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The Authoritarians Chapter One

Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 10:16:26 PM PDT

Chapter one concerns the measurement of people to be authoritarian followers. It will end with a simulation game called the Global Change Game played by high authoritarians and low authoritarians. The basic measurement is a test called the RWA Scale i.e. The Right-Wing Authoritarianism scale. And you can take it yourself in this chapter for the purpose of understanding how an authoritarian thinks.  You will be taken into the statistics used to establish the reliability and validity of this test.

Checkout my diary on the preface and introduction and watch for Chapter Two tomorrow.

OK time to jump!

But ultimately, in a democracy, a wannabe tyrant is just a comical figure on a soapbox unless a huge wave of supporters lifts him to high office. That’s how Adolf Hitler destroyed the Wiemar Republic and became the Fuhrer. So we need to understand the people out there doing the wave. Ultimately the problem lay in the followers.

This means all those people blabbing on talk radio. It means Rush and O'Reilly and their adoring audience. It means FOX News.

So he tells us about them"

Authoritarian followers usually support the established authorities in their society, such as government officials and traditional religious leaders. Such people have historically been the “proper” authorities in life, the time-honored, entitled, customary leaders, and that means a lot to most authoritarians.  Psychologically these followers have personalities featuring:

  1. a high degree of submission to the established, legitimate authorities in    

   their society;

  1. high levels of aggression in the name of their authorities; and
  1. a high level of conventionalism.

Gulp. Then he gives you the test, tells you how to take it and grade it and cautions you in interpreting it. He discusses the validity which is the measure that tells you how excellent a test is as it gives you a number that says how well it measures what it says it measures. Then he goes into how it was validated. Made up circumstances are submitted to students and correlated with their RWA scores. Do people who score high on the RWA scale submit to authority more than those who score low. How about those who believed Nixon did nothing wrong? Or that Hitler did not murder 6 million Jews? Or electronic spying on American citizens? Or torture? Can all these instances be rationalized by high RWA's? Read and you will see. And shudder.

He discusses Authoritarian Submission in terms of our present political danger. His made up stories that are presented to high and low RWA students and the results can be predicted by any person here. He mentions Milgram's famous experiement the Milgram Experiment and the results as interpreted by high RWA and low RWA scorers.

Authoritarian Aggression is investigated in much the same way. Stories and judgements of them are correlated with high and low scores. The relevance is particularly important in evaluating juries, as high RWA's give longer sentences, harsher punishment. Then he creates informal inventories of prejudice, racial stereotypes and behavior. He pushes these examples to the extreme to showthat high RWA's will persecute even those people who are most like themselves!

Finally, just to take this to its ludicrous extreme, I asked for reactions to a “law
to eliminate right-wing authoritarians.” (I told the subjects that right-wing
authoritarians are people who are so submissive to authority, so aggressive in the
name of authority, and so conventional that they may pose a threat to democratic rule.)
RWA scale scores did not connect as solidly with joining this posse as they had in the
other cases. Surely some of the high RWAs realized that if they supported this law,
they were being the very people whom the law would persecute, and the posse should
therefore put itself in jail. But not all of them realized this, for authoritarian followers
still favored, more than others did, a law to persecute themselves. You can almost hear
the circuits clanking shut in their  brains: “If the government says these people are
dangerous, then they’ve got to be stopped.”

Unauthoritarians and Authoritarians: Worlds of Difference

This is the part where the Global Change Game is described as played by highs and lows, on separate nights in October 1996. Read the description of the game and weep. It is a fascinating account.

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  •  rec'd again, but... (9+ / 0-)

    I'm up, but who else is? It might be more productive to post these during peak hours, for the eyeballs. Then again, maybe all the real readers are the night owls? :)

    •  I'd love to but the software won't let me (7+ / 0-)

      as I published last night just after midnight. So I will have to skip a day to get a better time and time is running out on us. People here don't know about it and I get get any front page coverager. This Plame thing just goes on and on and Gonzales and this book gets at the root of it all so we can stop all this clambering around in the trees and chop down their trunks. Sorry, infortunate metaphor using trees but I'm so hot I can't think of a better one.

      The Authoritarians

      Read this book so we can save our world.

      And be with us at bookflurries on 3-24 as Altemeyer and John Dean will be there for responding in the comments.

      FUKUOKA: Part of my purpose is to create a society where no one has to do anything.PARACELSUS:So then, you wormy and lousy Sophist...

      by abbeysbooks on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 10:32:35 PM PDT

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      •  Ok, so... (2+ / 0-)

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        Get someone else (someone with more name recognition as well?) to post one, and then you can wait a bit longer. LithiumCola, buhdydharma, anyone else interested in writing up an Authoritarians diary tomorrow day? I'd be happy to, but that would almost guarantee that no one would see it! :)

        •  Thanks I'll ask budhydharma (1+ / 0-)

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          FUKUOKA: Part of my purpose is to create a society where no one has to do anything.PARACELSUS:So then, you wormy and lousy Sophist...

          by abbeysbooks on Fri Mar 16, 2007 at 10:47:50 PM PDT

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        •  I asked budy but he said it didn't (1+ / 0-)

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          feel groovy to him.

          As long as you put authoritarians and Altemeyer in the title it will get read. And then I have asked someone to do chapter 3 on Sunday from my page and I have explained that Iwon't be around tocoment. The I do 4 on Monday, 5 on Tuesday, 6 on Wednesday and 7 on Thursday and the review on Friday for the big day!

          I think we will have enough serious people that can use it and run with it. I need to get ahold of conceptual guerilla as I know he will love it.

