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On King Abdullah's speech and open discussion

Wed Mar 07, 2007 at 01:11:02 PM PDT

Today's speech by King Abdullah II of Jordan in a joint session of Congress once more brought to light the difficulty of the role of the United States in the most important issue that stands in the way of stability in the Middle East: the Israel-Palestine situation.

While the speech highlighted some truths of the Middle East situation, it was the reactions to it that show that things are unlikely to change anytime soon. A major problem is a lack of open and frank discussion of the Israel-Palestine situation in Congress.

First, let's look at the speech itself. It is a plea for the United States government to become more involved in the peace process. The Bush administration was basically only involved for a while in the run-up to the Afghanistan invasion, but then completely dropped the ball on both Afghanistan and the Israel-Palestine situation to focus on Iraq.

King Abdullah said:

Thirteen years later, that work [the peace process] is still not completed. And until it is, we are all at risk. We are all at risk of being victims of further violence resulting from ideologies of terror and hatred. It is our greatest and most urgent duty to prevent such dangers to our region, to your country and to the world. The choice is ours: an open world full of promise, progress and justice for all; or a closed world of divided peoples, fear, and unfulfilled dreams. Nothing impacts this choice more than the future of peace in the Middle East.

I come to you today at a rare, and indeed historic, moment of opportunity, when there is a new international will to end the catastrophe. And I believe that America, with its enduring values, its moral responsibility, and yes, its unprecedented power, must play the central role.

Some may say, ‘Peace is difficult, we can live with the status quo.’ But, my friends, violent killings are taking place as part of this status quo. Palestinians and Israelis are not the only victims. We saw the violence ricochet into destruction in Lebanon last summer. And people around the world have been the victims of terrorists and extremists, who use the grievances of this conflict to legitimize and encourage acts of violence. Americans and Jordanians and others have suffered and survived terrorist attacks. In this room, there are representatives of American families and Jordanian families who have lost loved ones. Thousands of people have paid the highest price, the loss of their life. Thousands more continue to pay this terrible price, for their loved ones will never return. Are we going to let these thousands of lives be taken in vain? Has it become acceptable to lose that most basic of human rights? The right to live?

He is absolutely right. This is the basic, defining issue of the Middle East. Solving it would go a long, long way towards taking the wind out of the sails of extremist Islamic organizations.

But, were these true words good enough for those who were listening? Sadly, no. In the all too predictable pattern, Democrats fell over eachother to denounce the speech (yes, Fox News link, but I have no reason to doubt the quotes):

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer said he was "disappointed" in the king for not mentioning the "principle undermining factor in getting to peace," namely, Palestinian terrorist organizations, as well as Hezbollah and Al Qaeda.

"He should've talked about Hamas. ... This is a forum in which he could have done that usefully," said Hoyer, D-Md.

"Profoundly disappointing … a missed opportunity," Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Tom Lantos, D-Calif., said of the speech.

I know that Hamas is an organization that is to be condemned. But why the kneejerk reactions just because this speech didn't include an explicit denouncement of Hamas? It also didn't include an explicit denouncement of Israeli settlements, or the wall along the border (no, I am not comparing those with Hamas). My point is,  it did not denounce any specific action by either side. And that makes the entire speech worthless?

This is one of the more serious problems. The United States government is probably the only entity that has leverage on the Israeli government. On the other side, moderate Arab forces can provide pressure. But, that leverage that the US has, has not been used recently. One of the reasons is that a frank, open discussion of the Israeli-Palestine situation seems to be very hard in Congress. Representatives almost try to outdo eachother with statements of unqualified support for Israel. So much so, that it doesn't seem natural.

