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Will Marriage Inequality Affect My Health Insurance?

Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 08:41:48 AM PDT

Update - See below.

My girlfriend and I have been together roughly four years now. We have a 17 month old son together, have been living together in our current apartment under a co-lease agreement for a year, and lived roughly a year in our previous apartment (w/o me on the lease, but legally obliged by it {scattered references}). Before that, I lived with my brother and she lived with her sister, and before that, she with her parents.

I work at UPENN and it is currently Open Enrollment for benefits, something I desperately need to sign up for. Our intention was to sign myself, my girlfriend, and our son up under a plan. However, we're not sure how to file my girlfriend's status.

She's not a domestic partner, since we're a heterosexual couple and we don't fit the general requirements for a common-law marriage, which includes joint tax filings, among other things.

I called Penn Benefits to ask how I should summarize my relationship with my girlfriend and the woman I spoke with mentioned a few points before suggesting that I contact HR directly.

  1. Filing jointly helps identify a common-law marriage. The problem with this, however, is that without some form of pre-existing formal certification of common-law marriage, I don't see how we even could file our taxes jointly as is, so this one's out.
  1. A joint bank account. We do not have one currently, nor have we had one ever. We could certainly create one but something is telling me that a joint bank account as a pre-requisite is going to require a longer standing history than one I could create today.
  1. "Proof" of our relationship going back as far as September xx, 2003.

Here are my problems with this setup. First off, when we first met almost four years ago, we had no idea that almost 4 years later, we'd still be together, sharing an apartment, and raising a child. Nobody can predict the future and so I think as a pre-requisite for extending my benefits to my girlfriend, it's a pretty shabby and weak point to have to fulfill.

Marriage, especially in today's age, is not something that everyone does anymore, and oftentimes, for good reason. Now, we've discussed getting married but it's been more from a financial point of view as in terms of getting a larger tax break for married couples but overall, marriage as an institution is not something we're particularly concerned with. We're committed to each other, we know this, and we have a son that we're jointly responsible for, both financially as well as parentally.

What complicates this matter, and which I find highly unfair, is the status of domestic couples, which UPENN has set aside a specific set of justifications and clarifications for in order to allow same-sex couples to extend and share benefits.

Here's the thing. As it currently looks to be, I cannot easily extend benefits to my girlfriend because she is just my girlfriend. However, if we were a same-sex couple, I would be able to extend those benefits to my girlfriend, especially because we have a child together.

What I find unfair is that it appears that generally speaking, unless we can narrowly fit some sort of criteria for a common-law marriage, we would otherwise have to get married in order for me to be able to extend my benefits to my long-standing girlfriend and mother of my child, both which I live with in our shared apartment.

If one of the "notions" of why I cannot extend benefits to my girlfriend is that being we're a heterosexual couple, full state sanctioned marriage is an open option to us, and yet the availability of benefits is extended to homosexual couples in light of the fact that full state sanctioned marriage is not extended to those couples, then one of two things, in my opinion, needs to occur.

Provisions need to either be adjusted to recognize long-term committed relationships, especially where children are involved and both parents have jointly opted out of marriage for whatever reason...

or...

...full state sanctioned marriage rights need to be offered to homosexual couples.

Honestly, if the latter occurred, I'd be more happy as there's obviously marriage inequality in this country that ought not to be and speaking soley for myself, one of these reasons I'm not jumping on the marriage bandwagon is specifically because of this. However, the overall point that benefits might be denied to my girlfriend on the possible grounds that we are not married while concurrently, benefits for homosexual couples aren't denied outside of marriage is completely absurd and in the end, just creates yet another example of inequality where one should not exist.

All the above said, I've yet to speak to my HR department so perhaps things will become clearer and make more sense. Yet if my basic understanding laid out above is correct overall, then this is seriously messed up and I blame insurance companies as well as those who fight tooth and nail against extending full marriage recognition to  homosexual couples for making what should be an easy process difficult and often, unavailable.

I'm going to try to get into our HR department to get some clarification and hopefully, an update will come later today but I'm certainly interested in anyone's thoughts and/or experiences regarding this type of situation and how you dealt with it, got around it, or what.

Thanks.

