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Going Down with the Ship of State

Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 12:05:29 AM PDT

 There are two ways to influence decisions, right?  Besides giving advice...   The carrot and the stick.  Our government needs to use both here and abroad to further our goals and purposes.  The problem is that Bush and Cheney are currently wrecking our capabilities in both areas.  We have a budget and a military that are in a two-way stampede to being way, way waaaayyyyyy overextended.
  Before you wrinkle your brow and say, "Yeah, duh!" consider this: rather than collateral damage, this may be the intentional process of the Bush White House.  What, after all, would further the Neoconservative dream further than a broken, drifting Washington, DC in the midst of an increasingly hostile world... with the citizens willing to sign our tax paying souls over in blood to any major corporation willing to rake us over the coals.  We're all so on-the-ropes from the difficulties of the past 6 years it's been impossible to muster the focus to stop the hemmorhaging, especially since its principal architects are committed to it, with all the powers of the Executive Branch behind them.
  Forget drowning the government in the bathtub when they're done with it.  It'll probably commit suicide in its own tears.

  Speaking of drowning, remember Rush Limbaugh choking on his own vomit after the last election cycle?  It was quite instructive to see the most avid mouthpiece of the Republican agenda admit to the sheer mental fatigue caused by constantly swallowing and regurgitating the party line, like a macabre sideshow bulemic.  Most of the right-wing pundi-puppets don't quite know what to make of the "Full speed ahead" approach, so they've chained themselves to the mast and are shrieking shriller and shriller epithets at anyone who disagrees with them.  Remember the choruses of "we should have known betters" that followed the total absence of WMD's in Iraq?  Maybe the MSM isn't discussing the White House's obvious egregious abuses of power because they've been taught to sit on their hands like little schoolkids.  Not joining in the Hallelujia Chorus isn't journalism, it's perverse, almost laughable.
  As we lose the ability to run this country effectively, I believe we are heading into a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts.  The crises we face will justify further extension of our military, either in existing theaters or elsewhere, which will necessitate greater debt.  The obvious distaste of pursuing alternate diplomatic  solutions combined with the impenetrable revenue models the White House favors will inevitably reinforce this ball of tangled rhetoric as it mows its way through the nation's collective psyche.
  And I think that is what they really want.  Classic sleight of hand.  When the dust clears, we will have a new governmental model in place.  Taxes will come from the workers, who will support the upper class in their ivory towers as they run the country.  Those taxes will primarily flow to private companies contracted to do the government's business.  The military will continue on its path to becoming a hybrid/cyborg of DoD and mercenary forces.  And our citizens' belief in our government will have undergone a metamorphic process that is blending cynicism and distrust into our very fiber in a way Nixon couldn't even imagine.  
  Bush and Cheney and Co. have already shown that they have no intention of allowing anyone else help chart a course for our country.  Nor will they let anyone peek at their plans, or know who they talk to, or what they discuss, or even hang onto a shred of decency for being a lowly congressperson, reporter, or God help you, a citizen or resident.  Many wild rumors have swirled, alleging the White House has an apocalyptic agenda, or that it is merely the front for a bargain-basement corporate invitation-only clearing house.  If you merge the two concepts, the two blurry images slide together and form the clear picture of...  Piratical psychopaths who are steering this country on the rocks in order to throw the world's biggest salvage sale.  The Neocons don't like government.  They don't like large amounts of cash that they can't grab, they don't like people making important decisions that they can't countermand, they don't like resources they can't just walk right in and take, and they don't like answering to anybody, much less the great and varied community of American voters.  This government of ours is a strong and durable instrument crafted by generations of caring individuals for the benefit of all.  This administration wants to break open our society's strongest defenses, like pushing Humpty Dumpty off a wall, so all the king's horses and men can get down on their knees and suck up his life's blood.  Sounds gruesome, but with my semi-dangerous job, there's a little bit of my blood (and a lot of sweat) on the tax money I send to Washington each year.  And there are some who pay much more dearly.  Maybe the neoconservatives believe they can damage the astonishing instrument that guides and protects us just enough that it all won't come crashing down on all of us.  They may be right.  But it's a mighty dangerous game they're at.
  By the way, people have been fairly quick to grant Cheney fair reasons not to run for POTUS...  He's too Machiavellian, He has a bad heart... (in several ways), he never even intended to run for veep, he's too grim faced...
  Well maybe he'll just be done by 2008, and he can just sit back and enjoy the spoils of war.  He's an effective guy, do you think 8 years doesn't give him enough time?

