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[UPDATE JUNE 2008: I will be updating this EV list soon (here) as there are now quite a few changes and additions to the serious freeway speed EVs that will be on the market by 2010. The prices here are $6000 under the projected prices currently as that amendment got killed by John McCain's mighty veto pen when he did not show up for the cloturevote]

Unlike when we shifted unconsciously from horses to horsepower we can mold the future with intelligent design and save our dear planet into the bargain. What could be nicer.

If you love your planet, your next vehicle is simply not going to have a combustion engine.
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Any more than your next fridge would have a combustion engine.

Unlike when we shifted unconsciously from horses to horsepower we can mold the future with intelligent design and save our dear planet into the bargain. What could be nicer.

If you love your planet, your next vehicle is simply not going to have a combustion engine.
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Any more than your next fridge would have a combustion engine. As the Union of Concerned Scientists say if we don't stop farting fumes we will destroy our climate, and as a fellow kossack saysthe internal combustion engine vehicle keeps running out of gas besides. Its just faulty.

Even the Prius.

This week Senator Hatch (R!) joined with Democrats to offer a bill that subsidizes $6,000 - + up to $40,000 - off electric vehicles!

Catalogued below, the first EVs coming...

April 19th, 2007--Washington – During a Senate Finance Committee hearing on transportation energy issues today, committee members Sens. Maria Cantwell (D-Wash.) and Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) highlighted their bipartisan effort together with Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) to begin a shift in our nation’s transportation sector away from conventional liquid fuels and toward electrons.

If adopted this would:

The CLEAR ACT offers this subsidy of $6000 in the form of a base credit of $4,000 and an incremental credit of $2,000 for vehicles with extended range or payload capabilities on vehicles that utilize stored energy from plug-in rechargeable batteries, offer zero emissions and are not dependent upon petroleum-based fuels.

Just so you know what civilized countries do in the face of doom, the Japanese government created their hybrid industry with 50% subsidies:  they get serious about encouraging green automakers. Not that $6000 off isn't nice (the up to $40000 is for humungous commercial vans and trucks: see below)

But thats why we planetary citizens will have to work all the harder to make up for our own bathtub-sized government, and contact all these Good Samaritans and push them to do the right thing, and faster: so I have included contact links.

Speaking of contact links, the most important one is to call this Republican Senator today (202) 224 3121 ask For Senator Hatch's office, and offer your kudos for encouraging green car buying with  this CLEAN ACT, and make sure the other Republican Senators know how to vote on it! You know the Republicans are following Inohofe down the tubes, so you need to really let those few that do show some glimmerings of intelligence on this know that it actually matters to voters that we save ourselves from certain planetary doom...

Because all electric vehicles finally will leave the entertaining world of fantasy like these
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deux voitures electriques de Venturi(UPDATE: See comments: this second Venturi - the eclectic, is actually now available, priced in Euros below)
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and science experiments, fabulous as they are
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and hopped-up go-carts
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and become reality in the next few years. EVs really are rebounding!
We must do whatever we can to encourage everyone we know to pick the clean option next time, and this subsidy sure helps that.

I have compiled this pricelist with speed and range (how far it can go before a recharge) for those of us who can possibly avoid buying a new car till 2009 when the first of the freeway speed EVs will actually start to come online, and what they will cost after the $6000 subsidy, and where to contact each company to cajole, encourage, redesign, boycott, get on the waiting list or otherwise influence the future of the automobile.

So please contact these companies plentifully and often and you will be able to tell your grandkids what you did right to save the planet by redirecting our most filthy industry to sustainability. Let these companies know there's interest. A lot of what we see coming online now is because of the mandates back in the 90's, and if we don't pick up the ball this time it could be killed again. Heres the options divided into 2 categories, freeway speed and non freeway speed capable(NeighbourhoodEVs), of every EV available by 2009, sorted by impending reality (others seem more like pie in the sky.)

First to dispell some lingering misconceptions about EVs:

  1. Yes coal currently supplies elecricity but even if every electron is coalfired (and in no state is it that bad) still EVs are cleaner than gasoline cars: longwinded source and second opinion summarises:EV = 100 lbs v ICE = 3000 lbs of CO2 from internal combustion engined vehicles
  1. No you don't need to add coal plants because currently unused extra night-time capacity will recharge EVs: source
  1. Some states like California now or soon will use lots of green energy now so grid tied EVs will be greener already: source
  1. No homegrown fueled (switchgrass, corn, cellulosic)vehicles researched because water shortages will become a problem with climate change, and any fuel that needs water will compete with our survival needs for water: horrific example from our future newsclippings: Australias present.  
  1. And you can install your own solar garage to power your own car, and don't you think parking building entrepreneurs would jump into that market to recharcge while you are at work?

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OK? Doubts all dispelled? Let the catalogue begin!

Freeway capable EVs available by 2009:

Already passed their crash tests: Tesla! Phoenix!

