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STORYTIME PRESENTS: A Civil Rights Pilgrimage

Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 06:28:51 PM PDT

Good Evening STORYTIME fans!  Tonight I have the great pleasure of introducing a story written by kainah for the second outing of the new series known as STORYTIME PRESENTS.

kainah is a wonderful writer of long-time Daily Kos status.  I became aware of her last spring when I read her brilliant and compelling series on Kent State. Tonight she takes you on another journey of historical significance in Part One of her series.

In honor of Bloody Sunday, let's talk about civil rights. We give it much less notice than Vietnam, usually, but I suspect it profoundly shaped many of us. In September 1957, I started kindergarten, my grandmother bought us our first television and the fight to integrate Little Rock's Central High erupted. Since I loved school, I couldn’t imagine people needing soldiers to gain entry. When my mother couldn’t explain why -- my favorite question, then and now -- I became irrevocably hooked on TV news.

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One of the many wonderful murals in Selma, Alabama

I watched enthralled as heroic stories and searing images poured out of the South via our amazing new TV. The Montgomery bus boycott, the Greensboro sit-ins, the haunting image of Emmett Till, the firebombed buses of freedom riders, the search for civil rights workers in Mississippi, the Birmingham church bombing, Bull Connor’s dogs in the park, the beatings on the Edmund Pettus Bridge, firehoses turned on children (where?), and riots everywhere. Today, I often wonder whether young people really understand how recently all this happened and the effect it had on us aging hippies.

By the time I was a young teenager, I had seen a very seamy side of America with people, often young people, placing their lives on the line, literally, for the right to buy a sandwich -- forget voting. That changed me and, as a result, these days I'd rather make a pilgrimage to honor heroes than take your typical vacation. And so, in December 2002, my husband and I took our first ever trip to the deep South, to celebrate our 30th anniversary and to pay homage to those who inspire us. With more places to visit than time, I used a great book entitled Weary Feet, Rested Souls by Townsend Davis, complete with photos, maps, directions, and related history, to help me plan a route north and west from Pensacola Beach to Selma, Alabama and Philadelphia, Mississippi, and back again, catching related sites en route.

First stop:  Hayneville, Lowndes County, Alabama, birthplace of the Black Panther. Not the party, just the symbol, adopted in 1966 by the Lowndes County Freedom Organization (LCFO), organized to help elect blacks. Their pouncing black panther symbolized their intent to respond to all provocations and to counter the Alabama Democrats, whose symbol was a white rooster carrying a banner proclaiming "White Supremacy for the Right." LCFO created comic books to explain various offices, hoping to persuade people to run. During the 1966 march of James Meredith, the panther symbol popped up across the state on signs declaring, "Move on Over or We'll Move On Over You." Later that year, Bobby Seale and Huey Newton adopted the symbol for the Black Panther Party.

After the successful Selma to Montgomery march, members of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC), including Stokely Carmichael, moved into Lowndes County. They traveled the county, often by mule, encouraging farmers and loggers to register to vote. Eventually, they forced the Lowndes County registrars to suspend their onerous voucher and literacy requirements. One of the few northerners who stayed after the Selma to Montgomery march was Jonathan Daniels, a mild-mannered Episcopalian divinity student. Although by then SNCC had become suspicious of white activists, Daniels broke down those barriers to become the first white organizer in Lowndes County.

On August 14, 1965, SNCC demonstrated against segregated facilities in the little town of Fort Deposit. As they picketed local stores, Daniels and several coworkers were surrounded and arrested for parading without a permit. They were carted off to the jail in Hayneville in a dump truck.

The jail is still there, although no longer used. A low, dingy, concrete block building with a few windows and vines growing all over, it's a creepy place. One can only imagine the horror of being jailed there, especially having been adjudged an outside race agitator in the 1960s. Daniels and his compatriots were locked up for almost a week until, on August 20, they were unceremoniously released, without explanation or apology.

Thirsty after a week in the hot concrete bunker without even a fan, the released activists headed to Varner's Cash Store, the only store in town blacks could patronize, for a cold drink. Daniels walked next to Ruby Sales, a black Tuskegee student. Behind them walked the Rev. Richard Morrisroe, a white priest from Chicago, and Joyce Bailey, a 19-year-old black girl from Fort Deposit.

