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"Plan B" must be the Draft.

Thu Apr 12, 2007 at 08:39:22 AM PDT

The reference is to this item from earlier in the week (courtesy of a gnostic):

Rep. Phil Gingrey (R-GA), who serves on the House Armed Services Committee, told "Hardball" fill-in host David Gregory that if the 'surge' has not yielded success in Iraq by August 2008, then "this president, and the Republican majority from the last Congress, we do have a 'Plan B,' but we're not going to give it to the enemy."

Could Plan B be a draft? The obvious answer to the question is, "with this administration, who knows?" Seriously, the answer should be no, but then most folks thought 6 months ago that we were getting the Baker plan. But in any event, we should be all over Mr. Gingrey and the apparently 'undead' 109th Congress about this little ploy.  

We need to put immediate pressure on the repo's to answer the question: "Is Plan B the draft?" You see, I don't think they can give a good answer to this question. And without a very good answer, the american people may begin to wonder about this Plan B.

Gingrey's statement is predicated, of course, on the surge not working out by August 2008 (conveniently, the time of the democratic convention, I believe). More below

There will really only be 2 options if the surge is not working: a withdrawal or an escalation. Plan B cannot be a withdrawal, however: the Preznit has said that failure is not an option, and General Pace told us a while back that Plan B is to make Plan A work. And besides, if Plan B is a withdrawal -- apparently in August 2008 -- then the enemy will simply set their alarms, hunker down, and then follow us home. So nix the withdrawal. Even if that is the obvious alternative, the repos cannot admit this.

By a process of elimination, therefore, we will say to the Gingreys, (loud enough for the american people to overhear) Plan B must be an escalation. But with what? The pentagon announced yestarday that the troops will now be pulling 15 month tours instead of 12 months; last week they announced we'll have to send 13,000 National Guard over; and sooner or later someone will notice that we are recycling the wounded (better than having them hang out at Walter Reed counting cockroaches, I suppose). As teacherken and others have pointed out, our armies are stretched to the breaking point. And we cannot afford the financial burden of escalating with contractor/mercenaries. So, could it be, might it be -- a DRAFT? The evil that no one dares speak (except Charlie Rangel).

Of course, there is no Plan B, just as Nixon had no secret plan for Vietnam. And if there is one, it isn't (I think!) a draft. But who cares? Maybe its time for the democratic party to challenge the repos on this, and make them state, straight up, that they will not, under any circumstances, even if the President demands more troops in August 2008, support a draft. You know what? I bet that a lot of them will not do that. But whether they rule out a draft or not, this debate might finally focus some attention on the fundamental reality that undermines every alternative except withdrawal: we do not have the troops, and will not have them by August 2008, to continue this disaster of epic proportions, unless we have a draft.

And finally, I gotta say something about Mr. Gingrey's apparent theory of constitutional process: I have looked over the old document pretty carefully, and I cannot for the life of me see how it allocates any responsibility or authority, let alone the war powers, to the previous congress, or to any portion of it. We have apparently gone beyond the unitary executive into heretofore undreamed of possibilities, where the president gets to pick which congress he works with. Scotty, please beam me up.  

Tags: Phil Gingrey, Plan B, draft, escalation, unitary executive, Charles Rangel (all tags) :: Previous Tag Versions

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  •  In this context a draft would be... (4+ / 0-)

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    ...unenforceable.  I'd bet a pie on it.

  •  A Draft would end this Fiasco in a week. (4+ / 0-)

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    You would have citizens storming their Congressman's offices. Just let them even breathe the word "draft."

    Who was Bush_Horror2004, anyway?

    by Dartagnan on Thu Apr 12, 2007 at 08:41:36 AM PDT

    •  Oh I PRAY for that word in MSM. (2+ / 0-)

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      Hooo boy- look out. KSU 2007!

      Mandatory military service for EVERYONE; you, your wife, your daughter in college and your stockbroker. Yes, you CAN.

      by glbTVET on Thu Apr 12, 2007 at 08:47:40 AM PDT

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      •  Then this is the way to get (4+ / 0-)

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        the public thinking about it. Imagine someone (obviously not Timmeh) asking McCain: Senator, one of your fellow congressman says that the republicans have a Plan B that they will implement in 2008 if the surge fails. Since the President has ruled out a withdrawal, and the army is already stretched thin, is it fair to say that Plan B must be a draft?"
        Then watch the fun. McCain: "I would not rule anything out."
        Headlines: McCain Says Draft possible in '08.

      •  Are they BREAKING the ARMY - for - a DRAFT? (0+ / 0-)

        WHO KNOWS?  Keep your RADAR on... read that they wanted only THIRTEEN DAYS to put people thru the system....perhaps to keep the "little people" down and reduce the CHAOS and PROTEST TIMES?
        WHO KNOWS?

        The Military Draft

        By Ken Adachi <editor>
        http://educate-yourself.org/...
        Feb. 3, 2004
        A mandatory draft is coming and it will come soon. Make no mistake about it. If you have a 'specialty' field such as health care worker or even computer skills (such as a degree in computer science), you could be 'drafted' into government service up to the age limit of 44 years old. You will have no choice in the matter as the Presidential Executive Order has already been signed and has become the "law", without the messy annoyance of congressional voting or debate, of course. The new age limit of conscription will also be pushed up to 36 years (update: June 2006. now changed to 42 years ) of age, not 26 years as was the traditional limit. They have now tied in Selective Service Registration with applying for a driver's licence in some 34 states so far.