Regulatory hurdles are immense as I found in talking with the ZAP dealer in Alameda. At first, the sheer cost is tremendous. In part because they take fully built vehicles and keep smashing them into a wall. (And then throwing them away.) How many times you have to do that just depends on the results. That is in part why so many makers of EVs have either stopped short of anything or stayed under the regulatory wire by sticking to 3-wheeled or low-speed vehicles (NEVs). I don't think all the regulatory hurdles are innocent. The big automakers probably see them as an effective deterrant to any upstarts. So three cheers for these first two upstarts past the testing line!
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IMPORTANT NOTE ON PRICES: AFTER THE $6000 SUBSIDY

Tesla Roadster  $84000
130 mph 200 mile range
Contact:CEO Eberhard via his blog about the Tesla to make sure he can withstand Detroit and apologise for this diaryist
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who doesn't know any better than to put Tesla on the same page with 3 wheel neighbourhood electric vehicles and pie in the sky like the Chevy Volt, when the Tesla Roadster has now passed their first crash tests! Tesla is Queen of the new EVs.

The second model code name: White Star, scheduled for 2008 will be a sporty four door family car at roughly half the price point of the Tesla Roadster and the third model will be even more affordable... all free cash flow is plowed back into R&D to drive down the costs and bring the follow on products to market as fast as possible. When someone buys the Tesla Roadster sports car, they are actually helping pay for development of the low cost family car.
All 3 will be freeway capable (duh!) and be gradually more within the pocketbook range we need to get every single one of us out of our CO2 fume farter.

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Phoenix SUT $39000
110 mph 250 miles range
Contact:Ask Phoenix if you have to be buying a whole fleet to purchase a Phoenix in 2007, like Californias electric utility PG&E just did,
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but Phoenix will release a consumer version of its zero-emission, freeway-speed, green vehicle in late 2008.
June 2007: heres the first photos of the SUV version
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Nearly there freeway speed EVs:Have not passed the expensive crash tests yet, or in some other way not slated for 2009 but beginning to seem possible

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ZAP-X $55000
155 mph 350 mile range
Contact:Check with these ZAP dealerships to see how soon this non-NEV ZAP is coming along. Like the Tesla, this body is by Lotus designs, which seems to be becoming the way you build a non-Detroit car business.
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ZAP just got a $78 million dollar order which will help them get to this freeway speed vehicle, even though they have only been making the NEVs (listed below) till now.

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Miles Javlon XS500 $24000
80 mph 150 mile range
Contact:Ask CEO Miles why is he still just making NEV vans when we all need this well priced freeway speed car. And to hurry! Great price!
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The Javlon design is not finalised but will beby Pininfarina the Donna Karan of elegant design in the autoworld. Can't help thinking that since CEO Miles comes from the fashion industry, this won't be an ugly car. Before you laugh, contrast this with the predictable business-model coming from Detroit. Many of the new auto industry CEOs come from or are funded by the dotcom industry. And they are primarily motivated by green thinking.

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Subaru R1e
62 mph 50 mile range
Contact:Ask when we can buy it here (they welcome feedback!)
Although only available in Japan this year it is their Global Warming Prevention Award
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winner in Japan and so it may very well be slated for export to us, just as the Prius 1997 to 2000 model was originally sold only in Japan, with those generous 50% government subsidies.

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Smart $6000 - $12000
70 mph 50 mile range
Contact:Beg them for the EV version
(If you can't wait for them to bring out the EV version order your proto for $34000 direct from Hybrid Technologies)
Less-fuelish vehicles also get a subsidy and this (ugh: gasoline version) gets 40 mpg. Although currently this is not an EV they are testing this as an EV with 200 cars in the UK, so NOW is the time to go to their site and plead for this to be available here too as the EV version! Tell them you will NEVER buy a gasoline car again.
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The tiny car made by DaimlerChrysler AG already sells in Europe and Canada and is scheduled to arrive in the U.S. market in the first quarter of 2008.
...the entry-level Smart ForTwo starts under $12,000, the ForTwo coupe is less than $14,000 and the ForTwo Cabriolet is priced under $17,000.
More than 46,000 people have registered on the Smart Car Web site and asked to be updated on an ongoing basis as the vehicle's launch date nears. The company estimates there will be between about 50 to 70 dealers ready to sell Smart cars in the first part of 2008.

EV Version: 72-100 mile range - fleet testing only in the uk as of June 2007
Powered solely by electricity, and chargeable from any three-pin socket, the smart ev can achieve the equivalent of 300 mpg – that amounts to a saving of up to 80% in fuel costs over the already highly economical smart fortwo. The ev can travel up to 72 miles between charges, which typically take around 8 hours for a full charge – ideal for charging at work between your morning and evening commutes.  With a top-up charge during the day, the smart ev's daily range weights in at 100 miles.

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Mitsubishi iMIEV $11000
81 mph 99 mile range
Contact:Their site (it is hard to see how to get in touch with them)
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Holding your breath until an affordable and practical electric car is within your reach is probably not advisable. But with a modest auxiliary oxygen supply, you just might make it. Things are happening. Mitsubishi expects to put the i MiEV on the commercial market by 2010.