As Daniels and Sales reached the screen door, they saw Tom Coleman standing inside with a shotgun. Coleman, the son of a former Lowndes County sheriff, took offense at the interracial group and yelled out, "Get off this property or I'll blow your goddamn heads off." Daniels pushed Sales out of the way just as Coleman opened fire, striking Daniels in the chest. Sales, covered in blood, fell to the ground where she played dead. Morrisroe grabbed Bailey and tried to run but Coleman fired again, hitting Morrisroe in the back and side. Morrisroe survived, but spent months in the hospital. Daniels was not as lucky. After the shooting, Coleman calmly dropped his shotgun, walked out of the store, stepped over Daniels's lifeless corpse, and then walked to the Lowndes County Courthouse to turn himself in. A month later, Coleman was tried for manslaughter by a jury of his peers -- twelve white men who all knew Coleman. Claiming self-defense, Coleman painted Daniels as a shady outsider who hid behind clerical garb and hung out with black women. The jury took just a day to acquit, after which the charges for shooting Morrisroe were dropped. As Coleman left the courtroom, jurors crowded around to shake his hand.

Varner's Cash Store still sits on Hayneville's main street. A depressing little frame building, today it houses an insurance agency which, on the day we visited, was closed up tight. Standing there, imagining the scene in 1965, looking out over the sleepy little roadway where Jonathan Daniels lay, his lifeblood spilling out, everything seemed surreal. I could almost see Daniels lying there, Coleman stepping over him, and poor Ruby Sales, lying quietly, hoping to not be noticed. As we drove the short distance to the courthouse, it felt as though Coleman was walking beside us.

The courthouse is beautiful, with porches and iron lattice work railings. But remembering the injustices committed within, you can’t help but feel a chill. In 1965, the courthouse had bathrooms for WHITE MEN, WHITE WOMEN, and COLOREDS. Juries were chosen by three good old boys deciding who was fit to hear a case. When Coleman’s trial started, his own name was called out as a potential juror. The courthouse sits at the end of a verdant town square that includes the ubiquitous Confederate obelisk and, tucked unobtrusively – one might say, hidden – in a corner is a memorial to Jonathan Daniels.

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Benches are scattered throughout the park and people walk casually by. Perhaps I was paranoid, knowing the town's past, but I got nervous after noticing a man who passed us at Varner’s take a seat on a bench, apparently just to watch us. An older black man sat on another bench. After we visited the Daniels monument, the black man nodded at us, a quiet acknowledgment of our journey. Meanwhile, the white guy stared. This happened over and over during our journey, blacks quietly acknowledging our mission while whites glared at us. Under the stare of this white man -- a friend of Coleman's? Coleman himself? -- it didn't take long to decide it was time to go. So we headed for the spot on Highway 80 where Viola Liuzzo was murdered by the Klan.

Viola Liuzzo, a white mother of five, was a Southern girl who had moved to Detroit and married a Teamster. As a student at Wayne State University, Liuzzo became involved with the civil rights movement. After watching the brutal beating of the Selma marchers on March 7, 1965, she decided to go South and help. On their third attempt, the civil rights marchers finally made it to Montgomery on March 25, 1965 after a five-day march. Following a rally at the Capitol, volunteer drivers, including Viola Liuzzo, shuttled the marchers back to Selma. Liuzzo, accompanied by a young black Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC) volunteer named Leroy Moton, had made one trip back to Selma and was returning to Montgomery when a carload of Klansmen spotted them. The Klan gave chase, hitting speeds of 100mph. When they reached Liuzzo's car, they pulled alongside and fired two rounds into her window. Liuzzo was killed instantly. Her car careened off the highway, coming to rest against a barbed wire fence. Moton, unhurt, played dead until the Klan had left and then flagged down another Movement shuttle car for help. The next day, four Klansmen were arrested for murder. Incredibly, an FBI informant had been riding in the Klan car at the time of the shooting.

State murder trials, held in that same Lowndes County Courthouse in Hayneville, resulted first in a mistrial and then an acquittal. Finally, in December 1965, federal prosecutors convicted two men of depriving Liuzzo of her civil rights. Sentenced to ten years, the two became the first people convicted of civil rights violations in the modern South. Liuzzo is buried in Detroit but a memorial on Highway 80 marks the spot where her car came to rest.

Liuzzo had always been a hero to me. (Daniels, on the other hand, had been unknown before our trip.) A silly thirteen-year-old northern girl, I had very romantic notions of the civil rights movement and wished I could go South and help. When I heard about Liuzzo, I wished my mother -- a very conservative Republican -- would do something like that. It apparently never occurred to me that, if she had, I might not have a mother any more. What's death when you're 13?

