34 PM PDT

  •  Fred Thompson should scare everyone (2+ / 0-)

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    Jonathan, MadGeorgiaDem

    Because he's smart.

    Not just smart, but strategic. Reading the Ghandi link, I learned things about Ghandi that I wasn't even aware of before. His speech was well written, better than most D.C. speeches. It was pointed and sharp. Think about how it plays out in the middle America?

    Thompson's definitly running. His profile suddenly shut up in the last several weeks, beginning with the Libby trial.

    My prediction? If McCain's numbers sink any further, the Republicans will have to find an actual Republican to beat Giuliani in the GOP primaries.

    Thompson is the establishment candidate.

    And he has this really awful way of telling you that you're an asshole, and making you want more.

    I just voted for the next President of the United States, Barack Obama

    by harrylimelives on Thu Mar 15, 2007 at 08:49:11 PM PDT

  •  More about Fred Thompson (3+ / 0-)

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    Jonathan, Sandy on Signal, mikolo

    There is one look on Fred Thompson's face during the Watergate hearings when he realized he's about the last person who still was gung-ho supporting Nixon--I saw it on one of the PBS documentaries. Makes him look like a total tool and a fool.

    Consider Fred Thompson's record.
    He's one of the many Republicans who will HURT you and other non-millionaires.
    -------------Note for a diary I didn't finish:
    An article on the BBC website made me turn my thoughts to Fred Dalton Thompson:

    Washington diary
    Matt Frei examines the disarray in America's Republican party
    Might Fred Thompson be the man the Republicans need?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/...

    . . . .The whiff of corruption is spreading through the administration as fast as the mould creeping up the walls of Building 18 in Washington's Walter Reed Army Medical Center. . . .

    Could it be that the party of Abraham Lincoln is suddenly beginning to look like the Tory party in the dark, dank, dying days of John Major - nasty, niggling and doomed for defeat?

    The search for a suitable candidate continues.

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    Kos wrote:

    Some desperate conservatives are trying to draft the Love Boat's Law & Order's (and former Senator) Fred Thompson into the race, but given that this is the best they can do for a website, it doesn't look like they'll go far.

    http://draftfredthompson.com/...

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    A good diary about Thompson:
    http://www.dailykos.com/...

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/...

    "When Hollywood directors need someone who can personify governmental power, they often turn to him."

    Fred Dalton Thompson (born August 19, 1942) is an American lawyer, actor and former Republican Senator from Tennessee. In addition to acting, he is currently a visiting fellow for the American Enterprise Institute. . . .

    He was responsible for Baker's asking one of the questions that is said to have led directly to the downfall of President Richard Nixon—"What did the President know, and when did he know it?"

    [I heard that the question was designed to provide loopholes...plausible deniability....... because it is not necessarily the kind of question that leads to easy answers, or the kind of evidence needed. Hard to pin down.]

    . . . .In 1977, Thompson took on a Tennessee Parole Board case that ultimately toppled Tennessee Governor Ray Blanton from power on charges of selling pardons. The scandal became the subject of a book and a movie titled Marie (1985) in which Thompson played himself, supposedly because the producers were unable to find a professional actor who could play him plausibly. This film launched his acting career. . . .

    . . . ."he was given an informal position by President George W. Bush to help guide the nominated John Roberts to the confirmation through the United States Senate"

    Among other anti-Progressive issues, John Roberts has a vicious history of working against the rights of workers and of the disabled--my two specialities:  http://www.dkosopedia.com/...
    Esp. Toyota Motor Manufacturing, Ky, Inc. v. Williams. . . .and worse.

    http://ontheissues.org/...
    On the Issues - Fred Thompson issue positions and quotes

    http://www.opensecrets.org/...
    Center for Responsive Politics (aka OpenSecrets.org) campaign contributions
    Note: 92% from Business.

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    House Judiciary Committee of 1974:
    Sen. Fred Thompson, R-Tenn., then a 30-year-old Nashville lawyer, was the minority counsel for the Senate Select Committee that first investigated the Watergate break-in.

    http://www.usatoday.com/...

