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Guns and social isolation: the Cho in all of us.

Tue Apr 17, 2007 at 11:01:33 AM PDT

"He was a loner, and we're having difficulty finding information about him," said Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker.

How often, in the wake of some apparently senseless rampage, do we hear the killer's neighbors say the cliche: "He kept to himself mostly"?  Well there is truth in cliches.

The human animal craves society -- without it, his limbic system reaches out into the world of fantasy and solipsistic reality, finding solace in theories and bizarre ideas where real human contact should be.  Many of these loners come from perfectly "normal" families and do not necessarily suffer physical or emotional trauma in their childhoods.  Which makes their violent outbursts that much more incomprehensible.  How could this happen?  

Many theories, involving violent video games, Hollywood, godlessness, etc. don't really come close to identifying the reality of what causes an individual to snap and kill everyone he sees.  Lots of normal young people enjoy those games every day and don't mistake the fantasy for reality.  Plenty of atheist or agnostic kids have meaningful friendships and love relationships with their peers.  

I don't know the details why Cho acted as he did.  But if he was like many immigrants I knew at college, cut off from their communities and thrown into a strange universe filled with sexual provocations and language differences, he withdrew into himself rather than find the strength to reach out and make friends.

In such a state of powerlessness, a gun, its physical reality, can be an inspiring totemic object.  Come, take it out of the closet, or from its hiding place under the bed.  Feel its heft, linearity, power.  So many mass produced objects are poorly made, designed to fall apart after a few uses.  Handguns are one of those things that, because of the sobriety of their purpose, must be made well.  It's a matter of life or death.

I remember when the toys I used to play with as a kid were well-made.  A gun hearkens back to those days, when a toys were produced seriously.  A gun is not a toy, in that it is actually better.

I imagine Cho in the days leading up to his actions, taking out his guns, touching them, and thinking -- not necessarily about the killing acts, but about an image of himself amidst the carnage, a self that would finally be able to get through to his peers and teachers.  Killing for Cho might have been a means to an end: that end being: people will finally notice me, acknowledge my power as a human being in the world, as a male projecting maleness.  And they will respect what I can do.  Respect ME.

On top of this, it appears that Cho's violence erupted from a love relationship gone bad.  Well, we don't miss what we lack so much as when we have it for a brief instant, and then it disappears.  Young women are sometimes drawn to loners because they are, in a sense, attractive.  They stand out as having a unique reality which can be very compelling.  For girls without strong males in their life, a guy like Cho can draw them in--but perhaps the girl realized quickly that Cho had too many issues--she understandably got scared, and found someone else, someone better adjusted to society as a whole.  

Maybe that's why he wrote what he did: "you made me do this".  Of course she didn't.  But it was the absence of human contact, after having it for a brief period of time, that pushed him over the edge.

I went to Catholic school as a kid, during a time after "Vatican II" when the church was trying to remarket itself.  Before these reforms, the version of "Hell" we were always taught in elementary school was as a place of eternal fire where you get slow-roasted on hot coals for eternity.  Afterwards, the nuns at my school told us that hell was not God being a sadist--instead it was the state of being "away from God"--being "abandoned by God" that was a greater suffering than any active torture could be.  

I laughed at the notion then, and disbelieve in God today.  But I do know there is a grain of truth to that story of Hell.  Sartre said that "Hell is other people".  But then, so is God.  

Because we did not evolve to be loners--loners get their genes snuffed out, and a healthy individual is defined by his relationships to others.  We are happiest when we are in society, loved and understood by our fellow man.  We may be carried away by flights of imagination, like the poets, but those flights become a nightmare when we cannot share them with others.

This drive is essential in the human animal--to reach out and connect with human animals.  Thwarted by rejection or isolation, that drive will find an exit, be it through a smile, through positive work for good, or through the barrel of a gun.