Approaching the large marker on the highway, I felt a chill pass over me. I don’t know whether US80 was a four lane divided highway back then but it was still easy to imagine how someone could overtake you on that road before you even realized they were coming. With no shoulders, the road provides no outs. Once targeted, you’d be a sitting duck.

We pulled off the highway to pay our respects. Unfortunately, you can’t get really close to the marker because it’s enclosed by a heavy metal fence. This must have been erected relatively recently since older photos don't show it. That day, I was annoyed by the fence which seemed needlessly obstructive but, as the trip progressed, I saw enough damage at other memorials to understand why it was necessary and appreciated the protection it provided.

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(Aside:  In retrospect, this picture fascinates me. Because I have MS – see the crutches? – I can’t easily get into this position and need help getting out of it. Nonetheless, I assumed it at the Liuzzo memorial and now I realize that it put me in line with the space occupied by Liuzzo’s careening car.)

A huge wreath, from the Women's Auxiliary of the SCLC, sat beside the monument. While this was the first of these we saw, it would not be the last. They've been placed at all the major sites and even helped us identify a couple of remote cemetery locations.  

Standing just off the highway, paying our respects to this civil rights martyr, was an eerie experience. As the traffic whizzed by, I realized that every passing car spooked me. It's hard not to feel vulnerable when you know you're honoring something many people in this area still resent and that, if anyone wanted to, they could easily shoot you down from a passing car and quickly be gone. An insane thought, I tried to tell myself. After all, we were standing next to an American highway in the year 2002. But that was the problem:  this did not feel like America and it did not feel like 2002.

With the day beginning to fade, the emotions became overwhelming so we got back in the car and headed for Selma to spend the night. On the edge of town, the famous Edmund Pettus Bridge, with its badly tattered Christmas decorations, welcomed us.

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Next time:  Jimmie Lee Jackson and Selma with the final installment to cover the civil rights workers killed outside Philadelphia, Mississippi.

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  •  me in Storytime? (19+ / 0-)

    Cronesense, thanks for the opportunity to share this and also for starting this wonderful Friday night space to share our stories with each other.

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    by kainah on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 06:26:33 PM PDT

  •  Oh, my, kainah, did you ever rock my (8+ / 0-)

    memories.  Growing up in the segregated South lends a different perspective to those times than for those who only read or watched on TV the happenings.  Those were terrible times.  I still remember the segregated bathrooms and water fountains.  The mistreatment of blacks was beyond description in those days.  

    Thanks for sharing your story.  Those days are alive and well in memory tonight and you have stirred the pot quite well.  When I stop crying maybe I can say more.

    Jerry Northington, D.V.M., for Congress, DE-AL. Elect a real Progressive Democrat in '08.

    by possum on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 06:38:52 PM PDT

    •  can't imagine growing up in the South (8+ / 0-)

      My ideas about the South, of course, will forever be shaped by those early images and the trip was pretty surreal. I want to go back again because there's much more to see and experience there.

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      by kainah on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 06:47:48 PM PDT

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      •  The South has so much to offer (6+ / 0-)

        in terms of history and culture.  We love to travel there.  I can no longer manage the thought of returning to live in the South.  Just too much history in my life, but visiting is just fine.  We love to travel that way and do so at every opportunity.  Not to the deep south, but NC and WVa and VA.  Occasionally to TN and KY.  Treks are highly recommended.

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        by possum on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 07:00:44 PM PDT

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        •  I'm very drawn by the history (5+ / 0-)

          I don't like military history but I'm lured, as always, by the very human stories from the Civil War. I definitely want to go back ... but I'll go back with a continuing sense of caution.

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          by kainah on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 07:03:20 PM PDT

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          •  I was drawn first to the military (6+ / 0-)

            history and in recent years have changed the focus to the people.  We live in an area where the Underground Railroad was alive and well.  In addition there are many Revolutionary War and Civil War battlefields nearby.  Whenever we have a chance to travel south we try to see other sites and particularly the graveyards and monuments that have to do with the people.

            One particularly terrible part of that history was lynching.  My home town suffered a similar event when I was 12.  I still remember the shocked, quiet conversations among the adults for weeks.  We kids were kept very close for a time when we usually had the run of town.  Details were hidden and are still tough to get, but there was something awful going on even as late as those times.

