CSPAN-2 - CONSERVATIVE COALITION ON PRESIDENTIAL POWER!

Bruce Fein, former Deputy Attorney General under Reagan, et al. speaking up against the injustices and illegalities of BushCo!!  Let's talk in a bit...It sounds very interesting.  They are calling for Left, Center, Right to hold in check the Power of the Executive.  Man, could it be that they are looking at a future with the Dems in power and they need to strip it out now?!  

HUFFINGTON POST HAS A STORY UP...Link below
HuffPo Story

edrie's blog also...thanks.
edrie's diary

Conservative link perhaps worth perusing for info.

I'm trying!  Thanks for your input!

•  Bob Barr

  has been outspoken about his dissatisfaction with the Bush administration for some time.  He is an ultraconservative jerk, but at least he has recognised and protested Bush's assaults on Civil Liberties.

  by MadRuth on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:28:50 AM PDT

  •  He is a Libertarian - it was only a matter of

    time before BushCo and other authoritarian Republicans came to blows with the Libertarian faction of the party.

    by inclusiveheart on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:44:24 AM PDT

    •  Ron Paul, as well -

      even more a libertarian than Barr.  He's been howling from a very lonely rooftop for a while now.

      by wozzle on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 11:25:30 AM PDT

•  So Bruce Fein, former deputy AG

  is calling out Bushco. Is that necessarily a Conservative Coalition action? Or is he just realizing, as many paleocons have, that Bush II represents none of what they stood for?

  Your diary isn't filling me in much.

  by Tuffy on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:29:39 AM PDT

•  Rohrabacher

  Did anybody see Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) on C-SPAN last night excoriating the Bush administration and the Justice Department over the Ramos/Campion affair? His evisceration of the executive was literally jaw-dropping. He more or less called Bush out as a charlatan, saying something to the effect that all of the president's talk of Christian compassion is just a facade and that the executive's contempt of the Congress is utterly unacceptable. It was really an amazing display. Kudos to Rep. Rohrabacher for speaking his mind (right-winger though he is).

  by pennquaker08 on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:32:10 AM PDT

  •  It amazes me that of all the atrocities

    committed by this admin, Rohrbacher, Sessions, Hunter and their ilk are upset (and passionately) about illegal immigration. I've even heard calls for impeachment from this bunch. They have no problem with any of the dastardly deeds done to our freedoms and Constitution.

    by madgranny on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 11:17:44 AM PDT

•  Bruce Fein has spoken out before

  about the abuses of BushCo, he has been a "lone voice in the Republican wilderness" for at least a couple years now.  He has testified before on the illegality of this Administrations actions.  he's one of the Republicans we want more of, don't agree with him much but he will logically and intelligently discuss and argue issues, instead of name-calling and fear-mongering.....where did all those Republicans go????

  by Tinuviel on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:32:24 AM PDT

  •  Ron Paul has been solid as well. n/t

    by McGirk on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 12:08:26 PM PDT

•  How about blogging some

  of what you are seeing on C-Span?  Some of us can only drop in here periodically....gotta work too....

  by Tinuviel on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:34:16 AM PDT

•  lot of talk about usurping of power

  constitutional power, mainly by Pres. David Keene Spoke about it being done under the cover of " doing the right thing"

  by OneCrankyDom on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:36:07 AM PDT

•  Barr accuses the Public of lack of knowledge

  this is a basic blaming of the victim not standing up to the Bully ( Bush)

  by OneCrankyDom on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:37:03 AM PDT

  •  I don't think he realizes how many people have

    been trying but bush was not hearing. This sounds big, really big.

    by Owllwoman on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:39:55 AM PDT

  •  Gee...

    Whose responsibility is it to inform the public?  Would that be the 'liberal' media?  If you watched TeeVee or read the WaPo, how many times would you hear the term 'abuse of power' or 'civil liberties in jeapardy?"  Idiot.

    by RichM on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:42:39 AM PDT

•  Their too nice when speaking about power.