As we can see on DailyKos, there is a wide range of opinions on this matter. Why are the sounds from the major players in Congress so one-sided? I remember the time that Howard Dean dared to use the word "even-handed" when referring to the Israel-Palestine situation. Congressional Democratic leaders lined up to bash him for it. And last summer, noone even dared to sound a critical note about the Israeli government's actions in Lebanon, while other governments around the world expressed concern about the intensity and scale of Israel's reaction, and the number of civilian casualties. And yes, of course, the other side has a whole lot to be criticized for, too, to put it midly. But the fact that I have to anticipate this and put that disclaimer in there, shows that open discussion is very hard.

The lack of open discussion, especially in Congress, the legislative body of the only country that has leverage on one side of the issue, is a very serious obstacle to peace in the Middle East.

To quote King Abdullah:

We can wait no longer and that is why I am here before you. We must work together to restore Palestine, a nation in despair and without hope. We must work together to restore peace, hope and opportunity to the Palestinian people. And in so doing, we will begin a process of building peace, not only throughout the region, but throughout the world. How much more bloodshed and how many more lives will it cost for this grave situation to be resolved?

I say: No more bloodshed and no more lives pointlessly taken!

The young boy, traveling to school with his brother in Palestine, let him have a life of peace.

The mother, watching with fear as her children board a bus in Israel, let her have a life of peace.

The father in Lebanon, working hard to provide an education for his children, let him have a life of peace.

The little girl, born in Iraq, with her wide eyes full of wonder, let her have a life of peace.

The family, together eating their evening meal, in Asia, Africa, North America, South America, Europe, Australia, and the Middle East, let them all have a life of peace.

Today my friends, we must speak; we cannot be silent.

The next time a Jordanian, a Palestinian, or an Israeli comes before you, let it be to say: Thank you for helping peace become a reality.

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  •  Carter Got Creamed (16+ / 0-)

    Saying much the same thing.  Yes his book had a provocative title, but the ideas were reasonable.  We are repeating the same actions and expecting a different outcome.  What does that define again?

  •  One of the problems with having such a control- (3+ / 0-)

    obsessed administration (quite apart from the rampant incompetence) is that it can only keep one top spinning at a time.

    The world dearly loves a cage.

    by epppie on Wed Mar 07, 2007 at 01:19:07 PM PDT

  •  The Israel/Palestine stalemate is (8+ / 0-)

    the third rail of democratic discourse. We have got to change that attitude.

  •  I saw it & thought... (7+ / 0-)

    it was a great speach. I bit of lala Land...I think he forgot that Bush is still in charge of our foreign policy.

    He was wonderfully optimistic...and asking for our help, to through another Camp David.

    I wish, I could have counted the amount of times he pleaded for Peace. Must have been over a dozen.

    Great thoughts, no blame...wrong administration, wrong time.
    So depressing...

  •  Commenting on my own diary entry.. (13+ / 0-)

    Oh, why not..

    The thing that strikes me most about the reactions (especially on the side of the Democratic representatives), is that they seem very kneejerk and almost frantic to release pro-Israel statements. I know that there are representatives who firmly come down on the side of Israel, and have their reasons. That's fine. But the diversity of opinions that can be seen on forums like dKos just isn't reflected in Congress on this. Congresspeople act like in election time, feverishly re-affirming their solidly, unqualified pro-Israel stance.

    This is wrong. At the very least, if you feel like you must include a denouncement of Hamas, say something like "While I feel that the violent actions of organizations such as Hamas were ignored in this speech, I appreciate the King's call for action towards peace, and hope that the United States can play an active role in that process".

    Now what's wrong with that?

    It makes me feel desperate to see the same old kneejerking and going around in circles everywhere.

    Presidential politics is like jumping into raw sewage with your mouth open -- Batfish

    by Frank on Wed Mar 07, 2007 at 01:38:34 PM PDT

    •  The terrorism rhetoric (5+ / 0-)

      ...is exceedingly unhelpful in trying to forge a political resolution.  I cringe everytime a Democratic politician tries to label everyone with the slightest connection to Hamas as a "terrorist" who needs to be marginalized.  That seems a guaranteed strategy to prevent political transition in Hamas (or Hizbullah for that matter).  Both political movements were starting to make the transition to political parties before stupidity and overreaction on the part of Israel and the US re-radicalized them and increased their popularity exponentially among those who have given up hope on any rational peace process.  
       