What events like this should teach us, I think, is not to become hypersensitive about every single expression of violence--either as a joke or as muttered frustration.  What we should look for in our communities are the people who are shut out, keep to themselves, seem depressed or spurn human contact.

These are the ones among us who are suffering--and they will get our attention one way or another, eventually.

But we fear and turn away from such people--they emit to much desperation.  We'd like to be friendly, but.. who knows?  They might attach themselves too much to us, come to rely upon us as their "best friend" or become too needy.  They might lower our own social status by virtue of our association with them.  And we are right to consider these factors, because really, we're all struggling here--to be loved, to be important.

In the context of our own problems, can we really AFFORD to be nice to people who are suffering and alone?

And why should we be held hostage by these social misfits anyway?  Some may ask.  "Do I have to be nice to every single freak just because one day they might lose it and off my whole class?"

The answer, I think, is kindness.  Kindness to your fellow man or woman who is just like you on the inside--a being who craves love, respect, and wants to belong.  You don't have to be their best friend, but you should show them basic awareness and kindness.

Because we all share a common humanity.

UPDATE:

Some more on Cho, the "question mark kid":

Classmates said that on the first day of an introduction to British literature class last year, the 30 or so English students went around and introduced themselves. When it was Cho's turn, he didn't speak.

The professor looked at the sign-in sheet and, where everyone else had written their names, Cho had written a question mark. "Is your name, `Question mark?'" classmate Julie Poole recalled the professor asking. The young man offered little response.

I wonder if our identity, who and what we are, is defined through the ongoing process of our contact with others.  The boundaries of the self, after all, are the edge where others begin.  Some people obviously need less contact with others in order to define themselves - but others require more, and if they can't get that contact, those experiences, for whatever reason, they become a mystery unto themselves.

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  •  I was thinking of writing something like this (3+ / 0-)

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    I'm glad someone else got to it first.

    Daily Kos used to be worthwhile.

    by andgarden on Tue Apr 17, 2007 at 10:59:10 AM PDT

  •  Thanks for the input. (5+ / 0-)

    I know its sort of weird, but when I was in high-school/college I certainly had a lot of frustration communicating with others.  I could express myself quite well in terms of facts and concpets, it was the emotional component of language that I couldn't get across.  I wasn't as isolated, of course, as the Klebolds and Chos, but I did harbor fantasies of dramatic acts--rescue, or the violent defense of the school against invaders, or sheltering people during a nuclear holocaust.

    Now a well-adjusted adult (more or less) I really feel now that its a fine line between those sorts of fantasies that I had, and the ones that more dangerous loners experience.

    My perspective on my experience now is that many of these imaginary narratives where I would "prove" myself to society and win their trust/love/sense of belonging was related to not having close friends.

    "I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords..."

    by pawlr on Tue Apr 17, 2007 at 11:09:29 AM PDT

  •  Considering how little (1+ / 0-)

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    credible information is currently available, this strikes me as quite a leap:

    Maybe that's why he wrote what he did: "you made me do this".  Of course she didn't.  But it was the absence of human contact, after having it for a brief period of time, that pushed him over the edge.

    Actually, it's quite a leap regardless of available information.

    "When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis

    by MsWings on Tue Apr 17, 2007 at 11:12:54 AM PDT

  •  well said. rec'd. (1+ / 0-)

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    It's called the american dream because you have to be asleep to believe it. - G. Carlin

    by RabidNation on Tue Apr 17, 2007 at 11:13:25 AM PDT

  •  The irony of being alone (1+ / 0-)

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    in a world of billions.  

    The answer, I think, is kindness.  Kindness to your fellow man or woman who is just like you on the inside--a being who craves love, respect, and wants to belong.  You don't have to be their best friend, but you should show them basic awareness and kindness.

    Most people in this society don't value respect, dignity, love, kindness, and empathy.... unless it brings them money.

    You pawlr are a rare breed.  I can see it in your words.

