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New Iowa Poll: Edwards leads, viewed as most electable

Tue Apr 03, 2007 at 01:27:41 PM PDT

John Edwards leads among likely Iowa caucus-goers, according to the latest poll by the University of Iowa released today, with a 5.7% lead over Hillary Clinton and a 14.9% lead over Barack Obama.

Results show that Edwards remains the leader among likely Democratic caucus goers, competing primarily with Clinton for caucus support. Edwards led by a substantial margin with 34.2 percent. Clinton followed with 28.5 percent, and Obama with 19.3 percent. No other candidate reached 2 percent. Twelve and a half percent of Democratic caucus goers were undecided.

Edwards also is viewed as the most electable of the Democrats.

Edwards' support among Democratic caucus goers appears to be linked to perceptions that he can win the presidential election. When given the statement  "Edwards is electable", 89.0 percent of Democratic caucus goers agreed. This was the highest percentage in the survey. 86.6 percent of Democratic caucus goers believe Obama is electable; 76.5 percent feel Clinton is.

Analysis after the jump.

Edwards holds the trump cards in Iowa, both in terms of actual support and potential gains. He already leads among likely caucus-goers, and more of them believe he is electable than they do either of the other top two candidates. He is well-positioned to claim the media's mantle of "winner" at the very start of the race and receive the free coverage that entails.

Clinton comes substantially closer to Edwards in actual support, but she is viewed as significantly less electable, limiting her potential to build on those numbers. With Tom Vilsack's endorsement and claim that he will help her "win" in Iowa, not just "do well" in Iowa (wording that was no doubt cleared by the Clinton campaign) she now faces an expectations hurdle that will be very difficult for her to clear.

Obama is viewed as almost as electable as Edwards, but trails by a wide margin in actual support. His potential for gain is greater than Clinton's, but he has a large gap to close. Coming from neighboring Illinois, he has the added expectation of doing well in his home region, but a third-place finish in this race would be hard to recover from.

As I mentioned in an Early Bird Analysis last November, Edwards' advantage in broad support across the state should improve his showing on caucus night. Clinton, in particular, is likely to struggle to meet the viability threshhold in some rural precincts -- the places where she is least likely to be viewed as electable -- and therefore underperform.

This would lead to the results I predicted at that time (although Russ Feingold later opted not to run, and Dennis Kucinich decided to get in). I think ultimately this is a race for second place, and third place is going to look a lot like last place.

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  •  Hmmm.. (10+ / 0-)

    Obama is viewed as almost as electable as Edwards, but trails by a wide margin in actual support. His potential for gain is greater than Clinton's, but he has a large gap to close.

    Did you know John Kerry was at 4% three weeks from the caucus?

    Polls don't matter at this point...

    •  And Edwards was even closer (8+ / 0-)

      There's a few things that make me think that Edwards' Iowa numbers might stay that high.

      He's got a base of very, very loyal Iowans that aren't going anywhere.  It would be interesting to see a strength of support # for him.  

    •  they matter to me, (3+ / 0-)

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      but then I'm an Edwards supporter. I would guess that you are not.  

      "The tide is with us, let's all stop rowing the other way."

      by NCCarboys on Tue Apr 03, 2007 at 01:31:49 PM PDT

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    •  Hmmmm, indeed (1+ / 0-)

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      as soon as a poll in a sparsely populated state is snapshoted, look how many diaries pop up all at once. As if Iowa is akin to New Hampshire, New Jersey, California, or even South Carolina. Oh, I forgot, I thought the primaries start at the end of January. Not taking anything away from Edwards but it's just a bit too soon to start popping the corks just yet. Now I know this is an Edwards blog.

      You cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war..... Albert Einstein,

      by tazz on Tue Apr 03, 2007 at 01:35:52 PM PDT

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      •  Oh Please! (2+ / 0-)

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        Dailykos is an Edwards Blog?  I don't see it.  The Obama supporters are the most vocal to me.  

      •  It's not an Edwards blog. (8+ / 0-)

        Edwards has a plurality of support here (hovering around 40-45% in most polls) but there is a substantial amount of support for Obama as well.

        You can't really identify this as any candidate's blog...unless Al Gore jumped into the race--he has consistently polled around 65% here even without announcing his candidacy.  I suspect that if he jumped into the race, that support would probably go up to about 75%.

      •  Congrats. (1+ / 0-)

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        You made no sense.

        A Vote For John Edwards Is A Vote For Yourself. Iowa Underground

        by ThunderHawk13 on Tue Apr 03, 2007 at 01:51:01 PM PDT

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      •  Why don't you go over to Huff Post (1+ / 0-)

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        They love Obama over there.