  Yes, bush intented to take away power to fit his needs!!!!This is  a step in the right direction, though. Habeas, Yes.

  by Owllwoman on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:37:29 AM PDT

•  Barr dissing Gonzo

  Says that the AG deserves a "roar of dissaproval all the way to Moscow" for saying there is no habeus corpus right.  And berates the American public for not caring enough.  Wow.  Scorching.

  by strobusguy on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:38:42 AM PDT

  •  How many newspaper headlines were written on this

    None that I can recall.  These are the same bozos who hoot about the 'liberal' press.  They can't blame the public when the media refuses to inform the people.

    by RichM on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:44:21 AM PDT

    •  With you on that

      Just repeating the statement.  I wish they'd say something about needing a healthy "4th branch" -- a free, independent, stalwart press that ALSO must serve to check presidential power (and to report aggressively on the lapses of the legislative and judicial branches).

      by strobusguy on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:48:07 AM PDT

    •  HuffPo is covering the initiative on their

      front page:

      Prominent Conservatives Launch Effort To Restore "Civil Liberties Under Assault By Executive Branch"

      Four prominent conservative thinkers are set to launch a campaign "to restore checks and balances and civil liberties protections under assault by the Executive Branch," arguing that, "since 9/11, the President has acquired too much power."

      by inclusiveheart on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:49:00 AM PDT

      •  Awesome, I love HuffPo

        by blubryeyes on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 11:10:27 AM PDT

•  would you mind picking up the content of my diary

  adding it here?  you just did a breaking without explaining WHAT is breaking!  i tried to put out what is being said - and i have absolutely NO problem if you copy the text into your diary - this is too important to NOT have the content there!

  either that, or people can come over here...
  

  either way, lets get on the same page, PLEASE!

  by edrie on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:38:45 AM PDT

  •  Classy. n/t

    by Tuffy on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:41:33 AM PDT

  •  sorry, was busy typing

    you are welcome to use any of my comment to flesh out your diary.

    by OneCrankyDom on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:52:37 AM PDT

•  Barr yada yada

  lack of civic training, time for more teaching of civics.  Fein, now about the Nixon statement, I'm pres., so I'm right.  The outrage at the time drove the impeachment, no outrage driving anything now.

  by OneCrankyDom on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:38:48 AM PDT

  •  obviously we aren't hearing the same

    press conference - there is a seething that is being couched carefully in those words - outrage is most DEFINITELY present!

    by edrie on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:50:01 AM PDT

    •  Barr and Fein

      both made the point that they blame the American Public for not having stood up to Bush a couple years ago.  Sure there is outrage, but not on the scale of Watergate.

      by OneCrankyDom on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 11:02:44 AM PDT

      •  i heard their criticism of the republican

        congress that has given him a pass at every turn, as well.  there is definitely enough criticism to go around here - definitely enough - even with us - maybe if we had yelled louder with better facts, we could have been heard sooner!

        but the real issue now is how do we undo the damage - and, quite frankly, i am glad they are on our side - and we, theirs - it builds our strength and gives us a better chance to succeed in stopping bush and undoing the damage!

        by edrie on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 12:38:43 PM PDT

        •  I'm hoping this is a good step also...

          unity of Americans would be a best first step.  The good sign is we have same ideas of the Constitution and executive power.  I hope they can pull the Conservative party away from that friggen religious right and bring home and together those of all parties that can embrace our similarities instead of dividing over our differences.

          by blubryeyes on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 12:57:05 PM PDT

          •  i'm thinking it is begun. if the republicans who

            not neocons find "cover" with the honest conservatives, then there is hope that we can get back to being the nation I remember for more than 40 years (discounting the last 12)

            reagan started the ball rolling at dividing this nation - my feeling is that it was the result of his alsheimer's giving those who "controlled him" (think cheney, rummy, perle, etc) a foothold into power and an insight in how to "take" it with the "unitary executive" plan (then float a mental case and manipulate!)

