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Marx and the Present: An Introduction

Sun Mar 18, 2007 at 05:27:58 PM PDT

(crossposted to Progressive Historians)

Plenty of discursive forces have arisen in the present, leading to a diary on Marx.  I’ve had discussions with people on DKos who wish to contest what they see as my "marxism."  Actually, I suppose it all boils down to the student who asked me in my instructional communication class last fall, "are you a socialist."  So what is my relationship to the O. G. of socialism?  I'm sure this topic comes up whenever I've disputed the ability of the capitalist system to come up with a solution to any significant ecological problem.

My reliance on terms such as "class struggle" and "political economy" is motivated by my interest in Kees van der Pijl, who works from a Marxist framework typically given the name of "neo-Gramscian international political economy."  Now, "neo-Gramscian" refers to Antonio Gramsci, about whom I’ve written a diary previously.  But I haven’t really said much about Karl Marx (1818-1883), about whom much has been said and little actually known.  Marx is a symbol of "communism," but his main contribution to intellectual thinking has been his critique of capitalism.  "Marxism" has been called "obsolete," especially after the (1991) fall of the Soviet Union, yet its theorists produce works that meaningfully describe the political and economic realities of this era.

Marxism is, of course, a political football.  So-called "conservatives" never tire of describing the Soviet Union, the world’s first ostensibly Marxist regime, as a "failure," ignoring its unparalleled success in transforming Russia into a superpower.  Few interested commentators on Marxism can distinguish the advocacy of a communist utopia from the critique of capitalism.  At any rate, here I shall attempt to say something brief about Marx, about 1) who he was and 2) what he said and 3) what it means for us today.

Who was Marx?

Anyone who wants the full scope on this can read the biographies, especially: Marx: A Life by Francis Wheen, Marx: A Biography by Robert Payne, or Karl Marx: His Life and Thought by David McLellan.  

At any rate, Marx grew up in Trier, a Catholic city in a Protestant kingdom, Prussia.  He was the son of a Jewish businessman who converted to Lutheranism to avoid losing his profession.  Marx’s daddy wanted him to be a lawyer; he decided to be a philosopher instead.

At first Marx hung out with a school of philosophers which history calls the "Young Hegelians" – these were young men who had decided to criticize the structure of society using the philosophical framework of "dialectics" of the philosopher Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel.  Marx soon thereafter abandoned said school, and developed a communist philosophy which history calls "historical materialism."  The first inkling of this philosophy was in a series of notebooks, published only long after Marx’s death, called the "1844 manuscripts."  The 1844 manuscripts are about the meaning of "alienation," by which Marx meant the loss of ownership the worker feels after selling his/ her labor to an employer.  But, within them, Marx has this stunning thought about the power of money:

That which is for me through the medium of money — that for which I can pay (i.e., which money can buy) — that am I myself, the possessor of the money. The extent of the power of money is the extent of my power. Money’s properties are my — the possessor’s — properties and essential powers. Thus, what I am and am capable of is by no means determined by my individuality. I am ugly, but I can buy for myself the most beautiful of women. Therefore I am not ugly, for the effect of ugliness — its deterrent power — is nullified by money. I, according to my individual characteristics, am lame, but money furnishes me with twenty-four feet. Therefore I am not lame. I am bad, dishonest, unscrupulous, stupid; but money is honoured, and hence its possessor. Money is the supreme good, therefore its possessor is good. Money, besides, saves me the trouble of being dishonest: I am therefore presumed honest. I am brainless, but money is the real brain of all things and how then should its possessor be brainless? Besides, he can buy clever people for himself, and is he who has a power over the clever not more clever than the clever? Do not I, who thanks to money am capable of all that the human heart longs for, possess all human capacities? Does not my money, therefore, transform all my incapacities into their contrary?
If money is the bond binding me to human life, binding society to me, connecting me with nature and man, is not money the bond of all bonds? Can it not dissolve and bind all ties? Is it not, therefore, also the universal agent of separation? It is the coin that really separates as well as the real binding agent — the [. . .] chemical power of society.
Shakespeare stresses especially two properties of money:

  1. It is the visible divinity — the transformation of all human and natural properties into their contraries, the universal confounding and distorting of things: impossibilities are soldered together by it.
  1. It is the common whore, the common procurer of people and nations.

The distorting and confounding of all human and natural qualities, the fraternisation of impossibilities — the divine power of money — lies in its character as men’s estranged, alienating and self-disposing species-nature. Money is the alienated ability of mankind. (167-168)

The power of this passage to evoke the cynicism of a society based on money is dramatic.