      God, who gave man scabies, also gave him hands to scratch them.

      by ivorybill on Wed Mar 07, 2007 at 02:15:13 PM PDT

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      •  My husband bears the scars of Hamas (2+ / 0-)

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        It's not just rhetoric.

        How did I live without him?

        by Pumpkinlove on Wed Mar 07, 2007 at 02:30:26 PM PDT

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        •  Agreed, and sorry for your husband (1+ / 0-)

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          The specific authors of terrorist acts, Palestinian or Israeli, should be prosecuted.  I'm just saying that when movements like Hamas have legitimacy among a considerable section of a population, it is a mistake to freeze them out of negotiations or ignore the underlying reasons for their support and legitimacy.  Hamas is a little like the PKK in Turkey - it is impossible to delegitimize or prosecute every PKK sympathizer because you would have to criminalize half of SE Turkey.  Turkey, of course, tries to do this - but ultimately without much success.  Better to avoid applying the terrorist label to such a broad group of people, but use it instead against specific individuals and specific crimes.  If a Kurdish separatist member of PKK burns down a house with people in it, then he is a terrorist and he should be prosecuted for murder.

          God, who gave man scabies, also gave him hands to scratch them.

          by ivorybill on Wed Mar 07, 2007 at 03:26:33 PM PDT

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      •  especially so... (4+ / 0-)

        ...when they do not comment on the acts of terrorism performed daily by the israeli occupation forces, most recently documented in two fine diaries on the nablus invasion by an eye-witness to the carnage, jon, here and here.

        not a single democratic leader speaking on behalf of israel, dared to condemn the atrocities that are commonplace in the occupied territories.

    •  I appreciate the King's call for action towards (2+ / 0-)

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      peace and hope that the United Stats can play an active role in that process but we cannot ignore the horrorific actions of Hamas and others terrorist groups.  

      How did I live without him?

      by Pumpkinlove on Wed Mar 07, 2007 at 02:26:27 PM PDT

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  •  from that article (8+ / 0-)

    At the end of the speech when the king offered a traditional Arabic greeting for peace, Ellison vocally responded in kind. He was the only attendee to do so and gave an embarrassed laugh as people turned to look at him.

    How sad. What's happened to us?

    Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson

    by bumblebums on Wed Mar 07, 2007 at 01:40:41 PM PDT

  •  Two ways to look at it... (2+ / 0-)

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    One is this:

    Representatives almost try to outdo each other with statements of unqualified support for Israel. So much so, that it doesn't seem natural.

    Even this will be railed against as A/S.

    On the other hand, does not DailyKos act in exactly the same way as the Israeli lobby when it threatens advertisers on anncoulter.com?

    It looks like vigorous debate being efficiently implemented by the Israeli lobby, using public opinion and financial pressure.

    Think of Israel as a big corporation: Israel, LTD.

    We allow bribes of our legislators, so why shouldn't Israel, which has legitimate concerns for its survival, use any means at hand to influence the most powerful player in the world?

    We could make it illegal to bribe legislators, but we can't make it illegal to publicize one's position, and recommend that people vote for legislators that will implement it.

    Democracy is the marketplace of ideas.

    Democracy is not bribing legislators.

    I hope I successfully confused everyone about my positions on I/P.

  •  hoyer lantos and pelosi (0+ / 0-)

    ...you cannot find three more vehement israeli apologists in congress---unless you pick the woman with the hyphenated name from florida.

    of course they are going to denounce any speech, unless the speaker is on his or her knees and praising israel...

    •  Lantos (2+ / 0-)

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      I don't care what you say about the others, but lay off Lantos.  The man is pro-gay marriage, pro-choice, pro-gun control, survived the Holocaust, AND fought the Nazis.