      •  How silly (0+ / 0-)

        If it was an Edwards blog, why would there be Obama supporters and Hillary supporters?

      •  Iowa is more important than all others combined (0+ / 0-)

        We saw this in 2004, the two leading candidates in Iowa, Kerry and Edwards, were the last two standing. It didn't matter that a week later that both Dean and Clark came in ahead of Edwards in NH.  Both of those two lost their bid for the nomination in Iowa (Clark screwed the pooch by not even competing there). Edwards is the only one who gets it, it doesn't matter how much money you raise or where you stand in national polls-- you win Iowa then you're the frontrunner.

        Beyond that, it seems a lot of DNC members  had buyers remorse and wished Edwards had won the nomination instead of Kerry.  The early primary/caucus schedule was engineered to be as pro-Edwards as possible.  Except for New Hampshire (where Edwards as of today, is ahead of Obama and only a few points behind Hillary), the first three states are small states that Edwards will do great in.  

        Iowa, he was 2nd last time and leading this time; South Carolina, his native state which he won last time; and Nevada, a Western state that the unions have a strong role.  Edwards has really worked hard for union support this cycle, if the unions endorse him before Nevada, he's got the inside track to win the Nevadad Caucus.

        If he wins Iowa, he gets all the headlines and becomes the frontrunner. If he runs the other three, he'd pretty much unstoppable.  He'll go into California and the other early states with a ton of great press-- its the free media that wins it in short campaigns.  Even if the early states are split, he can compete state by state with Hillary. His ace in the hole is-- the man is loaded.  He could easily drop $10 to $20 million of his own money into his  campaign if he's short of cash after the first four states and he's in a dogfight with Hillary.

        •  South Carolina (0+ / 0-)

          I dont think John Edwards is winning south carolina this time around because the black votes is about 49% of the democratic primary electorate there,and although he may get a some blaxck votes, Hillary and Obama will be the main contenders for that block.

          Unless Edwards win the remaining of the white vote, which i dont think he will, he wont be able to win SC.

          Any South Carolina poll??

          •  Haven't seen any recent polls (0+ / 0-)

            I'd imagine Hillary is up if it was polled today.  Hillary and Obama splitting the black vote only helps Edwards, if he can go on to win the remaining white votes.

            On the other hand, If either Hillary or Obama stumbles following Iowa, Nevada and New Hampshire, then the one still in the game will likely pick up the lionshare of the black vote. The wildcard would be if Sharpton runs again.  If he siphons black votes from Hillary and/or Obama, that would help Edwards in South Carolina.

          •  Edwards could win states in the South, if he (1+ / 0-)

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            gets the nod from the primaries.

            Edwards in Town Hall Meeting in New Hampshire is on C-Span now.   He is persuasive and his integrity comes through.

            The Dream Ticket can win the General Election

            by Pink Lady on Tue Apr 03, 2007 at 03:25:28 PM PDT

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      •  He's closing in on Clinton in NH too. (0+ / 0-)

        •  SC POLLS? (0+ / 0-)

          I cant see Edwards winning SC because there's no way he would be able to win the entire remaining white vote after hillary and Obama deprive him the lion share of the black votes..Edwards would have to win at least 85% of the white vote and it ain't gonna happen..meaning that Obama and Hillary would probably have to do horrible among white democratic voters...So far, there isn't any data showing such a thing would occur.

          Even Obama will get atleast 20-25% of the white vote, while Hillary, who is white, would gain a good share of it..Edwards would have to give them both under 15% combine whyle taking at least 10% of the black vote...I think Edwards can win at least 10% of the black vote, but no way in hell he can win over 80% of the white vote...

    •  And Joe Lieberman was in the lead n/t (0+ / 0-)

      •  um apples and oranges? (2+ / 0-)

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        plus, lieberman was and is not a democrat and never led in iowa

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        by JoeJustice on Tue Apr 03, 2007 at 01:51:10 PM PDT

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        •  Really? (1+ / 0-)

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          So there is no comparison between the two previous Vice Presidential candidates?

          That's just absurd on it's face.

        •  Um, Lieberman was a Democrat (1+ / 0-)

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          in 2003. He ran as a Democrat at least. You may be right, he didnt lead in Iowa. But Dick Gephardt did. So the lesson is still valid: early polls dont matter.

        •  Joe Lieberman was a moderate Democrat in 2000 (0+ / 0-)

          In 2004, one could argue that he no longer represented the values of the Democratic party. But the reason for that would be the war; Guess who else supported the war with much gusto?

