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Impeach Gonzales

Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 12:54:12 PM PDT

The ongoing pledges of support for Gonzales from the White House are mind-boggling in their lack of political sensibility, lending some credence to the idea that Bush might just be losing it. Any sane person would have to look at this situation and see Alberto Gonzales as an anchor.  That includes Republicans:

"We have to have an attorney general who is candid, truthful. And if we find out he has not been candid and truthful, that's a very compelling reason for him not to stay on," said Specter, R-Pa....

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said Gonzales has been "wounded" by the firings. "He has said some things that just don't add up," said Graham, who also is on the Senate Judiciary panel. And Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., said the Justice Department has continually changed its story about the dismissals.

"You cannot have the nation's chief law enforcement officer with a cloud hanging over his credibility," Hagel said.

The White House certainly isn't going bow to pressure from the likes of these three, but given any rational observer can see how damaging this situation is, and that it's only getting worse, what could be going on in their heads? Only two possibilities come to mind, and I suspect only one is really the answer. First, Bush truly is so stubborn, so willful, and so stupid as to not see the danger that Gonzales poses to the already damaged presidency, and he isn't going to let his Fredo go. But what is much more likely, Karl Rove needs the distraction, the deflection that Gonzales provides. As long as he's catching much of the heat, the White House stays out of the focus.

But that game is unlikely to work for long. That Gonzales didn't cook up this whole scheme on his own is clear to everyone. As Froomkin writes:

It's no secret in Washington that Gonzales is not an autonomous player. His entire career has been as an enabler of George Bush. He does what he's told.... It's not as obvious who has been his minder since he became attorney general two years ago. But presumably either he or, more to the point, the staffers who write his speeches and draw up his talking points still get their marching orders directly from the West Wing.

And now, with his central talking point exposed as clumsy dishonesty, it's clear that whoever prepped Gonzales and sent him out to face the media was more focused on White House interests than on telling the truth.

Josh reinforces that:

This isn't a case where Alberto Gonzales has fallen short of the president's standards or bungled some process. This is the standard. The Attorney General has done and is doing precisely what is expected of him.... None of this is about Alberto Gonzales. This is about the president and the White House, which is where this entire plan was hatched. Gonzales was just following orders, executing the president's plans. This is about this president and this White House, which ... let's be honest, everyone on both sides of the aisle already knows.

Gonzales's refusal to resign and Bush's refusal to force it are part and parcel of the effort to protect Rove, Miers, and ultimately Bush. Which is precisely why Alberto Gonzales must be impeached. It reflects why Gonzales is not and never was fit to serve as Attorney General of the United States. He has never been and never will be anything other than Bush's lackey, even as it means the complete and total destruction of his professional life.

That he is willing to put protecting Bush ahead of protecting himself isn't the issue. That he is willing to put protecting Bush ahead of his duties as the chief law enforcement officer in the nation, ahead of the Constitution, ahead of the rule of law makes him unfit to serve.

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  •  Calling for resignation not enough ... (8+ / 0-)

    It is the easy way out for the likes of Schumer and Clinton et al.

    •  It's not enough (15+ / 0-)

      And imagine the fun things we'd find in discovery during impeachment hearings.

      Impeach his sorry ass.

      "There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty." - John Adams.

      by mcjoan on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 12:54:25 PM PDT

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      •  What are the Dems afraid of?! - n/t (3+ / 0-)

        •  Impeachment Is A Political WMD.... (4+ / 0-)

          Which is why it has been done so infrequently in American history.

          That said, if there were ever a case which could stand up on its merits, this would be the one.

          My only concern--the clever bastards in the House of Bush were already flogging the "victims of politics" theme. Impeachment would seem to play into the hands of such a narrative.

          That said, having a full airing of this administration's dirty laundry might serve as a counterweight.

          It is a qualified risk, but it may well be one worth taking.

