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Martial Law: a New Conspiracy Theory

Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 05:37:38 AM PDT

Just when you thought it was safe to see the 9/11 conspiracy die down, there’s a new doozy being floated out there.  I first heard it at one of those liberal confabs that goes on all the time by a guy at the conference who I've run into before at other political events and, I thought, should know better.

Anyway, this new conspiracy theory – what I will call the "Martial Law Conspiracy" - goes something like this:

The reason that Pelosi and Reid took impeachment off the table in the wake of the 2006 elections is because Bush met with them privately and threatened that if there were impeachment proceedings that he would disband Congress and declare martial law.  Thus, the Democrats are now too afraid to pursue impeachment proceedings against Bush.

Now, it’s not that I don’t think that the Bushies wouldn’t try to do something like that.  I think it's obvious to everyone by now that Bush, Cheney, and rest of these traitors are not above anything to save their own skins.  Nor do I think it’s impossible for the Dems to knuckle under to the fascist-in-chief.  After all, they’ve done it on multiple occasions (though only while they were the minority party).

But why the Martial Law Conspiracy is a laughable one is due to the political realities facing Bush in the real world, not to mention their inability to actually pull off such a cockamamie scheme.  

One can imagine this very real response from Pelosi and Reid to Bush’s hypothetical threat:

"Mr. President, your party just got its ass handed to it.  Worse than anything that's happened to us in one election since... well, ever.  Even most of the Republicans that did survive are running as fast as they can away from anything you have to say.  And make no mistake, that’s not as a result of the 'liberal media' or 'the terrorists' – it’s because of you losing Iraq, Bin Laden, and New Orleans".

Pelosi patiently explains.  "Your approval ratings sit somewhere in the mid 30s and it doesn’t look like you’ll be getting a 'man of the year' award anytime soon.  But aside from all that, let me just ask you...  how do you plan to carry out this threat you’ve just made?  I mean, how does this Martial Law idea work logistically?"

"The way we see it, your order to disband Congress will be ridiculed by the media as an obvious way to avoid your eminent impeachment.  They will not support it.  The American people will not either.  And since nearly all of our armed forces are bogged down in your failed military adventures, you have no way to enforce your Martial Law.  Our party now controls over half the governorships right now.  We will make sure that no Democratic governors obey your directives.  Your only hope would be an intervention by the Supreme Court, ruling that what you were proposing was legal and necessary.  That is highly unlikely.  At best you get three votes in support of this nonsense.  Those three judges, by the way, will be removed and tried for treason - as will you – after things calm down.  Seeing the political crisis and realizing that your administration is doomed, the Joint Chiefs will most likely order all American field commanders to halt operations until the domestic situation is resolved.  You should know too that in the event things do not unfold as we predict, we still hold an ace card – a general strike.  One that, to be fair, will probably only be followed by about 25% of the country’s workers, but which is still enough to bring the country to a standstill.  Especially in the key points of the economy where our union allies still have influence: the transportation industry.  Once aircraft mechanics, pilots, attendants, dockworkers, and truckers decide not to go to work, the market crashes.  At which point, your party’s financial backers decide you’re not worth the risk anymore and throw you to the wolves.  The Achilles Heel of conservative ideology, greed, will ironically do you in Mr. President, as your strongest supporters use their influence in the media to demand that you be immediately removed from office so that they can keep their fortunes".

Pelosi leans forward.  "Now, where that leaves you, the Vice-President, and your staff is hunkered down in the White House with a contingent of Secret Service agents who may follow your orders or who may just as well arrest the whole lot of you.  In any case, Capitol Police and National Guard units from surrounding states will breach the White House by any means necessary and place you and all responsible parties under arrest for crimes of high treason against the United States of America.  Due to the chain of command and the rule of law, the House Majority leader – myself – will assume the duties of the president.  I will appoint an interim attorney general to lead the case against you and your co-conspirators and I can assure you that the state will be seeking the death penalty for the nature of your crimes."