          •  I found Joe Lieberman to (3+ / 0-)

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            be way too right wing in 2000.  He always was a conservative Democrat to me.  It is all perspective, I suppose.  I never liked Joe Lieberman, even in the 90s.  

            "The answer is to end our reliance on carbon-based fuels." Al Gore, 7/17/08

            by TomP on Tue Apr 03, 2007 at 02:02:52 PM PDT

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            •  That's because you were drinking Nader (0+ / 0-)

              Kool-aid back then. Something like this: http://www.dailykos.com/...

              Ask people to name the #1 reason they dislike Lieberman. 80-90% will tell you it's the war. On the invasion part of the Iraq war, there is hardly any difference between Lieberman and John Edwards.

              •  Yes... (1+ / 0-)

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                and at least they limited Bush to Iraq, rather than Daschle-Lott that allowed action in the region.

                Since it was either Liberman-Edwards or Daschle-Lott, I'm thankful in hindsight that the former became the AUMF that passed.

                •  Hastings' HJ Res 110 would have prevented (0+ / 0-)

                  a war altogether: HJRes

                  •  I referred to a resolution that had a CHANCE... (1+ / 0-)

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                    not something symbolic.

                    That's where you just don't get it.  You speak like this was happening in a vacuum.

                    •  There is nothing the prevent Edwards from (0+ / 0-)

                      sposoring HJRes 110 in the senate and building support for it.

                      Also, the lameness of your "argument" was wonderfully exposed earlier:

                      Thank you for telling us that Edward's co-sponsored an AUMF that limited Bush to Iraq.

                      The only other that had a chance to pass would have allowed Bush to be in Iran and Syria.

                      Edwards, in hindsight, arguably acted with foresight in keeping Bush from being able to act "in the region."

                      by citizen53 on Mon Apr 02, 2007 at 06:10:31 PM PDT

                      Wow .. (2+ / 0-)

                      So Paul Wellstone, Russ Feingold, Ted Kennedy and 20 other Senators that voted against AUMF wanted Bush to invade Iran and Syria?

                      by Bronxist on Mon Apr 02, 2007 at 08:09:51 PM PDT

                      The sophistry some of you folks employ to cover up Edwards' raw war hawking is mind boggling.

                      •  So which resolutions had a chance? (0+ / 0-)

                        Answer that one, genius.

                        •  If Democrats (0+ / 0-)

                          like Lieberman, Edwards and Hillary hadn't been playing war games, Hastings' resolution made perfect sense, and most regular Democrats could have been easily rallied to get behind that resolution.

                          Besides, there was no imminent or present threat. So, outright rejection of Bush's war advances on Iraq, and getting on every talk show explaining why it was unnecessary and extremely risky to wage a full scale invasion of Iraq could have been done as well. Of course, that takes strength to stand up and ot the right thing.

                          •  Anything except answer a simple question... (0+ / 0-)

                            Consodering the makeup of Congress in 2002, which resolutions had a realistic chance to pass?

                            Why are you so evasive, genius?

                            •  the question is not well setup because (0+ / 0-)

                              the reality in this case was also in the hands of senators and representatives. And the game theory involved is pretty circuitous (as it always is; as we see playing out in congress now for withdrawal)

                              Had the Lieberman resolution not been floated and supported by its co-sponsors, the issue would have a been a black and white choice between the WH version and Hastings version (or a variant thereof.)

                              Republicans would have gone with the WH version and most of the Dems would have gone with Hastings'. Should Bush have gone in with partisan support for the former, the blame for war would have been a permanent and exclusive liability for the Republican party.

                              As such considering all factors, Hastings resolution laid down the right thing to do for dealing with Iraq, surgically doing what was needed to bring Saddam into compliance with ceasefire agreement and UN resolutions.

                •  BTW, not sure you've seen (0+ / 0-)

                  this response of mine to you earlier today.

              •  NL, I found Lieberman to (0+ / 0-)

                be too conservative even when when I voted for Bill Clinton in 1992 and 1996.  He defeated Lowell Weiker, a good man, in 1988.

                Cool, you're saving my comments.  I did not know you cared.  

                By the way, do you still absolve George Bush of 2/3 of the blame for the Iraq War?  That is a comment yu made that I never will forget.

                "The answer is to end our reliance on carbon-based fuels." Al Gore, 7/17/08

                by TomP on Tue Apr 03, 2007 at 02:25:38 PM PDT

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                •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

                  Pelosi: The executive and legislative branches each have a role in this process,
                  citizen53:   Pelosi tells Bush that Congress has an equal role.