Anyway, Marx went on to join various communist movements, getting kicked out of country after country until finally settling in London.  Marx’s early revolutionary participation was pretty much over by 1852, though.  In the meantime, however, he wrote a piece of propaganda, the Communist Manifesto, which egged on the international rebellions which history would call the uprisings of 1848.  It contains a famous phrase which all anti-Marxists like to cite in denouncing Marx:

The advance of industry, whose involuntary promoter is the bourgeoisie, replaces the isolation of the labourers, due to competition, by the revolutionary combination, due to association. The development of Modern Industry, therefore, cuts from under its feet the very foundation on which the bourgeoisie produces and appropriates products. What the bourgeoisie therefore produces, above all, are its own grave-diggers. Its fall and the victory of the proletariat are equally inevitable.

Of course, nothing of the sort happened.  The creation of factory life did not bring the workers together, and the victory of the proletariat is by no means inevitable.  In that quote, Marx was displaying a Victorian sense of hubris, a hubris which doubtless left him by the time 1872 rolled around (see below).

Later in his life, Marx participated in the "International Working Men’s Association," the First International, founded in 1864.  

The various Internationals were organizations dedicated to uniting the working class for the sake of global revolution.  They all failed to achieve this goal, for various reasons: the First International had serious ideological and national problems, the Second International did not survive the hostilities of the First World War, and the Third International was Lenin's attempt to institute ideological conformity among the various Communist Parties, which (according to Julius Braunthal in the 2nd volume of his 3-vol. History of the International) led to a 75% desertion from said Parties in western Europe.  Communist movements on planet Earth all appear to have been premature.

But that's just a side-note.  By 1872, Marx effectively controlled the First International, though, and claiming division between the various nations, Marx proposed that the headquarters of the International be moved to New York City, thus killing it off.  Why did Marx do away with the International as such?  Francis Wheen’s biography put it as follows:

By exiling the International to America, Marx had deliberately condemned it to death... So why did he do it?  Marxian scholars have treated the question as an insoluble riddle, but there is no great mystery: he was simply exhausted by the effort of holding the warring tribes together... Marx knew that without his commanding presence the General Council would disintegrate anyway and might do serious damage to communism before expiring.  Far better to put the wounded beast out of its misery. (Wheen 344-345)

It’s easy to see, too, why "Marxian scholars" would want to gloss this over: it’s a clear sign of the pessimism of the Marx of 1872.  Marx himself had grown to doubt the immediate possibility of revolution.

Marx married Jenny von Westphalen, a member of the petty German nobility, and lived in London as a bourgeois, draining his and his wife’s inheritances and sponging off of his friend and collaborator Friedrich Engels, whose daddy owned a factory.  He earned money now and then by publishing his writings, although this was work he disliked.  In this vein, he published some stuff for the New York newspapers during the (American) Civil War.

Although Marx was very cutting in dealing with those who in the least disagreed with his approach, he was exceedingly mellow in dealing with allies and with children, was known as "Moor" to his immediate friends and family (for his swarthy complexion) and grew a very shaggy beard.  He was survived by his wife and by five daughters.
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What did Marx say?

Marx’s theories can be grouped fourfold:

  1. Theories of revolution and utopia
  1. Theories of political-economic life
  1. Theories of history, and then (of course) there are
  1. Overall statements of philosophy

When we talk of "Marxism," then, we should be specific about what we mean.  Marx's critique of political-economic life is a far different vegetable than his theory of revolution and utopia, for instance.  I see these theories as follows:  
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  1. Theories of the revolution are probably the most problematic of Marx’s theories.  The Manifesto is problematic, for reasons stated above, and also for the ten-point program given in Chapter 2:
  1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
  1. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
  1. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
  1. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
  1. Centralisation of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
  1. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
  1. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
  1. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
  1. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
  1. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c, &c.

This sometimes comes in for criticism as a sort of state authoritarianism, a sort of Marx endorsement of the proto-Soviet Union.  One must remember, however, that the "state" Marx had in mind was a preliminary, ad hoc conspiracy of the working class to keep from being crushed by the owning class and its armies, and that said "state" was to abolish itself as soon as its program, communism, was adopted.