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  •  Easy... (7+ / 0-)

      We're talking about Bush and Cheney and those at the top who are misdirecting this country, not the brave men and women who are setting aside their lives and going to bat for it...
      It looks like you're very upset over our involvement in Iraq, but I don't think attacking our soldiers will advance the dialogue in any way that will get us out any faster.  I looked up a few of your responses in other threads, so it's clear you feel very strongly about it.  But remember, a lot of these people joined after 9-11 because we had been attacked, and many may feel differently now, but they're not free to voice much dissent while still in uniform.  Deserting will only get them locked up, and most wouldn't dream of abandoning their fellow soldiers to the dangers they are facing.  They are real heroes, regardless of the justifiability of the policies that sent them there.
      Their voices will lend great perspective to our political spectrum in the decades to come as well...

    "In the immortal words of Jean Paul Sartre, 'Au revoir, gopher'. " -Bill Murray as Carl Spackler

    by jhop7 on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 12:36:56 AM PDT

    •  D'oh (4+ / 0-)

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      My kung fu must be weak again.

      The comment that you're referring to disappeared here. I can still see it being troll-rated in the hidden comments though.

      Suffice it to say the comment was extremely offensive, for those of you that also can't see it and may be wondering what jhop7's talking about in this comment.

      Sorry about the nasty opening comment, jhop7. Rock on, soul brother.

      Time flies, whether you're having fun or not.

      by Kimberley on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 12:44:41 AM PDT

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  •  Cheney doesn't want to be POTUS (4+ / 0-)

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    or VPOTUS...he wants to be Emperor.  He has no love for Democracy.

    Don't confuse this confusion with disorganization, because we're not that organized yet. -5.13/-3.38

    by Grannus on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 12:40:21 AM PDT

  •  Sigh (8+ / 0-)

     You post a diary, it's first comment is from out of bounds, you write a reply, and it's already troll-rated out of oblivion... what am I doing up at this hour anyway?

    "In the immortal words of Jean Paul Sartre, 'Au revoir, gopher'. " -Bill Murray as Carl Spackler

    by jhop7 on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 12:43:21 AM PDT

    •  You're joining the dKos (5+ / 0-)

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      Night Owl Brigade.  We are the night fighters of the Rabid Lamb Army.

      Don't confuse this confusion with disorganization, because we're not that organized yet. -5.13/-3.38

      by Grannus on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 12:51:53 AM PDT

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    •  take it all in stride my friend, all in stride (6+ / 0-)

      if we are here to make assclown comments disappear, we are also here reading your diary,  and helping make sure that it doesn't get derailed again by any other bozo.

      welcome to the night owl brigade.

      and hey!  grannus!!!

      rabid lamb?  i am far more partial to the ferocious crab nipples squadron.

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      it's their screen name because they couldn't figure out how to spell "moran."

      -9.75 (e), -7.18 (s)

      by dadanation on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 01:01:02 AM PDT

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      •  Thank you, I will (3+ / 0-)

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         But I don't think I'd like the initiation ceremony for your squad.  No offense meant...  How about the rarely assuaged livid llama battalion?

        "In the immortal words of Jean Paul Sartre, 'Au revoir, gopher'. " -Bill Murray as Carl Spackler

        by jhop7 on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 01:10:07 AM PDT

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      •  I was forced to leave the (2+ / 0-)

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        Crab Nipples Squadron.  Great people, but the claws on the nipples...ouchie.

        Don't confuse this confusion with disorganization, because we're not that organized yet. -5.13/-3.38

        by Grannus on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 01:24:24 AM PDT

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        •  an FYI from a member of the crab nipples squadron (1+ / 0-)

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          just remember, it's not the pinch in the claw but the claw in a pinch that makes the ferocious crab nipples squadron what we are today.

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          it's their screen name because they couldn't figure out how to spell "moran."

          -9.75 (e), -7.18 (s)

          by dadanation on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 01:49:59 AM PDT

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        •  grannus --- that was just one reason (3+ / 0-)

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          the hot cauldron of water and butter pats, the bibs, the corn on the cob and those oyster crackers did little to endear you to the group...

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          it's their screen name because they couldn't figure out how to spell "moran."

          -9.75 (e), -7.18 (s)

          by dadanation on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 01:51:27 AM PDT

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          •  I think I was pulling it off (3+ / 0-)

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            until I got caught with the nutcracker.  I didn't do well explaining that away.

