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I don't shop Amazon.com -- Not just about Coulter.

Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 06:41:09 PM PDT

I've made no bones here or anywhere about the fact that I'm an old fashioned trade union Democrat, and proud of it.  I've never crossed a picket line, and I fully intend to go to my grave saying that.  It's getting harder to buy Union.  The Republicans have successfully decimated organized labor in this country.  But I don't have to support notoriously anti-union Amazon.com with my hard earned dollars.

Amazon.com has earned its "red" rating on Labor and Human Rights from Buy Blue, awarded to companies:

if they exhibit mostly regressive practices. The labor & human rights rating covers a number of subjects including but not limited to: sweatshops, unions & union busting, NLRB complaints and actions, OSHA violations, fair trade, outsourcing, benefit packages, and living wages.

The company's aggressive union busting policies came to light in 2000, through a whistle-blower, and have been soft pedaled, but not remedied, since.  It's the usual management stranglehold arsenal of mandatory employee indoctrination sessions, union organizer and supporter firings on other pretexts, denial of organizer access, and blatant worker intimidation.  The approach was so agregious that they became a poster child of unfair labor practices not only by the unions, but gained them public ridicule from comedians like Mike Daisey, himself a former Amazon employee, and got them cited even by their fellow "bad guys" in the anti-union business world as an example Lessons to Avoid!

And it's not just keeping the unions out.  It's the horrendous working environment they maintain which is why the unions need to be there in the first place.  Former Amazon workers like Daisey relate experiences of "slavishly long hours" and unhealthy conditions.

Amazon.com doesn't have to resort to these practices to turn a dollar.  Powell's Books employs union labors, contributes to Democratic candidates, is involved in community affairs, and does a booming business online and in its brick and mortar stores.  It even treats its affiliates (websites earning commission on sales referrals) better than Amazon, paying them a higher commission, and not excluding some classes of products.

Most Democratic candidates are still scrupulous about purchasing campaign materials from union shops.  I think it's time we're just as scrupulous about where we buy our books, and whose links are on our websites.

Postscript: On this basis, and because of other issues including those relating to Amazon's financial support of Ann Coulter's website, I've e-mailed kos asking him to consider switching to another affiliate program, and suggested Powell's as an option.  If he ignores or rejects my recommendation, he won't lose one iota of my respect, and I will continue to participate here.

Update (Full Disclosure): It has become obvious from some of the comments that my reference to being a trade union Democratic and a "unionist" may have been misunderstood.  While I was a proud member at different times of what was then the Retail Clerks' Union and the Hotel and Restaurant Workers' Union, I have spent most of my adult life as an inner-city missionary priest.  Some of that time has been spent working with the United Farmworkers and other unions, but I am not now either a union member or official.  I am sorry if I left that impression, and will be careful to be more clear in future.

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  •  Here's a navy blue bookstore (8+ / 0-)

    "Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is." - George W Bush

    by jfern on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 06:42:42 PM PDT

  •  I Think It is a Great Suggestion (11+ / 0-)

    And Powell's is a much, much better choice. I've been a huge fan for years.

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    by webranding on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 06:43:03 PM PDT

  •  Cool. (6+ / 0-)

    Maybe on this thread people could suggest other sources for the stuff amazon provides (it's not just books).  I could use the info.

  •  So can I tell them why when I opt out? (5+ / 0-)

    I get their e-mails all the time after ordering, maybe, twice.

    I'd be pleased to support a true blue and more pro-union shop. I like putting my money into worthwhile reading anyway.

    Thanks for the option.

    "Don't have nobody to call my own; please, please bring me a dream."

    by MrSandman on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 06:52:04 PM PDT

  •  amazon = (5+ / 0-)

    Wal Mart for intellectuals.  

  •  Thank you for adding to my Amazon ammo... (4+ / 0-)

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    I can pile their crappy union record right on top of their ridiculously wasteful over-packaging of everything. I will buy something from them again the day after hell freezes.

  •  From a fomer Powell's employee (17+ / 0-)

    I'm a former Powell's employee and ILWU shop steward.