                  Likewise, the executive and legislative branches each had a role in the invasion.

                  Since TomP will likely continue to play dumb, I refer the reader to this earlier comment on war powers and the Iraq War.

                  •  What's your point? (2+ / 0-)

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                    So if I co-sign for someone to buy a car, and then they get drunk and run someone over, or just do it intentionally, I am at fault?

                    Idiotic reasoning by you in an attempt to distort reality to your technical and narrow minded view of Iraq.

                    In some respects, you are becoming incoherent.

                    Luckily, I have to go play tennis, so I am spared your additional drivel.

                    •  if you're a parent (0+ / 0-)

                      that bought a car for her kid and sent him/her out driving without insurance, you bet your ass that you'd be paying for the damages dearly.

                      Luckily, I have to go play tennis, so I am spared your additional drivel.

                      I like Tennis too. maybe we should hook up sometime.

                      •  I said nothing about insurance... (1+ / 0-)

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                        yet you again change the facts.  The fact is that even if I was responsible for buying the car, the culpability that follows is not my fault.

                        Again, which resolutions had a realistic chance to pass.  Or do you contend that no resolution was going to pass in 2002?

                        My game was delayed for 30 minutes, by the way.

                        •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

                          Again, which resolutions had a realistic chance to pass.  Or do you contend that no resolution was going to pass in 2002?

                          I argue that had the phony-bipartisan Lieberman resolution not been floated and supported by Edwards etal, then many more Dems would have voted against the war. As is, 130 Dems in house opposed it.

                          If the Republicans took upon themselves to force the war by passing the IWR essentially on their own, the Dems could have then taken that issue (it takes work) to the polls and battled it out.

                          Given your resent to "conciliatory" approaches this morning:

                          Too conciliatory for me... (10+ / 0-)
                          ...
                          by citizen53 on Tue Apr 03, 2007 at 10:08:52 AM PDT

                          you cannot come here and preach compromise where it suits you.

                          Doing the right thing on IWR for Dems was crystal clear: Hastings resolution or bust.

                          •  Apples and Oranges... (0+ / 0-)

                            Discuss matters on the merits without strained comparisons.  Suddenly your insurance respose is abandoned.

                            Bottom line is that under Daschle-Lott, Bush could have already invaded Iran.  Do you dispute that?

                      •  Horrible analogy - Bush isn't a kid (2+ / 0-)

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                        He's the president and should be held accountable for his decisions

          •  Oh please (1+ / 0-)

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            if you want to support Obama, support Obama.  I'd be absolutely fine with Obama winning the nomination

            But Lieberman STILL supports the war, Edwards does not.
            Lieberman constantly praises Bush, Edwards does not.
            Lieberman calls other Dems names, Edwards does not.

            With every post, you hurt your own credibility, and, to a small degree, your support for Obama makes me lean more towards Edwards.  Because, if this is the sort of argument that leads you to support Obama, then there really isn't much reason to do so.

            •  I think you're not being logical in (0+ / 0-)

              your assessment. I never equated Lieberman with Edwards wholesale: "Guess who else supported the war with much gusto?" was regarding the initial engagement in Iraq. Had that not taken place, we would not be where we are; between a rock and the hard place.

              •  You are correct that if the war had not been (1+ / 0-)

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                authorized, we would be a lot better off now.
                Obviously, that's right.
                I knew this from the beginning, and I give credit to Obama for recognizing it as well.

                But every time Edwards name is mentioned, you bring this up.  This is bashing a guy who may be the Democratic nominee.  Why do that?  Why?

                If you favor Obama, that's fine.  I like Obama.  But this endless Edwards bashing is pointless; it hurts Democrats and it hurts your own credibility.

                You are dealing, here, with very well informed people.  We KNOW Edwards messed up. Edwards knows it, too.  He has said he was wrong.

                You don't make yourself any taller by putting someone else in a hole, and you don't make Obama any taller by putting Edwards in a hole.

                •  Why and how I disagree (0+ / 0-)

                  (prescript: pleas ignore typos and grammatical errors below. I have not proofread the post thoroughly enough)

                  But every time Edwards name is mentioned, you bring this up.

                  Your claim is incorrect. Here is the list of posts containing Edwards in the last one week (183 in total), and my browser shows that I visited (which would be needed to post a comment) less than half dozen.

                  This is bashing a guy who may be the Democratic nominee.  Why do that?  Why?