Update FWIW

I just got back from my HR department (as I said I would check in with further) and ultimately, yes, unless I can prove our relationship was in effect as far back as Sept/03, filed taxes jointly, or had a joint bank account or home-ownership, we have to become married (civil, at least) in order to add my girlfriend to my benefits plan.

In the meantime, we will add my son to my benefits and discuss the marriage option further as I have to ultimately get our son insured anyways since, it's open enrollment for only a limited time, but in the event we get married, I can always add my wife at any time.

While there, we discussed what I've presented above and they related a point many here have made in that without some type of contractual document indicating a committed relationship, companies will not insure because - who knows - I could have one girlfriend one day and another the next.

And I understand the reason. Jokingly, I asked the person I was speaking with if they take into account the current divorce rate in this country and how people get married and get divorced all the time and whether they weighed that in any manner into these types of insurance decisions.

She said it didn't matter.

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  •  Our situation (3+ / 0-)

    Right now we do not worry too much about that. We both have jobs that provide health coverage. However, I keep our son under my plan since she would otherwise be required to pay an extra fee to have him under hers.

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."- Thomas Jefferson

    by RandyMI on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 08:41:35 AM PDT

    •  Here's our situation. (2+ / 0-)

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      She works for a very small company and currently covers herself and our son. UPENN is an exponentially larger employer that can offer a much greater rate for insurance through bulk plan coverage for employees.

      We would save money by having all three of us on a plan through my employer as opposed to getting my own coverage for myself and/or our child and leaving her to pay higher benefits just for herself through hers.

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      by Stand Strong on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 08:47:23 AM PDT

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    •  I'm in a similar situation (2+ / 0-)

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      been together 4 years, not married...but we're lucky that we met the standards the State of Texas requires to be considered a heterosexual domestic partnership, including a joint bank account, co-ownership of a house, driver's licenses showing the same address, etc.  Had to meet like 4 out of 10 or something like that. (I am also lucky to have a good employer).

      I agree with you, the process should be simpler for everyone.  Using only marriage or the lack thereof as a determinant for health insurance coverage is wrong, not only on the discrimination side of things but wrong because it denies so many people the coverage that they deserve.

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      by Sean in Motion on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 08:55:21 AM PDT

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  •  This country (7+ / 0-)

    needs to realize that this isnt the 1930s and we need a complete overhaul of our system for identifying domestic partnerships.

    Thanks for the human side.

  •  My employer (6+ / 0-)

    used to offer domestic-partner benefits only to gay couples, under the presumption that unmarried straight couples were free to get married if they wanted the benefits of marriage.  Now that gay marriage is legal in MA, only married people (gay or straight) can qualify for partner benefits.  They applied a very even-handed approach so that the same rules applied to everyone.

    If it's that important to you that your partner is covered under your plan, get married.  As you pointed out, there are tax advantages and inheritance benefits too.  

    I don't understand the benefits to raising a child with a person you're living with and in a committed relationship with that would counter-balance the benefits of marriage.   You seem to be married in all but name, anyway.

    •  Yup (3+ / 0-)

      I used to have domestic partner benefits through my company by proving shared finances and residence; my friend, who was in a heterosexual relationship, couldn't get them for her boyfriend. It's hard to say "you can just get married" because she couldn't treat legal marriage that cavalierly. Besides, I could walk away from my joint bank account and shared apartment more easily than anyone can from a state marriage.

      Gay marriage came to Massachusetts, I got married, and several months later so did she. We all now have health insurance for our spouses. My company did away with domestic partner benefits for unmarried gay couples. I remember the Freepers cackling over this, as if it were some unexpected blow to gay couples who foolishly insisted on marriage. How can I complain? I think it's perfectly fair.

      •  Exactly. (1+ / 0-)

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        The main reason I got married (two weeks before marriage equality became fact here in MA) was because I'd have lost my heath insurance through my husband's company.  Before May 17, 2004, they covered all domestic partners (requiring cohabitation of two non-related adults as the primary criterion); they notified everyone in January of that year that unless the ConCon provided an alternative, they would only be covering married couples.

        Otherwise, we'd have probably waited until I was pregnant.  The whole "who has authority over the kid" issues trump my personal dislike for living in an institution.

    •  Wherein lies part of my point (1+ / 0-)

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      Nina Katarina

      Essentially what you've stated as an option, if it comes down to the only way to get benefits for my girlfriend under my plan, would be a forced marriage, if you think about it.