    If you buy books through the Powell's union website, part of your purchase goes directly to the local's strike fund.

    http://www.ilwulocal5.com/

    Solidarity forever!

  •  Amazon no more (11+ / 0-)

    Thank you, good unionist, for keeping focus on Amazon.

    After the rapid response here to Ann Coulter's antics, in the form of asking advertisers to drop her, I went back and calculated what I spend at Amazon each year. As I explained in a number of emails to various Amazon executives, I have bought well over a book a week for a number of years, most of them fairly expensive technical works in my field. I have appreciated the convenience and excellent customer service at Amazon, particularly because I have a neurological glitch that prevents me from driving and I don't live in a community with adequate public transportation, so it's a challenge to get to the few independent bookstores in my region.

    But as I finally told Amazon, I needed to close my account with them. Thank you for providing more good reasons to give my business to other booksellers, such as Powell's. I appreciate it.

  •  Great diary! (6+ / 0-)

    Thanks for the head's up! I won't give amazon another dime.  I've been union for 35 years so I'm very sympathetic.  It's getting harder and harder to find anything in the current republo/dlc anti-union environment, so it's good that we have choices! Powell's in my favorites now.

    A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams

    by dougymi on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 07:11:10 PM PDT

  •  I appreciate your comments (3+ / 0-)

    but it is my information from friends that work at Amazon here in Seattle - that they really love to work there - good benefits - good management - a take your dog to work environment.

    So in life few workplaces are perfect -

    just giving my two cents worth.

    "Proud to proclaim: I am a Bleeding Heart Liberal"

    by sara seattle on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 07:14:50 PM PDT

  •  Please remember that a large percentage (13+ / 0-)

    of books and other items listed on the Amazon venue are actually sold by small, home-based retailers like yours truly.  I'm paying a small percentage of my sales as commission to Amazon, it's true.  Without their branding, I would be unable to work at home finding homes for used books. If you want to make a statement against Amazon's labor practices, please don't penalize the independent small businesses that derive their customer base through the Amazon umbrella.  Just don't order the items that are sold directly by Amazon, and be sure to let them know what labor practices you want them to change.

    "War is the calculated and condoned slaughter of human beings". Harry Patch, age 109, WWI veteran.

    by skwimmer on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 07:16:43 PM PDT

  •  Thank You (2+ / 0-)

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    Thank you for this enlightening diary.  I just created an account at Powell's.

    Kossacks aren't progressive; they're a wanna-be politburo.

    by FDR Statue In Every County on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 07:27:19 PM PDT

  •  The last 22 books I bought this year were (3+ / 0-)

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    NOT from Amazon. And not paperbacks, either. I found a great local bookstore that I've purchased children's books for birthdays and Easter gifts.

    That's a little bit of money.

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    by The Gryffin on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 07:27:43 PM PDT

  •  Pretty damn cheeky for kos (4+ / 0-)

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    jimreyn, debedb, CSI Bentonville, poetas

    to call out Kucinich for legitimizing Fox News while he is in bed with Amazon. While you haven't lost respect for him I have. A hat tip to you for the diary from this proud union member.

  •  Independent bookstores (2+ / 0-)

    If you have one, or several (lucky you!), in your area, that's where you should spend your reading dollars. Independent bookstores can be a cultural and intellectual hub and are essential to a vital community. True, they won't have every title in stock, but they'll gladly order it for you and call you when it comes in.

    It's less convenient for the busy, and will often cost a couple bucks more. But the local value that independent bookstores create are well worth the effort and small additional cost.

    If you need it ASAP, don't have a local independent, can't get out, or are seriously budget-bound, then by all means buy from an outfit like Powell's.

    Full disclosure: I am in no way affilated with the book business.

  •  I buy Local from Friends (3+ / 0-)

    I can't afford to but I buy from local shops in my neighborhood and the smaller chain stores. I read lables and hold my nose when forced to buy something from PRC (Peoples Republic of China) (How sneaky to change Made in China to be less recognizable) simply because there is no alternative because everything is made in China. We all need to do our part to buy from our neighbors. It keeps ourselves in JOBS. And it is our National Security at risk here. If we don't manufacture anything how can we possibly respond to threats from the outside. Jefferson was right this country will be destroyed from the inside by Corporations and Bankers.