                  What about the relentless bashing of Obama by Edwards supporters and even Kos' horrendous handling of the "playing chicken" brouhaha. I can't even begin to tell how much hackery against Obama is spread by ardent/rabid/jingoistic Edwards supporters. They bash him if he sneezes the wrong way.

                  Your argument applies with Hillary as the subject also, of course, especially since she IS the front runner. Let's see what david mizner said right in this thread, where he declares "Hillary is horrid" for merely saying that she will look into Feingold/Reid bill (check the links, as I am not posting full comments):

                  okay, there's (8+ / 0-)

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                  been a lotta flame between Obama supporters and edwards supporters. Here's something maybe we can all agree on. Hillary is horrid.

                  When asked her position on that plan, Mrs. Clinton said she was not familiar with the legislation. "I’ll look into that," she said.

                  A few minutes later, after she concluded her press conference about the rural economy, the senator walked over to a small group of reporters to seek more information about the legislation. When the bill was explained, she said: "I need to read it."

                  by david mizner on Tue Apr 03, 2007 at 01:50:17 PM PDT

                  That's a great of the hackery I am referring to.

                  Here is another hack at Obama:

                  Obama's fawning, ridiculous (13+ / 0-)

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                  speech to the Hamilton Group was one of things that turned me off his campaign:
                  ...
                  Rubonomics--which calls us to pray to balanced budgets and the Washington Conensus on Free Trade-is a breath of fresh air?

                  This hackery for several reasons:

                  1. Rubin was an instrumental force in Clinton/Gore administration which built a strong and roaring economy which did a lot of great things, including lowering poverty by 20% (Edwards talks about it, but the C/G ecnomy actually delivered). So, why is Rubin demonized by these hacks?
                  1. On "free trade", Edwards himself voted for China MFN/PNTR, Vietnam and a few other FTAs, a fact that is conveniently ignored when Edwards supporters bash "free trade" (which I neither support nor bash patently; I do not support unfettered "free" trade, and in principle support fair and balanced trade; mathematically, it isn't well-defined what would be fair and balanced in the current global economy with vast differences in wealth of nations). I didn't do so in this case, but pointing out that Edwards supporteed these FTAs and china MFN is important to set the record in factual light.
                  1. Obama never said that he supports the Hamilton project. His speech reads as being open to ideas more than anything else. But, these hacks want to paint his as some kind of a neoliberal based on the mere fact that he attended this meetings, and Edwards as some kind of a born-again populist, when Edwards actual record on trade is NOT one a unabashed "populist". So this kinda crap is smoke and mirrors that some promoters of Edwards create and work to make people fall for it. I consider it my job to set them straight with facts.
                  1. Of course, the Sirota diary where Mizner's comment appears is itself one of the series hacks by Sirota (whom I otherwise like and even admire) against Obama.

                  Here is another ridiculous hack job by an Edwards promoter Mark Adams: Hitting At Obama's Strengths, where he stoops to bashing Obama using a frame, namely "cynical poseur" by one of the most dishonst RWNM outlets out there, the American "Thinker".

                  I can go on and on about the mountain of hacking Edwards supporters level at Obama.

                  I consider exposing this hackery FWIW as an (voluntary) obligation.

                  If you favor Obama, that's fine.  I like Obama.  But this endless Edwards bashing is pointless;

                  If I sat down and compiled all the trashing of Edwards jingoists against Obama (and Hillary, beyond degree of fairness), I can assure you that it would be mind-boggling.

                  it hurts Democrats

                  I want to see you apply this standard and interject the attacks on Democrats (often factually wrong or weak), then I'd consider your concern to be even-handed and reasonable. Then, I'd find your criticism of me to be credible.

                  and it hurts your own credibility.

                  Stop throwing this line around casually. I stand by everything I write as being 100% factual subject to my knowledge and analysis at the time I post. I never bash Edwards beyond what is true and factual. I challenge you to take me up on the factuality (or on being fair and reasonable) of anything I have said about Edwards point by point, instead of lazy criticism such as this.

                  You are dealing, here, with very well informed people.  We KNOW Edwards messed up. Edwards knows it, too.  He has said he was wrong.

                  Not as well-informed to see through how Edwards games even this place. For example, how many people know about his March 15, 2003 statement about Iraq AFTER the UN weapons inspection report?

                  Based on a LOT of data points I have seen and close examination of what he says, I do not consider his apology to be sincere (I can expand upon this, if you wish). In summary, in my justifiable opinion: Edwards hawked the war because he saw that as the fastest way to becoming President, and he repositioned himself as being against the war because that is about the only way he can overcome Hillary in the primary (i.e. making himself the new Howard Dean, and engaging the netroots to defeat Hillary.)