        -----------------------
        MSNBC staff and news service reports
        Updated: 1:47 p.m. MT Jan 11, 2007
        WASHINGTON - At a briefing to add details about President Bush's new Iraq strategy, Defense Secretary Robert Gates on Thursday said he would recommend increasing the Army and Marine Corps by 92,000 troops over the next five years.

        The cost of the troop increase would be enormous. The Army estimates that each additional 10,000 soldiers costs it about $1.2 billion a year. That does not include the cost of equipment needed for the additional soldiers.

        http://www.factnet.org/...

  •  won't be a draft (1+ / 0-)

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    if there was any serious talk of a draft we would be out of Iraq in 6 months.  They know the American people wouldn't stand for it.

    Plan B probably will be drawing back U.S. forces to superbases and border regions (except for oil fields, etc.), probably giving up on trying to win Anbar province, and spin everything by saying it was time for Iraqis to defend themselves.  We'll provide air support when called and hunt down al queda camps if they form, and try to keep the ethnic cleansing contained to Iraq.

    "There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible. But in the end they always fall. Think of it. Always." -- Mahatma Gandhi

    by duha on Thu Apr 12, 2007 at 09:03:04 AM PDT

    •  And that's probably correct. But the repos (0+ / 0-)

      can't talk about that now. Hence their unwillingness to speak of any kind of withdrawal, if publicized, would certainly make a lot of americans wonder. And that's the point. Make them stake out a position -- if they won't, then the seed has been planted in very fertile soil, given the recent publicity regarding extending tours and deploying national guard.

      •  Is this the same Super Duper Secret Plan (2+ / 0-)

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        that Conrad Burns was talking about last year?

        I can't see them talking about the draft.  If they were to try and institute a draft, they'd really tarnish the GOP brand.  Then again, logic and reasoning has not proven a strong point.

        •  Yes indeedy. And don't forget, the (1+ / 0-)

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          Baker Commission was a variation on this: "Oh, don't worry about Iraq -- once we hear from the Baker Commission we'll have a new plan to for victory." Of course they don't want to talk about the draft. But this idiotic ploy by Gingrey paints them into a corner. What's the plan, if withdrawal is ruled out? They may not want to talk about the draft, but will they rule it out? I don't think so.

  •  Up the stakes (1+ / 0-)

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    When Bush vetoes the funding because of withdrawal deadlines, our "Plan B" should be to challenge him to All Or Nothing. That means all further war funding will be tied to not only a draft, but also a repeal of his tax cuts for the billionheirs and mobilization of the economy on a wartime footing like we had in WW II.

    Tell him if he does'nt fight to win, he can't fight at all. He'll never go for it, but he can't possibly spin it as "not supporting the troops".

    Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

    by drewfromct on Thu Apr 12, 2007 at 09:16:41 AM PDT

    •  The problem with this -- which (2+ / 0-)

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      is also the problem with a draft -- is that I believe Bush would escalate. He has no election to win and nothing to lose. His unitary executive thoery permits him to do anything with whatever money and troops Congress give to him. He will use them, because all he has left is his legacy. All or nothing? He'll take all.

      •  If I thought that were true (0+ / 0-)

        I would never propose it. For one thing, if he really wanted to do what it takes to fight this war to win, he would have from the start. Instead he told Americans to go shopping after 9/11, and he went along with the Rumsfeld Doctrine of war on the cheap.

        Secondly, even his hard-core thirty percenters would throw him under the bus if he went along with a draft. And there's no way he, or they, would go along with actually paying their taxes to support the troops.

        Tie the funding to a war tax and gas rationing and we've got him by the balls.

        Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

        by drewfromct on Thu Apr 12, 2007 at 09:35:05 AM PDT

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    •  "draft labels" (3+ / 0-)

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      Remember KagroX's campaign to put Avery "IMPEACH" lables everywhere?? I did that for months and labeled our Colorado mountain town thoroughly. When it started, Impeachement was not even anywhere in the same room as the table. Now it is, at least, debated. Perhaps it is time to start to place labels like "Time for a DRAFT?" on every surface. Get it on the menu at least. Hey, it worked well for the impeachment topic. It is subtle and gets people thinking.

  •  They'll never breathe the word (2+ / 0-)

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    The core of Republican support comes from people who are perfectly happy to send someone else's son out to fight.  Visit the next meeting of your nearest College Republican chapter, ask the menfolk whether they support the war, and ask any of those when they report to OCS.  I dare you.

    The notion of actual sacrifice for everyone would eviscerate the President's political support in a moment.  And the Republicans know that.

  •  It's quite obvious what Plan B is. (0+ / 0-)

    It is not a draft. It is to kick the can down the road long enough for a Democratic Administration to come to power, then whatever that Administration does, point fingers at it and blame them for the whole mess.

    Don't forget. This lot don't do policy, only politics.

  •  There will be a push for the Draft (0+ / 0-)

    This will be Bush's going-away party - and we are all invited.  

    "Plan B" is to escalate - there is no doubt.  There are not resources to prevail in this war.  Hense, a draft.

    The Repugs may believe that they can divide the Democrats by calling for a draft.  How many Democrats might support such a call, not wanting to be "soft on terror" or "cut-and run loosers"???

    An illusion can never be destroyed directly... SK.

    by Thomas Twinnings on Sun Apr 15, 2007 at 09:23:52 AM PDT

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