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Chevy Volt $18000
120 mph 300 mile range
Contact:Votefor, no DARE them to make it!
This could be just pie in the sky, or the original EV killer GM might in fact produce the
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ugliest EV option out there for masochists. Give poor CEO Lutz some design assistance and encouraging feedback. Already the National Resources Defense Council has made them this hardhitting ad: gratis. I never saw their EV1 ads at all in California, so visibility matters, don't you think?
Update July: not pie in the sky...and not ugly in real life

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ACPropulsion EBOX $64000
90 mph 140-180 mile range with customised batteries
Contact:Tom Gage to order yours
I interviewed this ex-Chrysler CEO of ACPropulsion and discovered he believes, like Gore, that we must tax CO2 to provide the carrot to consumers to accompany the stick of higher CAFE standards.
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and the t-zero
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UEV Spyder $63000
freeway speeds 70 - 150 mile range
Contact: Call them to order yours
UEV is following the Tesla business model, starting with small run of expensive sportscars and hoping to go bigger with a $29000 ($23000) sedan next.
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Tango $102000
150 mph 40-160 mile range (depending on your battery choice)
Contact:the inventor dad and son team to order yours
Tango is refining the design If they want to clean up it a little heres my 2 cents! but their unique concept of a single-width vehicle that you can ride two abreast in freeway lanes is just a groundbreaking case of a paradigm shift. While you can order now from this company, someone should invest to make it be the big supplier it should be!
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1929 Mercedes Gazelle $19,000
75 mph 15 miles per charge
Contact:electrictransport because they can also convert your current whatever to an EV.
It takes a certain flair to drive this sort of glamourous old thing but since it is freeway
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speed, I included it because its fine for the bold who live close to work in sunny climes.

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Smith Electric Vehicles
50 mph 130 mile range
Contact:I suspect not too many kossacks order for industrial uses, but how many of you will see the UPS man tomorrow at work? Or shop at Whole Foods tonight? Ask why don't they go electric next time. And tell them about this subsidy, which for heavy vans goes up to $40000. Widespread adoption of electric trucking could really clean up some serious hunks of carbon currently spewing into the atmosphere!

Tanfield/Smith Electric Vehicles is starting with the first 200 during 2007, to put together the world's first zero emission 7 ton truck
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Any socially conscious business using up to 14 ton delivery trucks should see this part of the CLEAR ACT:

Medium and Heavy Duty Vehicles.
Medium and heavy duty applications of the same vehicle technologies utilized for passenger vehicles offer similar benefits related to energy efficiency, diversity, and emission reductions. The CLEAR ACT offers credits for individual weight categories and amounts vary with the largest vehicles over 26,000 pounds (14 tons)  receiving up to $40,000 for fuel cell or battery electric, $32,000 for alternative fuel, or $24,000 for hybrid applications.

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The new EVs all use batteriesthat use plain old lithium salts like you see covering the Salt Lake City flats in Utah. Lithium is the 31st most abundant element on earth, the crust contains 65 ppm of lithium. There is at least 100 million tons easily extractable and the ocean reserve is essentially limitless.

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NEVs. These are in my view not truly paradigm shifting vehicles, as few of us can manage a daily commute with driving only 25 mph or even, like with the ZAP, 40 mph. However they are cheaper, and I hope that they can help those few of us out there who can get by at this speed move to a cleaner world.

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ZAP $6000(with subsidy)
40 mph 25 mile range
Contact: please make a less wobbly mirror
Surprisingly this feels roomy enough inside, but it has a very wobbly rear view mirror!
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I testdrove this, my review is in my previous EVdiary about the need to tax CO2 to really change what we drive.

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ZENN $6000
25 mph 35 mile range
locations available
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I testdrove this too in Santa Cruz and the responsiveness is great. It starts speedily and stops on a dime. It looks relatively normal. But the 25 mph limit made it too slow for me, although they do have a 35 mph version coming later this year. I didn't glean any sense of any freeway speed ambitions coming from this company, unlike both ZAP and Miles who have obviously started in the NEV speeds in order to finance the jump to their freeway speed vehicles.

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Dynasty IT $39000
25 mph 40 mile range
Contact:To bitch about the relatively high price
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This Canadian company is not planning to go to a freeway speed vehicle, per the general manager, because of the prohibitive costs of crash testing.

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The Velocipede $7000
speed: your pedaling limit, range: your pedaling limit
Contact: 1-800-227-3528 between 8 a.m. and 12 p.m. Eastern
This is the first human powered vehicle (HPV) to have a carbon fiber monocoque chassis, the same material found in the fastest high-performance Formula 1 automobiles, making it the worlds most advanced three-wheeled velomobile.
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Designed by world-renowned designer Michael Goretzky, the customized vehicle combines the low-impact exercise benefits of a recumbent bicycle with the stability of a three-wheeled cruiser and the aerodynamics of a concept automobile. Carbon fiber provides the chassis with an exceptional strength-to-weight ratio, making the chassis as strong as the steel used in modern automobiles at a fraction of the weight.

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Miles X40S $11950 4 seater
25 mph 65 mile range
Contact:showroom for dealerships near you
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GEM $795! and up
25 mph 30 mile range
Contact:to select your option
Made famous by Ed Shultz, (the reformed rightie on The Jones Radio Network)
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the oldest NEV around, the GEM car would start at under $1000 with the $6000 subsidy!
Hmmm.....In Your Face version!
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KURRENT $3800
25 mph 35 mile range
Contact:to go with the flow...
Given the 4.1 kW motor, acceleration is leisurely, particularly with people aboard. Lifting off the go pedal reveals fairly aggressive regenerative braking to maximize the battery range.
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The car feels fairly solid, thanks to the stiff aluminum frame. Even with the short wheelbase, the ride was stiff but not intolerable, and it didn't feel like the car was going to fall apart. Handling isn't really much of an issue for a vehicle with such a low top speed, but it didn't feel tippy going around corners.

