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Bush Won't Veto Iraq Spending Bill w/poll

Tue Mar 27, 2007 at 08:55:29 AM PDT

We all rightfully applauded Nancy Pelosi's excellent leadership as she managed to get the Iraq supplemental spending bill passed including a binding timeline for the withdrawal of American troops.  Bush's rush to condemn this as "political theater" demonstrates how nervous the White House is about this.  Although they have issued what seem to be iron-clad veto threats, I think the reason they are so afraid is that if the Senate manages to pass similar legislation (and I think it is possible, the GOP can't fillibuster this), Bush will be forced to sign this bill.  Here is why:

As noted in EJ Dionne's column the passage of the legislation in the house, while facing an uncertain future, signals that the momentum has shifted against Bush.  Also, Bush's my-way-or-the-highway refusal to accept any limitations on his warmaking powers is putting congressional Republicans in a tough spot:

Oddly, the president's harsh rhetoric against the House version of the supplemental appropriations bill to finance the Iraq war may have been decisive in sealing Pelosi's victory. "The vehemence with which the president opposed it made it clear to a lot of people that this was a change in direction and that it was significant," said Rep. Chris Van Hollen (Md.), chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee

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Now, Van Hollen argues, Bush's "take-it-or-leave-it" approach to the bill is also "hurting the political standing of his Republican colleagues" in Congress by forcing them to back an open-ended commitment in Iraq at a time when their constituents are demanding a different approach.

As we alll know, 59% of Americans back the troop withdrawal deadline.

Bush has also set a drop dead date of April 15th, after which "our men and women in uniform will face significant disruptions."

How quickly the tables turn.  If the Senate passes a similar bill next week, with the easter recess coming up, a Bush veto will almost certainly mean that the April 15th deadline will not be met.  Thus you will have The President refusing to accept funding for his war because he refuses to accept conditions supported by a vast majority of Americans.

I suspect what Bush would do is sign the bill with some type of signing statement saying that the deadline is an unconstitutional infringement of his C in C powers and therfore he is not bound by it.  He'll figure once they've appropriated the money there's nothing else they can do and by the end of 2008 it'll be someone else's problem anyway.

So the Dems should go ahead, have the Senate bass a similar bill, call the president's bluff.  He'll blink.

Poll

Will the president veto an Iraq spending bill that includes a withdrawal deadline?

43%56 votes
10%14 votes
46%60 votes

| 130 votes | Vote | Results

Tags: Iraq, George W. Bush (all tags) :: Previous Tag Versions

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  •  This is not the place to draw a line in the sand (2+ / 0-)

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    sherlyle, duha

    and defend signing statements. Bush will just veto it outright knowing Congress will not override his veto.

    •  But Here's the problem. (3+ / 0-)

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      pdt, aludlam, manwithnoname

      Sure Congress wont override the veto, but Bush, in the end, wants his money.  It is not enough for Congress to sustain the veto, they have to act affirmatively to fund the war.  If Bush vetos he gets no bill, and no bill means no money.

      Resistance is NOT futile.

      by Dperl99 on Tue Mar 27, 2007 at 09:02:47 AM PDT

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  •  I'm sorry, but... (4+ / 0-)

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    Dania Audax, sherlyle, duha, donnamarie

    The argument is that Bush's political and public support has eroded, so therefore he will be forced to sign the bill instead of vetoing it?

    I really mean no disrespect by asking this, but when have things like public opinion or political influence ever held any away over the choices this president makes?

    The veto is already a foregone conclusion to many Republicans (as per this story).

    The tide has turned against Bush, that is certain enough. Even Novakula is saying he's never seen an American president so isolated from his own party and his own members of Congress. But this argument isn't enough to convince me that Bush won't do what he does best -- ignore everything and everybody and stick to the status quo.

  •  I don't know about that hypothesis (1+ / 0-)

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    droogie6655321

    It seems like you are considering Bush's actions to be that of a sane person.

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    by Skulnick on Tue Mar 27, 2007 at 09:00:13 AM PDT

  •  I voted yes because (1+ / 0-)

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    sherlyle

    the senate repubs are signaling that they will buck this to Bush and not try to block it in the senate.

    McConnell said, "we need to get this to a veto quickly."