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          Theres nothing left til you pray for salvation"
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          by Steve Singiser on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 01:09:21 PM PDT

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          •  what they accuse others of (2+ / 0-)

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            is exactly what they are guilty of, in this and so many other things. Tie this to the GSA scandal and the like and a counter-narrative can be built. One wherein Bush and his gang have stolen the public trust inherent in holding government office and used it purely for political/party gain. "Bush is only the president for those that voted for him." I've heard that more than one these days.

            Its not like the majority of people believe anything this White House says anymore.

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            by Dr Benway on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 01:35:13 PM PDT

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          •  Fredo Has Bush By the Short Hairs (2+ / 0-)

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            and impeachment is the only way to break that hold.

            When you borrow a little money from the bank and cannot pay it back, you are in trouble.  When you borrow a lot of money from the bank and cannot pay it back, the bank is in trouble.  That is where Bush is.

            Bush has loaned a lot of his defense out to his factotum, the AG, and Gonzales has squandered it and now Bush is left without any defense, except to delay the inevitable and hope for a miracle.  If Bush dumps Gonzales, the AG just fesses up: It was all a Bush/Rove scheme to boost Republicans and screw Democrats.  So, Bush must keep Fredo on the job and wait it out.

            Impeaching the Attorney General is the only way to break this stalemate.

            •  Bush is in Utter State of Panic and Denial. (0+ / 0-)

              He realizes that his presidency is in shambles... with shitty approval ratings, a loser war that he started, Katrina screw-up, Walter Reed scandal, etc.  The guy knows that he's f*cked and he's just staving off the inevitable.  With each latest scandal, he's sinking deeper and deeper.  Right now he's struggling to keep his chin above the quicksand. (unfortunately, that's why we can still hear his indignant outrage)  His whole presidency is a corrupt, partisan house of cards that's falling apart before our very eyes.  He can't stop the inevitable.  Sorry, dude-president, you lose, loser.

              P.S.  Maybe it's a good time to offer an open invitation to the few Republicans who are still in touch with reality (Hagel, Specter, Snowe, Collins, Graham, etc.) to abandon their sinking ship (Bush presidency and whacked-out Republican Party) and join the Democratic Party.  If we got a few of them on our side, we could also dump Lieberman for good.

          •  I think you need... (1+ / 0-)

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            a very solid foundation before moving to impeachment.  If it were up to me, I would have impeached the lot of 'em back in 2000.  I think it's clear that there are gross breaches of law and ethics but these hearings haven't even ramped up yet and I think they need to proceed very methodically. There's a battle for the hearts and minds of this occupied country and I don't know if anything has been nailed down in popular opinion yet  But I think the other shoe is dropping very swiftly.  The hounds of heaven are definately streaking towards their prey.

            "We're all working for the Pharaoh" - Richard Thompson

            by mayan on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 02:12:35 PM PDT

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        •  The flesh is weak. (0+ / 0-)

          We don't have the votes for a senate bill, much less for impeachment.

          Remember, we have a 51/49  majority, and one senator is recovering from a stroke and can't come to the senate to vote.

          Also, for impeachment, I think it take 67 votes. It is called a super majority, but I am not an expert on Senate rules.

          •  May not be able to convict in the Senate, (3+ / 0-)

            but to impeach in the House would still be an important action to take, if for no other reason than for the investigation that it would necessitate. The prima facie case is there; now let's get the details and the evidence.

            "A president who breaks the law is a threat to the very structure of our government....President Bush has repeatedly violated the law for six years." Al Gore

            by psnyder on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 01:39:48 PM PDT

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            •  In any event, (1+ / 0-)

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              the process should commence in the House Judiciary Committee.  Let Conyers' committee gather the evidence into an Impeachment resolution.  In the process, you hopefully will be able to pick up a groundswell of support for a successful Impeachment and build up the cases against bush and Cheney even further.  But the process must begin NOW!

              •  I think the longer this goes on (1+ / 0-)

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                the more damage is done to the Republican't Party. A whole generation of voters is watching this train wreak.