          FUKUOKA: Part of my purpose is to create a society where no one has to do anything.PARACELSUS:So then, you wormy and lousy Sophist...

          by abbeysbooks on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 04:02:27 AM PDT

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      •  Did anyone take the test in Chapter 1? (3+ / 0-)

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        I'd guess most people here have relatively low scores. Mine was 37.

        Average score is around 90.

        "Control oil and you control nations; control food and you control people..." Henry Kissinger

        by truong son traveler on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 03:17:46 AM PDT

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      •  Please keep posting (2+ / 0-)

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        I search for this diary because I think this is so important.

        -1.63/ -1.49 "Speaking truth to power"

        by dopper0189 on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 03:32:52 AM PDT

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    •  Real readers are the insomniacs (0+ / 0-)

      It could be late at night, the middle of the night, or very early in the morning.....in my experience.

      /snarking?

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      by LNK on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 10:46:40 PM PDT

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  •  Absolutely great (4+ / 0-)

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    Just devoured two chapters, going back to read more. So fantastic of you to diary this, and do the reminders.

    I'll have more to say about the content later. Such rich material!

    Thanks, abbeysbooks.

    "There are four boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order." Ed Howdershelt

    by JuliaAnn on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 02:22:20 AM PDT

    •  Thanks. (4+ / 0-)

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      I know this is a big favor to ask but I am in the diary rut of posting late and can't get out. If you could do a short one on chapter two with some of the sample questions (no more than 3) and some of your thoughts it would be great to get it on here in the daytime instead of midnight. I would be so grateful if you could do it.

      I am wondering if Altemeyer feels unappreciated here. There are quite a few people like you that are very aware of what he is doing and he needs to know that.

      It's just so great, isn't it?

      FUKUOKA: Part of my purpose is to create a society where no one has to do anything.PARACELSUS:So then, you wormy and lousy Sophist...

      by abbeysbooks on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 02:54:01 AM PDT

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      •  Working on it now, kiddo (3+ / 0-)

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        Will post around 6 a.m. or so -- that usually does the trick. If early risers read and recommend, it should get some looks.

        I'm honored you asked me.

        "There are four boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order." Ed Howdershelt

        by JuliaAnn on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 03:57:22 AM PDT

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        •  Thank you so much (1+ / 0-)

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          I am very grateful to you. Tell me what you or maybe a precious someone likes to read and I'll send you a book from my bookstore. I have so many thousands and they just trickle out of here like trickle down theory.

          FUKUOKA: Part of my purpose is to create a society where no one has to do anything.PARACELSUS:So then, you wormy and lousy Sophist...

          by abbeysbooks on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 04:04:08 AM PDT

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          •  Done; diary posted (1+ / 0-)

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            Looks like it might get overwhelmed this morning, though. DOn't know if I did a good enough job -- I'm sooooo tired. We'll keep at it. Let me know what else I can do to help.

            "There are four boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order." Ed Howdershelt

            by JuliaAnn on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 06:12:34 AM PDT

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            •  You are perfect. Me tired too (1+ / 0-)

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              and I have to drive dogs to St. Louis. 3 1/2 hours then stay at the adoptions to make sure my good little boy gets the home he deserves. I just kill the adoption if I don't like the people. He definitely needs a non-authoritarian home. He is so cute and playful and so very smart. I love him already. It is so hard to give them up.

              FUKUOKA: Part of my purpose is to create a society where no one has to do anything.PARACELSUS:So then, you wormy and lousy Sophist...

              by abbeysbooks on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 06:28:05 AM PDT

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      •  I appreciate Altemeyer's work (2+ / 0-)

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        I have read chapters 1-3 and also read JOhn dean's book recently.  This topic interests me greatly as I studied psychology and political science at one of those librul universities in teh early 1980's.  I remember being totally freaked out when I found out there was a club for "college republicans".  In my idealism I couldn't fathom ANY reason why a person of college age would or could support Republicans and their infernal Republican-American agenda

  •  Recommended (2+ / 0-)

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    May I humbly suggest adding a link to Dr. Bob's outstanding (and, amazingly, free) book, so readers can play along at home?

    The goal is not to bring your adversaries to their knees but to their senses. -- Mahatma Gandhi

    by kingubu on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 03:17:46 AM PDT

  •  And here's another link (1+ / 0-)

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    FUKUOKA: Part of my purpose is to create a society where no one has to do anything.PARACELSUS:So then, you wormy and lousy Sophist...

    by abbeysbooks on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 03:58:08 AM PDT

  •  Add tags: Psychology, GOP. Correction: Weimer n/t (0+ / 0-)

    Best Diary of the Year? http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/23/03912/3990

    by LNK on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 10:45:32 PM PDT

  •   Add tags: Psychology, GOP. Plus a WARNING! (2+ / 0-)

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    Liberals can be just as AUTHORITARIAN.

    We just don't see it as often nowadays.

    Back in the 1930s my mother was in college where she was put off by followers of the newfangled thing called Communism because they were so devoted to it they'd say things to her like, "I'd kill my own grandmother to bring on The Revolution."

    So can vegetarians and Nature lovers be authoritarian types. Somewhere there's an essay on the two types of "greens"--one wants to help people and the other wants a kind of ecological purity that damns people in favor of saving Nature.

    Another useful book is Robert Jay Lifton, "Destroying the World...." and his article about America as a Superpower.....and more:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/...

    Best Diary of the Year? http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/23/03912/3990

    by LNK on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 11:27:23 PM PDT

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