            let's hope that this IS a reuniting of all the GOOD people who believe in this country.  the old school republicans remember how the system used to work - where the day after the elections, the two parties got down to the business of running the government - NOT pushing an agenda.

            by edrie on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 07:25:18 PM PDT

    •  Edrie, I linked to your diary on this...

      hope that's okay.  Might as well share the info...sorry I'm so green at this, but I actually set up two links for the first time!!  Baby steps.

      by blubryeyes on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 11:20:08 AM PDT

      •  that's good! glad you did - and congrats

        on the links!  when you are getting something important out - don't be afraid to go back and edit main body and add more!  this was a good start for a first!

        i've got to go out so i couldn't stay and maintain the diary like it should be done - so i'm glad you got this one up there!

        and feel free to cross ref me anytime - it isn't the person it is the material that is critical nowadays...

        oh, and welcome to the site, newbie! 8^D

        by edrie on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 12:36:27 PM PDT

    •  The "no outrage" statement

      was made by Fein. He was scolding us - American people.

      by madgranny on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 11:20:52 AM PDT

  •  But,

    This is a very good start. If Republicans are actually talking about the abuses of power by this cabal, it's a good thing(channeling Martha Stewart).

    by Casper46 on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:50:31 AM PDT

  •  Barr doesn't seem to understand that

    the media in the early 70s was actually trying to do its job; he still sees media as having a liberal bias and a core of old pros.  What part of "people believe what they see on TV" doesn't he understand?

    by wozzle on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 11:40:57 AM PDT

•  Fein wants their issues to be part of Pres.

  debate, of all partys. Fein, plans to try and place a bill ie their agenda.  They have a signboard I missed, anyone know what it says ?

  by OneCrankyDom on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:40:59 AM PDT

•  They're all agreeing that we all won't agree on

  everything, but we all agree that our civil liberties and safety have been violated and diminished with the Bush Administration and it's power grab.  They are calling on all political parties to sincerely see this as an overall assault on American values and integrity, and and American issue, not a political party issue.  Fein just said something to the effect that just because the President says he can do it and it's legal, does not mean that and is something to stand up against and question.  He is definitely debunking Cheney and all his public statements about speaking up only feeds the insurgency and aids and abets the enemies.  In fact, he said in essence that that is UnAmerican and ludicrous for us to believe.  They are advocating for American insight of the Constitution and Executive Power and the three Branches.  It's interesting.  I'm not catching everything now, but I like what they're saying.  Just a little suspicious as to why now, after all the death and destruction.  Perhaps it's because Bushco is finally falling to shreds and they can.  Who the hell gave that lawn gnome all this power?  Hmmmm, come to think of it, Rove is about to get chopped off at the knees.  Timing is everything, and perhaps quite revealing.

  by blubryeyes on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:41:24 AM PDT

  •  No...

    It's because now Dems control the Congress.  Where where these guys 1 year ago when it was a one-party government?

    by RichM on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:46:47 AM PDT

    •  These guys have

      been saying this for a couple years.  I've heard and seen them before Congress, on C-Span, on PBS.  They couldn't get any traction when their own party was in power because Republicans did not want to give them a voice or admit they were going the wrong way.  These guys are not new and they deserve some attention from us....they are advocating much of the same things found here on DKos and MyDD and others.  don't cut them off without a complete review.

      by Tinuviel on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:51:30 AM PDT

      •  You are correct - Barr has been saying this for a

        while.  I think he has an opportunity to be heard now that he didn't just like the Liberals who have been on the other side of the aisle complaining about the Executive Branch's offenses do now.