                There is an old rule in politics that says never get in the way of your opponent when he is self deconstructing.

                An "impeachment" might start a pity party. This way, we grill them till we get to the bottom of what they did.

            •  I am certain that he will resign if (0+ / 0-)

              it gets close to impeachment in the House...The AG will know that if all these R's are calling for him to step down then he has not a great deal of choices in this.  It will be announced as for the good of the country which means for the good of Bush.

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              by shanti2 on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 04:31:33 PM PDT

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        •  their shadows? (0+ / 0-)

          really, I don't know.

          if they stick to the story - that Gonzalez helped fire prosecutors who were doing a good job for purely political reasons, and then lied about - they will have the people behind them.

          Maybe they are afraid that once you impeach this guy, you're on the slippery slope, and next thing you impeach the big guy, and that's unthinkable ...

          or they think that as long as the bushies continue to screw up, all they have to do is nothing, and they'll win again.

          An ambulance can only go so fast - Neil Young

          by mightymouse on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 01:35:35 PM PDT

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        •  Afraid? Or patiently waiting a little more time (1+ / 0-)

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          Imho, letters of impeachment ideally should come from the same party.

          The depth of the deceptions and the seriousness of the distraction to the Presidency and Congress almost requires impeachment now. Kudos to mcjoan for a clear call and it's time for Hagel or some other Republican to be equally clear and aggresive.

          Bush can't let go of Gonzalez or Rove as they're his, he's the "decider". Once the GOP is assured that this is going to be a definite loss, they need to rush it along and out of attention.  The GOP is on point with the clock running out; at the least they need to DEMAND resignation like I suspect they did w/ Rummy.  

          If the Democrats take up impeachment first, the GOP candidates will be hopelessly tainted with Bush's crimes: party-over-country, lack of courage, corruption, cronyism...

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          by kck on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 01:36:35 PM PDT

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      •  What a great diary, mcjoan... (2+ / 0-)

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        Really well-said.

        "We're all working for the Pharaoh" - Richard Thompson

        by mayan on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 02:06:13 PM PDT

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    •  BREAKING GonzoGate Player taking the 5th (6+ / 0-)

      Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything. Harry S. Truman

      by deepsouthdoug on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 12:57:48 PM PDT

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      •  Good, give her immunity - she's small fry! (5+ / 0-)

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        •  Is that how it works? (0+ / 0-)

          Can congress offer immunity that would protect against criminal prosecution?  Even by Bush's punk, Gonzales?  If so, absolutely they should do it!

          •  Not sure who grants immunity - not a Lawyer (0+ / 0-)

            But I'm sure things could be arranged!

          •  Kind of (0+ / 0-)

            Yes, they did that with Ollie North back in the day.

            The risk is that she'll use Ollie's gimmick: "Oh, I've got immunity? In that case, the crimes were all my idea and no one else knew about them!" (Obviously her testimony has to be consistent with the documents, but if the documents are enough to prove that the higher-ups were involved, then there's no need to grant her immunity.)

            •  Immunity (0+ / 0-)

              Any grant of immunity after someone pleads the 5th Amendment can be carefully tailored to specific questions.  In Iran-Contra, Congress made a terrible decision, offering North a General grant of immunity before the Special Prosecutor was prepared to present an indictment, and agreeing to North's testimony without a preliminary interview regarding subjects to be covered in public hearings.  What North did then is called an
              immunity bath" -- he put everything he possibly could be charged with on the Committee record, thus getting himself broad immunity.  

              In Watergate, John Dean asked for and got immunity (though the staff of the Ervin Committee knew the content of his testimony) -- but Archie Cox, just to be sure, packed up the evidence he had gathered before Dean appeared, and filed it with the Judge, so as to avoid the kind of problem North eventually presented.  It is rather ironic that the Use Immunity law (which dates from 1970) was actually drafted by John Dean when he worked for Mitchell at DOJ!!!