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Redesigning cities to be NEV friendly:

It is possible to change our neighbourhoods to be more friendly to slower driving... We just need to decide to, like Peachtree, Georgia did, by putting in 80 miles of paths for electric vehicles only.
Home appreciation in Peachtree, Georgia the last year has been 7.80 percent, so I guess theres some interest in this new idea.

Have you ever wondered what a town would look like if electric cars were the rule rather than the exception?

One city has done it, transforming itself to a NEV town where you can indeed take time to smell the roses... as detailed by the hilarious EVangelist Lynn, at electric cars are for girls:
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Picture a town with 7500 electric cars registered.

   .Where the high-school has special parking designated for electric cars.
   .Where most all the households have at least one electric car.
   .Where the kids do their first driving behind the wheel of an electric car (safer!),
   .where the moms run them to school and soccer in the electric car (saving money on gas!)...
...in other words, a community where the electric car is woven into the carpet of (quieter, cleaner) everyday life.

Now picture that town in the deep South.

The town is Peachtree City, Georgia...

To be sure, few other American suburbs can match the extent of Peachtree's path network – which developers of new neighborhoods are forced to expand by local law. Over the years, the paths have become a secondary road system almost completely disconnected from the primary road network. With built-in bridges and tunnels, the miniature roads function as shortcuts between neighborhoods and, for teens, a quick route to the public pool.
Now, nearby communities like Tyrone and Fayetteville are creating their own path systems as the crush of Atlanta's urban growth approaches. What's more, city officials receive dozens of inquiries a year from communities across the country interested in developing their own golf-cart policies.

...and the electric cars are golf carts.

There are at least 75 miles of golf cart paths
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connecting the residences with the businesses and parks and churches and libraries and schools, and - oh, yeah, also the golf course. I've heard it said that you never have to drive your regular car if you don't want to although most people do have one. They just never drive it.

Originally posted to dotcommodity on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 07:33 PM PDT.

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  •  I'd rec (8+ / 0-)

    ...only the keyboard is too wet from my drool.

    (No, rec given anyway.)

    •  yeah, I think its possible that we can make it (12+ / 0-)

      happen this time. The real problem last time was the lack of advertising.
      You have to view this hardhitting video, it'll sell anybody:
      trust an environmental group to do it right!

      ...I believe in a world renewably powered with clean energy: economically, equitably, ecologically and elegantly enjoyed...

      by dotcommodity on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 07:37:08 PM PDT

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      •  Wow! (3+ / 0-)
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        JuliaAnn, dotcommodity, Predictor

        GREAT ad!

        Thanks, dc.

      •  don't forget the Twike! (3+ / 0-)
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        KenBee, dotcommodity, Predictor

        This is another human/electric hybrid.  Ignore the slightly silly name, it's the best technology I've seen so far in this category.  

        Seats two side by side, both can pedal, top speed 53 mph, range up to 80 miles on a charge.  Three wheels, hatchback, solid body materials, lockable doors.  

        Designed in Switzerland, and I think they're either made there or in Germany.  

        Price about $40k.  

        www.twike.us

        ----

        Also from Zap, the vehicle you pictured was the pickup truck version of the Xebra.  The sedan version seats 4 and is basically the same configuration.  Take the government subsidy and use it to install a beefier battery pack to get a higher speed and/or range.  A Zap Xebra with extended range could be the most practical and affordable thing on the road for many applications.

        ----

        What I want is an electric minivan that will seat 4 + some cargo or 2+ more cargo, with a range of 100 miles or more.  Top speed of 55 mph is sufficient so it's legal on the highway, but 65 would be better so it can keep up with the traffic.  And it needs hill-climbing ability for places such as San Francisco.  And I don't care if it looks like a brick or a jellybean, in fact better if it looks bland/commercial so it doesn't get mistakenly ticketed for parking in the yellow zones (with commercial plates).  Tradesman application: PBX system installation & service.

        •  If you do that I'd recomend it on the ZENN (1+ / 0-)
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          Predictor

          Take the government subsidy and use it to install a beefier battery pack to get a higher speed and/or range.

          instead, because it has the crashproof racing frame underneath. Theres a picture somewhere of it after a huge SUV smashed into one, and it held up well.

          ...I believe in a world renewably powered with clean energy: economically, equitably, ecologically and elegantly enjoyed...

          by dotcommodity on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 10:25:30 PM PDT

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          •  stand up & confront the SUV safety memes... (2+ / 0-)
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            dotcommodity, Predictor

            So an SUV can squish a Xebra.  So?  A cement truck (20 to 30 tons with concrete onboard) can squish an SUV so flat that the highway patrol would need a spatula to scrape it off the ground.  