            Don't confuse this confusion with disorganization, because we're not that organized yet. -5.13/-3.38

            by Grannus on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 01:58:51 AM PDT

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            •  it was a bit embarassing... (3+ / 0-)

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              you with half the officially retiring crab general hanging out of your mouth, a big pat of butter still on top of your slice of garlic bread and you muttering between chews "crab generals make great dinners" and all on video.  i could only plead ignorance for so long. you never told us what happened to the baker's dozen oyster princes that were sitting next to you,the ones on the half-shell.  how did they get kidnapped again? and why did the kidnappers leave a whole bowl of horseradish and lemon wedges next to their empty shells and throne?

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              it's their screen name because they couldn't figure out how to spell "moran."

              -9.75 (e), -7.18 (s)

              by dadanation on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 02:04:19 AM PDT

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              •  I have no specific (3+ / 0-)

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                recollection of the events to which you are refering.

                And he was retiring, as you say.

                Don't confuse this confusion with disorganization, because we're not that organized yet. -5.13/-3.38

                by Grannus on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 12:05:08 PM PDT

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                •  you guaranteed him a very early one at that. (0+ / 0-)

                  and what do you mean you have no recollection of te oyster princes? you were just on tv again about their disappearance two days ago.

                  did you

                  =gasp=

                  eat them too?

                  or actually,
                  eat them 13?

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                  it's their screen name because they couldn't figure out how to spell "moran."

                  -9.75 (e), -7.18 (s)

                  by dadanation on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 04:30:32 PM PDT

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                  •  I can neither confirm or deny (2+ / 0-)

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                    the existence of a bakers dozen of slippery sliders.  It was a prince of a meal though.

                    Don't confuse this confusion with disorganization, because we're not that organized yet. -5.13/-3.38

                    by Grannus on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 04:39:37 PM PDT

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                    •  what ever happened to that lesson we learned (1+ / 0-)

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                      in kindergarten, you know, the one that reminds us to SHARE?

                      i learned far more than i ever thought i'd ever need to know when in kindergarten, that's for sure.

                      but just yesterday,i discovered that a lesson i learned then but had forgotten would have saved me a lot of embarrassment .  how was i to remember that you should try to avoid wetting yourself when sitting amongst people you don't know, especially if you are on a roller coaster.  they do not take kindly to random drops of urine wetness showering  their ride on the snake of death 'coaster.  not one bit.

                      now that i have had the lesson reaffirmed in my adult life, i think that i will not foget it so quickly this time...
                      .

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                      it's their screen name because they couldn't figure out how to spell "moran."

                      -9.75 (e), -7.18 (s)

                      by dadanation on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 05:45:57 PM PDT

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                      •  I'll share (2+ / 0-)

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                        Rappeling out of helicopters australian style (face first), no problem.  Call an air strike 50 meters from your position, no problem.  Ride a roller coaster, no fucking way.  They scare the shit out of me.  I guess I'm too much a control freak.  Trust issues and all.

                        Don't confuse this confusion with disorganization, because we're not that organized yet. -5.13/-3.38

                        by Grannus on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 05:54:28 AM PDT

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                        •  How about (1+ / 0-)

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                          A giant crab-shaped roller coaster?  No wonder you don't sleep at night...

                          "In the immortal words of Jean Paul Sartre, 'Au revoir, gopher'. " -Bill Murray as Carl Spackler

                          by jhop7 on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 09:27:54 AM PDT

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                          •  so cool that we made TC. (1+ / 0-)

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                            but in doing so, i realize  have just dscussed incontinence , my own that is...

                            now i will know why no one sits near me at yKos...

                            woe is me...
                            :)

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                            it's their screen name because they couldn't figure out how to spell "moran."

                            -9.75 (e), -7.18 (s)

                            by dadanation on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 07:15:05 PM PDT

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                            •  Do I hear the clicking (1+ / 0-)

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                              of tiny crustaceans snapping claws like so many jazz-soaked beatniks?  

                              "In the immortal words of Jean Paul Sartre, 'Au revoir, gopher'. " -Bill Murray as Carl Spackler

                              by jhop7 on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 09:35:29 PM PDT

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                              •  as a matterof fact (1+ / 0-)

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                                we just ended our weekly meeting/mock training having inducted three new members in to the ferocious crab nipple squadron. every sunday, after these meetings, we like to jam, very free form, mostly jazz, sometimes a fugue or two and occasionally, we square dance.

                                what you may have heard was me and the regular rhythm section covering almost blue by elvis costello, perhaps?  or my sharonna by he knack (the crabs LOVE that song.  have no idea why, it makes them giddy)...