      Jon the Antizionist Jew may have spent time helping out Palestinians, and I may have cleaned up Cafe Hillel after it was blown up, but, IMHO, those actions pale in comparison to the life of Congressman Lantos.

      If he can be everything a liberal should be, but gets lambasted because he's a strong supporter of Israel, then I no longer know what the Democratic party stands for.

      •  i have no complaints... (3+ / 0-)

        ...about his liberlism, and even shook his hand at the amtrak station in nyc after the republican protests in 2004...

        i was explaining that he is an israeli apologist, and, i don't think even he would deny it.  it is nothing to be ashamed of, and, it is not shaming him to state it.

        his floor remarks when the anti-palestinian legislation passed this past december were not exactly what i would have said, but, no one is stopping him from saying them.

  •  Hamas wants peace. Time for dems to quit kissing (5+ / 0-)

    the AIPAC Ring.

    Hamas makes truce overture to Israel
    JERUSALEM, March 7 (UPI) -- The Palestinian Hamas group is willing to offer Israel a cease-fire if Israel helps lift an international boycott on the Palestinian Authority, Haaretz reports.

    An unidentified source told the newspaper if Israel will lobby internationally for a lifting of a financial aid embargo, the Palestinians "will offer a promise from Hamas and Fatah of a total cease-fire with Israel, including a complete halt to (rocket) fire and suicide bombings."

    The blockade went into place 14 months ago when Hamas, deemed by many countries to be a terror organization, won a surprise parliamentary majority.
    http://www.upi.com/...

    According to statistics, Palestinians have become the largest recipients per capita of charitable assistance in the world despite the fact that since the "boycott," the international community’s aid provided to non- governmental organizations and other groups that look after Palestinians increased than it used to when the money was sent through the Palestinian Authority.

    A long-term boycott of aid seems out of the question: Europe has been pointing fingers at Israel for more than a year now, blaming it for the worsening living conditions and the surging poverty in the Palestinian territories, which as described by EU officials, amount to a "humanitarian disaster."

    But recently, it’s been revealed that American and Israeli lawyers are preparing to launch a legal suit against the Jordan-based Arab Bank.
    Jordan-based Arab Bank is now beginning to feel the heat in the U.S. over what Washington claims is its ties to Palestinian terrorist organizations, reported the Los Angeles Times.
    http://www.aljazeera.com/...

    Will the elite be happy living behind gated communities in the potential meltdown? Peace now. -7.00, -2.92

    by mattes on Wed Mar 07, 2007 at 02:06:22 PM PDT

    •  They promise only to stop Hamas and Fatah (1+ / 0-)

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      from commiting terrorism.

      Says nothing about Al Aqsa or any of the other ones.

      How did I live without him?

      by Pumpkinlove on Wed Mar 07, 2007 at 02:28:42 PM PDT

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      •  What will it cost to let them try? (4+ / 0-)

        They said they would stop the rockets.

        Will the elite be happy living behind gated communities in the potential meltdown? Peace now. -7.00, -2.92

        by mattes on Wed Mar 07, 2007 at 02:38:35 PM PDT

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        •  They said they would stop THEIR rockets (3+ / 0-)

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          and are still refusing to recognize Israel.

          Why can't they just recognize Israel?

          How did I live without him?

          by Pumpkinlove on Wed Mar 07, 2007 at 02:42:33 PM PDT

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          •  All of arab world ready to recognize (3+ / 0-)

            Israel...that's what is on the table.

            Will the elite be happy living behind gated communities in the potential meltdown? Peace now. -7.00, -2.92

            by mattes on Wed Mar 07, 2007 at 02:53:16 PM PDT

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          •  Probably for similar reasons why (2+ / 0-)

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            the IRA in No. Ireland won't accept England ruling them. They do not believe the other has a right to the land. However, even without the recognition, there is now peace and a major vote going on there today. The incessant demand to "recognize Israel" gets to be like a bully holding the other guy down and shouting "Say uncle" over and over and over again, but it gets us nowhere in the peace process. Nowhere.