Reid sits back in his chair.  "Now, Mr. President, having told us your intentions and us sharing with you what we strongly feel will be the likely response, and since you’ve revealed your threat in the presence of witnesses, the question I’d like to ask you is this:  would you like to tender your resignation now or after we’ve reported this threat to the American people?  We’ll give you ten seconds to decide."

Know the playing field, my conspiratorial friends.  Don’t think that the Bushies haven’t already pondered trying this – they know what will happen.

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  •  Never happened. Never could happen. (5+ / 0-)

    This conspiracy theory is as idiotic as "Arlington Road."

  •  Actually this is why Blackwater is so dangerous. (7+ / 0-)

    Fortunately they are all tied up in Iraq doing god-knows-what (probably another conspiracy there hiding under that rock).

    Gives a slightly new meaning to "fighting them over there, so we don't have to fight them over here".

    It should be a felony to put fine print in a bill that contradicts the stated purpose of the bill. But then all of Congress would go to prison.

    by toddpw on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 05:42:30 AM PDT

    •  Conspiracy theories are so much fun! (7+ / 0-)

      If I were to add some baseless coincidence to the conspiracy theory fire, I'd throw out something like the following.

      Declaring martial law would be so much easier if you could send all your non-koolaid drinking troops and national guards people to Iraq along with all of their equipment.  

      States would then essentially be defenseless against a federal army made up of fanatics.  Good thing there aren't any diaries on how the extremists  extremists are involved in the military.

      But you'd really need an excuse to declare martial law.  So you'd want to work with other repressive regimes in the world to perhaps invest heavily in America by buying US dollars.  At the same time print as many US dollars as possible at home but stop publishing the statistics of how much money you're printing.

      When the time is ripe, have the dollar take a plunge and become worthless. Collapse the dollar, collapse the country. So much cheaper for China to eliminate a rival super power by spending a trillion this way instead of fighting an actual war. Especially when that $trillion is coming from your opponent.  

      (Any conspiracy theorists  spending time investing in community bartering/time banking systems as well as old fashioned home gardening?)

      Formerly of Los Angeles, now in the FL Panhandle(Lower Alabama) I blog at ThisIsWhatDemocracyLooksLike.com

      by Thom K in LA on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 06:36:25 AM PDT

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    •  They are not all tied up in Iraq. (1+ / 0-)

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      They are expanding.

      While I don't subscribe to the conspiracy theory, I don't like that they are opening training camps in Illinois & California.

      All my peeves are my pets.

      by yinn on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 08:55:39 AM PDT

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  •  One word-blackwater (4+ / 0-)

    How big an army will they have by 08?

    "Though the Mills of the Gods grind slowly,Yet they grind exceeding small."

    by Owllwoman on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 05:46:57 AM PDT

    •  I don't think (0+ / 0-)

      they have much in the way of aircraft, tanks, missiles or artillery however.

      •  They've got more than you do....n/t (1+ / 0-)

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        Unduna

        "The meek shall inherit nothing" - F. Zappa

        by cometman on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 09:11:06 AM PDT

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        •  Pointless (0+ / 0-)

          comment. The issue is could they act as a private army of Bush's in furtherance of an armed suppression of congress. The answer is surely no, since Blackwater is no match for the US military. That they have more firepower than I have is of absolutely no relevance whatsoever.

          •  History shows us that armies are ultimately loyal (1+ / 0-)

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            to whomever is paying them.  

            I'm not trying to say that Bush is going to try anything that the diarist mentioned.  But to those who think 'It can't happen here', I would suggest looking a little bit closer at current events.  We already have Blackwater troops roaming the streets of one major US city, and Halliburton has a large contract to build huge detention facilities on US soil.  We have Guantanamo and a whole network of secret prisons/torture facilities worldwide, and electronic surveillance is being used on US citizens as we speak.

            Bush may not ever give the order to impose martial law, but the apparatus for making it happen seems to be already in place. If it stays in place, someone is going to find it useful eventually....