    "...one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing. One day it is over his head."

    by adamsrw on Tue Apr 17, 2007 at 11:21:42 AM PDT

  •  I find the "loner" stereotype disturbing (5+ / 0-)

      I know as a fact that a person can be quiet, shy, reclusive, even isolated, and not be a psychopath.  Not everybody in the world has to be an extrovert.  I don't think we need stigmatize shy people as murderers.

      Second, I don't think we can ever take these "loner" statements seriously.  Of course when somebody has committed a murder or other atrocity he suddenly doesn't have any friends.  Nobody is going to want to admit even knowing the guy, let alone being his friend.  But that's not necessarily the way it was before things went south.

      I think we need to look, not at the individual psychology here (the man is dead, after all, and it does no good) as to what the holes were in the system of regulations which ought to prevent people like this -- obviously a psychopath -- from acquiring the means to turn their internal problems into everybody else's problems.  We need a good discussion on that, and unfortunately there are a lot of distractions floating around.

    •  Your discussion is important as well (1+ / 0-)

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      I agree that a discussion of regulations are also very important - and there's room for both.  If you've written anything on the matter, link away.

      Also, I agree with you that not all loners are murderers by any means, and that no one should be stereotyped as a killer or have "red flags" just because they prefer their own company.

      Early reports suggest though, that Cho was indeed unhealthily isolated
      -- people aren't just saying that because didn't want to be associated with him. He also was obviously giving off a host of other warning signs:

      "I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords..."

      by pawlr on Tue Apr 17, 2007 at 11:47:54 AM PDT

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      •  Yes (2+ / 0-)

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          Cho does indeed seem to have had a lot of problems, and should have set the system into action long before.  But many other killers are called "loners" who really aren't.  Of course, a person who goes around all day brooding about how to kill people isn't likely to make a huge number of friends.  But Timothy McVeigh had friends and associates, a small social network of his own -- he was by no means isolated -- and he still blew up the Murragh building (and got called "a loner").  Ted Kaczynski is more of the ultimate type of loner, who deliberately cuts off all communication with the outside world.  But then you could say the same thing about lots of people, from Howard Hughes to J.D. Salinger.  A bit weird?  Sure.  Murderous psychopaths?  Not necessarily.

        •  Agreed (1+ / 0-)

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          The notion that mass murderers are "loners" in general is really a stereotype that's based mostly on entertainment media.  As a result, anybody who's met a mass murderer but never knew him well is going to "remember" him as a loner without realizing that he/she is just quoting from a cultural narrative.

          For example, early on in the investigation of Columbine all the students asked about Harris and Klebold described them as "loners." But as the investigation proceeded, investigators learned that they had a substantial social circle, just not one made up of the Kewl Kidz.

          When the Secret Service attempted in the early '00s to come up with a profile for school shooters (they concluded that they couldn't) one of the facts that came out was that fewer than a third of them could realistically be described as loners.

          Remember also that anybody can be made to look as if they have serious psychopathology if you simply pull isolated incidents from their lives out of context. Clayton Hartwig, falsely accused of causing the explosion on the USS Iowa, had a "profile" that anyone would recognize as "psycho" unless they knew how it had been put together (or had actually known Hartwig).

          I do like conducting hearings in an actual hearing room -- John Conyers

          by ebohlman on Tue Apr 17, 2007 at 01:29:01 PM PDT

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  •  .... (3+ / 0-)

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    people who are shut out, keep to themselves, seem depressed or spurn human contact.

    yikes...does this mean i should expect people beating down my door to "keep me company?" Eff that and spare me the concern! Unplugging my phone now!

    i'm harmless and the vast supermajority of people like me are harmless. We're not the threat---the ones with the untreated mental illnesses are and they are very few.

    Some of us LIKE and PREFER to be by ourselves. Some of us don't like innane irritating small-talk and all the other things extroverts do. our isolated society, sure it's bad, but not for us.

    We will let you know when we want your attention! But until then, leave us alone!

