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Hillary Clinton in Hampton, NH: April 14th

Sun Apr 15, 2007 at 06:49:52 PM PDT

Sen. Hillary Clinton came to Hanpton, NH on the Saturday before Tax Day and made two appearances in two very different venues. First, she visited Gary and Lenore Patton's home at brunchtime (although, showing how different she is from her husband, she showed no interest in the wonderful pastries in the Pattons' kitchen) and spoke to about 60 party activists (mostly local officials and/or two party committee members.) Then, she headed over to the local high school gym to address a boisterous gathering of at least 1500 citizens, in the now-traditional "Town Meeting" format with a boxing-ring-like stage in the center of the room.

The main point of both events was to establish that she is in fact electable.

Sen. Hillary Clinton came to Hanpton, NH on the Saturday before Tax Day and made two appearances in two very different venues. First, she visited Gary and Lenore Patton's home at brunchtime (although, showing how different she is from her husband, she showed no interest in the wonderful pastries in the Pattons' kitchen) and spoke to about 60 party activists (mostly local officials and/or two party committee members.) Then, she headed over to the local high school gym to address a boisterous gathering of at least 1500 citizens, in the now-traditional "Town Meeting" format with a boxing-ring-like stage in the center of the room.

The main point of both events was to establish that she is in fact electable. Aside from the fact that she is the favorite target of the "Right Wing Noise Machine," she also reminds voters of her husband's Presidency, which was (even though Bill Clinton was infinitely preferable to the current President) a frustrating time for the Democratic party (especially the progressive wing of the party.) Bill and Hillary Clinton are even blamed indirectly for George W. Bush's socalled 2000 victory. Al Gore ran as Bill Clinton's Vice President, which meant that (amongst other decisions which turned out to be mistaken) he ignored the issues of Global Warming and of the Environment in general (choosing instead to continuing pursuing the President's—and First Lady's— agenda.) It now appears that those two issues would have won him the election. (Gore was also weakened by Bill Clinton's scandals, which seemed bad at the time even though Bush and Cheney turned out to be vastly more corrupt.)

Hillary gave those two issues more emphasis than her husband used to (although her competitors have more to say about than she does) — and she did remember to point out that Green technology could form the basis of new businesses and that reducing our consumption of oil would be benefical for a host of reasons beside the obvious one of stopping global warming. Her agenda is much the same as Barack Obama's and John Edwards' and not that much different from Dennis Kucinich's. She is even in favor of ending the War in Iraq as soon as possible (although she does have to deal with the fact that she voted for the war initially, as well as the fact that Bush-Cheney have been to a large extent merely continuing on Bill Clinton's policies towards Iraq, albeit in grotesquely exaggerated form.)

Although the media is paying little attention to these issues, she is placing a lot of emphasis on restucturing government (e.g., by getting rid of "no-bid contracts," and by replacing unaccounatble contractors with more accoutable government employees) and on expanding the Family Medical Leave program (which she helped create in the 1990s.) She has a good answer to the obvious critcicism that this would cost businesses a huge sum of money: she says that unpaid family members currently do about $300 billions of dollars of work taking care of disabled and sick family members. (That is, if everyone stopped caring for their relatives, it would cost that much to hire home health workers to replace them.)

Both these events were billed as "Conversations." And she is a good listener: she is quite adept at picking up on what people are saying to her (and doing around her.) However on another level the term "Conversation" is something of a misnomer: she does the vast majority of the talking (and she happenes to be a very fluent speaker, by the way), and in any case these events are (as they should be) much more about her than the audicnce. (We are there, after all, mostly to decide if we want to vote for her as President of the United States, which is normally the most powerful job on earth— and even under the current regime in Washington, George W. Bush is still the third-most powerful person on earth, just behind Dick Cheneyand Karl Rove.)

At the brunch, Gary Patton stated that she needed no introduction (although he and Herb Moyer did make a couple of announcements of upcoming events before she spoke), but she was given a lengthy introduction. While a rock anthem blared in the background, half a dozen strong American ladies from three generations strode up onto the stage— all of them familiar faces with the exception of the first and youngest woman. This first woman was our hostess, the high school's student body vice president, who also happened to be a member of the state champion basketball team. She was followed by State Senators Martha Fuller Clark and Maggie Wood Hassan, Executive Councilor Beverly Hollingsworth, and Congresswoman Carol Shea Porter. By the time Hillary got the microphone, a good half hour had gone by— but the point was made that strong women are already serving in other offices, so why not give a woman a chance to be President.