            The Justice Department is no longer a credible defender of the rule of law or the Constitution.

            by Overseas on Wed Mar 07, 2007 at 03:16:08 PM PDT

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            •  This isn't about Israel ruling Palestine (1+ / 0-)

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              it's about Palestinians recognizing Israel.

              How did I live without him?

              by Pumpkinlove on Wed Mar 07, 2007 at 03:19:31 PM PDT

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              •  I listened to Abdullah's speech today (2+ / 0-)

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                It frightened me. No, it scared the shite out of me! He said this conflict had to be settled "this year". I think he knows what he is talking about. Israel can sit there and demand recognition all it wants while the whole Middle East blows up and the terrorism explodes all over the world. Thank you State of Israel, you were a big help. You think innocent Israeli's won't die when it happens? Hang in there and demand that recognition. What's it worth when the bombs start exploding?

                The Justice Department is no longer a credible defender of the rule of law or the Constitution.

                by Overseas on Wed Mar 07, 2007 at 03:32:58 PM PDT

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                •  One could just as easily blame Palestinians (1+ / 0-)

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                  why do you only blame Israel?

                  Israel has shown they can and will make peace... Palestinians have yet to do so.

                  How did I live without him?

                  by Pumpkinlove on Wed Mar 07, 2007 at 04:09:39 PM PDT

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                  •  I blame Palestine for terrorism (0+ / 0-)

                    but I blame Israel for inciting that terrorism. Both are hideous.
                    The Jerusalem Post had an interesting article reporting on a survey recently taken in 27 countries.

                    A Foreign Ministry official on Wednesday characterized as "troubling" a BBC survey released earlier this week that ranked Israel alongside Iran and the United States as the countries with the most negative images in the world.

                    The survey asked more than 28,000 people in 27 countries to rate 12 nations - Britain, Canada, China, France, India, Iran, Israel, Japan, North Korea, Russia, the US and Venezuela - as having a positive or negative influence on the world. Fifty-six percent of the respondents view Israel negatively while 17% gave positive evaluations.

                    Iran followed closely behind Israel with 54% negative evaluations and 18% positive. The US came next with 51% negative and 30% positive. Fourth from the bottom was North Korea, which had a 49% negative rating.

                    Israel responded that the survey was unfair and explained, and then said that they had a survey with very different results, but stated nothing about theirs.

                    I doubt anyone would contest that Iran and No. Korea's results are correct. And the image of the US is on target, too. So why would the results for Israel be so distorted compared to the others?
                    I find the title to the article interesting:  "BBC image survey is troubling, but 'not serious'."
                    This is similar to saying
                    Iran getting nuclear weapons is troubling but not serious
                    or, Bush lying us into the Iraq war is troubling but not serious
                    or, Libby obstructing justice is troubling, but not serious.

                    I am sorry Pumpkinlove, but the world does not see the actions of the Israeli government as troubling but not serious. The world is condeming the Israeli government's deeds. I, who was once a staunch supporter of Israel, now find myself no longer that. I think the survey is correctly reflecting opinion.
                    Also from the article:

                    "It's our job to overcome stereotypes about Israel and to combat the misperceptions," said the official, who asked not to be identified. "Both Israel and the United States are higher than 50% [condemnation], so in many ways, we're in good company."

                    As long as the government continues to think in that way, the percentage will go even higher. Israel is far down the wrong road here, and from all evidence seems to want to go further down that road and become even more disliked. So be it.

                    The Justice Department is no longer a credible defender of the rule of law or the Constitution.

                    by Overseas on Thu Mar 08, 2007 at 02:32:24 AM PDT

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        •  a cease fire? (1+ / 0-)

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          what does that mean....nothing, given their record of broken cease fires with Fatah.

          how about a permanent peace offer?