                                sorry for the bad reproduction here, but here is an old flier from one of our gigs, in desMoines i believe.  if you squint you can see me behind marvin (the fat one in the front) and timothy (the nice one towards the back , right there).

                                the clipping is about 3 years old and got wet when the crabs decided to tour down under.  i thought they meant australia -they meant down under water.

                                what a gig that was...

                                 title=

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                                it's their screen name because they couldn't figure out how to spell "moran."

                                -9.75 (e), -7.18 (s)

                                by dadanation on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 03:11:11 AM PDT

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            •  ahhhh, (2+ / 0-)

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              no escape claws?

              "In the immortal words of Jean Paul Sartre, 'Au revoir, gopher'. " -Bill Murray as Carl Spackler

              by jhop7 on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 05:21:12 PM PDT

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  •  I think Cheney is going to run (4+ / 0-)

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    I really do. This latest trip, with it's "excitement", planned or not, is proof enough to me that he is up for it.

    The other candidates are really plastic cut out jokes, and Cheney may be at 19%, but he's the real thing. They will just have to screw with the machines a bit more, or declare martial law.

    I think it's already a done deal. Democracy was good while it 'lasted'. It's over.

    And with that, I'm going to bed.

    McCain just flushed his own campaign by his appearance at the FBF on Aug 16th, 2008.

    by shpilk on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 12:52:21 AM PDT

    •  oh, all the diodes down my left side are (3+ / 0-)

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      killing me, but I even think there's a chance we won't even make it to 2008, anyway. I'd better get out of here before I really start channeling Marvin.

      When I get tired, I get really morose.

      G'night all!

      McCain just flushed his own campaign by his appearance at the FBF on Aug 16th, 2008.

      by shpilk on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 12:55:22 AM PDT

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      •  Does not compute... (1+ / 0-)

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         And I'd be channeling Marvin also if I thought Cheney were going to run.  Or maybe Kafka.  But the scary thing is, you may be right.  If he thinks all his ill-gotten gains might slip away.

        "In the immortal words of Jean Paul Sartre, 'Au revoir, gopher'. " -Bill Murray as Carl Spackler

        by jhop7 on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 01:04:46 AM PDT

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    •  I think (4+ / 0-)

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      Cheney will go underground like a Sleestack after Bush's term is over.

      As for America's liberal democracy... Don't make me pull a Scarlett O'Hara on you.

      G'night, shpilk.

      Time flies, whether you're having fun or not.

      by Kimberley on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 01:05:10 AM PDT

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    •  scary thing is i think you are right (2+ / 0-)

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      when i am at my most depressed about the state of the sate, i fear that you are right --> insofar as cheney just waiting it out to emerge from behind the garden wall and be the savior of the party after the beguiling romney etc feeding frenzy is all done and there is nothing but an opening wide enough for his ego and heart(less) body to step in and fill.

      i need a stronger dose of paxil.

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      it's their screen name because they couldn't figure out how to spell "moran."

      -9.75 (e), -7.18 (s)

      by dadanation on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 01:06:16 AM PDT

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    •  even Diebold couldn't deliver (0+ / 0-)

      a victory for Cheney. Even a fair number of wingnuts would choke on this, and nobody else would believe it. There would be entire cities full of people asking each other "did you vote for him?"

      More to the point, even the DOD denied that there was an assassination attempt.

      They didn't want to try selling the public on the peculiar notion that experienced guerilla fighters that they want us to consider a threat can't get mortar rounds closer than 1/2 mile from their target.

      Judging from one of the Dkos diaries that got posted about the incident, I think they were unduly pessimistic about public credulity.  

      Looking for intelligent energy policy alternatives? Try here.

      by alizard on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 02:50:13 AM PDT

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  •  Holy crap! (2+ / 0-)

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      I wasn't planning on inspiring a thread that would send everyone off to bed sad and depressed.  But this is politics in the age of Bush.  Ach, ja.

    "In the immortal words of Jean Paul Sartre, 'Au revoir, gopher'. " -Bill Murray as Carl Spackler

    by jhop7 on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 01:13:16 AM PDT

    •  no more depressed now than i was earlier (2+ / 0-)

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      btw, for such a high UID, you have a prolific diary. you make some of the zombie/sock puppet/troll seem so small in comparison.

      that's pretty amazing, given your stated long work hours etc.

      hang in there man. please do.  we need folks like you a lot. well, speaking for myself, i do.

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      it's their screen name because they couldn't figure out how to spell "moran."