            "The meek shall inherit nothing" - F. Zappa

            by cometman on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 09:43:15 AM PDT

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  •  I swear. Rove must have a special (0+ / 0-)

    outfit that does nothing but seed loonie theories to the Rosie O'Donnels of the world.

  •  maybe loonie (1+ / 0-)

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    but I was surprised to hear a very reasonable and knowledgeable friend say yesterday that he doesn't think that Bushco will give up the reins in '08, regardless of what the numbers say. When I asked him how could that be, his answer was "martial law."
      Personally I am afraid the computer will elect Giuliani and continue the mob-work that way.

  •  this is not a new theory (10+ / 0-)

    it goes more along the lines of stuff Bush has actually done. It has a base in some real facts, not that GW could pull it off.

    If you google National Emergency, you will see that all Bush has to do is send a letter to both Houses of Congress and he can declare Martial War for 90 days. It is the law.

    The Patriot Acts called for the forming of a National Police Force. Why ?

    Many people believe Cheney is really running this country, not Bush and that could very well be true.

    To not be aware of these ideas is as foolish thinking Ike was wrong when he gave his famous speech. Our own Constitution calls on use to be forever vigilant. Nobody ever believes a coup could happen till after the fact. I'm not saying I believe every CT out there, but I am prepared to listen.

    -8.63 -7.28 We all have to be concerned about terrorism, but you will never end terrorism by terrorizing others.~Martin Luther King III

    by OneCrankyDom on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 06:09:40 AM PDT

  •  Chertoffs OpEd today (4+ / 0-)

    isn't quite as subtle.

    Since Sept. 11, a conspiracy-minded fringe has claimed that American officials plotted the destruction. But when scholars such as Zbigniew Brzezinski accuse our leaders of falsely depicting or hyping a "war on terror" to promote a "culture of fear," it's clear that historical revisionism has gone mainstream.

    Brzezinski stated the obvious in describing terrorism as a tactic, not an enemy ["Terrorized by 'War on Terror,' Outlook, March 25]. But this misses the point. We are at war with a global movement and ideology whose members seek to advance totalitarian aims through terrorism. Brzezinski is deeply mistaken to mock the notion that we are at war and to suggest that we should adopt "more muted reactions" to acts of terrorism.

    I wouldn't call Brzezinski a CT Nut would you ?Chertoff

    -8.63 -7.28 We all have to be concerned about terrorism, but you will never end terrorism by terrorizing others.~Martin Luther King III

    by OneCrankyDom on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 06:14:57 AM PDT

  •  Well, I've had similiar thought myself (7+ / 0-)

    and I wouldn't consider myself a looney fringe.  Everything you say would be correct if Bush issued such a directive today.  Clearly, that wouldn't work and unless they were facing untold desparation from other quarters, I can't imagine that Rove et al doesn't already know this.

    However....consider the way 9/11 changed everything in the country - most importantly what the public accepts in their desire to be "safe".

    Bush still holds almost 1/3 of the public, considerably more of the media, and still has arguably the most effective spin machine in political history. Were this country to suffer another devastating attack, Bush would regain another quarter of the of the public and most of the media.  Nationalism would again spike (and along with that, an increase in military volunteering). Then the spin would kick in and we would be told - over and over and over - from the loudest microphone in the world that Bush's action were for our own good and necessary to keep us safe.

    I am not convinced it would work.  There has to be SOME point at which the American people would take to the street and defy the government, but respect for and compliance with the government is part of our national psyche. It would be almost unimaginable for most to defy any President to that extent.

    The reason this conspiracy theory has caused me to ponder it for more than a minute are the careful plans that appear to have been quietly put into place. Blackwater. The excuse of immigration to wall off the lower US. The requirement for government approval for US citizens to leave the country. Throwing out old restrictions on marshall law and the use of the military within the US (not to mention the spying, listening, peeking, and recording that the public has largely ACCEPTED). And the placement of obedient, minimally competent idealogues throughout the executive branch.  They will follow any order. They won't argue.  And they will never be any real threat to the admin's power.  