  •  Bush doesn't have to veto it.... (3+ / 0-)

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    pdt, duha, aludlam

    I know many here are under the delusion that there was victory of sorts in the House. I disagree. It was a collapse of the anti-war movement and a betrayal by Democrats. They know that the "deadlines" and restrictions are simply a cynical ploy to make it LOOK like they are doing something while fully funding the war.

    The House Bill will be watered down (heck, even Webb doesn't believe in it) in the Senate and the House will be unable to make it stronger. So Bush gets his funding for BOTH the war AND the escalation, goals instead of deadlines, waivers and no restrictions on Iran.

    Why wouldn't he sign that? Plus, he's got the Supreme Court in his sights to strike down restriction on the C-in-Chief in a war. Progressives and those in the anti-war movement who supported this Bill and are buying into this process have been conned.

    You will see in a week or two.

    •  Indy, if that is the case, (0+ / 0-)

      then why did Bush make such a to-do about vetoeing this funding bill?

      Plus, the senate repubs are gonna pass this buck to Bush.

      I think that will force Bush to veto this bill; plus, Bush knows that tougher funding bills are coming, so he has to take a stand here.

      •  Momentary politics (0+ / 0-)

        It doesn't surprise me that Bush would show his vehement opposition to binding deadlines in a bill. Once the Senate version and conference versions come along, he can say something else.

        I don't think Bush would miss a chance to say he's prepared to veto a binding deadline, though.

        (I have some questions about what "binding deadline" means legally, but I won't get into that now.)

    •  Webb doesn't believe in it (0+ / 0-)

      because he doesn't believe in timetables.  Or, for that matter, defunding.  

      Assuming that the Democrats should have passed some sort of bill providing money for the troops in the field, what do you think that bill should have looked like, if not like this one?

      Their number is negligible and they are stupid. -- Eisenhower

      by Pegasus on Tue Mar 27, 2007 at 09:26:17 AM PDT

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  •  I suppose that Bush could think that (1+ / 0-)

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    sherlyle

    the deadline really gives him an out.  It frees him to do pretty much what he wants until then and if things don't work out by then, he can pull the troops and blame the Dems.  In his warped world he may see a way to salvage his legacy.  He can claim, "The Democrats made me do it."

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    by hestal on Tue Mar 27, 2007 at 09:14:30 AM PDT

  •  Agree with your conclusions, not premises (0+ / 0-)

    I agree with you that Bush will sign the bill if it gets to his desk, with or without a withdrawal deadline. Probably he will add a signing statement saying he intends to ignore the deadline.

    This however is not because of public opinion or political weakness. In fact, he still is in a position of political strength, assuming the bill makes it to his desk. Whatever gets him the money he wants is good for him, regardless of any strings attached. If he were politically weak, every bill allocating more money for the war would have died in the House and Senate.

    At this point Bush will simply run out the clock and leave the problems to the next president. That's the path of least resistance to him.

    Incidentally, the third question of your poll only makes sense if worded "No, but will attempt to nullify the deadline with a signing statement."

  •  Signing Statement all the way (0+ / 0-)

    That standard line in his signing statements...

    The executive branch shall implement these provisions in a manner consistent with the President's constitutional authority to supervise the unitary executive branch

    Has gotten him a lot of mileage.  He could use it to get his money and be in no more hot water than he currently is, in real terms.

    Though, if he wants to avoid drawing attention to the signing statement issue, I'd predict he vetoes and then tries to call an emergency session of Congress (can he do that?) to ram through an emergency supplemental bill.  

    I think it'll depend on what legal counsel suggests would be his culpability for failing to meet the timeline.  Realistically, by the time he fails to meet the timeline and has a "grace period" given to him by congress, he'll nearly be out of office.  So long as counsel is confident he can deflect criminal charges, it's signing statement all the way.

  •  Poll is contradictory (1+ / 0-)

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    dzhessi

    Will the president veto an Iraq spending bill that includes a withdrawal deadline?

    Yes. - Vetoed.

    No.  - Signed.

    Yes, but will attempt to nullify the deadline with a signing statement.  - Vetoed.

    Signing statements can only be attached to signed bills.  

    It should be:

    No, but will attempt to nullify the deadline with a signing statement.

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    by rick on Tue Mar 27, 2007 at 10:39:07 AM PDT

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