                  I am not saying that his platform is a bad one, but I also find it necessary to impose a fact check (such as the budgeting aspects of his health care proposal), and most importantly, to place the relative comparisons between him and other candidates in factual light.

                  You don't make yourself any taller by putting someone else in a hole, and you don't make Obama any taller by putting Edwards in a hole.

                  Making myself, Obama or anyone else "taller" is not my objective. I came here because the Republicans were gutting the future of this country and the world. Just as I despise their lies and crookery, I reject and will fight against dishonesty and fakery on our side as well. I am here on behalf of the truth as best I know it. Nothing less, nothing more.

                  •  OK you make some good points (0+ / 0-)

                    I did not go and search for all the Edwards posts and then check how many you posted on, so, yes, my statement there was inaccurate.  Sorry.  I based it on what I saw, looking just at Edwards threads I happened to read and remember.  

                    Also, of course, no one should bash any candidate.  I myself have done some Hillary bashing, and I should stop.  I've never bashed Obama, that I recall.  I don't usually follow Obama threads - heck, there's a limit to what I can read and how many comments I can write (I did write almost 1000 in the last 2 weeks....).

                    But the point where I still disagree (and we may just have to agree to disagree) is that you are bashing Edwards - I am NOT saying that your opinion is not worthwhile, or that it is some sort of fantasy.  You are basing your opinion on the facts and your thoughts of the facts.  So is (virtually) everyone else here.  

                    I just think that nearly all the Edwards people have heard your viewpoint.  The reason, then, that your posts (in my view) hurt your credibility is that they are strictly anti-Edwards - you think Edwards is engaging in dishonesty and fakery, and you are certainly entitled to your opinion.  But most people on the Edwards threads disagree with you, and I don't think you are doing yourself or Obama any favors by your statements.  Of course, I could be wrong.....that happens a lot.

    •  And Kerry used Vilasck's organization to get him (0+ / 0-)

      to the top.

      That really worries me here about Clinton.

      Getting propelled by Vice President nominee Vilasck(potentially heh) to the
      nomination.

      Rick
      08 Preference - Obama
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      Fox News - We Distort, You Deride

      by rick on Tue Apr 03, 2007 at 02:46:39 PM PDT

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  •  5.7% is not a "substantial" margin (6+ / 0-)

    With the margin of error, this race is a big o' toss-up, even if the election were held today.  Considering it is not held today, the election is even more of a toss-up among the big three.

  •  I wonder if that is the reason..... (4+ / 0-)

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    for the sudden stampede in other states for earlier primary dates - to soften the impact Edwards might make with a win in Iowa.

    To be fair, he has never stopped working in Iowa, and I think the people of Iowa see him as someone who didn't dump out on them the moment the caucus was over.

  •  I kick people in the shins... (3+ / 0-)

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    ...for saying "electable".

    ESPECIALLY Iowans.

    I trust Obama's judgment more than I trust my own. Why are YOU telling him what to do?

    by Leggy Starlitz on Tue Apr 03, 2007 at 01:36:42 PM PDT

    •  Electable (0+ / 0-)

      Electable

      Electable.

      Kick away.

      A Vote For John Edwards Is A Vote For Yourself. Iowa Underground

      by ThunderHawk13 on Tue Apr 03, 2007 at 01:55:02 PM PDT

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      •  *kick* (0+ / 0-)

        Frankly, ALL our candidates are electable, because the GOP's field is so weak, and even if a decent candidate emerges (and survives the primaries), we can tie said candidate to Bush and the rest of the mess.  

        The question should not be about "electable".  It should be about who would be the best president.  And our worst candidates are better than their best candidates.

        I trust Obama's judgment more than I trust my own. Why are YOU telling him what to do?

        by Leggy Starlitz on Tue Apr 03, 2007 at 02:01:20 PM PDT

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        •  Not all. (0+ / 0-)

          In my opinion.

          Kucinich, Clinton both have big problems.

          Rick
          08 Preference - Obama
          -9.63 -6.92
          Fox News - We Distort, You Deride

          by rick on Tue Apr 03, 2007 at 02:50:38 PM PDT

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          •  Kucinich, maybe (0+ / 0-)

            He's too overtly flaky and non-mainstream.  But Clinton?  She's quite electable.  After 15 years of the right wing noise machine using her for boogeyperson, it'll be VERY difficult to increase her negatives.  And while Democrats may be unenthusiastic about her, they WILL vote for her, in the end.  I think she could do a great deal to improve her image among liberals and moderates.