            It's time for people to stand up and confront the "SUV / safety in accidents" meme, and the "SUV squishes small cars" meme, and de-escalate the vehicle size arms race, or alternatively, escalate it to the max and win a crushing victory.  

            Escalation to win:  A small vehicle owners' club for suing the living daylights out of SUV owners who are at-fault in accidents that squish small cars.  And for suing the makers of SUVs involved in those accidents, for producing a vehicle that is a hazard to others on the road.  If the SUV owner was broke (or after s/he had been cleaned out), the vehicle manufacturer would be the deep-pockets defendant.   You can call this the Fight Back Club if you choose, and we can come up with a formal name for it some other day.

            In a non-fatal accident, the member him/herself would be the plaintiff.  In a fatal, the heirs would be the plaintiffs.  The club membership fees would pay to retain the best darn sue-em-all law firm in the US.  You get in an accident, you don't sign the insurance waiver, you call the law firm and get the action going.  

            No doubt it will take a better legal & administrative mind than mine (hell, I'm an engineer) to set this up and make it go, but I suspect it would be highly popular.  

            AND, the very fact of the publicity around this would put the fear into SUV drivers so they would be more likely to watch their driving and watch out for small cars.  

            And last but not least, all it would take would be a couple of winning lawsuits, and the fear of being sued would probably help drive down the sales of those damn things.  

            So I'll take a Xebra with an extended range battery pack, drive it on the local roads at the speeds for which it was designed (max 40), and join the Fight Back Club.  

            How'bout y'all?  

            •  I love this idea (3+ / 0-)
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              G2geek, netguyct, Predictor

              suing the makers of SUVs involved in those accidents, for producing a vehicle that is a hazard to others on the road

              and you are right.
              Its not as if we can buy our own nukes to beat up our neighbour. SUVs are downright unfriendly.
              Its interesting that in Europe cars really are called things like THINK and SMART and N.I.C.E., and here they get names like SUPERCHARGER and REVENGE! and RAM! and whatever...

              ...I believe in a world renewably powered with clean energy: economically, equitably, ecologically and elegantly enjoyed...

              by dotcommodity on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 12:06:59 AM PDT

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              •  is there really an SUV named Revenge? (1+ / 0-)
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                Predictor

                That's the whole story of the decline and fall right there:

                From a Streetcar named Desire*, to an SUV named Revenge.

                Wow, words fail me....

                OK, so shall we start spreading the "Fight Back Club" meme?  

                Perhaps I should post a diary on this theme on Tuesday.  I think I'll have some desk time in the morning before things get crazy for the rest of the day.

                ---

                • for those who don't get the reference, this was the title of a very well-known play written by a highly acclaimed playwright in the 1920s or 30s.
                •  well, I kind of tune out their ads... (2+ / 0-)
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                  Predictor, truthbeauty

                  maybe not Revenge exactly, but the gist of it.
                  On UK EV sites they call SUVs from the USA YANKS TANKS...

                  ...I believe in a world renewably powered with clean energy: economically, equitably, ecologically and elegantly enjoyed...

                  by dotcommodity on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 09:46:37 AM PDT

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                  •  there is a BMW ad for their SUV (1+ / 0-)
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                    dotcommodity

                    ...that talks about its important new features including an aggressive stance.  OK folks, what does an aggressive stance do for a vehicle?  Make it go faster, go better, more comfortably, or what?  

                    The answer is, it gives asshole drivers a new way to express their assholishness as they drive like assholes.  (No disrespect to the human anatomy intended.)

                    And that's a feature.  

                    Oh boy I can hardly wait for the Fight Back Club thing to get going.  (Yes I should write it up as a diary, however it's back to work for me at the moment...)

        •  Zap Xebra with extended range (0+ / 0-)

          The Xebra range is currently around 40 mi, not 25 as the diary states.  A couple of months ago a Zap dealer told me that this fall the Xebra sedan will be offered with range of 80 and 120.  The cost for the larger batteries will be only something like $800 and $1600 extra!  Talk about practical and affordable!  And they do come in solid colors as well as the Xebra stripe.

  •  Its hard to stop adding info to this! (10+ / 0-)

    ...one more impending EV or sign of one possibly coming is that the mini cooper has been souped up into a 4 motor EV (1 in each wheel), in London by PML. I will scrounge up my links in a sec.

    ...I believe in a world renewably powered with clean energy: economically, equitably, ecologically and elegantly enjoyed...

    by dotcommodity on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 07:33:30 PM PDT

    •  Magnificent work ... (6+ / 0-)

      Simply wonderful ...

      A voice of reason ...

      Now, to be honest, my 'solution' path remains PHEVs -- I want a plug-in serial hybrid full-flex fuel (or, perhaps better, diesel) vehicle.  Give me that 50+ miles electric and 90+% of my driving goes electric.  And, with diesel, I'll figure out how to create a co-op to make bio-diesel for all the other PHEV diesels on the street.

      Blogging regularly at Ecotality Blog for a Sustainable Future.

      by A Siegel on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 07:37:10 PM PDT

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      •  Yeah, there is also a lesser subsidy (4+ / 0-)
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        for hybrids. But I do like that its less. Because frankly completely EV is better than only partly EV, for the environment. But hybrids give us the option, if we don't feel we can manage with those range limits.
        Security blanket option!