              Immunity could be useful in dealing with Goodling, but only after they know enough about her, what she did, what she might know, to very carefully limit and tailor the grant to immunity to specific subjects.  Immunity has the effect of forcing ms. goodling to answer questions around which she has a grant of immunity truthfully and completely -- if she fails this in any significant way, the immunity agreement is voided.  

              I favor beginning pressure on Conyers to prepare to impeach Gonzales on the charge of lying to Congress.  To put pressure -- we need resolutions of impeachment put in the Hopper by sitting Representatives -- perhaps a few before the Easter/Passover break, then lots of pressure on Reps while they are back in District, and many more in the first days after the break.  As a measure -- after the Saturday Night Massacre, there were a hundred such resolutions introduced the following week.  That kind of public pressure will be necessary if one wants to see a Gonzales impeachment inquiry to begin.  All those resolutions were in response to several million calls, letters and telegrams in the wake of the Massacre.  

              In Impeachment inquiries it is extremely hard to use Executive Privilege -- meaning that in an inquiry, Conyers could probably get Rove under Oath.  (That was essentially what USA v. Nixon was about -- Nixon claimed executive privilege on the Tapes, and the Court said no way.)  

              Now I do not favor the impeachment of Bush or Cheney -- even though the evidence might point to such impeachable offenses.  I see an impeachment of Gonzales being about Congressional Oversight responsibilities, and Congress's right to full and truthful testimony in oversight proceedings.  It is about Congress clawing back Congressional Power the Republicans gave away over the last six years.  I even suspect on Gonzales it would not be terribly difficult to get a Senate Conviction.  Gonzales has no personal political constituancy.  

              So you want it to happen -- STEP ONE -- get a few resolutions in the hopper now, STEP TWO -- push the issue during the break and get more resolutions on Congress's return.  And by the way, you can impeach even after a resignation...keep that in mind.  

        •  She's not that small, check out all those (0+ / 0-)

          emails in the doc dump!

          In youth we learn, in age we understand.

          by Jbeaudill on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 01:19:05 PM PDT

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      •  every rat for himself!! (3+ / 0-)

        I am getting major wood over this. I admit it.

        Worst president in history. Supported by the worst Americans in history.

        by Terminus on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 01:11:16 PM PDT

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      •  Hmmmm ... (2+ / 0-)

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        She worked with Sampson on the firings and was DOJ/White House liason.

        She took indefinite personal leave last week.

        John McCain - all aboard the lobbyist express!

        by jrooth on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 01:13:43 PM PDT

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  •  cheaper by the dozen? (2+ / 0-)

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    There are probably more than 12 Republicans deserving to be impeached--and if we had the votes, democracy could be restored.

  •  Well... (2+ / 0-)

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    He can always find work at the Heritage Foundation.

  •  Travel Office Firings (0+ / 0-)

    Wasn't one of the GOP's main lines of attack that Hillary had a role in the firings - and she had no authority to fire, so her actions were wrongful?

    Do we see anyone in the current US Attorney firings situation who was involved with the firings without authority to do so(cough* cough* Rove* cough* cough)...hello?  GOP guardians of the tenure of political appointees?  Anyone home?

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    by JLFinch on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 12:56:44 PM PDT

  •  What did Sampson do (0+ / 0-)

    that is making him invoke the Fifth during his planned testimony before the Senate?

    Must be SOMETHING, right?

  •  Gonzales as the 'heat shield' (6+ / 0-)

    to Bush, in the same way that Rumsfeld was.

    As long as someone else was taking the heat, the President feels protected.

    "I'm not a Muslim,...not that there's anything wrong with it." what Obama should say

    by steelman on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 12:57:22 PM PDT

  •  From Josh Marshall (4+ / 0-)

    (March 26, 2007 -- 03:45 PM EST // link)
    Breaking off the AP wire: DoJ official Monica Goodling to take the 5th at upcoming congressional hearing.