      "Want benefits? Get married!"

      "But - I don't want to get married as I don't agree with it as an institution, especially as long as there remains marriage inequality."

      "Tough. Then don't get benefits."

      I don't want to have to have my arm twisted, so to speak, just to get benefits for the mother of my child but furthermore, this is the crux of my central argument that if homosexual, non-married couples can extend benefits to each other, but a heterosexual, non-married couple cannot, then isn't that creating yet another inequality?

      We've been arguing about marriage inequality for years for homosexual couples especially with regards to the extension of family and health benefits and now that the law and states are coming into line with this reality of society, suddenly the loophole created to benefit them shuts my girlfriend and I out?

      I work and will be paying for my benefits. What more do I honestly need to do?

      My signature beat up your signature.

      by Stand Strong on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 08:58:47 AM PDT

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      •  it's the marriage INequality that's unequal... (4+ / 0-)

        not the fact that you and your gf can't get benefits together while an unmarried same-gender couple can.

        They can't get married. No matter how much they'd like to, how long they've been together. You can. At the least you can change enough of your circumstances (opening a joint bank account for example) to- eventually- qualify as a common-law marriage. They can't do that, either.

        Others here have noted that many companies in Massachusetts now require couples to be married to obtain benefits. That's fine with me!

        Blue will always be my favorite color.

        by brillig on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 09:19:50 AM PDT

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        •  But that's just my point. (1+ / 0-)

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          An unmarried (in the eyes of the state) homosexual couple are able, through domestic partnership provisions (state, company specific), to extend employer based health benefits to their partner.

          They don't have the marriage option to begin with, you're right. Marriage doesn't even enter into that picture since alternate provisions have been or are being created to cover said individuals and situations.

          Why must I or why should I get married just to receive benefits if homosexual couples, denied full marriage rights to begin with, can get benefits fully extended?

          I'm trying not to cloud the overall situation and I'm certainly not coming down on homosexual couples or trying to lay blame on them and I hope everybody reading this understand that.

          My signature beat up your signature.

          by Stand Strong on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 09:26:11 AM PDT

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  •  This diary might be a bad idea (0+ / 0-)

    I can now see the Reich Wing arguing against universal health care on the grounds that it will destroy the "traditional family".

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."- Thomas Jefferson

    by RandyMI on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 08:58:06 AM PDT

    •  I think it's a bad idea (0+ / 0-)

      because it might serve as an excuse to abolish the proof of relationship criteria.  Although awkward, a lot of progressive employers are using this as a way to extend benefits to gay and lesbian domestic partners of employees.  Given that all employees are in the 'must cut benefits as much as possible' mode, all they need is a flimsy excuse to cancel these benefits as well.

  •  marriage benefits (3+ / 0-)

    i wonder how many people in this country get married for the insurance benefits?

    i doubt you'll get your girl covered by penn but, even if it costs you more by having different policies, make sure you all are insured.  

  •  I must have missed something (0+ / 0-)

    You've been a couple for years and have a son together.  Why not get married and make it easier for you?

  •  I have some friends (1+ / 0-)

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    Who were in a committed long-term (over 10 year) relationship with each other, owned a house together, etc...they finally were forced to get married for purely legalistic/economic reasons.

    It is kind of a weird double standard, I agree.

  •  Well jeez, you are making these choices (1+ / 0-)

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    I don't get it. YOU TWO made the choice to have a child, and the choice not to get married. That's your choice (one that is not open to everyone) yet you expect your employer to accomodate you without few/no consequences.

    You could choose to get married and everybody'd be covered.

    You could choose to accept the consequences of what you're doing now.

    Yeah, everybody, straight or gay, should be able to be married. Yeah, all the rules should be fair. But not all of them are yet, and until they are, you have some more choices to make. Consider yourself lucky.  

    "A clown is like aspirin, only he works twice as fast" - Groucho Marx

    by Morpheus on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 09:06:45 AM PDT

    •  Why should I be required to get married (1+ / 0-)

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      just to get benefits for my entire family? Doesn't that kind of take away the whole "choice" of whether or not to get married?