        ...I believe in a world renewably powered with clean energy: economically, equitably, ecologically and elegantly enjoyed...

        by dotcommodity on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 07:42:20 PM PDT

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  •  Thank you so much ... (1+ / 0-)
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    This is all so "iPod COOL Energy" material (oops, politically corrent, simply "Energy COOL", right).

    Appreciate the Velocipede link ... I'd forgotten the name ... now, if I'd only win some lottery money so that could become my commuting vehicle ... (Yes, I know, I should be biking ... but I find it hard to get the kids on the bike when needing to rush to pick up a sick one from school ...)

    Blogging regularly at Ecotality Blog for a Sustainable Future.

    by A Siegel on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 07:40:06 PM PDT

  •  NNadir - ARE YOU LISTENING?? (2+ / 0-)
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    Electric automobiles can be done WITHOUT nookyaler plants!!

    Ned Lamont for US House of Representatives (CT-04) in 2008

    by bincbom on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 07:43:43 PM PDT

    •  Oh NO! (2+ / 0-)
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      Don't alert NNNADIR! Lets not start hearing about all those exajoules again!

      ...I believe in a world renewably powered with clean energy: economically, equitably, ecologically and elegantly enjoyed...

      by dotcommodity on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 07:46:14 PM PDT

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    •  For me ... (1+ / 0-)
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      The (over) enthusiasm for solar is the one place where I tend to part company with DotCommodity, at least where the technology / resources currently are.

      EVs/PHEVs, with a smart(er) grid, would enable far greater penetration of intermittent renewables -- whether solar, wind, or otherwise.

      But, at this time, solar is not "cost effective" relative to other options nor, with current system, can we get fast enough market penetration.

      Solar is part -- not all -- of the solution path.

      Blogging regularly at Ecotality Blog for a Sustainable Future.

      by A Siegel on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 07:55:00 PM PDT

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  •  By the way ... (3+ / 0-)
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    know that you saw, but there is as well the VentureOne as discussed in iPod COOL Energy 1: Transportation.

    www.flytheroad.com VentureOne

    Which is ever so cool ...

    www.flytheroad.com tilting

    There are supposed to be three variants.  Hybrid / Plug-In Hybrid / All-electric.  

    The last is to be 75+ mph with a 120 mile range.

    Blogging regularly at Ecotality Blog for a Sustainable Future.

    by A Siegel on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 07:49:14 PM PDT

  •  Next diary ... (1+ / 0-)
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    Blogging regularly at Ecotality Blog for a Sustainable Future.

    by A Siegel on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 07:52:25 PM PDT

  •  Didn't see (0+ / 0-)

    anything about Aptera. Any info on what they are planning?

    Common Sense is not Common

    by RustyBrown on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 07:57:17 PM PDT

  •  Venturi respondez a moi (4+ / 0-)
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    Subject: RE: information en anglais sil vous plait

    > Hello Susan,
    >
    > Thank you for your interest in our vehicles.
    > Are you interested in purchasing our cars or are you from a media?
    >
    > Astrolab is still a concept car and will be made only on order (estimated
    > price 92 000 € plus taxes)
    >
    > You can buy Eclectic, the first electro-solar car, for the USA for 24 000 €
    > (plus taxes). It will pass the homologations in september 2007.
    >
    > Please email me your mailing address so I can send you a brochure of it.
    >
    > Best Regards,
    >
    > Marianne Hollande
    > Responsable Marketing
    >
    > Venturi Automobiles
    > Gildo Pastor Center
    > 7 rue du Gabian
    > MC 98000 MONACO
    >
    > Tel: +377 99 99 52 00
    > Fax: +377 99 99 52 01
    > Skype: venturiautomobiles
    > www.venturi.fr
    >
    > -----Message d'origine-----
    > Envoyé : samedi 7 avril 2007 18:57
    > À : press@venturi.fr
    > Objet : information en anglais sil vous plait

    I had written to her:

    > pardonez moi, je ne parle francais, so:
    >
    > Please tell me,
    > Where can the astrolab and the eclectic be bought?
    > When will they be available?
    > How much do they cost?
    > How will we buy these in the USA?
    > Are there legal restrictions on selling these in the USA?
    >
    > merci,

    Now what are those homologations this
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    eclectic needs to pass?
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    And how much is this if not in euros? And I forgot to ask her if they will ship to the US with left hand drive...oh, no, aren't they clever: bypass all that: center drive.

    ...I believe in a world renewably powered with clean energy: economically, equitably, ecologically and elegantly enjoyed...

    by dotcommodity on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 07:58:16 PM PDT

  •  Outstanding diary dotcommodity! (2+ / 0-)
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    This is the best collated collection of the current info on EVs that I've seen.

    Coming to a showroom near you!

    Thanks for getting this out there

    "Like the mirror told me this morning, it's all done with people" - Wavy Gravy

    by offgrid on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 08:07:32 PM PDT

    •  Thank you, I think so too. (2+ / 0-)
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      It was born from frustration with the wide range of standards I was finding.

      I really just can't remember from one week to the next how many pounds of CO2 equivalent to "getting X number of cars off the road" this or that option provides the environmental savings of, so I set about just comparing apples to apples, to see whats what.