Marx eventually decided that the Paris Commune, an uprising of democrats in France over two months of 1871, would be his ideal of communism.  The Paris Commune, which risked all for the sake of democratic elections when its very existence was at stake, was hardly the sort of dictatorship Stalin would institute in Russia.  (Unfortunately, Marx did not endorse the Paris Commune until it had been brutally suppressed by the mass murder of its participants; during the Commune’s two months, says Wheen, Marx was sick with bronchitis.)

Now and then, Marx’s statements of "communism" specify increases in the rate of production.  The assumption Marx was under, then in the 19th century, was that capitalism hindered overall production, and that when people were free of capitalism they would be free to produce more.  Today, however, capitalism is plagued by overproduction.  Any socialism that arises tomorrow will have to offer global society the right to produce less, not more.

Occasionally Marx’s notion of utopia comes under fire for not offering "incentive."  Only capitalism, the Right likes to babble, will offer everyone incentive to work.  Never mind that the Soviet Union used the ideal of communism to turn a peasant nation, ruined by war, plague, and famine, into the world’s first spacefaring superpower in the space of four decades.  And, of course, said babblers never look at the following passage from the Critique of the Gotha Program:

What we have to deal with here is a communist society, not as it has developed on its own foundations, but, on the contrary, just as it emerges from capitalist society; which is thus in every respect, economically, morally, and intellectually, still stamped with the birthmarks of the old society from whose womb it emerges. Accordingly, the individual producer receives back from society -- after the deductions have been made -- exactly what he gives to it. What he has given to it is his individual quantum of labor. For example, the social working day consists of the sum of the individual hours of work; the individual labor time of the individual producer is the part of the social working day contributed by him, his share in it. He receives a certificate from society that he has furnished such-and-such an amount of labor (after deducting his labor for the common funds); and with this certificate, he draws from the social stock of means of consumption as much as the same amount of labor cost. The same amount of labor which he has given to society in one form, he receives back in another.

Try again, right-wingers.  Socialism and communism are fully workable social systems; the main question, as Marx well knew, is one of whether or not they have a chance to develop out of capitalism.

Another primary fallacy of the Right with respect to Marx is that they imagine that under socialism everyone would be "equal."  The Critique of the Gotha Program ends that speculation, too.  Marx didn't give two hoots about equality -- he knew that people weren't equal.  His goal was the abolition of social classes, and thus of all political systems aimed at the domination of men.  Equality had nothing to do with that.  From the domination of men to the administration of things, an old slogan once went.
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  1. Marx’s theories of political-economic life are really the main contribution of Marxism to the future.  The main document to read, of course, is Capital – biographer Francis Wheen quotes Marx’s letters to suggest that Capital was intended as a "work of art," a basically literary attempt to uncover capitalism’s claims to rationality and morality.  In Capital, Marx argues, wage labor is a form of exploitation, for those who hire wage laborers profit off of them by taking the "surplus," that portion of the worker’s daily labor not necessary for the working class’s survival.  Thus, suggests Marx, the working class creates the capitalist world, but does not participate in its benefits.  

Marx’s world is that of a class system, composed not of many classes but of two (essential) classes:

  1. the owning class, which lives off of its investments, and
  1. the working class, which really has nothing to sell but its labor.

We can see from the literature on neo-Marxism that other classes than these two may be important within the same framework.  This is true most especially the contingent working class (discussed in great detail in Vijay Prashad’s Keeping Up with the Dow Joneses), the class of workers who don't work all the time and thus suffer from exemplary poverty.  Also, the idea that professionals constitute a separate class is endorsed by Donald C. Hodges’ Class Politics in the Information Age.  At any rate, later writers have sought to amend Marx’s notions of class by looking carefully at other relationships to the means of productions than just "owners" and "workers."  Marxist ideas of class, however, share a common orientation: class is defined by one’s relation to production.

One element of capitalist propaganda is that the owning class is in its privileged position because it is "better" than the working class.  Marx debunks this by showing how the class society of his 19th century Europe was created through an ongoing theft by those who now call themselves owners, in what he calls "primitive accumulation":