I asked what may have been a silly question where I brought up the current controversy over Dom Imus and the "Right Wing Noise Machine" in general. (In case you don't care or don't remember, Don Imus was a radio "shock jock" who was reviled as a liberal until he gratuitously hurled a racial insult at the young women on the Rutger's basketball team. Although he is a member of the GOP himself, he was known to hurl barbs at his fellow Republicans. After he got in trouble for dissing a group of harmless and extraordinarily talented young ladies, the right wing finally embraced him as one of their own but his show got cancelled.) Sen. Clinton graciously said that being insulted by those guys was a "preverse form of flattery" and that she didn't worry too much about them. And she talked about how she was getting her message out to the American people anyway.

The Noise Machine mischaracterized the last question of the event at the high school, by the way. The way it was played in some reports was that a hostile questioner (and, we were supposed to infer, a conservative questioner) was hauled out of the event by Clinton's thugs. (She actually had no thugs: she is followed around by the Secret Service, but the security was otherwise unobtrusive.) The questioner was indeed hostile, but Sen. Clinton made a point of answering her question respectfully. The gist of the question was "Did you read the 92-page National Intelligence Estimate in 2002 before voting on the Iraqi war resolution?" Sen. Clinton said that she had been briefed thoroughly (which was a tacit admission that she didn't actually read the document itself) and explained why looking back she now recognizes that she voted the wrong way. The questioner, who said she had been following the Senator all over the place demanding an answer, then began screaming that the blood of Iraqi children's was on the Senator's hands. The microphone was indeed cut off at the point, but the questioner was not mistreated, as far as I could tell. I can say for sure that Mrs. Clinton did make a point of calling on that particular person, did treat her with respect, and (as I said already) did give a honest and thoughtful (albeit kinda Clintonesque) answer.

Everyone who saw Sen. Clinton (with that one possible exception) was very favorably impressed. And my mother, Clif Horrigan of Portsmouth, was not the only person who made sure to bring a bumper sticker home from the event. Hillary did a good job of showing that she is capable of winning a Presidential election.

One of the pundits' favorite cliches about Hillary is that she is aloof, arrogant and even bitchy. (Of course, the pundits who describe her in those terms also used to rave about George W. Bush's "likeable" and "winning" personality, proving that they are poor judges of personal character.) Iromically, in person, she gives the opposite impression: she comes across as a very gracious person with a good sense of humor.

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  •  Glad to Hear She Had Brunch..Yeah (2+ / 0-)

    ??????

    WASHINGTON, March 14 — Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton foresees a "remaining military as well as political mission" in Iraq, and says that if elected president, she would keep a reduced military force there to fight Al Qaeda, deter Iranian aggression, protect the Kurds and possibly support the Iraqi military.

    after brunch, I'm guessing nobody had the stones to ask her for PROOF al Qaeda is indeed all that active in Iraq-- and nobody asked her to define "Iranian aggression", either.

    gimme a break.

    http://www.nytimes.com/...

    "Cigna cannot decide who is going to live and who is going to die." -- Nataline's mother

    by Superpole on Sun Apr 15, 2007 at 06:53:17 PM PDT

  •  I am shocked, beyond shocked (2+ / 0-)

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    DCDemocrat, cosette

    that Hillary Clinton has become the town of Hampton, NH.

    (Or is that a typo? :) )

  •  Heads-up Timothy--she IS Hampton, or... (0+ / 0-)

    she was IN Hampton? ;)

    Just a spelling nit awareness post from your friendly resident editor at dK. :p

  •  polls show she's not electable and primary ... (0+ / 0-)

    voters are becoming aware of the huge risk of nominating someone with  who a majority of voters have a negative opinion, i do know a few people who think Hillary might make the best president but doubt that she can win the election with the limited appeal she has outside the dem establishment.This election is too important to hope she can change perceptions about her.

    After Obama's eighth straight victory, Penn told reporters: "Winning Democratic primaries is not a qualification or a sign of who can win the general election.

    by nevadadem on Sun Apr 15, 2007 at 07:09:03 PM PDT

  •  A very fine diary. (2+ / 0-)

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    hopefulcanadian, PhillyGuy03

    I appreciate your firsthand perspective.