    This could not happen in one fell swoop. It will happen in steps and many many people would not be able to see it coming up to the very last minute.

    •  I think you may be right (1+ / 0-)

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      Unduna

      before I read your post I was thinking the exact same thing--Bu$hCo does still have the die-hard thirty-percenters, and the corporate media is still, well, the corporate media. As long as Bu$hCo still helps the corporations get rich, they'll always have the corporate media.

      There is one thing nobody else has mentioned yet, though. Supposing they did call martial law, who here thinks that Americans would really rise up in the streets? After all, Democrats, liberals, and progressives are better known as pacifists then militamen, and are more prone to banning guns than stockpiling them.And even if the radical wingnut libertarians who do like to join militias were to stand and fight, how long does anyone think they'd last against tanks? If something like martial law were to come down, the only hope we'd have is a coup by officers and soldiers who refused to follow illegal orders.

      It's not really so implausible. This kind of thing has happened over and over throughout history. It's the height of naivete to say "It can't happen here".

      Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

      by drewfromct on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 07:05:47 AM PDT

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      •  you might be surprised by the number (1+ / 0-)

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        of liberals I know that have bought some form of protection since Bush took office, just in case.

        -8.63 -7.28 We all have to be concerned about terrorism, but you will never end terrorism by terrorizing others.~Martin Luther King III

        by OneCrankyDom on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 07:26:30 AM PDT

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        •  Who (1+ / 0-)

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          if they try this will soon be six feet out of Bush's way.

          Best Wishes, Demena Economic Left/Right: -8.38
 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.36

          by Demena on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 08:39:26 AM PDT

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          •  Yes and no (0+ / 0-)

            The liberals who JUST bought their guns haven't the foggiest what to do with them.  That's why I specifically advised a friend who was thinking of it to stop thinking that way and expand his significantly competent work in propaganda via local community TV instead.  Civilians don't belong behind triggers.

            The libertarian fringe might surprise you.  Just one person with a copy of Kurt Saxon's delightful guide to dealing with the next Martian invasion could possibly destroy Washington DC as a functioning capital city.  Tanks can be dealt with, although this new "area interdiction" weapon sounds NASTY.  But there are some simple and obvious moves that anyone with the slightest history in Nam could come up with ... and I'm not going to give either side ideas by spelling them out.  I will say that Bush is lucky that my father is dead and my ex-husband moved to Canada in disgust.  But there are plenty more where they came from.  And the military, ex-military, and even Blackwater could be sources. Remember that no one is as cordially detested by soldiers as an incompetent CO.

    •  Only one thing (0+ / 0-)

      the last minute is now.

      Best Wishes, Demena Economic Left/Right: -8.38
 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.36

      by Demena on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 08:38:27 AM PDT

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    •  And don't forget that Halliburton.... (0+ / 0-)

      has already got contracts to build huge detention centers on US soil, 'just in case'....

      http://realcostofprisons.org/...

      "The meek shall inherit nothing" - F. Zappa

      by cometman on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 09:15:01 AM PDT

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  •  Nice Try - No Cigar (2+ / 0-)

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    this can be filed in the feeble but famous excuse making category similar to:

    1.) the dog ate my homework.

    the notion that the democrats really, really want to impeach smirky is a joke. they don't and they don't need to fabricate some outrageous and bogus excuse as to why they don't have the BALLS to do it.

    if indeed smirky made this threat, that should be the impetus to PROCEED with impeachmen, not back off like a bunch of chickenshits.

    if bush is making this threat, then why are some state legislatures proceeding with suggesting articles of impeachment?

    is bush going to threaten them?

    gimme a break.

    STOP making excuses for a feeble and nearly useless democratic congress.