This primitive accumulation plays in Political Economy about the same part as original sin in theology. Adam bit the apple, and thereupon sin fell on the human race. Its origin is supposed to be explained when it is told as an anecdote of the past. In times long gone-by there were two sorts of people; one, the diligent, intelligent, and, above all, frugal elite; the other, lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living. The legend of theological original sin tells us certainly how man came to be condemned to eat his bread in the sweat of his brow; but the history of economic original sin reveals to us that there are people to whom this is by no means essential. Never mind! Thus it came to pass that the former sort accumulated wealth, and the latter sort had at last nothing to sell except their own skins. And from this original sin dates the poverty of the great majority that, despite all its labour, has up to now nothing to sell but itself, and the wealth of the few that increases constantly although they have long ceased to work. Such insipid childishness is every day preached to us in the defence of property. M. Thiers, e.g., had the assurance to repeat it with all the solemnity of a statesman to the French people, once so spirituel. But as soon as the question of property crops up, it becomes a sacred duty to proclaim the intellectual food of the infant as the one thing fit for all ages and for all stages of development. In actual history it is notorious that conquest, enslavement, robbery, murder, briefly force, play the great part. In the tender annals of Political Economy, the idyllic reigns from time immemorial. Right and "labour" were from all time the sole means of enrichment, the present year of course always excepted. As a matter of fact, the methods of primitive accumulation are anything but idyllic.

We might, in fact, see this "conquest, enslavement, robbery, murder, briefly force" playing a part in modern economy, e.g. Bush Junior’s conquest and occupation of Iraq.  When they can’t exploit the people’s labor, the dirtiest of elites just steal.

Now, it needs to be mentioned at this point that the conditions of a portion of the working class (especially in the most industrialized nations) are much better than they were when Marx was alive.  This is, for the main part, true because of the 20th century invention of Keynesian economics, wherein the prosperity of a portion of the working class is seen as necessary toward overall prosperity.  This was determined through a Keynesian mechanism called the "multiplier effect."  The multiplier effect is said to work as follows: the state runs a deficit, for the sake of increasing the circulation of goods and services.  As an increased supply of money circulates from person to person within society, more people are supposedly put to work producing, thus increasing society’s stock of goods and services.  Thus with Keynesian economics the capitalist world saw the advent of a semi-planned capitalist society.  With Keynesianism one also sees a "middle class," characterized by home ownership.  

Keynesianism has proved invaluable, moreover, in advertising capitalism to the world.  Under Keynesianism, ostensibly, anyone can join the middle classes.  The cornucopia of consumer life awaits all who can pay.  The problem is, however, that Keynesian economics does not change the essentially exploitative reality of capitalist economics as a whole, and that the operation of a Keynesian economy requires the satisfaction of at least two basic material conditions.

Two prerequisites for a Keynesian economy, it must be said, are 1) an autonomous national currency, and 2) a national economy capable of significant growth.  Both of these prerequisites are endangered today, the first by dollar hegemony, which makes the dollar everyone's currency, the second by ecological limits to capitalist growth.  Keynesian economics became possible because, in a period of great struggle (the 1930s), it was seen as necessary to create a consumer class so that capitalist society’s ability to produce would be absorbed by someone.  Whether capitalist society can continue to produce enough consumers in the 21st century future is in my opinion an open question.  My guess is that, in its heedless production of consumers in this era, the capitalist system will soon exhaust some of Planet Earth’s important resource bases.<hr>

  1. Marx’s theory of history is a theory of the development of productive forces, from those of hunter-gatherer societies to those of settled agricultural societies, and from there to the empires of Antiquity to the feudal societies of the Middle Ages to the capitalism of the present day.  This theory is given in general in Marx and Engels’ The German Ideology, and (in my opinion) has been superseded by the theory of history given by Kees van der Pijl.

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  1. Marx’s philosophy, as displayed above, is about the overall primacy of economic life in society.  The central statement of historical materialism is given in the preface to A Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy:

In the social production of their existence, men inevitably enter into definite relations, which are independent of their will, namely relations of production appropriate for a given stage in the development of their material forces of production.  The totality of these relations of production constitutes the economic structure of society, the real foundation, on which arises a legal and political superstructure and to which correspond definite forms of social consciousness.  The mode of production of material life conditions the general process of social, political, and intellectual life.  (20-21)

Sometimes this theory of historical materialism is presented as a "determinism," wherein the events of history are seen as inevitable consequences of the development of productive forces in world society.  However, historical materialism need not be that way.  All Marx is describing, in the paragraph cited above, is the notion that law, politics, and the other various and sundry social dramas of culture take place on a foundation composed of economic facts, and that the most important of economic facts concerns the relations of production.  Marx says nothing about economics determining culture.

In fact, Marx had no idea what would happen in the future.  This is revealed most distinctly in Volume 3 of Capital, where Marx, after discussing the disintegrative tendencies of capitalism, suggests that he has no clue as to where it is all headed.<hr>

What does Marx mean for us today?