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            by possum on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 07:09:33 PM PDT

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            •  lynching & the KKK (7+ / 0-)

              Lynching is particularly gruesome. Of course, those happened a-plenty up north, too. Something about that reminded me of the time we were driving between Columbus and Dayton, OH, on the way home from visiting my brother at college. It was turning to dusk and I saw this huge cross burning in a field ... and wanted to know what that was about. My mother frantically tried to change my focus but with little success.

              My ancestors were Quaker abolitionists in a little town, Martin's Ferry, OH -- directly across the OH River from Wheeling, then VA. Quaker great-great grandmother married a non-Quaker abolitionist who fought in the Civil War and was very badly wounded in a battle near Corinth, MS. I'd like to visit that battlefield although military strategy -- and thus, battlefields -- don't make a lot of sense to me.

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              by kainah on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 07:18:44 PM PDT

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              •  Parents work so hard to protect their children (3+ / 0-)

                sometimes, but those little curiosities are tough to control.  Did your mother explain what happened?

                Even without knowing military history walking some of those battlefields can be a very moving and spiritual experience.  Gettysburg is just that way.  Walking across Pickett's Charge is really powerful as are other places nearby.

                Jerry Northington, D.V.M., for Congress, DE-AL. Elect a real Progressive Democrat in '08.

                by possum on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 07:30:38 PM PDT

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                •  my mother didn't explain ugly things (5+ / 0-)

                  I don't think she knew how to. She was of the stiff upper lip school that said what you didn't talk about didn't really exist.

                  The NPS says it takes 2 hours to do Gettysburg. I bet my husband we could do it in 1/2 that although usually we take MUCH MORE than average time at historic sites. I didn't like Gettysburg because, for me, it felt as though all of the monuments all over had driven out the "ghosts" which is how I relate to sites.

                  But, as we were doing our speed trip through Gettysburg, we came around a corner and I said, "Ohmigod, this is really haunted." I could feel a ton of spirits around us. When we got to the next pull-out, I saw that we were at Little Round Top and even I, the total non-military historian, knew that was a big one.

                  And, possum, thanks for the babysitting but it's not really necessary. :)

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                  by kainah on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 07:43:49 PM PDT

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                  •  Little Round Top was a place I had in mind (4+ / 0-)

                    as I wrote about Pickett's field.  I was almost unable to climb that hillside.  The spirits were closing in all around.  The feeling gives me chills even tonight as the memory comes back.  

                    And, kainah, be advised I am not babysitting.  I take this as play time.  I love your diary and the chance to play in your sandbox.  I'll leave if you wish but I'd prefer to stay around.  The missus is busy a few feet away and checking in now and then as I do my thing and she does hers.

                    Jerry Northington, D.V.M., for Congress, DE-AL. Elect a real Progressive Democrat in '08.

                    by possum on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 07:52:09 PM PDT

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                    •  didn't mean for you to leave (4+ / 0-)

                      oh, heaven forbid!!! I just didn't want you neglecting your own wonderful diary!! And I know Cronesense asked you to help with this one. Sorry we didn't provoke more people's memories of those tumultuous times but there's so much good stuff out there tonight.

                      I do wonder, though, why the civil rights movement is relatively rarely a topic on kos....

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                      by kainah on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 08:02:27 PM PDT

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                      •  Cronesense could not keep me away from (4+ / 0-)

                        here even if she tried which she will not.  And I always stay to play in STORYTIME.  My diary is going just fine.  I can mind these two and a third, too.  I'm getting pretty good at this stuff or at least I have fun for myself.

                        The civil rights movement is not flashy and modern.  Kos is all about what is new and breaking today IMHO.  More history would be good for folk.  There is so much to be learned from those days.  If we fail to keep our history alive we risk repeating those mistakes.

                        Jerry Northington, D.V.M., for Congress, DE-AL. Elect a real Progressive Democrat in '08.

                        by possum on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 08:13:23 PM PDT

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                •  have you ever been to Little BigHorn? (4+ / 0-)

                  That's my favorite battlefield. And the spirits there are amazing!! And there's so much confusion in the air. It's really, really something. If you've never been, it's well worth the visit.  

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                  by kainah on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 08:09:01 PM PDT

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                  •  Never been there. (3+ / 0-)

                    Haven't really traveled the West very much.  Mostly stayed east of the Mississippi or the northwest coast.  Maybe one day...   Then we will keep that recommendation in mind.  Thanks.

                    Jerry Northington, D.V.M., for Congress, DE-AL. Elect a real Progressive Democrat in '08.

                    by possum on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 08:14:51 PM PDT

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                    •  If you're ever around Laramie, WY (4+ / 0-)

                      I've got a lot of great places I could show you. The West is great. So completely different and photos can never do it justice.