    "Cigna cannot decide who is going to live and who is going to die." -- Nataline's mother

    by Superpole on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 06:27:03 AM PDT

    •  Watch CSpan Much? (0+ / 0-)

      "Stop making excuses for a feeble and nearly useless democratic congress."  

      And your reasoning for this comes after hours of watching the House and Senate on CSpan?  If so, we must have alternative versions on the TV.

      "Man's life's a vapor Full of woe. He cuts a caper, Down he goes. Down de down de down he goes.

      by JFinNe on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 06:36:36 AM PDT

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      •  OK, Enlighten Me (1+ / 0-)

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        I guess you're implying the democrats are "getting a lot done".

        like what for example?

        1.) stopping the fiasco in Iraq and Afghanistan? Not.

        2.) prison reform? Not.

        3.) health care for the 40 some million Americans who don't have coverage? Not.

        4.) adequate funding for alternative energy for homes, businesses and transportation? Not.

        5.) Repair of our nation's infrastructure. (the ASCE states in their report we need to spend over a Trillion dollars to repair our nation's infrastructure.) Not.

        I could go on, but you get the point.

        "Cigna cannot decide who is going to live and who is going to die." -- Nataline's mother

        by Superpole on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 06:43:27 AM PDT

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        •  they haven't had the time yet (2+ / 0-)

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          to do any of the things you just throw out there. Not to mention we have a Republican President that won't sign most the bill we put in front of him.

          -8.63 -7.28 We all have to be concerned about terrorism, but you will never end terrorism by terrorizing others.~Martin Luther King III

          by OneCrankyDom on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 07:28:39 AM PDT

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          •  Haven't Had Time Yet...? (0+ / 0-)

            how much time does congress need? 100 years?

            example: the first hint we as a nation were vulnerable on the fossil fuel issue was 1973.

            repeat: 1973.

            thirty four years ago.

            WHAT has congress done to deal with this issue?

            I rest my case.

            the "it takes time" excuse is bullshit, BOGUS.

            "Cigna cannot decide who is going to live and who is going to die." -- Nataline's mother

            by Superpole on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 05:39:48 PM PDT

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      •  What has the Congress actually done? (3+ / 0-)

        Seems like they cave to Bush on everything important, yet throw us a bone every now and then, expecting us to be good lil Democrats the same way your dog waits obediently for scraps from the table.

        The truth is that on every important issue that could actually make a significant difference in how our country is run the Democratic Leadership votes against us.

        Where is universal healthcare?
        Where are safe and secure elections?
        Where is public campaign financing?
        Where is an end to the already lost Iraq War?

        Formerly of Los Angeles, now in the FL Panhandle(Lower Alabama) I blog at ThisIsWhatDemocracyLooksLike.com

        by Thom K in LA on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 06:44:10 AM PDT

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        •  You apparently do not watch CSpan (1+ / 0-)

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          With even 60 votes and in less than three months, perhaps your issues would have been at least discussed.  When the Republicans vote down discussing a discussion, things move like a rampaging sloth.

          I guess it is not enough that in less than three months, the Democrats are bringing to attention, the greed, corruption and imcompetence, misuse of The Rule of Law, the subjugation of the DOJ, isn't enough.

          "Man's life's a vapor Full of woe. He cuts a caper, Down he goes. Down de down de down he goes.

          by JFinNe on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 07:08:36 AM PDT

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          •  If the republicans in the minority... (2+ / 0-)

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            can block discussion this easily, then why the hell did the Patriot act,bankruptcy reform, Clear skies, medicare 'reform',and every other egregious piece of shit legislation the republicans wanted passed get passed when dems were in the minority?  Why didn't they block discussions and do whatever necessary to stop these bills which took away the rights of and were harmful to the average voter?

            Until someone can explain this simple fact to me, I will continue to assume that the reason these bills were passed is that there were enough 'Democrats' who wanted them passed.

            "The meek shall inherit nothing" - F. Zappa

            by cometman on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 09:21:46 AM PDT

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            •  Numbers (0+ / 0-)

              I tried to Google the numbers of House and Senate Republicans won and lost and the numbers for the Democrats.  My Google questions didn't get me answers but the numbers are out there to be found.  And therein lies your answer.  