In developing historical materialism, Marx laid the theoretical basis for modern neo-Marxism, which offers contributions to the social sciences which are at least as meaningful as those of the other schools.  The neo-Marxists continue in meaningful vein the theories of political economy displayed with literary verve in Capital.  Robert Brenner, for instance, deserves at least a diary...

Marx’s utopia, communism, will have to look a lot different in its vision than it did in the 19th century if it is to remain viable today, mostly in the realm of the global society’s relationship to global ecosystems.  More likely than not, participants in the post-capitalist future will be cleaning up the enormous mess left behind by the dead carcass of capitalist society.  It will not, in short, be half as fun as Marx proclaimed it would be in the Critique of the Gotha Program when he said:

In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly -- only then then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!

Sorry, I'm disappointed too, but it ain't gonna happen.

That's all I'm going to say for now: this diary is way too long, and so more discussions of Marx will probably be needed later to cover the subject with anything close to adequacy.  Really all I'm trying to do is incite some conversation about a much-misunderstood topic.

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  •  Tip jar: corrections (17+ / 0-)

    If you see errors in the text, please suggest where they might be...

    "Imagine all the people/ Sharing all the world" -- John Lennon

    by Cassiodorus on Sun Mar 18, 2007 at 05:29:28 PM PDT

    •  Excellent diary. (3+ / 0-)

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      I was so impressed that I took the liberty of reading your previous work on "capitalist discipline" and Gramsci. I was not disappointed. =)

      Though I myself come from a more anarchist intellectual tradition, I have found the descriptive aspects of Marx's critique of capitalism to be incredibly lucid -- particularly his theories of alienation, commodity fetishism, and surplus value. I am very sympathetic to the type of discourse and analysis that you are trying to promote here, and from the look of it, so are many others. Perhaps we should make a more systematic effort to bring it to the fore as an antidote to the resignation and powerlessness many are feeling in the face of this impotent congressional majority.

      "The opposite of a triviality is plainly false; the opposite of a great truth is another great truth." - Niels Bohr

      by Autarkh on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 02:22:20 AM PDT

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      •  thanks Autarkh (1+ / 0-)

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        Interesting linked thread, too!

        Perhaps we should make a more systematic effort to bring it to the fore as an antidote to the resignation and powerlessness many are feeling in the face of this impotent congressional majority.

        Indeed!

        "Imagine all the people/ Sharing all the world" -- John Lennon

        by Cassiodorus on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 05:00:45 AM PDT

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        •  How do we do this? n/t (1+ / 0-)

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          "The opposite of a triviality is plainly false; the opposite of a great truth is another great truth." - Niels Bohr

          by Autarkh on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 12:51:58 PM PDT

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          •  by getting published! n/t (1+ / 0-)

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            "Imagine all the people/ Sharing all the world" -- John Lennon

            by Cassiodorus on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 01:04:26 PM PDT

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            •  That's one way. (1+ / 0-)

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              But I am talking about organizing, and in your words "[kicking] the analysis offered on this board up a notch".

              It seems to me that too many people become bogged down in their (justified) hatred of Bush, and turn a blind eye to the systemic problems.

              "The opposite of a triviality is plainly false; the opposite of a great truth is another great truth." - Niels Bohr

              by Autarkh on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 01:30:51 PM PDT

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              •  the mainstream alternative to Bush (1+ / 0-)

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                is too much like Bush, and people have been coerced into supporting that alternative out of fear of Bush.  The 2004 election, primarily, offered us John Kerry as an alternative, and the result was that nobody wanted to believe that what Alexander Cockburn said about Kerry was true, but it was.  All of which was of no consequence, since Bush stole the election without Kerry lifting a finger, and the public blamed the Green Party which (while running a candidate who got no votes out of deference to Kerry) blew the whistle on Bush's buddy Blackwell for rigging the Ohio vote.

                Eventually, I suppose, most everyone in the US will just lose any semblance of a credit rating, since bankruptcy has become too expensive and is no longer worth it anyway.  And then they will all see that the US has sold its stake in capitalism to a few super-rich people and their corporations, and that the only "business" in town is the police state which has sprung up throughout America, largely with their help.  Those in the know will be able to join the local equivalent of the Common Ground Collective or Food Not Bombs.  In the medium term, many of them, meaning many of all of us, will be wiped out by the vagaries of abrupt climate change.  