                      Well, put this in your memory:  Little Big Horn is just north of Sheridan, WY, over the Montana state line on the Crow Reservation. (I always wonder if they'd get as many white visitors if most of those people knew it was actually on an Indian reservation. Of course, the Crow served as scouts for Custer and would still fight a Lakota given half an excuse. :))

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                      by kainah on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 08:22:27 PM PDT

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                      •  We travel every time we have any chance, (4+ / 0-)

                        but going that far West is not likely I fear.  The teen and her dad do go west sometimes, but we tend to stay closer to home.  Just so much to see and do in this country and so very little time with work in the picture for a bit longer.  

                        I'd love to see more Indian sites.  We have visited sites on the Trail of Tears.  Those are powerful spiritual places, too.  One in western KY is very near my brother's home.  I can't miss going there any time we are back that way.  The white man's history in that realm is pretty terrible.

                        Jerry Northington, D.V.M., for Congress, DE-AL. Elect a real Progressive Democrat in '08.

                        by possum on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 08:29:15 PM PDT

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              •  Lynchings (0+ / 0-)

                These were ritualistic events, the participants posed the bodies and took pictures and souvenirs.  Very scary.

                Here is an interestingslideshow on lynchings.

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                by sberel on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 03:55:40 PM PDT

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    •  btw, possum.... (7+ / 0-)

      Was I nuts to be paranoid? I've usually done pretty well in trusting my gut instincts but I wasn't sured whether I was just letting my imagination run wild. I'd appreciate your sense of that.

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      by kainah on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 06:51:15 PM PDT

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    •  There is a series called Kids Discover (1+ / 0-)

      Recommended by:
      kainah

      They focus on an issue, or country, or whatever.  They did an issue on Civil Rights.  It's about elem school level, has mostly photos with some text explaining it, and short summaries on the page explaining the basic theme that ties the photos together.  I am having a hard time explaining the format, but suffice it to say it's really good.

      Anyway, I picked up the civil rights issue, and it has photos of the "Whites Only" water fountains ... or maybe it was restrooms.  At any rate, my heart stopped a little when I saw it.  I cannot imagine how it would feel to have lived this.  I am so sorry, and thankful we've got beyond it.  

      Now my generation, and my daughters' generation, has the daunting task of dismantling the profound racial  disparities this long history of institutional racism has wrought.

      interview on neo-racism

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      by sberel on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 03:51:02 PM PDT

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      •  in Cincinnati (1+ / 0-)

        Recommended by:
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        When I was little in Cincinnati, there were no signs that said "whites only" but it was pretty well understood that there were places that blacks just didn't -- shouldn't -- go. I remember that there was one black kid on one of the swimming teams in our league and there were a number of pools that were none too happy about letting him take part in the swim meets.

        I do wish young(er) people understood how recently all that was the norm. I mean, I'm mid-50s and I'm talking about things that happened when I was abt ten years old -- and this was in a northern city.

        It seems like ancient history, for some weird reason, when it was really just yesterday.

        Thanks for stopping by, sberel

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        by kainah on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 04:55:35 PM PDT

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        •  generation gap (1+ / 0-)

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          It scares me.

          What you are saying about segregation, which isn't real to kids, and womens' rights is another area of concern.

          Too many young women don't realize how recently access to contraception was restricted ... and they seem to think that the rights they always have will always be there.  

          When the reality is all these advances we've made as a society can be rolled back rather quickly and easily.  Did you see on the FP where fewer and fewer of the Dept of Justice attorneys in the civil rights area have actual experience in civil rights law?

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          by sberel on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 05:12:45 PM PDT

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          •  you're right again (0+ / 0-)

            When I married in 1972, I decided not to take my husband's name. For years after that, I had to carry miniature copies of our marriage license to prove that I was, indeed, married to him and therefore eligible for things like insurance coverage through his employer. As late as 1976, I had trouble getting a credit card in my own name, although companies were eager to give me one with my first name and his last name on it. (Which, of course, wouldn't exactly have helped me since I had no ID to back it up.)

            About ten years ago, I mentioned something about this to a younger woman and she got this look in her eyes and then said to me, "Wow, you were a pioneer in that (keeping your own name)." It had never really occurred to me to think of myself in that way but she was absolutely right and I could tell that it had never really occurred to her how recent a development this was.