    Central PA Kossacks Austin is a big greeeen fog. (-0.12, -3.33)

    by terrypinder on Tue Apr 17, 2007 at 11:45:53 AM PDT

    •  As a "loner" myself.. (1+ / 0-)

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      I hear you.  This diary is not a plea to stigmatize people who prefer their own company.  

      By kindness, I basically mean -- awareness and the occasional, respectful contact -- not getting in people's faces or bothering them incessantly.

      "I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords..."

      by pawlr on Tue Apr 17, 2007 at 11:50:22 AM PDT

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      •  I think most people can tell (1+ / 0-)

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        I too often prefer to be alone.  And I know plenty of people who feel the same,a dn are fine.  But there are others who give off a different vibe, who you can almost feel the neediness radiating from.  They are nto alone because they choose it, but because they don't know how to make it different.  

        Personally, I feel like at least acknowledging people, with a smile or a nod or even just not averting your eyes, can offer reassurance and contact without being instrusive.

        Of course, that's probably why sometimes I feel like a magnet for unbalanced people.  Sometimes that instant of eye contact can lead to way more contact than I'm prepared to handle.  That was the big shock when I first spent time in a big city, that there can be danger in just being civil and treating others like a human.  So after some truly scary experiences, I backed off for a while.  Until I decided that I'd rather take the risk and not feel like a jerk.

  •  The list includes "stalking some women" (1+ / 0-)

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    The list of things Cho did previously that disturbed people, that is.

    The recent shooting on the Univ of Washington campus here in Seattle was a guy who was after his girlfriend. There was a program on NPR about the whole issue of violence against women, which had some very good information about men who're abusive to women. About a specific type of program for them to participate in, to change.

    One man who'd been in the program was on the show. He talked about how the men would not treat their bosses or friends that way, but somehow believed treating their spouses that way was OK.

    Now a lot of that is digression. But one point the show made -- people need to take more seriously threats of violence against women. To get that it really can be fatal.

    Be good to each other. It matters.

    by AllisonInSeattle on Tue Apr 17, 2007 at 11:56:51 AM PDT

    •  Stalking behaviors (1+ / 0-)

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      and there are a wide range of them, are big warning signs that are often dismissed early on -- social isolation is also sexual isolation.  I wonder if the more cut off a male is from nurturing, two-way relationships in life, the more likely he is to fixate on an external object of attraction.  

      Yes, its objectification, but a rarified form - males do it all the time, but those who are socialized enough to communicate with women can get beyond it and "be normal".  The stalker doesn't have the social adaptiveness to "break through the wall" and connect with the object of his attentions so he goes to greater and more desperate lengths to get attention.

      To truly "be normal" and not be a stranger, a guy has to introduce himself - but if he's just a question mark, how can he introduce himself if he doesn't even know who he is?

      Its a real problem..

      "I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords..."

      by pawlr on Tue Apr 17, 2007 at 12:14:04 PM PDT

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      •  Did you see Dan Savage's article after Columbine? (0+ / 0-)

        It's really amazing. I don't know if it's directly related, but I always suspect bullying in cases where kids are isolated enough to head down paths like you describe.

        Once a loner -- often you get pecked at, and worse by the other kids. Then there are the kids who have been beaten to a pulp by one or both parents. Or sexually abused and via that, taught that sex is obtained by forcing another person to comply.

        At any rate, here's Dan, he gave me permission to quote the whole thing, "Fear the Geek":

        FEAR THE GEEK
                 Littleton's Silver Lining
                 by Dan Savage

        The tenth or eleventh time DanCBS/PeterABC/TomNBC told me the massacre in Littleton, Colorado was especially horrific because it happened in a high school, "somewhere children feel safe," I started screaming at the television. What high school were they talking about? I went to three, and in none of my high
        schools did I for a moment feel safe. High school was terrifying, and it was the casual cruelty of the popular kids -- the jocks and the princesses -- that made it hell.