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      by Stand Strong on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 09:12:20 AM PDT

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      •  Besides, (0+ / 0-)

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        Cassandra Waites

        I always thought that some of the vows of marriage were "the hold and to cherish", "through thick and through thin", "in sickness and in health", and "til death do you part."

        That's what marriage is about. That's what's supposed to be special about marriage.

        I don't recall any vows to the tune of "so health benefits are cheaper" or "so tax breaks increase."

        The whole meaning of marriage has been scattered around such ideas as "traditional family" and "values" that marriage itself is no longer what it was traditionally intended to symobolize.

        My signature beat up your signature.

        by Stand Strong on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 09:18:03 AM PDT

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        •  Two flavors of marriage (3+ / 0-)

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          I always thought that some of the vows of marriage were "the hold and to cherish", "through thick and through thin", "in sickness and in health", and "til death do you part."

          That's what marriage is about.

          That's what religious marriage is about. And I'm perfectly happy letting each religious denomination decide who'll they'll marry thusly. Mine will marry two people regardless of gender, others won't.

          I don't recall any vows to the tune of "so health benefits are cheaper" or "so tax breaks increase."

          Welcome to the institution of civil marriage. THIS, IMHO, is what the state gets to regulate and THIS is what needs to be available to couples regardless of gender.

          That marriage certificate gets you a civil marriage. Nothing more, nothing less.

          Blue will always be my favorite color.

          by brillig on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 09:27:28 AM PDT

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          •  You're right. (2+ / 0-)

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            And we're certainly aware of that provision as well and have considered just going down to City Hall, getting a marriage license, and getting married in the eyes of the court.

            Some will surely ask "Well, why don't you? What's stopping you? If it's that easy..."

            And my only response is that it's the feeling of being herded, so to speak, to have to undertake a specific action just to attain certain things that I don't agree with.

            My signature beat up your signature.

            by Stand Strong on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 09:31:25 AM PDT

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      •  You're like a 3-year-old... (1+ / 0-)

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        who keeps asking "why" to every question.

        The answer is "because"..

        Because the rules are set up that way.

        Because the path of freaking least resistance is getting married, or somehow otherwise acknowledging your common law status.

        You're digging in your heels over nonsense.

        Grow up.

        The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it -- GB Shaw

        by kmiddle on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 09:30:11 AM PDT

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        •  I'm glad you see it as nonsense. (0+ / 0-)

          My signature beat up your signature.

          by Stand Strong on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 09:32:45 AM PDT

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          •  No. I see it as... (0+ / 0-)

            someone who is who's trying to figure a way out of actually accepting responsibility for his family, like a mature adult would.  

            You can get married in an afternoon, depending on your location. From anywhere in the country, it would take less than 24 hours to hop a plane to Vegas, get hitched and come home. Problem solved. You don't have to  wear a ring, she doesn't have to change her name, you can keep your separate checking accounts and filing status if you want. But NOOOO -- that's not good enough for you. You want to game the system somehow so you can avoid responsibility.  

            If your relationship doesn't last, it won't be because the institution of marriage is faulty. It'll be because you're an emotionally immature lunkhead.

            The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it -- GB Shaw

            by kmiddle on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 11:34:08 AM PDT

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            •  "Judge not lest ye be judged yourself" (0+ / 0-)

              For starters, who the FUCK pissed in your Cheerios?

              Secondly, if the only way you're going to respond is by being hyper-critical, offensive, and now, personally attacking me by calling me irresponsible and accusing me of trying to "game the system" to avoid responsibility (of what, exactly I'm unsure), as well as calling me an emotionally immature lunkhead, you clearly don't understand

              1. The purpose of this diary overall and
              1. Me.

              You've already ass/u/med a little to much so far, don't you think?

              However, if you'd like to push your panties back into your mouth, reach around behind you, and then pull them back out of your ass where they've clearly become thoroughly entrenched, and then dust off the 2 pounds of sand you've collected in them so far, I'd be more than willing to engage you if you have something useful or of benefit to say.

              My signature beat up your signature.

              by Stand Strong on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 11:53:51 AM PDT

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      •  I'm not saying that (1+ / 0-)

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        Nowhere do I say you should be required to get married. You have a choice and you've made it.

        Likewise your employer has to make a choice about who they will cover. Marriage is the legally-recognized way we make commitments; you've chosen not to make that commitment; why shouldn't your choice have consequences?