              "Man's life's a vapor Full of woe. He cuts a caper, Down he goes. Down de down de down he goes.

              by JFinNe on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 10:43:21 AM PDT

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            •  Correct, and BTW (1+ / 0-)

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              your Frank Zappa sig quote sums it all up rather succinctly.

              democrats in congress are WEEEEEAK; about as weak as it gets for any sort of credible political party.

              "Cigna cannot decide who is going to live and who is going to die." -- Nataline's mother

              by Superpole on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 05:41:59 PM PDT

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        •  Just one example of what we have done (0+ / 0-)

          Leahy has blocked $55.2 million in military aid to Uribe, who has been linked to right-wing paramilitary death squads that have targeted progressive political leaders for assassination.

          and btw Gore  just recently refused to share a stage with Uribe because of his rep.

          -8.63 -7.28 We all have to be concerned about terrorism, but you will never end terrorism by terrorizing others.~Martin Luther King III

          by OneCrankyDom on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 07:45:36 AM PDT

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          •  $55.2 Million? (0+ / 0-)

            BFD.

            what's the total U.S. arm sales around the world each year? It's in the billions.

            $55.2 Million is chickenfeed in a game this large.

            "Cigna cannot decide who is going to live and who is going to die." -- Nataline's mother

            by Superpole on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 05:43:36 PM PDT

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        •  And you expected all that in... (1+ / 0-)

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          four months? Dern. Those would be good lil Dems.

          "In all chaos there is a cosmos, in all disorder, a secret order." Carl Jung

          by Unduna on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 09:17:39 AM PDT

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  •  riiiight … (0+ / 0-)

    And so, Pelosi & Reid are too scared to go public with this threat? Uh-huh. Right. If this "theory" is so laughable, why did you spend so much time on this absurd dialogue?

    Jeez, i can't wait until your book comes out.

    "They're telling us something we don't understand"
    General Charles de Gaulle, Mai '68

    by subtropolis on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 06:48:39 AM PDT

  •  So, you heard about it from.... (0+ / 0-)

    'I first heard it at one of those liberal confabs
    that goes on all the time, by a guy...'
    Uh huh.

    And, sounds to me that you may not have a very firm
    grasp on what 'martial law' could look like if it
    is ever declared in this country.
    You keep referring to all manner of governmental
    and press functions, continuing to hum along as
    normal.
    Harry Reid is going to assume all kinds of power and
    new responsibilities...from where, his confinement
    at an undisclosed location?
    The supreme court will rule blah blah blah, again, from where? You think they'll just be sitting over at the supreme court building handing out rulings, and the 'martial law' government will just throw their hands up, and say 'ok, you ruled...we'll cancel the martial law...ty'.
    You say the press will never accept this, and will
    spread some kind of message? How, when they are shut
    down.

    I am not arguing that this is a realistic
    possibilty, but do you even know what martial law is?!

    Great scenario you laid out. Time to power up your
    thinking cap a little.
    And maybe you should attend a few more 'liberal confabs', and talk to some more 'guys'.

  •  I don't think they have any intention of going. (1+ / 0-)

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    Anywhere.  Now whatever falls under that rubric is a matter of conjecture.  But they, the present Shitheads in Charge, have been planning this One-Party party for a very long time, and are just insane, feckless, and sociopathic enough to do anything they can get away with in order to party on.
    CTs can get out of hand, it's true, but they, Smirkey's Minions, are a sort of living definition of a CT.  

    Impeachment ought to be the first, middle, and last thing on the damn table.

    These are despicable people, and they do despicable things. Mario Cuomo

    by sally lambert on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 08:02:49 AM PDT

  •  Do you know what a fascist is? (0+ / 0-)

    Thanks for debunking this conspiracy theory, but you don't come off looking much better than your misguided friend.

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