        The Republican caucus is fracturing.

        by inclusiveheart on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 11:07:25 AM PDT

•  Fein

  question, about lacking congressional balance being able to control Pres. Fein speaks to history of being more loyal to Const. instead of Party. He says we have failed to see that kind of statesmanship.

  by OneCrankyDom on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:43:45 AM PDT

•  Did you hear that? a marketing

  campaign to try to jump on the democrats bandwagon of keepers of the constitution. It took only 3 months in office for the democrats to put the checks and balances back in place and now these conservatives are asking for checks and balances in their own party. Sorry you republicans sold out our constitution to the powers that be for the last 5 years, you can't take it back that easily. The keepers of the gate are Democrats.

  by 313to212 on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:45:12 AM PDT

  •  nice catch nt

    by OneCrankyDom on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:47:04 AM PDT

  •  I agree with you on their blatant failure of the

    people and the Constitution.  they've have had more than a few administrations to contribute integrity and honesty to the sytem, and they squandered and stole much of what the country has meant, and was meant to be.  The Democrats are the keepers of the Constitution.  And I welcome anyone who would like to join in the stance, just don't bring your lies and corruption to the party.

    by blubryeyes on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:48:48 AM PDT

    •  We, the People

      just conducted a fairly thorough cleaning of the House and won the Senate.  It was an historical event, and it is ruining Bushco.

      The people sometimes have a hard time understanding things, especially when their president and his minions in the media are feeding them lies.  I even have a hard time believing my ears at the blatant BS, spewed as gospel.  But once they get their bearings, we do pretty well.

      by wozzle on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 11:48:23 AM PDT

  •  News Coverage

    Odds that news coverage of this will claim they are doing something that Democrats haven't had the courage to really do since they took the majority?

    It's fantastic that Republicans are finally standing up -- not for any administration -- but for the Constitution and the people regardless of political party, but I have a sick feeling this will somehow get spun as Republicans taking the lead in curtailing the executive branch -- just in time for a Democratic President (although, to be clear, I would be just as furious if a Democratic President behaved the way Bush and his administration have).

    I say, "Welcome to the fight!" but I will be very angry if the spin on this becomes "Republicans restoring democracy" rather than the truth that some in power, and some in the constituency, are finally waking up to what they've been enabling and are joining the fight we started (without much media coverage) years ago.

    by donnas on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 11:40:52 AM PDT

•  Keene trys to defend partisanship

  Barr, same vein, partisanship does not need overshadow principals. Partisanship can be barrier to working together, Bill hopes to help stop that.

  by OneCrankyDom on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:46:29 AM PDT

•  I'm listening to it now

  and they said that they are going to put their agenda into legislative language and they have interest from Congressman Paul.  They are talking about some things WE can get behind and support.....Fein just said it is essential to remind our politicians of their obligation to the Constitution comes before loyalty to party....this is what I have been waiting to hear!!  We need to know more about what they are proposing and how we can support it if we agree.

  by Tinuviel on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:47:07 AM PDT

  •  Finally

    Some R's who put country over party?

    by Casper46 on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:59:16 AM PDT

  •  I've been screaming

    at Senators Warner and Allen (gone, gone, gone) and Rep. Wolf for years now to remember they're Americans first, not just Republicans. It fell on deaf ears. I wonder if this will jolt anyone.

    by madgranny on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 11:24:52 AM PDT

  •  Ron Paul is the shit!

    I love that guy. He voted against the Patriot Act and the war, long before it was cool to do so.

    by McGirk on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 12:15:06 PM PDT

•  Do you think they are really sticking up for the

  Consitution or is their a deeper motive?  Are they trying to save their party? I want Habaes back and it looks like they do to.

  by Owllwoman on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:47:54 AM PDT

  •  Fein is a good man

    Barr has a passion, but can't be trusted far, I don't know about the others, but Ron Paul has made some of this part of his campainge.  It's over.

    by OneCrankyDom on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:49:48 AM PDT

    •  I don't know mutch about Fein,

      Barr is now a Libertarian party member, yet I still don't quite trust the guy after his endorsements of draconina drug laws which are the antithis of what a Libertarian should stand for. I consider him a LINO.
      Ron Paul is, of course, the shit. That guy rules.

      by McGirk on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 12:17:49 PM PDT

      •  He''s changed his mind on the drugwar.

        by ben masel on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 03:31:15 PM PDT