    Guess what. Kossacks continue to be very rude. I am for Obama, but I'm not a Kossack.

    by DCDemocrat on Sun Apr 15, 2007 at 07:14:42 PM PDT

  •  reality (1+ / 0-)

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    DaleA

    However, Clinton remains a polarizing figure. She is the only one of the top three Democratic contenders who gets a negative assessment from all registered voters.

    cbs news poll----virtually all national polls have Clinton faring the wrost against republican opponents, I have no doubt in national polls among voter screens that don't take into account enthuisiasm amd likelyhood to vote Hillary has a small double didget lead, however she is not a good general election candidate and that's why she;s struggling in the early states, she would face  a motivated Republican base and unenthusiastic dem base as shown by her lack of support on the internet or compared to Obama among crowds and donores and she doesn't poll well among independants, sorry but it's reality and a major issue in the campaign.I like Hillary but for the good of the party the 65% of people that arde choosing someone else should eventually join together to save the party from her nomination possably ruining the o8 cycle.

    After Obama's eighth straight victory, Penn told reporters: "Winning Democratic primaries is not a qualification or a sign of who can win the general election.

    by nevadadem on Sun Apr 15, 2007 at 07:18:31 PM PDT

  •  The answer to (0+ / 0-)

    the hostile questioner could be trouble if people look into it.

    She was not thoroughly briefed on the the classified document or someone broke the law.
    They didn't make reading that document easy, getting it to them just days before the vote. They had to go to a certain room, be checked that they had nothing to record it with before they went in. It was read only...and only Congress could read it.
    An aide couldn't read it. The congress person could not discuss it after they read it, not even with each other.

    Durbin, who did read it, strongly urged the others to please go read it before the vote. (I posted a link of what he said then here a while ago, but too lazy now)

    But a total of 6 Senators read it. They couldn't brief anyone. Unless Hillary thinks the short declassified version bush gave them was thorough, she was not thoroughly briefed. I wish that hadn't been her answer.

  •  In person she is very attractive and is indeed an (1+ / 0-)

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    DaleA

    Eloquent speaker despite the head bobbing and weaving.
    I am just for Obama and then Edwards.

    She will make a great Majority leader one day or even supreme court justice.

  •  FWIW (1+ / 0-)

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    hopefulcanadian

    Vlogger mbair has another outstanding diary up of this event over at Blue Hampshire.

  •  Thanks for the campaign update n/t (1+ / 0-)

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    DCDemocrat

    Clinton '08 // Putting People First

    by Berkeley Vox on Sun Apr 15, 2007 at 07:44:10 PM PDT

  •  About Hillary's Claims That She Intends To (1+ / 0-)

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    Opinionated Ed

    end the war in Iraq. Here is what she says her plan is for Iraq NY Times:

    Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton foresees a “remaining military as well as political mission” in Iraq, and says that if elected president, she would keep a reduced military force there to fight Al Qaeda, deter Iranian aggression, protect the Kurds and possibly support the Iraqi military.

    “It would be far fewer troops,” she said. “But what we can do is to almost take a line sort of north of — between Baghdad and Kirkuk, and basically put our troops into that region, the ones that are going to remain for our antiterrorism mission, for our northern support mission, for our ability to respond to the Iranians, and to continue to provide support, if called for, for the Iraqis.”

    From her own statements, she does not intend to end the occupation of Iraq. She intends to reduce the size of the military force occupying Iraq. Not what I consider ending the WAR occupation.

    No courage = No $$$ for Dems

    by MO Blue on Sun Apr 15, 2007 at 08:06:07 PM PDT

  •  Health Care and Hillary (0+ / 0-)

    Hillary had courage on health
    care when her husband was president, but where is she now.

    I am a 60 year old cancer patient with a husband who has diabetes.
    My husband was outsourced out of his job and I am too sick too work.  The sad thing is there are millions like my family who  are going deep into debt because they have to continue to pay for health care. Why is it that only
    Edwards has the guts to really talk about the possibility of raising taxes for a right that all Americans (NOT JUST THE RICH)deserve. Where is she on Healthcare for families like mine.  As far as I know she has taken alot of money from interests who will make sure that the HMOs and Pharmaceudical keep making big dollars.

    If I am wrong let her disavow the money and support of corporate interests in favor for people who
    have worked hard all their life only to be become the throw aways of society as they get sick or older.

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