  •  Yikes, I just purchased a video game m. (1+ / 0-)

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    from Amazon, it was the only one who had it, for my 9 y/o.  It was an old game, not one you can just hop in the car and go to the local store to buy.

    It was a quality product and came w/in a week.

    If other companies screen, process and deliver quality products I would patronize their services but right now, Amazon, for better or worse, Coulter be dratted, delivers.

    Money is the magic wand that turns a prince into a frog.

    by sylvien on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 07:56:00 PM PDT

  •  Thank you for posting this (3+ / 0-)

    I was a HUGE Amazon customer, but since the Coulter comments and their refusal to remove their ads, I have quit them.

    I was feeling like I would miss them, but since reading this diary I know I made the right decision.  I will now happily never make another purchase from them again.

  •  This is going to hurt (2+ / 0-)

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    but you've convinced me. I'll try Powell's and Barnes & Noble (unless someone has something bad on B&N). I do tend to order a lot of books no longer in print so I'll still order those through Amazon's associate sellers. That's about $2,500 to $3,000 worth of business anually Amazon just lost.  

  •  I sell CDs on the amazon.com marketplace.... (1+ / 0-)

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    And, I don't intend to stop.

    We can't go around demonizing EVERYTHING. Folks will notice.

  •  Thanks for this, (1+ / 0-)

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    CSI Bentonville

    I had already stopped buying from Amazon because of their support of coulter, and now find that I had a reason to not buy from them all along. I am a long time member of the Millwrights Union, and always try to find the union label, although its getting really hard to on most things anymore.

    Damn I miss John Edwards!

    by ichibon on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 09:55:23 PM PDT

  •  I buy a lot of books (0+ / 0-)

    as a high school librarian and I am familiar with business practices of alot of bookstores and book jobbers.  What I like about Amazon is the deep discount that they offer on their hardback books.  I usually can't find them for less anywhere...and I know how to search for the deals.  

    Many places that I shop offer me an educator's discount, if I am purchasing for school, which usually isn't quite what Amazon offers to everyone.  When I was visiting in Portland, Oregon last week I went to Powell's Books and bought over $200 dollars in books and asked if I could have an educator's discount. (I was prepared to fill out the paperowrk required) I was told that they do not offer their discount to out-of-state teachers.  

    I tell this story because 1. Amazon is doing a better job supporting schools than Powells here by offering fantastic discounts which allows librarians like myself to purchase more books for less money with the tax dollars we use. 2. Librarians are against book banning.  Amazon sells Coulter's books but they also sell Gore's books, and Wes Clark's books, and Hillary Clinton's books.  So Coulter is a jerk.  Don't buy her book or click the link to Amazon from her blog...but don't be surprised if you see the same type of link on a lot of progressive's blogs...even kos!

    I, for one, will not be boycotting Amazon.

    Hope is nature's veil for hiding truth's nakedness. -Alfred Nobel

    by AnneofGreatHope on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 10:53:25 PM PDT

    •  Like I said, this Diary is not about Coulter... (3+ / 0-)

      it's about union solidarity.  I hate to see educators pitted against workers, and as a Powell's customer, am happy to lobby them to match or better Amazon's teacher and librarian discount policy.  In fact, I promise I'll write a letter to them immediately upon posting this message.

      Consumer actions against anti-labor employers (and remember, we're talking about a company with a long track record of intimidation and firing of workers suspected of advocating for union representation) are purely voluntary.  Like I said, I won't fault kos, or you, for deciding not to support workers' rights to organize in this matter.

      If the teacher's unions take the same stance, however, I hope they don't expect support from the ILWU next time the roles are reversed.  There's no such thing as unilateral solidarity.