                The reason I suggest we get published, then, is that  there is a communication problem here.  The truth has become too scary; America lives in denial, stoppering its ears and keeping its eyes glued to FOX and CNN.

                "Imagine all the people/ Sharing all the world" -- John Lennon

                by Cassiodorus on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 04:19:54 PM PDT

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  •  Marx was right and wrong about many things. (3+ / 0-)

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    I don't think we need Marx today. For my money, the Inclusive Democracy Movement carries much more significance.

    •  Marx laid the ground for neo-Marxism (2+ / 0-)

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      which is still useful.

      "Imagine all the people/ Sharing all the world" -- John Lennon

      by Cassiodorus on Sun Mar 18, 2007 at 05:58:29 PM PDT

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      •  Yep. (2+ / 0-)

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        Marxian critical theory is a powerful tool for analysis.  As much as Marx's normative politics are on crack (IMHO, of course) owing to the whole homo economicus stuff ("man's essence is to labor and create shit and then own it"), the critical stuff that stems from him and his students is fabulous.

        I'd suggest that proof of the power of the tool is its reproduction all over the political map (notably the righty Christian critical method of the "worldview," which is just dumbed down althusserian critique of ideology)

        "[G]lobalization is...increasing the efficiency of resource allocation through stronger capital markets" - Barack Obama

        by burrow owl on Sun Mar 18, 2007 at 06:25:15 PM PDT

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  •  my main problem with marx, (4+ / 0-)

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    as with smith, is that i reject materialist philosophies. i think they ignore a lot of human, emotional, psychological, spiritual, and even scientific (quantum/relativity) realities. even so, his analysis of industrial capitalism was brilliant. i'm glad you posted this. whether or not people agree, more people need to understand.

  •  Whatever we think of Marx's political goals (9+ / 0-)

    His analysis of capitalism remains first-rate and an indispensable guide to how it works. The theory of primitive accumulation may not be named well but it makes a lot of sense.

    What I believe has been the key in delaying a Marxist-predicted revolution is colonialism. The world never was integrated into a single labor market. However, we're well on the way to that, and if one is ever truly achieved, then and only then will we really see a real global movement for socialism.

    I'd be curious to see your work on Gramsci; I think he is woefully understudied in the US. Kossacks would find him a very interesting figure.

    I should write a diary like this, except focusing on Mike Davis.

    I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day
    Neither is California High Speed Rail

    by eugene on Sun Mar 18, 2007 at 06:00:35 PM PDT

  •  Recommended - Thank you for writing the diary (5+ / 0-)

    I've wanted to post here for about a year.

    Unfortunately, I have to go out and can't read the whole thing and engage in the discussion, but I'll be back here later tonight.

    •  Hmm. (1+ / 0-)

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      We waited a year for that?

      I kid, I kid.

      "[G]lobalization is...increasing the efficiency of resource allocation through stronger capital markets" - Barack Obama

      by burrow owl on Sun Mar 18, 2007 at 06:27:06 PM PDT

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    •  This diary is a good overview of Marx' thought (3+ / 0-)

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      and touches on the main themes.

      By way of a critique:

      The division of Marxism into four pieces is very social scienc-ey and illustrates, I think, the failure of modern social science to grasp the significance of Marx' method in addition to his ideas.

      The profound change in Western thought, which began in the previous century and culminated with Marx and his contemporary Darwin, is that what was previously fixed could now be understood as mutable. The ancient method of assigning identities and categories and determining logical relationships among them had proved inadequate. A new method--a method by which one could analyze and understand process and change, rather than identities and categories, was required.

      Marx developed such a method by adapting Hegelian notions of intellectual history to the study of changing relations of social production on an epochal scale. This took place in the context of rising class conflict which culminated in the failed 1848 uprisings throughout Europe--which, in turn, gave rise to a crying need for a better analysis of what capitalism was and where it was headed.

      Marx' materialism, his dialectical method, his theory of history, his revolutionary advocacy on behalf of working people, and his contributions to political economy are really all of a piece, and not so easily separable -- and it is contrary to Marx' method to do so.

      The academic tendency to analyze ideas by categories, and out of context of their time and place, is suitable to the social purposes of academia. However, the significance of Marx to those working on bringing a new world into being--that can only be grasped by applying Marx' methods to present-day problems.