    The noose tightens!

  •  and many of us were on record opposing him for AG (3+ / 0-)

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    as I remember it, Armando organized a blog swarm, and hundreds of people posted blogs about why Gonzales should not become AG, most of all because of his approval of torture.  I know.  I was one of that large group.

    And I will not support anyone who, knowing what we knew then, was willing to vote to confirm him.  For example, Ken Salazar voted to confirm.  I am not his constituent.  I will not support him financially, or in any other way, for any office, unless and until he (and all the others) publicly apologize for helping foist this man upon our Department of Justice.

    do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

    by teacherken on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 12:57:54 PM PDT

  •  I would like the answer this (0+ / 0-)

    My husband just said that Gonzales can't be impeached.  He can be fired, criminally prosecuted, we can drive him out of office through public outcry.  He doesn't hold an impeachable office.  

    Don't ask me.  He just said this.

    White woman over 50 for OBAMA!! (Endorsed 6/07)

    by nolalily on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 12:57:59 PM PDT

  •  Gonzalez makes Ed Meese look tame and (2+ / 0-)

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    takes us all the way back to the good old days of John Mitchell.

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    by arubyan on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 12:58:34 PM PDT

  •  Oh, come now. (0+ / 0-)

    "He has never been and never will be anything other than Bush's lackey, even as it means the complete and total destruction of his professional life."

    I guess, if you consider a fat contract from Halliburton and endless honorarium's on the neo-con rubber chicken circuit to be career death.

  •  want to start a blog tracking Lindsey Graham? (2+ / 0-)

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    If he wants to be a political hack someone should do a blog focusing on his hackery.

    Build a community in 2007 to oust him in 2008.

    The blog and its community could push the establishment media to cover Graham more skeptically.

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    by Carl Nyberg on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 01:00:35 PM PDT

  •  Bush's refusal (7+ / 0-)

    I think Bush realizes that if this domino falls, they all fall.

    There's also likely alot of nasty shit that has yet to even surface. Really, truly despicable scandal to heap on. What lies ahead is even worse, and Bush knows this is his last legal stand.

  •  Froomkin has it backwards. (0+ / 0-)

    It's no secret in Washington that Gonzales is not an autonomous player. His entire career has been as an enabler of George Bush. He does what he's told

    To be a Bush enabler, you have to tell Bush what to do, not the other way around. The decider is a decideree. He's always been a Momma's boy; if he carried a big stick, he wouldn't need the bluster.

    •  but didn't do what he should have! (0+ / 0-)

      Bastard

      http://www.worldnetdaily.com/...

      This is just sick.
      We know this happens but when it is brought up before the law something should be done about it.

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      by TexMex on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 01:12:35 PM PDT

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      •  Why is he so stuck on Bush? (0+ / 0-)

        Was it because of his own poverty growing up?   One problem for some people is that they totally reject their cultural upbringing in order to advance themselves.  In the Mexican American culture, poor people having good manners and proper values is a sign of dignity in spite of a lack of money.  For others giving up family values is seen as the way to overcome the lack of money.  
        We don't forget being poor, but we are driven in different directions.  Some of us climb with the help of good people like teachers, some of us are bought.

        Gonzales es vendido.  Que verguenza!

        I will never forget.
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        posting my dairy that was inspired by Chuckles1

        Will John Edwards forget?

        Chuckles1
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        Will He forget?

        Fiddler on the Roof:
        It no great shame to be poor, but it's no great honor either.

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        by TexMex on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 01:52:38 PM PDT

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  •  Well like they say: a man is known by the company (0+ / 0-)

    he keeps! one creep will always support another!

    We as a nation need to decide when and where we part from their company!

    Some of our lawmakers have trouble making up their minds on this - and we need to then decide when we part company from them too!!

  •  Yes, the impeachment trail starts with G. (0+ / 0-)

    Also, that makes it impossible, in my opinion, for Bush to pardon Libby.