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            by kainah on Sat Mar 10, 2007 at 11:54:30 PM PDT

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  •  Thank you for this beautiful diary, kainah. (7+ / 0-)

    You weave a beautiful fabric with your words and I feel I "saw' all the things you described without even seeing the pictures you included, which are just the icing on the cake.  

    It's amazing and heartbreaking what our country's been through, how far we've come, and how far we still need to go.

    "Ancora Imparo." ("I am still learning.") - Michelangelo, Age 87

    by Dreaming of Better Days on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 06:54:53 PM PDT

  •  there are not many people... (4+ / 0-)

    who could borrow my cronieleh's storytime pen and do it justice, but, if anyone can, it is you, kainah. thank you so much for this diary. i read it rather quickly, but have hotlisted it so i can come back and read savor every word.

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    by nonnie9999 on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 10:07:20 PM PDT

    •  thanks so much, nonnie (5+ / 0-)

      What a huge compliment!!! If I can come close to taking up the slack left by Cronesense getting a well-deserved week off, I'm thrilled.

      And, yeah, maybe one of these days I'll learn how to write short ... but I really doubt it. :) At least I do do a good job of editing down, otherwise the world would never make it through anything I wrote.

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      by kainah on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 10:31:24 PM PDT

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      •  i wasn't saying that it was too long... (3+ / 0-)

        i have never thought any of your diaries were too long. what i meant to say is that i am presently distracted by a half dozen things, and your diaries always deserve my complete attention.

        I didn't get Jack from Abramoff...I'm not a Republican!

        by nonnie9999 on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 10:35:25 PM PDT

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        •  I'm always conscious of length (5+ / 0-)

          It's something I know about myself and my writing and I'm sensitive to it because I don't like reading long things on the computer. I will often print out Cronesense's stories -- and anything that approaches 2+ pages -- because I still prefer to read the written page.

          I envy those people who can spit out a concise paragraph or two and call it a completed piece. But, for me, a paragraph or two is for verbalizing. My writing has always necessitated something more complex. And I know that's not always the best for this medium.

          But don't worry. I didn't take what you said as criticism, just recognition of reality.

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          by kainah on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 10:42:02 PM PDT

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          •  my dearest kainah.... (4+ / 0-)

            as women, we know that it is not the length of things that is important, but how well-rounded they are. oops, i mean, sometimes longer is better, but shorter can be good, too. umm, let me start over. some people can take something short and incessantly pound you with it over and over again, thinking that length is necessary. however, it turns out that the person on the receiving end is exhausted at the end but not satisfied. now, that didn't come out right either.
            what i am really saying, dear kainah, is that it's not the size of the diary that counts, it's the emotion of the notion. some things can be said succinctly, and others might take more words, but are just as absorbing as the shorter works. had you pared even one paragraph from any of your kent state diaries, it would have been a tragedy.
            now, how's that for using too many words to make a point?

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            by nonnie9999 on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 11:11:13 PM PDT

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          •  As one who ... (3+ / 0-)

            never used one word where fifteen would do, I say brevity is overrated, and if it is a good thing, at least they need a longer word for it. ;)

            My assessment is that you write to the extent you need to for the purpose of honoring your subject. That you have done exceptionally well!

            "The opposite of war isn't peace, it's CREATION." _ Jonathan Larson, RENT

            by BeninSC on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 11:40:00 PM PDT

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  •  Great Diary - Pols Should Not Trivialize This (6+ / 0-)

    Thanks for the great diary.  

    You know, I saw pictures printed in newspapers the day after the commemoration of "Bloody Sunday" in Selma, Alabama and I gotta say this: it is getting to the point where the trivialization of this history as just a "photo op" for politicians is starting to offend me.

    •  good point, Alex (3+ / 0-)

      When I proposed this to Cronesense, I didn't even realize that the anniversary of Bloody Sunday was upon us. I think what John Lewis has done with his civil rights tours for politicians is very important work and it seems to have helped educate a lot of them. I've heard several talk about how it has really changed their views. But last week's Clinton-Obama circus was really quite offensive. I do have to say that Obama spoke from the prized location, though.

      Selma is a really interesting place and I'm looking forward to writing that piece. It was the one place in the whole trip where I didn't feel continually on guard and where it seemed as though blacks had really come into their own to claim something of the city for themselves. Still, there were some chilling scenes and locations and one unforgettable little boy.

      Stay tuned.......

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      by kainah on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 10:35:54 PM PDT

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