  •  Their party needs saving...it's been destroyed by

    BushCo.  I'm interested in what they're saying and doing.  They've had more than a few years to get here, but it could all be coming to a head now because there is oversight and the gallows are coming down.  They could only be doing it for that reason.  In any event, I hope it does help develop better relationships between the parties and get to what is good for this country rather than the murderous thieves they've become.  Did anyone hear if any Religious references were made?  It would be nice to get that party out from under the Religious right bullshit hypocracy.

    by blubryeyes on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:53:50 AM PDT

    •  Amazingly

      No.

      by Casper46 on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 11:01:33 AM PDT

    •  Since the coordinator of the CPAC

      meeting was among the group, I'd bet that as a result of their convention, they realized the state of their party. I have to wonder if the Democratic Congress gave them the courage (and/or the need) to speak up. They kept criticizing Congress as if it were this Congress that had ceded their responsibilities to the president. Convenient.

      by madgranny on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 11:01:36 AM PDT

      •  Or maybe they figured out

        at CPAC that a Democrat stands a good chance of being elected president in '08. They wouldn't want a Dem with all those powers, would they?

        by madgranny on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 11:27:13 AM PDT

      •  Both Parties rolled over.

        99-1.

        by ben masel on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 03:29:59 PM PDT

•  on placard

  make it illegal to name countrys and org. part of Terrorism based on Secret Data, must be public or not on any terrorist type list of any kind.

  by OneCrankyDom on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:48:20 AM PDT

  •  trying now to find a link to that

    posterboard - so far, no luck - but i think it will eventually end up on their website... at least, i'm hoping.  the website i found was this one.

    read the section on "complete victory in iraq" all the way through to the end... things are not looking good for bushco - the challenges on leadership are harsh!

    by edrie on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:58:41 AM PDT

    •  Yes, there were 10 points of their concern

      and discussion, and they were scathing against the Bush Administration and its violations, illegalities, and the increased danger we are in, and the destruction of our power and integrity.  I look forward to them being posted somewhere.  Thanks for your interest and concern about making this a better post.  I will someday be better at it.

      by blubryeyes on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 11:02:27 AM PDT

      •  just add more information now - use the edit...

        i'm going to change the title of my diary and some of the content regarding what i am finding out about the american conservative union -- some serious surprises over there - there is room for both discussions to be MUCH fuller right now - this is a major breaking story and we need to not let this drop from view - so go edit and add more to get people to come read - this is astounding!

        by edrie on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 11:04:17 AM PDT

•  please try to put up some substance - like i said

  you can copy mine, i don't care - but PLEASE do more than a friggin' one paragraph diary!

  flesh this out - it is too important to get lost!

  by edrie on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:48:57 AM PDT

  •  I'm sorry, I'm just not that fast....

    and I don't know how to set up an elaborate posting.  I'm glad to see the response, and I did tag CSPAN-2, which will likely do a rerun, and I put up the website that Rich Viguerie referenced when he was speaking.  Hopefully that helps, and I welcome any I can get.

    by blubryeyes on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 11:00:26 AM PDT

    •  Thanks for catching this.

      this was a VERY GOOD catch and I appreciate your efforts.  We will be hearing more of these guys I hope.

      by Tinuviel on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 11:02:52 AM PDT

•  SUBSTANCE HERE

  am i in an alternate universe?

  bob barr is speaking right now on cspan2 regarding the abuses of patriot act and national security letters.  he is saying we cannot wait for 30 years for the courts to rule, we cannot wait for another election cycle to restore the bill of rights - we have to do it every day in everything we do!  

  the chairman spoke of the unique crisis in our nation due to the state of "permanent war" since 9/11 that could go on into the next century without the restoration of checks and balances in our government.  

  a former conservative deputy attorney general, bruce finn, spoke of the abuses of executive privileges to cover up everything from the failure in iraq to the abuses in katrina.

  the cookie crumbles, folks - and it is happening fast!

  at the end of the day if we lose this battle, if america loses this battle it won't be because we sat by and let it happen!