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      by jgilhousen on Sat Mar 17, 2007 at 11:20:33 PM PDT

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    •  Boycott, but not book banning (1+ / 0-)

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      Anne, it must have been disappointing not to receive an educator's/librarian's discount at Powell's. I want to be sure that you know, though, that Powell's makes MAJOR contributions to school libraries and literacy programs in Oregon.

      Amazon does offer large discounts on many of their books. (Unfortunately, usually not on the technical books that I read and need!) But part of the reason that Amazon can do that is by not paying fair wages to their employees. I have a hard time supporting that.

      Those of us who have chosen to participate in the Amazon boycott are not advocating book banning. Calls and emails to Amazon did not ask Amazon not to sell Coulter's books. The request was to disassociate themselves with her web site and her hate speech. Her hate speech, I bet you agree, is not acceptable.

      Thank you for your obviously caring work as a librarian. You are obviously dedicated to your job. Thank you for your opposition to censorship. That's important to us all. Librarians are some of the coolest people in the world. As someone who does research for a living, I benefit so much from helpful librarians.

      I wonder if you contacted Powell's and explained your situation to them, if they might reconsider the out-of-state educators/librarins situation?    

      •  Copy of my letter to Powell's (1+ / 0-)

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        Dear Madam or Sir,

        I am a longtime customer of your company, and try to stop into your downtown store on each visit to Portland.  As a freelance web designer and developer, I have been recommending your partner program to my clients, in favor of Amazon's, in light of their longstanding abysmal record as a rabidly anti-union company.

        Recently, as you may be aware, supporting Amazon has become a matter of discussion amongst progressives with regard to the company's support of Ann Coulter.  In that context, I posted an article on the Daily Kos, which, as you may be aware, is a high-traffic Democratic Party-oriented blog site, explaining why I recommend Powell's over Amazon.  The article is online at http://www.dailykos.com/...

        In the discussion which followed, I was informed by a school librarian that Amazon provides her a "deep discount" on book purchases, but that she was refused the same arrangement for purchases she made at the Powell's downtown store because she was from out of state.  I found myself in the midst of an argument which pitted supporting a company with favorable labor policies over one with favorable school support policies.

        If her experience was a misapplication of Powell's policy by a single employee, I would appreciate your clarifying the policy for me, so that I may pass the information along.  Otherwise, I would urge you to consider instituting a policy of generous discounts for teachers and school librarians, regardless of their location in or outside of Oregon.  In addition to being the "right thing to do," I am quite sure that the cost of such discounts to Powell's will be more than offset by the goodwill and customer loyalty which would result.

        Thank you for your consideration in this matter.

        Regards,

        John-Mark

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        by jgilhousen on Sun Mar 18, 2007 at 12:05:58 AM PDT

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        •  Let me know if you get a reply (0+ / 0-)

          This is a fantastic letter.  Thanks for writing it.  I did "go to the top floor" on their out-of-state policy and was continually told no by more than one person.  But I guess they have the right to change their mind if they decide that Washington librarians deserve a break, too!

          Hope is nature's veil for hiding truth's nakedness. -Alfred Nobel

          by AnneofGreatHope on Sun Mar 18, 2007 at 09:54:12 PM PDT

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      •  The Employee Union Also Works with Libraries (1+ / 0-)

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        http://www.ilwulocal5.com/...

        I will also point out that Michael Powell Jr., despite his many faults, was a leading opponent of Oregon Measure 9, which would have discriminated against gays and lesbians in Oregon. He donated money, time, and also plastered Powell's with posters and signs encouraging people to vote it down. And it lost.

  •  I wouldn't call this a boycott. (1+ / 0-)

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    There are many levels of actions.  For a brick and mortar store or a production plant, as negotiations with management proceed, workers and their supporters may start by a simple public education campaign through the press, mailings, etc.  The next step is an informational picket line.  Only as a last resort is a strike called, and a formal picket line which, it is to be hoped, no faithful union member or labor supporter would cross.

    In this case, there is no place to picket, but the process is similar.  Inform the public, encourage individuals to consider more labor-friendly alternatives, and finally call a formal boycott and ask for all unions and their allies to join it.