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    http://www.barnesreview.org/...

    Watergate Revisited

    By Richard J. McGowan

    . . . .Backbiting and backstabbing by both the majority and minority staffs, the seven senators and two chief counsels—the egomaniacal Sam Dash and the duplicitous Fred Thompson—were pulling the committee apart. Democratic staffers did not want to share information with their minority colleagues. Democratic senators distrusted the Republicans and Republican senators distrusted the Democrats and everyone was wary of Weicker’s "maverick" impulses.

    The most incorrigible partisans were Senator Baker and the hand-picked Thompson, a 30-year-old Tennessee lawyer with an Ed ward G. Robinson scowl who had served as Baker’s 1972 senatorial campaign manager. Baker later described Thompson to President Nixon as a "Tennessee lawyer with brass balls." Their mission was to make things easier for the White House whenever possible, leak pro-White House stories and fight the immunity process for anti-administration witnesses.

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    http://www.australianpolitics.com/...

    Statement by Senator Fred Thompson (R-Tennessee)
    Following is a statement from the Senate's closed deliberations on the articles of impeachment against President Clinton, excerpts of which senators were allowed to publish in the Congressional Record for Friday, February 12, 1999.


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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

    Senate Chair Favors Ending Counsel Law

    Republican Sen. Fred Thompson of Tennessee. (Post file photo)

    By George Lardner Jr. and Dan Morgan
    Washington Post Staff Writers
    Friday, December 11, 1998
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    The Corruption of American Politics: What Went Wrong and Why (Hardcover)
    by Elizabeth Drew (Author) "Dressed dapperly as usual, in a gray pin-stripe suit, a white shirt with French cuffs, and a maroon tie, Fred Thompson looked older, more sophisticated..." (more)
    http://www.amazon.com/...

    Reviewer:

    Drew is sometimes charged with that dogmatic descriptor "liberal bias," but her heroes in this book are two Republicans: Fred Thompson and John McCain. So I don't think said "bias" influences this book one way or another (anyone can find bias if looking for it)

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    Diaries on Daily Kos, with links.

    http://www.dailykos.com/...
    Good information, but ad hominem attacks make it too easy to dismiss.

    http://www.dailykos.com/...
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    http://www.dailykos.com/...
    Some excellent comments about how Thompson is lucky not to have recent political experience (Bush Admin taint) but he's linked tightly to Scooter Libby and John McCain.

    http://www.dailykos.com/...
    Thompson fundraising for Libby defense, supports a pardon.

    Best Diary of the Year? http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/23/03912/3990

    by LNK on Thu Mar 15, 2007 at 09:01:12 PM PDT

  •  Oh God, not another actor, please. (0+ / 0-)

    The last time we had an actor in the White House, we ended up quadrupling the national debt, selling arms to our enemies, fighting a slew of mini- wars and screwing the working class into the ground. I'm sure all of us here could add substantially to the list of things Reagan screwed up.

    The Reagan years, in spite of all the hype about how wonderful they were, laid much of the groundwork for the troubles we are facing and paying for today.

    As for Freddie, IMHO, I think we can take him. Our greatest assest is that the moron currently stinking up the Oval Office has 22 months more to keep f**king up. That's a lot of time that he can use to turn the GOP brand into a steaming pile of dog shit.  

    The loudest cries for war come from those who have never seen one.

    by MadGeorgiaDem on Thu Mar 15, 2007 at 09:08:03 PM PDT

  •  Damn, I miss Nora Lewin (0+ / 0-)

    Do you think they could bring back a decent DA on Law and Order if Thompson runs for president?  Or will he get to stay on the show getting free air time as he runs?  That would be the Republican thing  to do.  

    Build the Wilshire Subway!

    by SoCalLiberal on Thu Mar 15, 2007 at 09:22:27 PM PDT

  •  Fred Thompson Kicks Gandhi's Ass (0+ / 0-)

    Fred Thompson really kicks Gandhi's ass in his piece at the National Review. He's not one of those fake politicians who have to prove how tough they are by knocking down straw men.

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