  Finn is talking about the presidential signing statements.  he spoke of repeated abuses of this administration at the beginning.

  this group has finally realized the deep threat that is to our country - finn is issuing a challenge to ALL americans to protect the constitution.

  he is asking that all american aspirants for 2008 sign an american freedom agenda to support "these principles".

  this is the conservative coaltion on presidential power.

  go watch this - i am amazed that conservatives are saying that there are a lot of conservatives DO care about civil liberties.    Republican Ron Paul is talking about the carelessness of the "strict constitutionalist" term in selecting judges - and he is saying following article 1, section 8 - regarding declaration of war!

  GO WATCH!!!  WATCH THE RERUN!! THIS IS AMAZING!!!

  by strobusguy on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:51:29 AM PDT

  •  thanks - i'm hoping that the diarist will add

    more to the body of the diary - people tend to skip skimpy diaries - this is astounding and needs a great deal more attention!  here is the group we need to help in 2008 - a chance to undo for the good of the country!

    by edrie on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:55:17 AM PDT

    •  Perhaps you two can combine

      your diaries.  This is something that needs a full examination and presentation to the DKos readers. I thin we can support much of what these guys are advocating.  Show support for the Constitution and the rule of law....before the Democratic or Republican Party!!

      by Tinuviel on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 11:01:33 AM PDT

  •  Good job! Thanks.

    by blubryeyes on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:56:55 AM PDT

  •  Bruce Fein was among

    the group that represented the ABA when they sent a message to the president and Congress that they opposed Bush's signing statement. It was just about the only non-Demcoratic chip to the armor during the 108th and 109th Congress.

    by madgranny on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 11:14:12 AM PDT

•  I hope Cheney hears this in his hospital bed.

  That would take me back to the scene in Braveheart where King Edward I is on his death bed and his daughter-in-law whispers in his ear that she's just screwed William Wallace.

  by dov12348 on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:53:08 AM PDT

  •  Too funny....

    It's a great thought.  Last I heard, Cheney is back at the office doing what he does best.  Screwing America, killing Iraqis, and lining his pockets.

    by blubryeyes on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 10:58:00 AM PDT

•  the right wing

  the right wing finally gets that if the constitution is screwed for us on the left, it is screwed for them too.  Took em long enough.

  by pissedpatriot on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 11:03:14 AM PDT

  •  Good point.

    Maybe what they really fear is that a Democrat will be elected in 08.

    by madgranny on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 11:25:36 AM PDT

•  thanks for the huffpo link! also, you

  might want to add this link to the diary body - it is the american conservative union website - found some surprising articles there.

  hate to post and run - but today is market day - got to go to work now...

  have fun!  i did - after i got my jaw to close!

  by edrie on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 11:24:55 AM PDT

•  This is actually my fear...

  ...tempered by the hope that ANY reduction in the amount of Executive Power and or restoration of checks & balances is a good thing.

  The Democratic leader's intransigence on the vital and absolutely necessary Impeachment of Cheney/Bush is going to hand to the Conservatives a political victory that they will be able to exploit for the next 50 years.

  Get used to hearing this:

  "Remember when we had that really bad President? Who saved you? The Republican Minority, not the weak Democratic Majority."

  UUUGGH! I just vomited in my mouth a little.

  by dj angst on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 12:05:02 PM PDT

  •  i've got a different take on this...

    had the drumbeat from impeachment started with the dems who hold a one seat majority in the senate (where conviction must take place), then the effort would have been seen as partisan and not practical.

    by having those OUTSIDE the democratic party start the hue and cry, then this will truly be a bipartisan effort for the good of the country.

    frankly, i don't care WHO gets credit for starting this - the ONLY important issue that exists here is the removal of this administration before they can do more harm - and it has begun - we are watching history, folks - real, living, breathing HISTORY - live in a nation where we live!

    by edrie on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 01:27:12 PM PDT