  •  Soon robots will be obseleting human labor (3+ / 0-)

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    then the masters will have little use for human slaves. Either we institute (more) socialism, or displaced workers will be rioting and will either take their sustenance or be routed by "security" forces. Makes you wonder why the interest in cameras, robotic soldiers, and unmanned aerial drones...

    Start spreading this meme: The "Weekend at Bernie's" Economy!

    by Paul Goodman on Sun Mar 18, 2007 at 06:33:43 PM PDT

    •  And then... (1+ / 0-)

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      Skynet went online.

      Determining whether or not this comment is snark is left as an exercise for the reader.

      by aztecraingod on Sun Mar 18, 2007 at 06:48:11 PM PDT

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    •  The marxists argue: (3+ / 0-)

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      Even with robots you will need robot designers, robot operators, robot repair technicians, designers, operators, and repair technicians for the machines that build the robots, and so on.

      Automation does not make labor obsolete -- it just increases the system's investment in dead labor, i.e. technology, while (according to Capital vol. 3) reducing the aggregate rate of profit (because then all businesses will have to invest in more and more technology)...

      "Imagine all the people/ Sharing all the world" -- John Lennon

      by Cassiodorus on Sun Mar 18, 2007 at 07:20:21 PM PDT

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      •  I would reply to them (2+ / 0-)

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        The rate of profit is not a important as the distribution of profit.

        A king in ancient times was much more happy then a rich man today, why? He had instinctual gratification, he had power. The rich man lusts for more and more wealth because the wealth he has isn't satisfying his instincts. A few men controlling the means of production can control the rest; the robots allow for fewer humans to need to be in the loop so to speak; it's the ultimate elimination of the middle man. This is the promise and peril of robotics; we know people will develop them, but what will the rest of the people do in response. This is key. Will they rise up? Will they be mowed down?

        Start spreading this meme: The "Weekend at Bernie's" Economy!

        by Paul Goodman on Sun Mar 18, 2007 at 08:48:49 PM PDT

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        •  Technology reduces the aggregate profit rate! (1+ / 0-)

          A few men controlling the means of production can control the rest; the robots allow for fewer humans to need to be in the loop so to speak; it's the ultimate elimination of the middle man.

          In terms of the overall system, however, the system of robots still requires laborers -- and we still haven't factored in the extra educational costs, since it requires more education to train the robot manufacturers, mechanics, etc. to do what they do.  This extra education will increase the demand for educators, thus an additional need for labor...

          "Imagine all the people/ Sharing all the world" -- John Lennon

          by Cassiodorus on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 10:34:01 AM PDT

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  •  Somewhere in there Christianity became (1+ / 0-)

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    capitalism too ...
    which is a very important concept in understanding the role of the religious-right in the United States.

  •  Cassiodorus, I was a philosophy major (7+ / 0-)

    and read a lot of Marx, Hegel, Frankfurt School, some phenomenology and existentialism, in addition to yer basic Enlightenment philosophers, Descartes, Hume, etc.

    I could not have a discussion with you in any details; I read all this stuff over 25 years ago.

    What I do understand, however, is that the misunderstanding of Marx and the meaning of his writings, is profoundly misunderstood in most intellectual circles in the United States, including among liberals.

    American intellectuals by and large take great pains to make sure that no one thinks they are talking about "class warfare"; they make a point of saying idiotic things like "Marx has been discredited."

    I look around me and I would say Adam Smith is the one who has been discredited. I see class conflict up the wazoo, I see the monopoly capitalism that Marx described in volume 1 of Capital on a global scale, I see almost exactly what Baran and Sweezy wrote about in the 1950s or 60s.I see concentration of the ownership of the means of production, and I see Bush's policies hastening this trend.

    Marx is not relevant? Yeah right.

    The corporate media are destroying progressive Democrats. The Clintons are destroying the Democratic Party.

    by lecsmith on Sun Mar 18, 2007 at 07:03:40 PM PDT

    •  I wouldn't say either Smith or Marx had been dis- (2+ / 0-)

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      credited.  Both were wrong about some things and each highlighted aspects of social reality we ought to pay attention to.  The proof of their value is the different ways we can still make use of some of their ideas to explain and understand stuff we run into in the modern world.  I wish I knew more of Smith -- I've at least read most of Marx and find him charming and funny in addition to insightful, even as he is also overly optimistic about his own ability to see how things will go.  

      But I'm too tired to say right now what exactly we can use in thinking about our current situation.  Except maybe this, that various economic and social systems can give even good people incentives to act badly.  We don't need conspiracies to explain lots of bad behaviour because market forces can coordinate actions as effectively as collusion in many circumstances. (And if that isn't cryptic . . .)