      And I also don't care if something accelerates from 0 - 60 in X seconds or some other fast enough number of seconds, just that it can go on the freeway.

      ...I believe in a world renewably powered with clean energy: economically, equitably, ecologically and elegantly enjoyed...

      by dotcommodity on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 08:18:01 PM PDT

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  •  What's GM up to? (1+ / 0-)
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    They seem to have gotten a good reception with the Volt, yet I just read yesterday that they are committed to Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles. Gimme the Volt dammit! I just hope mmy current car can hold out until affordable EVs become a reality.

  •  Now... (3+ / 0-)
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    ...that's a diary.

    In NeoCon jabber, "defeatism" means noticing the obvious.~War Nerd

    by Caldonia on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 08:40:45 PM PDT

  •  And now for the bad news (3+ / 0-)
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    BusinessWeek:

    The race is on globally to build really, really cheap gas-powered cars.

    How cheap is cheap? Renault-Nissan Chief Executive Carlos Ghosn is betting that for autos, the magic number is under $3,000. At a plant-opening ceremony in India Apr. 4, he was already talking up the industry's next challenge: a future model that would sport a sticker price as low as $2,500—about 40% less than the least expensive subcompact currently on the market. Renault-Nissan is the first global automaker to take up the gauntlet thrown down in 2003 by India's Tata Motors, which plans to launch a $2,500 car next year. Both are leading a race to the bottom that could affect the business every bit as much as Henry Ford's Model T did a century ago. [...]

    There's no lack of potential customers: Hundreds of millions of Chinese, Indians, Brazilians, Russians, and others will likely join the middle class in the coming decade, and cars are sure to be at the top of their shopping lists. As a result, the global car market is polarizing: The luxury segment continues to grow, cheap cars boom, and everything else gets squeezed. By 2012, the market for vehicles priced under $10,000 is likely to reach 18 million cars, or a fifth of world auto sales, according to Roland Berger Strategy Consultants. That's up from 12 million today.

    Kind of a buzzkill, I know.

    •  jeez, thats awfull (1+ / 0-)
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      oh, no...

      ...I believe in a world renewably powered with clean energy: economically, equitably, ecologically and elegantly enjoyed...

      by dotcommodity on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 10:18:38 PM PDT

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    •  buzzkill, maybe, but you know they're not (1+ / 0-)
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      440cubic inch 363HP hemi powered behemoths.

      If the burgeoning middle class is going to buy a car in India and China, we might have to be happy they're not buying what is typically sold to US markets.

      That said, I think it might be time to push for a serious tariff on outsourced Information Technology services and all imports from India and China until they enact stringent Clean Air laws for motor vehicles.

      I suppose we should lead by example, but a US group representing the auto industry is suing VT for adopting California's.  Damn. I just bummed myself out.

      Impeach 'em all, let the Hague sort them out.

      by netguyct on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 07:25:52 AM PDT

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  •  I've been arguing for EV's since 1990. (2+ / 0-)
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    Great diary.  Lots of good info here that I didn't know.  I look forward to the release of these cars (and can wait until 2010) but the sticker prices are shocking.  EV's will have to be much less expensive or they wont be bought in mass (even with tax incentives). Especially if gas-powered cars are under $10,000.  Still, it's hope and progress.

    I tell you, we are here on Earth to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you different. - Vonnegut

    by rainmanjr on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 09:45:38 PM PDT

    •  Part of the expense is (1+ / 0-)
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      just that some companies are virtually hand-making one-offs. Like ACPropulsion makes only one a month. Its just hard to break into the automarket if you have to crash 100 million dollar samples to pass the crashtests without knowing if you'll recoup your costs...

      $11000 iMIEV is not bad - I think as more real autocompanies like Mitsubishi get into this EV market prices will be comparable to fume farter prices, although the batteries currently are expensive...

      ...I believe in a world renewably powered with clean energy: economically, equitably, ecologically and elegantly enjoyed...

      by dotcommodity on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 10:17:23 PM PDT

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  •  I'm a car nut (1+ / 0-)
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    with a thingy for old subarus..
    I have an 86 subaru wagon that has s 4" lift kit and is nearly finished receiving a 2.2 Legacy motor transplant.. not very green yet, I'll grant you..  but Phase 3 call for me dropping a VW 1.9 TDI engine into it so that I can run my Subaru on WVO.
    I am hesitant to commit my admittedly limited resources to an electric vehicle as the maintenance and repowering infrastructure (can't say refueling, really, can I?) is in its infancy, but my mind is not unchangeable.

    If it's ever practical, I'd totally put electric guts into my subie..

    •  I asked today at Hatchs office and Cantwells (1+ / 0-)
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      KenBee

      office if this would cover conversions...no answer yet. But you know the repowering infrastructure is just the dryer type plug in your garage...heres some ev conversion optionsI gathered together in an old diary about Reinventing the Wheel, they are about $20000 so would be $14000 to convert... but then, no gas, no spark plugs, no oil change..