    I feel like we are just starting to cross the line between the first and second step.  Believe me, when I decided to call a boycott, you'll know it.  It's not in my nature to be quiet or casual about it.

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    by jgilhousen on Sun Mar 18, 2007 at 12:14:08 AM PDT

  •  May I plug my publisher? (1+ / 0-)

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    Black Coat Press.

    They publish a nice range of English-language translations of French mysteries, gothic, fantasy and science fiction classics.

    If you buy directly from them (via PayPal) they get the whole price instead of 50% from amazon, etc.

    OVER HERE: AN AMERICAN EXPAT IN THE SOUTH OF FRANCE, is now available on Amazon US

    by Lupin on Sun Mar 18, 2007 at 02:10:49 AM PDT

  •  Boycotts and NLRB Governance and things. (Oh my!) (0+ / 0-)

    Ya know, for as long as I remember anything about unions, I can think of things we're not supposed to buy, because once, somewhere, the company's management hired union-busting law firms that guided them through all the dirty tricks they could use to isolate and destroy union organizing drives. Our list grows, as does the total percent of the AMerican work environment that is what the euphemistically call "union-free."

    The union-busters keep winning, and as several commenters have noted, union-label shopping is getting harder and harder. Though, ironically, one can enjoy a unionized retail shopping experience at Wal-Mart-- in China! (We will not digress into whether that has anything to do with who runs the government there, deal?)

    Rather... My point is this. Our problem is not solvable on the consumer side of the equation. The problem is the corruption of the National Labor Ralations Act by the Taft-Hartley Amendment. As long as T-H stands, we will be where we are. And as long as the unions that pour so much into the Dems don't demand that Dems actually repeal the Taft-Hartley Amendment to the NLRA, well, why should they bother to do so?

    The rest of the problem, along those lines, is enforcement. By the time you get your ULP's heard, (Unfair Labor Practice complaints, over which the NLRB holds jurisdiction), your organizers are shit-canned and your drive is dead. Presuming the executive-appointees running the NLRB are bothering to enforce labor law at all. (For example: Eight hour day? Anyone?)

    What if, our unions demanded a Taft-Hartley Repeal pledge before we gave one dime of member's money, made one union-phone-bank call, knocked on one precinct door, on behalf of any candidate seeking our support?

    Well then, we would be told that we were being unreasonable, and anti-Democratic Party, and to go back to boycotting. Because that works much better for corporate interests, and frankly, corporations rule.

    That, almost hate to say it, is the real problem.

    Just my two cents, and offered with nothing but respect for your righteous beef.

    "the people have the power to redeem the work of fools" --Patti Smith

    by Immigrant Punk on Sun Mar 18, 2007 at 03:52:27 AM PDT

    •  I don't think we can pin it all on one factor. (1+ / 0-)

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      The playing field, which never really reached equality between worker and management, has continued to tip continuously further in the wrong direction for decades.

      The notion that it can only be pushed back by radical action from the top strikes me as the labor-relations equivalent of trickle down economics.  Of course we need to pass more equitable labor laws in this country.  But I'm certainly not ready to put all my eggs in that basket.  And it's a restriction we don't place on any other form of activism.  The war, for example, cannot be stopped until our elected officials make it stop.  I doubt if many here would suggest that we stop marching in the streets, or quit speaking out against companies (e.g. Haliburton), media outlets (e.g. Fox), etc.

      Whether we like it or not, as activists, we will always be forced to fight on divided fronts, with grass roots action from the bottom, and pressuring the people with power to act "from above."

      I can't believe that very little, if any, of the decline of organized labor in this country can be pinned on "too many" boycotts, any more than years of Republican occupancy of the White House and holding a majority of both houses of Congress could be attributed to too many dissenting voices in the press.

      Furthermore, I developed close relationships with many individuals and families who would not have been freed from virtual enslavement had lettuce and grapes not become a rarity on the tables of concerned Americans.

      It will take a lot to shake me out of my firmly held belief that we need more citizen and consumer activism, not less, including regularly kicking corporate America in the shins.

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      by jgilhousen on Sun Mar 18, 2007 at 12:10:49 PM PDT

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