        "Once upon a time," People wrote in a manipulative and dishonest cover story, "the most that kids had to worry about at school was a looming test or a deadline for a paper." What fairy-tale time was that, exactly? In high school, I had much more to worry about than tests and papers. Like most students, I lived in fear of the small slights and public humiliations used to reinforce the rigid high school caste system: poor girls were sluts, soft boys were fags. And at each of my schools, there were students who lived in daily fear of physical violence.

        There was a boy named Marty at my second school, Saint Gregory the Great, who was beaten up daily for four years. Jocks would rip his clothes knowing his parents couldn't afford to buy him a new uniform, and he would piss his pants rather than risk being caught alone in the bathroom. He couldn't walk the halls without being called a fag, and freshmen would beat him up to impress the older kids. Teachers, presumably the caretakers in this so-called safe environment, knew what was going on -- some even witnessed the abuse -- and did nothing to stop it.

        Even tho I have permission, it's long, so here's the URL for original story:

        http://www.thestranger.com/...

        Be good to each other. It matters.

        by AllisonInSeattle on Tue Apr 17, 2007 at 07:21:40 PM PDT

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  •  Nice to see someone with nuanced discussion (0+ / 0-)

    of the subject. Thanks.

    Be good to each other. It matters.

    by AllisonInSeattle on Tue Apr 17, 2007 at 11:58:52 AM PDT

  •  The Cho In All Of Us? (0+ / 0-)

    What you mean "we", kemosabe?

    I might be a grumpy old loner, but it never occurred to me to shoot a bunch of people to make me feel better.

    Hige sceal že heardra, heorte že cenre, mod sceal že mare, že ure męgen lytlaš

    by milkbone on Tue Apr 17, 2007 at 12:24:21 PM PDT

    •  Granted (2+ / 0-)

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      but my point is - Cho - and the many people like him still alive in the world - was not just a crazed monster who wiped out over 30 lives.  As a human being, he shared a similar emotional reality with every person - he sought love, feared, was rejected, experienced sexual desire, the pain of loss.

      In fact, I'd wager he committed acts of kindness in his own life, too.

      "I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords..."

      by pawlr on Tue Apr 17, 2007 at 12:36:33 PM PDT

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  •  just a random comment, not really contributing (2+ / 0-)

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    any insight, but... am I the only one here who thinks that Cho is a real-life Travis Bickle (the protagonist of "Taxi Driver")?

    And not that I'd be feeling thrilled otherwise, but it REALLY ruined my day to find out that he's of Korean descent (as am I).

    •  I wouldn't take it personally-- (2+ / 0-)

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      we're all pretty much in the same boat when it comes to the important things.

    •  Yeah well (1+ / 0-)

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      imagine the guilt you could carry thinking about all the things out-of-control Caucasians have done. I can't really even go there to start a list, too horrifying.

      Be good to each other. It matters.

      by AllisonInSeattle on Tue Apr 17, 2007 at 07:24:00 PM PDT

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    •  Perhaps off or on topic (0+ / 0-)

      Did you read the article that said his Korean grandparents said that he wouldn't talk as a child in Korea?

      That just boggles my mind -- and certainly points to a deep-seated problem, in my mind, one which certainly transcends race, culture, country, etc. It's a rare child of any race who's disturbed enough to have opted out before 8 years of age.

      Be good to each other. It matters.

      by AllisonInSeattle on Thu Apr 19, 2007 at 04:35:05 AM PDT

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      •  that's interesting (1+ / 0-)

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        I had heard reports elsewhere that he might have been schizophrenic.  But if he'd been showing signs as a child, that would indicate that schizophrenia isn't the explanation (at least not the complete one), because schizophrenia doesn't kick in until around late teens or early 20s.  

        Maybe he was very mildly, borderline autistic?  Autism is certainly not a DIRECT cause of causing people to go on killing sprees, but it could very well have caused the social isolation that caused the guy to go insane and snap.

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