      •  the end of social classes (4+ / 0-)

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        But I'm too tired to say right now what exactly we can use in thinking about our current situation.

         I think we've been buffaloed by so much propaganda from the defenders of the status quo that we've forgotten to want an end to social classes...

        "Imagine all the people/ Sharing all the world" -- John Lennon

        by Cassiodorus on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 01:24:56 AM PDT

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  •  ***addition*** (3+ / 0-)

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    Another primary fallacy of the Right with respect to Marx is that they imagine that under socialism everyone would be "equal."  The Critique of the Gotha Program ends that speculation, too.  Marx didn't give two hoots about equality -- he knew that people weren't equal.  His goal was the abolition of social classes, and thus of all political systems aimed at the domination of men.  Equality had nothing to do with that.  From the domination of men to the administration of things, an old slogan once went.

    Sorry I forgot to add this until later...

    "Imagine all the people/ Sharing all the world" -- John Lennon

    by Cassiodorus on Sun Mar 18, 2007 at 07:16:56 PM PDT

  •  "When the world is running down, (2+ / 0-)

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    you make the best of what's still around." - The Police.

    "Every goddamn Republican in the country is a traitor." -- Perry Logan.

    by Andy Lewis on Sun Mar 18, 2007 at 08:21:34 PM PDT

  •  Fantastic Diary, and quite enlightening.. (4+ / 0-)

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    Your closing quote hit me right on the nose:

    In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly -- only then then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!

    As a person who has had great interest in Ayn Rand's works and Objectivism in general (albeit on a basis of critiquing where she was wrong) it's quite revealing to find out that one of the main villainous arguments she employs is that last clause spoke by Marx.

    Personally, I had thought that someone like Rand, who defended capitalism and defended the ideal of working for your own gains, would choose to attack Marx so thoroughly on this one point.

    If you get the time, I'd love to see you write a compare/contrast diary between Marxist Capitalism/Communism and Objectivism.

    •  from another Internet discussion (1+ / 0-)

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      my friend Matthew suggests that Rand and Objectivism are widely regarded as mere amateurs from within departments of Philosophy...

      as for Marx's ideal (borrowed from Louis Blanc; Marx often felt obliged to work with the French, with whom he had a love-hate relationship) --

      anyone who argues against "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" will have to say why they think unmet needs and unused abilities are a good thing...

      "Imagine all the people/ Sharing all the world" -- John Lennon

      by Cassiodorus on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 09:03:32 AM PDT

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      •  The general consensus I've heard.. (2+ / 0-)

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        .. is that Rand's arguments are not so much amateurish as they are fraudulent; nothing more that an amalgamation of borrowed ideas from other philosophers and economists over the years, including the blatant references to Aristotle in the chapter headings of Atlas Shrugged.

        However, I suppose that is that part of the attraction of Rand's works to many people during their college years. It's like looking at all those great philosophers again, thrown into a giant blender with mid-20th Century capitalism, socialism and communism and spilled back out onto the page in an almost nonsensical, mind-numbing manner.

        ---

        In regards to the Marx clause.. it's quite telling that the right-leaning libertarian and neoconservative schools of thought ignore Rand's argument against that very principle, by holding the very people who have the least ability and least need - those trust fund mil/billionaires who have inherited their wealth and know only how to manipulate it to make more wealth from no work - far above those with the greatest ability - The Middle/Working Class.

        If I remember correctly, Rand herself calls that anathema.

  •  I consider myself a Marxist.... (2+ / 0-)

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    ...in the tradition of Antonio Gramsci, Paul Baran, Paul Sweezy, Harry Braverman, and others. I feel Marx' analysis of the "political economy" are VERY relevant today. Look at the vast inequalities of wealth and power and see who has said wealth and power and what they do with it.
    The reason why the revolution hasn't happend it because the ruling class has ameliorated the effects of Capitalism just enough to pacify more radical reforms.

    "...if my thought-dreams could be seen, they'd probably put my head in a guillotine...." {-8.13;-5.59}

    by lams712 on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 10:28:16 AM PDT

  •  Thanks Cassiodorus! (2+ / 0-)

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    Recommended and hotlisted for future reference!

    "The truth shall set you free - but first it'll piss you off." Gloria Steinem

    Iraq Moratorium

    by One Pissed Off Liberal on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 01:46:34 PM PDT

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