      ...I believe in a world renewably powered with clean energy: economically, equitably, ecologically and elegantly enjoyed...

      by dotcommodity on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 10:08:01 PM PDT

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      •  Thanks, more conversions please! (3+ / 0-)
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        Seriously, I just put $2000 into my $2000 work truck, and it's all rated crash wise, the windows work, the CD works, and all I go is 50 miles a day and 50mph at most. A simple conversion would work well for short haul workers and moms etc, and we already have the vehicles.
          There are whole communities of people doing conversion themselves.
        This weekend in Santa Barbara I saw some friends who had converted some junk motorcycles to electric and were racing them at Bonneville Salt Flats, all home made, fun,...and pretty slow for now.
          What the hell is the Tesla good for? What a waste. Publicity maybe.
          Give me one, I'd put toolboxes and a ladder rack on it.
         Great diary, thanks so much!

      •  Hatch etc needs to ad (1+ / 0-)
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        the subsidies for the purchase and installation of the PEDV's components for people who do it themselves or hire it done.
        Heh, just read your linked old diary, I knew I'd read it before, haha. Too late to rec it, where wuz I then?
        Great, thanks.

        •  Yep. Call him and tell him (1+ / 0-)
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          202 224 3121.
          And anyone reading this, PLEASE call that switchboard for YOUR Rep/Senator, whether(R) or (D), and tell em to get on board with this bill The CLEAR ACT!

          ...I believe in a world renewably powered with clean energy: economically, equitably, ecologically and elegantly enjoyed...

          by dotcommodity on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 11:44:10 AM PDT

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  •  THANK GOD THEY ARE MAKING (3+ / 0-)
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    them look like regular cars, not weird things. That was part of the problem last time.

    I am permalinking this, I can wait two years to buy one of these beauties!

    We must have goals to change the world. Who has the most goals? Edwards 2008

    by Chaoslillith on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 10:42:33 PM PDT

    •  yes the weird things is kind of an issue to me (2+ / 0-)
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      too...there still are some weird things out there but I just havent included
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      them because when I see them I kind of think Detroit must be secretly foisting deliberately incompetent designers on these companies to make them ridiculous (enforcing weirdness) as a fiendish plot to keep us from considering EVs as the one truly rational decision they really are.

      ...I believe in a world renewably powered with clean energy: economically, equitably, ecologically and elegantly enjoyed...

      by dotcommodity on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 11:03:12 PM PDT

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  •  what about the GEM Car? (1+ / 0-)
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    from the DaimlerChrysler JV (www.gemcar.com).... these are electric-only NEVs that dominate this segment of the market (official, street-legal NEVs vs. golf carts).  The prices are $12K - $20K, but the overall maturity of the design and manufacuting is impressive.

    Energize America: Demand Energy Security by 2020!

    by Doolittle Sothere on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 05:20:52 AM PDT

    •  Right but since they'd been round so long (0+ / 0-)

      I didn't, but to be comprehensive, you're right: it should be in the NEV section of my 'showroom'! Adding
      them, my goodness: with the $6000 subsidy the cheapest model will be $795!

      ...I believe in a world renewably powered with clean energy: economically, equitably, ecologically and elegantly enjoyed...

      by dotcommodity on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 09:06:02 AM PDT

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  •  A Car Show..Me Likey (2+ / 0-)
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    As the kinda person who actually goes to Car Shows and is in the Process of hunting down a new car with good mileage capabilities & style, Thanks for this!
    I'll take a Zap-X & that nice Tesla.
    The Volt is not bad looking.

    "If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." Dalai Lama

    by Predictor on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 10:48:06 AM PDT

    •  See, what do I know! (2+ / 0-)
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      person who actually goes to Car Shows:

      The Volt is not bad looking.

      I have NEVER gone to a car show, and my interest in cars was completely zero, till I realised what a CO2 issue they represent, so I'm ready to be corrected by a car afficionado, that GM is not deliberately trying to gross me out! So thats encouraging...

      ...I believe in a world renewably powered with clean energy: economically, equitably, ecologically and elegantly enjoyed...

      by dotcommodity on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 11:40:38 AM PDT

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      •  Well, You Did One Hell of A Job (2+ / 0-)
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        on this. I thought maybe you had a subscription to Car & Driver or Motor Trend.
        I was designing Cars as a kid for fun.
        My Partner wanted to get a Prius, but its too darned ugly for me, ick! LOL
        Everyone seems to have a different preference on Style, mine spans 4 decades.
        ;-)

        "If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." Dalai Lama

        by Predictor on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 12:15:40 PM PDT

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        •  I'll update my blogroll: you can get green news (2+ / 0-)
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          from EV World and Autoblog Green - I listen to a lot of science podcasts while I work National Geographic, Science Friday, New Scientist, Science Magazine, Nature, but will also add the green car blogs to my blogroll - I check obsessively to glean any shreds of hopefull info on a greener future!

          A Car and Driver editor or writer was on a podcast I listened to yesterday on sci fri, talking over Sherrie Bocher who wrote How the Electric Car is Recharging America...and if he's anything to go by, you won't get any green car news from them, he seemed firmly in the pocket of the Oiligarchy.

          Buying into the whole hydrogen fuel/synfule  myth...

          ...I believe in a world renewably powered with clean energy: economically, equitably, ecologically and elegantly enjoyed...

          by dotcommodity on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 02:32:02 PM PDT

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