            The biggest problem isn't that she's unelectable, but rather that she won't have much in the way of coattails.  

            I trust Obama's judgment more than I trust my own. Why are YOU telling him what to do?

            by Leggy Starlitz on Tue Apr 03, 2007 at 03:17:39 PM PDT

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      •  and speaking of Iowa... (0+ / 0-)

        I lived in Iowa through the '84, '88, '92, and '96 seasons, and was one of those orange-hatted Deaniac kooks in 2004.

        I earned the right to kick Iowans when my boss prohibited me from speaking to Jack Kemp ('88) for fear of what I might say on camera.

        I trust Obama's judgment more than I trust my own. Why are YOU telling him what to do?

        by Leggy Starlitz on Tue Apr 03, 2007 at 02:03:21 PM PDT

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  •  My internal poll says John Edwards is leading in (7+ / 0-)

    my North Carolina home also.  He is considerded not only the most electable Democratic Presidential candidate, but the most likely to move America in the direction most Americans would be proud to pitch in and help with.

    Even my cats are happy with his candidacy.  Unfortunately, we are not Republican, so our cats cannot vote in 2008.

    ;-)

    Another day, another devalued Dollar. -6.00, -6.21

    by funluvn1 on Tue Apr 03, 2007 at 01:36:53 PM PDT

  •  Did Edwards just pass Obama in NH? (3+ / 0-)

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    I thought I saw that on CNN.

  •  Go John Edwards! (0+ / 0-)

    Edwards/Feingold '08?

    Edwards/Obama?

    Obama/Edwards?

    Edwards/Clark?

    The combinations thrill me.

  •  "Most Electable." (4+ / 0-)

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    That worked out so well last time.

    I'll take the guy/gal with the best ideas, thank you very much. And as of now I haven't figured out which one that is.

  •  Obama also shows broader support statewide (2+ / 0-)

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    among registered voters in Iowa relative to his numbers among Democrats, which speaks to his broader appeal nationwide in a general election.  

    When registered Iowa voters were given the top six candidates by name, Clinton led statewide with 19.3 percent, followed closely by a near-tie between Edwards, 17.6 percent, and Obama, 16.7 percent

    Considering Obama's lower number among Democrats in this particular poll, the fact that he's so close to Hillary and Edwards among all voters speaks to his broad appeal.  

    But I can't believe you missed the biggest shocker of the poll, which also backs this reasoning up: Obama comes in fourth among registered REPUBLICAN voters in Iowa:

    Giuliani: 22.8%
    McCain: 21.2%
    Romney: 17.4%
    Obama: 11.8%

    No, I'm not kidding, read the part about registered Republicans: http://news-releases.uiowa.edu/...  

    This poll also has great news for Democrats turning Iowa blue in 2008 whoever the nominee is, as a full 27.4% of registered Iowa Republicans picked one of the Democrats.

    Obama/McCaskill vs. McCain/Jindal? Call it a funny feeling.

    by ShadowSD on Tue Apr 03, 2007 at 01:47:34 PM PDT

    •  You might want to run that past (1+ / 0-)

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      a logic professor.

      I think you might be assuming some facts not in evidence.

      A Vote For John Edwards Is A Vote For Yourself. Iowa Underground

      by ThunderHawk13 on Tue Apr 03, 2007 at 01:53:44 PM PDT

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    •  So Obama is a long shot (1+ / 0-)

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      in the Republican primary!  4th.

      Hmmmm.  I'm from the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party.  I'd rather lead with Democrats.

      "The answer is to end our reliance on carbon-based fuels." Al Gore, 7/17/08

      by TomP on Tue Apr 03, 2007 at 01:59:58 PM PDT

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      •  so, you're telling us that, had the poll (2+ / 0-)

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        looked this way:

        Giuliani: 22.8%
        McCain: 21.2%
        Romney: 17.4%
        Edwards: 11.8%

        then you'd be dismissing it by saying this? :

        So Edwards is a long shot (0 / 0)

        in the Republican primary!  4th.

        Hmmmm.  I'm from the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party.  I'd rather lead with Democrats.

      •  Tom, were you listening? (0+ / 0-)

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        27.4% of registered Iowa Republicans picked a Democrat, and although Obama did the best with 11.8%, it's pretty obvious that Edwards and Clinton each got a surprising amount of Republican votes, which is great news for the Democratic Party in a red state.  Stop using it as an opportunity to bash a candidate you don't support with a narrative you like to reinforce every chance you get; more often than not, I find your posts to be quite positive and fair, but turning good news for Democrats into bad news for a Democratic candidate that doesn't enjoy your personal support is not one of those moments.  Did I criticize Edwards once in my post?