          Even The Best Drummers Get Hungry

          by Keith Moon on Wed Mar 07, 2007 at 02:46:58 PM PDT

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  •  No one here is opposed to peace. (1+ / 0-)

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    But the terrorism has to end.

    Hamas just offered a full truce if Israel will help end the boycott of the PA.  The problem with this is that they are not going to recognize Israel and they are only promising that Hamas and Fatah will stop the bombing and the rockets.  That means that even if Israel helps.. the other terrorist groups (including groups like Al Aqsa which are linked to Hamas and Fatah) are free to continue.

    How did I live without him?

    by Pumpkinlove on Wed Mar 07, 2007 at 02:22:29 PM PDT

  •  hoyer is wrong... (4+ / 0-)

    ...about al qaeda.

    al qaeda has never placed a single finger in israel; no attacks...  but, he uses the name to suggest that hamas is the same as al qaeda.

    standard aipac talking point error.  but, it help hoyer's cause if he can conflate the two, naturally.

    he assumes that the american public is as ignorant as he is, while at the same time, lessens the truth of the king's words today.  truly disgusting tactic.

    but, it is expected from him.  this from a press release when the fbi seized aipac computers in 2004---the fifth year of the still ongoing fbi investigation into aipac from a press release

    The House Democratic Whip, Steny Hoyer (D-Maryland) also expressed confidence in AIPAC. "I have worked with AIPAC for many years. They are a very successful, strong, and committed organization and do a tremendous job advocating for the important US-Israel relationship."

  •  The problem with the king's comments (3+ / 0-)

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    is that NOONE was a fiercer opponent over the last 4 decades of the fundamentalist terrorists than the King's father, and rightly so.  He understood their true impact on regional and world peace.  

    Does everyone forget why the terrorists used the phrase "Black September" back in the 70's.  I'll give you a hint.  It had nothin' to do with Israel.

    This would have been a great stage for the King to reiterate his strong stance against terrorists, and Hamas and Hizbullah in particular.

    •  Has Hamas changed their (1+ / 0-)

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      charter? (including these choice quotes):

      The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.

      The Islamic Resistance Movement is one of the links in the chain of the struggle against the Zionist invaders. It goes back to 1939, to the emergence of the martyr Izz al-Din al Kissam and his brethren the fighters, members of Moslem Brotherhood. It goes on to reach out and become one with another chain that includes the struggle of the Palestinians and Moslem Brotherhood in the 1948 war and the Jihad operations of the Moslem Brotherhood in 1968 and after.

      The Zionist Nazi activities against our people will not last for long. "For the state of injustice lasts but one day, while the state of justice lasts till Doomsday."

      And so on...

      If they've changed their charter, I have yet to see it.  Until then, I think we should take them at their written word.

      Have you read about the Kurds and the Zoroastrians yet?

      by jhritz on Wed Mar 07, 2007 at 04:22:05 PM PDT

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    •  And? (0+ / 0-)

      We all know what kind of organization Hamas is.

      Does that mean that every single speech calling for peace must contain an explicit condemnation of them, even though it does not go into specific actions and/or organizations otherwise?

      There is enough condemnation of Hamas' actions all around (as there should be), but to insist that a speech is bad simply because it explicitly failed to include this condemnation is not constructive.

      Presidential politics is like jumping into raw sewage with your mouth open -- Batfish

      by Frank on Thu Mar 08, 2007 at 02:32:29 AM PDT

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  •  from your own words ... (0+ / 0-)

    you are not able to criticize Israel without saying Palestine is also doing some bad, but you are able to say Palestine is doing bad without having to clarify Israel in the same sentence. Maybe this timidity is only represented nationally.

    there is nothing wrong with it. U.S supports Israel and  should not be coy about it. It would not mind if Palestine vanished tomorrow and that would be supported by a majority of the public here.

    reality has a well-known liberal bias.

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