    The world dearly loves a cage.

    by epppie on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 01:01:20 PM PDT

    •  This president has (1+ / 0-)

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      no moral core -- he could still pardon Libby -- but now, Libby is inconsequential in the scheme of things.  The roof is not collapsing becuase of that termite -- but from terminal rot.

      My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total. Barbara Jordan 1974

      by gchaucer2 on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 01:34:19 PM PDT

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      •  I don't think Libby is inconsequential. (0+ / 0-)

        He's a key node in the web of lies.

        And I think impeaching Gonzales would prevent Bush from using his presidential pardon.  There are a number of bases for impeaching Gonzales and Libby could be a witness, I would think, which, as I read the Constitution, would disable the Presidential pardon for him.

        The world dearly loves a cage.

        by epppie on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 02:22:44 PM PDT

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  •  It always worries me (1+ / 0-)

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    when the media sets their sights on one member while ignoring everyone/thing else.

    There can be no doubt that Bert wasn't the only one working on this, as a matter of fact it's hard to argue that he did any of this without being told to do so, but if the media focuses on him then the real culprits will just fade out of public consciousness.

  •  Pardon me for repeating myself! (5+ / 0-)

     title=

    "Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran!" McCain doesn't need a presidency. He needs a Playstation.

    by The Gryffin on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 01:01:45 PM PDT

  •  Impeach someone, take your pick (1+ / 0-)

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    or the Dems are guilty of negligence too. Enablers of the first order.

  •  He's going to sink the whole ship (7+ / 0-)

    Gonzales is a second-rate mind who got where he is by the luck of Karl Rove's draw. He sounds like most people's idea of a sleazy lawyer, so they can't put him on teevee.  Rove's strategy has always been to hold the base -- now down to about 30 percent.  This works for some things, but it won't work here, because the middle are not indifferent to the impartiality of the justice system. The longer he hangs on, the more furniture he's going to take down with him.

    As to Bush, I think he will not hold up to the stress. Rove will; he's one tough nut to crack, but Bush's shell is thin.  He can't take 13 months of this kind of punishment.  It won't take much more than a couple of rockets smashing into the Embassy in Baghdad to do this administration in. When he retreats, it will be too late, very much like an earlier dictator whose name out of respect for Godwin's law must not be mentioned.

    •  Not "luck of the draw" (3+ / 0-)

      Gonzales got where his is by being fanatically loyal to W., as well as those who support him.  Bush has appointed him to five positions so far:

      General Counsel to Texas Governor: 1994
      Texas Secretary of State:  1997
      Texas Supreme Court: 1999
      White house counsel:  2001
      U.S. Attorney General:  2005

      I think the reason why Bush continually re-iterates his confidence in Gonzales is because he has to.  If he throws Gonzales under the bus, then the other people in the administration that have information on illegal (or at least questionable) dealings would start to feel vulnerable.  If they feel vulnerable, they might begin thinking about what would be best for themselves, and not for W.

      That's the problem with being a king, you have to keep your subjects happy and loyal.

  •  Reason for stonewalling (4+ / 0-)

    Bush, Rove et al really have no choice but to stonewall. This case, when unpacked, will reveal the utter corruption of the entire Bush presidency.

    It's fascinating to watch, that's for sure.

  •  George Bush is not going to lie down (6+ / 0-)

    He will have to be dragged from office, because he has a bizarro sense of entitlement.

    He is a sociopath.  He does not believe that he is wrong, and even if he thinks he is he wil have to be made to take the consequences for any wrongdoing.

    I recommend all House and Senate representatives read "The Sociopath Next Door" by Martha Stout

    •  Even if W stays until the end they will drag him (2+ / 0-)

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      out, Kicking and Screaming.  He will claim "Executive" Privledge even into the next Presidency.  Understand, Folks, No law of the US, even the Constitution, has to be followed by GWB.  He is the KING.  Just ask him.  (Snark)

  •  Lam was pulled off the case to protect VP (2+ / 0-)

    The Cunningham investigation was headed toward Dick Cheney.