        These red state GOP voters in question are mostly moderate Republican women who have turned on the Iraq war, and are on the verge of bolting from the party permanently if given the option of a Barack Obama (and I believe, to a lesser degree, a John Edwards as well); such a shift, and only such a shift, would make a huge Democratic landslide victory in 2008 (as opposed to a close win or a fairly comfortable victory).  

        I like the idea of the GOP losing in a landslide.  

        Don't you?

        Obama/McCaskill vs. McCain/Jindal? Call it a funny feeling.

        by ShadowSD on Tue Apr 03, 2007 at 02:52:41 PM PDT

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    •  Obama is doing fine in Iowa (2+ / 0-)

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      considering he has been running for, like 2 months. Edwards has been campaigning in Iowa since 2002.  

  •  aren't these the same guys who said kerry (2+ / 0-)

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    was electable?

    why iowans get to decide this issue is beyond me.  why doesn't california or florida have this role?  i know, i know, this stuff just gets under my skin sometimes...

    1. Awakening of Capital. 2. Meeting of cars and aeroplanes 3. Dining on the terrace of the Casino 4. Skirmish in the oasis.

    by neontrace on Tue Apr 03, 2007 at 01:50:27 PM PDT

  •  Kerry Was The Most Electable (0+ / 0-)

    How did that work out for you.  

    How soon before he gets in, does Edwards get duped into another war.

    Be sure to thank Edwards for helping to bankrupt America, and killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqi.

    You should really be ashamed to support a tool like this.

    Mr. EDWARDS. Mr. President, I am here to speak in support of the resolution before us, which I cosponsored. I believe we must vote for this resolution not because we want war, but because the national security of our country requires action. The prospect of using force to protect our security is the most difficult decision a Nation must ever make.

    We all agree that this is not an easy decision. It carries many risks. If force proves necessary, it will also carry costs, certainly in resources, and perhaps in lives. After careful consideration, I believe that the risks of inaction are far greater than the risks of action.

    Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal.

    Edwards in his own words 9/12/2002

    Mr. EDWARDS. Mr. President, as a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, I firmly believe that the issue of Iraq is not about politics. It's about national security. We know that for at least 20 years, Saddam Hussein has aggressively and obsessively sought weapons of mass destruction through every means available. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons today. He has used them in the past, and he is doing everything he can to build more. Each day he inches closer to his longtime goal of nuclear capability--a capability that could be less than a year away.
    I believe that Saddam Hussein's Iraqi regime represents a clear threat to the United States, to our allies, to our interests around the world, and to the values of freedom and democracy we hold dear.

    Saddam has proven his willingness to act irrationally and brutally against his neighbors and against his own people. Iraqi's destructive capacity has the potential to throw the entire Middle East into chaos, and poses a mortal threat to our vital ally, Israel.

    What's more, the terrorist threat against America is all too clear. Thousands of terrorist operatives around the world would pay anything to get their hands on Saddam's arsenal, and there is every possibility that he could turn his weapons over to these terrorists. No one can doubt that if the terrorists of September 11 had had weapons of mass destruction, they would have used them. On September 12, 2002, we can hardly ignore the terrorist threat, and the serious danger that Saddam would allow his arsenal to be used in aid of terror.

  •  Did you just say Electable? (0+ / 0-)

    This is a joke, right?

  •  Iowans. (1+ / 0-)

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       Don't pick the "most electable" candidate, because you have obviously have bad judgement on that account.  Pick the one who will best represent you.  That's what primaries are for!

    John McCain lets lobbyists shape his economic policy

    by redrelic17 on Tue Apr 03, 2007 at 02:21:07 PM PDT

  •  sooner or later the Democrats in this party (1+ / 0-)

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    are going to have  to get smart. No kick to anyone, but too many are always trying to show off their college educations, their mastery of the English language, and their divine right by the almighty to be the only ones to dictate the parties candidate.

    Think big. This is a party with the big tent. Honestly, do you think that either Obama or Hillary could ever be elected? If you do, you're only fooling yourself and no one else. Yea I know, only a hundred thousand more votes would have done it in 2000 and 2004. That is rationalizing, and I must have heard it a hundred thousand times already.

    Either John Edwards or Al Gore can win and will win if we just get smart with who heads the ticket. Al's not running so it has to be John. Both Obama and Hillary bring a lot of support and would be great VP's, which I think one of them will be.

    "The tide is with us, let's all stop rowing the other way."

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