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      by dadanation on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 02:23:36 AM PDT

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      •  A Simple Point about Dick Cheney (2+ / 0-)

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        Princeton Professor Harry Frankfort has nailed the Bush/Cheney modus operandi down perfectly in his book On Bullshit:

        Both in lying and in telling the truth people are guided by their beliefs concerning the way things are. These guide them as they endeavor either to describe the world correctly or to describe it deceitfully. For this reason, telling lies does not tend to unfit a person for telling the truth in the same way that bullshitting tends to. ...The bullshitter ignores these demands altogether. He does not reject the authority of the truth, as the liar does, and oppose himself to it. He pays no attention to it at all. By virtue of this, bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are.

        Dick Cheney should have been held accountable for his equivocations and misrpresentations of the truth, a long time ago.

        As Stanford University fellow Graham Larkin put it in his critique of the Horowitzian method of analysis used by the GOP:

        The only honorable way to combat bullshit is by fully repudiating it's entire modus operandi by exposing it's techniques, ranging from cooked statistics, race-baiting and guilt by association to editorial foul play and baffling logorrhea. Refuting bullshit is not simply a matter of observing the tide and eddies in an unending stream of bullshit. It also means trawling through that same discharge in order to extract any number of dangerous lies.

        Jesus Saves, but Beckham scores on the rebound!

        by Mr Populist on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 06:37:16 AM PDT

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        •  cheney bested nixon by virtue of power amassed (1+ / 0-)

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          while nixon's reign as almost-king richard 1 of the U.S. fell short -- by threat of impeachment etc., it is somewhat ironic that cheney, a devotee, participant, member of the nixonian entourage would actually best his leader, role model, ally.

          to have usurped so much power so silently and to then trample the constitution so flagrantly belies not the actions of a mad man, but the actions of a man mad at the world for the power and privilege he has yet to accumulate.

          such a blemish on our nation, such a sad, enervating, vile, hubris-laced, arrogant, conniving, strategic and ultimately pathetic political creature he is.

          all dogs have their day i am sure.  the trouble is that when he has his day, how much of his damage done is (or will be) immutable?

          pictures say it better for me, and this shot of cheney says it all:

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          at the commemoration of the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz. he could not even be bothered with appropriate dress.  because he is who he is.  

          like stanley kowalski, just a brilliant, savage brute.

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          it's their screen name because they couldn't figure out how to spell "moran."

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          by dadanation on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 07:00:42 AM PDT

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          •  Nice parka! (2+ / 0-)

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            I wonder if he got it at Wal-Mart.

            Jesus Saves, but Beckham scores on the rebound!

            by Mr Populist on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 07:21:00 AM PDT

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            •  he made mary buy it (1+ / 0-)

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              it is how he puts the digs to her every day, by embarrassing her -- like shopping at wal-mart, returning his drive-through burgers back to burger king, asking if the tampons come in bulk, etc.

              he must really twist those women something awful. he has no sons, right?

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              it's their screen name because they couldn't figure out how to spell "moran."

              -9.75 (e), -7.18 (s)

              by dadanation on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 04:33:09 PM PDT

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      •  thanks, mucho appreciato (0+ / 0-)

          i plan on sticking.  This place is a magnet for amazing and talented people.  And I do work too much- sole proprietor of a small business, small child, house to tend to... but I must write.  I aspire to write with the incredible depth, clarity, and research skills so many here freely share.

        "In the immortal words of Jean Paul Sartre, 'Au revoir, gopher'. " -Bill Murray as Carl Spackler

        by jhop7 on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 05:27:32 PM PDT

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  •  U.S. in decline, what will you do when it falls (1+ / 0-)

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    America will fall, like every empire that has gone before it. Nothing last forever. Americans, like all imperial citizens think it will never end, but history is littered with fallen empires.

    Personally, I think the zenith of America was the FDR presidency. The decline began with Reagan, the fall with GW Bush.

    This is why I left the country last year. What will you do when the house of cards collapses? How will Americans react if food is hard to get and basic services begin to fail? Ever see "The Grapes of Wrath"? It won't be pretty.

    •  I think a lot of people (1+ / 0-)

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      were contemplating the expatriate route.  Trying to maintain a sense of politcal reality was like being held under by the force of an enormous waterfall.  Talk about a sense of desperate fatalism.  The fall... with Bush...  Absolutely.  I think it was when public discourse slipped from uncomfortable to impossible.

      "In the immortal words of Jean Paul Sartre, 'Au revoir, gopher'. " -Bill Murray as Carl Spackler

      by jhop7 on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 05:47:38 PM PDT

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