    The obstruction of justice was perpetrated to protect Cheney.

    The impeachment will be able to sack both VP and POTUS.

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    by Carl Nyberg on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 01:03:47 PM PDT

  •  Third potential reason (2+ / 0-)

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    Replacing Gonzales will be a firefight.

    A pliable replacement won't get through the Senate.

    They may be afraid to use a recess appointment.

  •  In Bush's mind there has been no wrongdoing (6+ / 0-)

    I believe that Bush honestly believes that their whole conspiracy to convert the fleet of US Attorney's into GOP thugs is perfectly legit as the perogative of the party in power.

    In Bush's mind, no laws, no rules of decency or fair play, apply to him.  If he does it, it is therefore right.  Bush believes he has absolute power.

    That's why he is so resolute.  In his deluded little bully brain he thinks that the underlings are trying to deprive him of his divine right to rule without any check or limit on his power whatsoever, and that's making him angry!

    "They blamed it on the Islamic fanatics, at the time. [...] That was when they suspended the Constitution. They said it would be temporary."-Handmaid's Tale

    by JLFinch on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 01:06:14 PM PDT

    •  whatever the Dems do ... (0+ / 0-)

      ... they should (subtly) make sure to do it in a way that'll piss off Bush.  He looks even sillier when he's angry.  Sooner or later, he's going to lose it in public.  

      When that happens, he'll lose a fair chunk of what's left of the hard-core base, and the countdown will be on for a visit from a solemn and resolute group of Republican leaders.  (Although they'll have to somehow do an Agnew on Cheney first.)

      "All progress depends on the unreasonable man." -- George Bernard Shaw

      by Bearpaw on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 01:31:05 PM PDT

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    •  you're absolutely right,,, (0+ / 0-)

      remember, this is the guy whose fellow church members believe God MADE Bush president... and it would have happened regardless of the [popular] vote count...

      "In political discussion heat is in inverse proportion to knowledge." J. G. C. Minchin

      by LucyMO on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 02:05:54 PM PDT

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  •  Impeach and Convict. Reference (0+ / 0-)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/...

    Scroll down to United States.
    One cabinet member was impeached once.

    I have mixed feelings because impeachment and conviction removes a person from office so that no further harm can be done by them........but I also want to see Justice, as in crime and punishment. Not a future lined with cushy jobs at Conservative Think Tanks or industries.

    Best Diary of the Year? http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/23/03912/3990

    by LNK on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 01:08:57 PM PDT

    •  Obstruction of justice (0+ / 0-)

      is a crime for which he can be indicted after Impeachment.  Justice would have a lot of 'splaining to do if they refuse.  

      My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total. Barbara Jordan 1974

      by gchaucer2 on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 01:38:20 PM PDT

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  •  Weighting Factor (0+ / 0-)

    When it comes to calculations for how to do something in this administration, politics comes into it, surely, but also loyalty is a huge factor.  If you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours.

    It is this kind of thinking that has surrounded Bush with a legion of incapable, incompetent, and unconscious minions willing to do his bidding or Rove's bidding no matter the cost.

    It's not about an individual's career.  These asinine people know that they have cushy jobs waiting for them in the private sector for the highest bidder when they are done.  And if they happen to finish up before the President's term officially end (read here indictments or impeachment) that's just dandy too because they have served their higher purpose... the office of the President.

    In the end, this all boils down to the age old drug of power.  Bush & Co are willing to let it go.  And perceiving that they have omnipotent powers, they have been careless in covering their tracks.  Why worry about being caught when you have people in high places ready to help you.

    What we should be doing is giving them a good cold shower by shining the light of the Constitution on them.

    Nothing is more powerful than an idea whose time has come -- Victor Hugo

    by BasharH on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 01:10:06 PM PDT

  •  Frank Rich highlighted Sunday how long Abu (2+ / 0-)

    would survive.

    Via truthout

    "I'm not going to resign," Mr. Gonzales asserted last week as he played the minority card, rounding up Hispanic supporters to cheer his protestations of innocence. "I'm going to stay focused on protecting our kids." Actually, he's going to stay focused on protecting the president. Once he can no longer be useful in that role, it's a sure thing that like Scooter before him, Fredo will be tossed overboard.

  •  Where are Elliot Richardson (1+ / 0-)

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    And Walter Rucklehaus when you. Need them?

    That they are nowhere to be found illustrates why Bush is a worse president even than Tricky Dick -- he has not appointed a single person to high office capable of resigning over a matter of conscience.

    "Mom, did you hurt yourself, or are you yelling at the TV again?

    by litigatormom on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 01:13:33 PM PDT

  •  monica goodling's pleading the 5th!! (0+ / 0-)

    WAFUCINGHOO!  cnn just reported that that's what her lawyer says.  if she's called, she'll plead the 5th.

  •  Does impeachment (0+ / 0-)

    Give more weight to Congressional subpoenas? That is, would it be harder for the Whitehouse to credibly claim that his advisers (Rove, Meiers, etc) could not be subpoenaed to testify under oath if that testimony were to occur in an impeachment inquiry?

    A village in Texas is missing its idiot. Will they please come get him?

    by dotsright on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 01:16:16 PM PDT

  •  Monica Goodling to plea the 5th (1+ / 0-)

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    According to Wolf, Monica is going to plead the 5th if asked to testify by Congress, and she will. She was the point-girl to the WH in the purge execution. Interesting, wonder if Harriet Miers would do the same.

    Anyone knows who's Monica's lawyer?

  •  Chuck Hagel uses the 'I' word and (0+ / 0-)

    Monica Goodling, DOJ White House Liaison, takes the Fifth!  Boy, did we get out of bed on a good day!

    In youth we learn, in age we understand.

    by Jbeaudill on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 01:18:32 PM PDT

  •  BATNA: Democrats look it up (2+ / 0-)

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    It is critical in any negotiation to assess your adversary's BATNA, or Best Alternative To a Negotiated Agreement.

    Let's be blunt.  Aside from the really bad stuff that we already know about the Bushies, there is undoubtedly some really incriminating stuff still in the closet.

    So, we should assume that Bush, et al., are thinking that any any agreement with the Democrats, to either dump Gonzales or put his advisers under oath, MAY result in impeachment and criminal proceedings.

    OTOH, the Democrats have failed to expressly say that failure to comply will result in the impeachments of Gonzales, Rove, Miers, and Bush. At most, they have suggested that they would engage in an awkward, possibly fruitless court battle.

    As a rational actor, Bush would be nuts to comply.  His BATNA is a possible court battle over separation of powers.  Which option would you choose?

    In order to force Bush's hand, Democrats have to make impeachment hearings a sure thing.  Once Bush's BATNA becomes guaranteed impeachment, he will be more likely to comply with lesser demands for testimony and firings which will only create the possibility of impeachment.

  •  THIRD possibility (0+ / 0-)

    I think we have no idea how many crimes Bush has committed, but he does. And who knows best where the bodies are buried? AG, KR, and apparently HM.

  •  Forget mere impeachment (3+ / 0-)

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    Send him to jail.  Rove and Miers, too.

    18 U.S.C. § 1505:

    Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the United States, or the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress—
    Shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both.

    18 U.S.C. § 1512(c)(3):

    Whoever corruptly—
    (1) alters, destroys, mutilates, or conceals a record, document, or other object, or attempts to do so, with the intent to impair the object’s integrity or availability for use in an official proceeding; or
    (2) otherwise obstructs, influences, or impedes any official proceeding, or attempts to do so,
    shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.

    The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. --George Bernard Shaw

    by Categorically Imperative on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 01:26:07 PM PDT