        Do you think your employer should provide health coverage to any stranger who claims to have some connection to you? Probably not, but they have to draw a line somewhere. Drawing the line at marriage is a pretty reasonable way to do it - again, based on the law, not your or my ideas of what is fair.

        I am not saying any of this stuff is perfect or the way things ought to be. I'm saying it's the way thngs are,

        "A clown is like aspirin, only he works twice as fast" - Groucho Marx

        by Morpheus on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 10:20:54 AM PDT

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  •  other legal stuff (1+ / 0-)

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    Stand Strong

    slightly ot, but make sure you have your living will and healthcare proxy so that your gf isn't shut out of making medical decisions for you (if that's what you want) in case you are incapacitated, and hopefully she won't be shut out of seeing you since she's not officially family.

    something to think about.

  •  No (2+ / 0-)

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    your insurance is already a worthless con. Try to claim anything major and you will be denied. It is nothing personal, they deny everyone. How else are they going to uphold their legal duty to their shareholders to maximize profits?

  •  those three points? (0+ / 0-)

    They are the same that queer couples establishing a domestic partnership have to follow.

    Welcome to my world.

    When do I get to vote on your marriage?

    by tvb on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 09:15:25 AM PDT

    •  It was a rough transcript from a brief phone call (0+ / 0-)

      with a benefits rep who clearly didn't have access to the information I really need to look into. I'm just going on what she generally laid out.

      My signature beat up your signature.

      by Stand Strong on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 09:19:09 AM PDT

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      •  they are pretty standard (0+ / 0-)

        Proof of shared residency + proof of interdependence on financial issues(bank acct or joint credit accts) + proof of relationship.

        When do I get to vote on your marriage?

        by tvb on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 09:22:58 AM PDT

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        •  What's "proof of relationship?" (0+ / 0-)

          My signature beat up your signature.

          by Stand Strong on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 09:26:53 AM PDT

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          •  are you both on the baby's BC? (0+ / 0-)

            That should be plenty.

            When do I get to vote on your marriage?

            by tvb on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 09:30:36 AM PDT

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          •  PS (2+ / 0-)

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            Be prepared to pay heavy tax consequences for those benefits btw. They have taxable worth according to the IRS and you will be taxed on their value.  If the company says they are worth $1000/month on the open market, that is the amount you will be taxed on.

            When do I get to vote on your marriage?

            by tvb on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 09:32:28 AM PDT

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          •  what? the 3 points suggested by CRM (1+ / 0-)

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            Stand Strong

            this is a human rights topic close to my heart.

            your expectation, "formal certification of common-law marriage," is contradiction in terms. common-law is the designation of lawful but undocumented (non-legal but not illegal?) acts -- in this case the missing marriage license viz cohabitation, whence come requests for corroborating material support. and what qualifies varies by state, but persistence is usually the default.

            check out "common-law marriage" resources and fact sheets at unmarried.org, especially the link to list of legal and financial books. (i've flipped through Living Together: A Legal Guide for Unmarried Couples at my local B&N.)

            in our family my child and self are covered separately, and um various financial arrangements leave a trail, so to speak. i'd say the crucial thing for you is to arrive with confidence at some "understanding" with HR to produce. sabe?

            this stuff is black box, beyond the pale of  patriarchal statute. wingers can't stand it. but you can make the most of it if you can keep a sense of humor.

            Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

            by MarketTrustee on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 11:05:46 AM PDT

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            •  TY (0+ / 0-)

              I appreciate your comment, as well as your link. I'll be checking that out. In the meantime, I updated the story to reflect basically what I picked up from visiting HR just a short while ago.

              My signature beat up your signature.

              by Stand Strong on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 11:10:11 AM PDT

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              •  PA is one of 16 states recognizing clm (1+ / 0-)

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                HR's 2003 requirement seemed arbitrary to me until i noticed that limitations are recently enacted. see unmarried.org

                • Pennsylvania (if created before 1/1/05)

                yet, as you report, the state doesn't care about the the factual permanence or obligations imbued by marriage contracts. if it did, nobody and no child would have to sue in order to maintain the "benefits" of marriage in the event of divorce.

                why does america hate its citizens?

                Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

                by MarketTrustee on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 12:17:42 PM PDT

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  •  I'm in a completely converse situation. (5+ / 0-)

    I have a shared bank account with my housemate, because we own this house together.

    Yet, he and I will never marry, as one of us is gay and one of us is opposed to marriage on principle.

    However--I found on my credit report that I was listed as Mrs. housemate as a possible alias--a name I guarantee I have NEVER used and never would.

    Although we meet many criteria of unmarried partners we would not want to be considered as such.

    What would be nice:  if all humans were treated equally for health insurance regardless of "legal" documents.

    It is just bizarre the way it works now.  

  •  Yet another example of why employment based (5+ / 0-)

    health insurance is such a bad idea.

    Impeach or be impeached.

    by Hens Teeth on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 09:41:40 AM PDT

  •  Kinda had to grit my teeth (4+ / 0-)

    In order to get through this diary and read the whole thing before commenting.  I commend the author on his tact and thoughtfulness.  Its very (too) easy for me to go off on a heterosexual couple who elect not to marry, when that (marriage) was denied me and my late partner.  Had we been able to marry, I would have gotten at least some Social Security.  As it was, I had to take comfort in the very small victory of forcing the state to pay for her funeral.

    Now, I am in another relationship.  It is a same-sex relationship, with a loophole that I am going to exploit to its fullest.  Due to our patchwork of laws, my SO can present a legal document depicting 'male' status, while I can produce a birth certificate that says 'female'.  We will have a legal marriage, that will become a defacto same-sex one by the end of the year.  

    I have chosen to enter into a marriage SPECIFICALLY to secure economic protection.  Love came later, but not unexpectedly.  To my mind, economic protection takes absolute precedence.  Now we can more easily survive unemployment by one of us, and there is some hope of protection post-mortem as well.

    •  I appreciate you not going off on me. (0+ / 0-)

      It appears I struck a nerve with some people on this topic. It certainly wasn't intended when I wrote this as it was meant to be informing for me as I've never dealt with health insurance through an employer before and since I have a family and this situation opened upon me, I wasn't sure what the options are, what the consensus was, or what advice or insight others here might be able to provide me with in regards to a situation like this and how the overall healthcare situation in this country affects and ties into married and unmarried homosexual and heterosexual couples.

      Perhaps I haven't fully invested my attention into universal healthcare, as one commentor suggested this would cure all these problems and perhaps I haven't looked into non-employer insurance since it's often a problem, as another commentor pointed out.

      My signature beat up your signature.

      by Stand Strong on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 11:08:32 AM PDT

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  •  Well, (0+ / 0-)

    here's my take: you need to decide whether or not you are going to make a real commitment to each other. My hunch is that you want to be able to walk away at any time, with the only obligation being financial and emotional support of your child.

    Do you realize that by not having a joint bank account you are putting each other in financial danger? What happens if one of you is disabled unexpectedly? What of one of you dies unexpectedly? The able-bodied or surviving partner would have no legal claim on the money in the other's account, at least until the will, if you have one, is probated.
    Yes, having a small amount of money in separate accounts for each of you is a good idea, for gifts and small personal purchases, but paying the bulk of your bills from separate accounts, is, in my view, asking for disaster.

       Just my two cents,
           Heather

    •  flag on the field (0+ / 0-)

      for truly uninformative financial and legal advice.

      Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

      by MarketTrustee on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 11:36:21 AM PDT

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      •  I'm always willing to learn. (0+ / 0-)

        What have I messed up ?

           Curious and listening with open ears,
               Heather

        •  For starters (1+ / 0-)

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          My hunch is that you want to be able to walk away at any time, with the only obligation being financial and emotional support of your child.

          Your hunch, shared apparently by another, is dead wrong and couldn't be farther from the truth. How people misconstrued what I wrote and somehow correlated it with my desire to be an irresponsible parent is both unfounded, and personally, a despicable accusation.

          To continue

          Do you realize that by not having a joint bank account you are putting each other in financial danger? What happens if one of you is disabled unexpectedly? What of one of you dies unexpectedly? The able-bodied or surviving partner would have no legal claim on the money in the other's account, at least until the will, if you have one, is probated.

          We're working on this but given our current financial situation, we literally strapped as is paying our current bills which coincidentally, is why we want all three of us on my insurance as it will save us money all around.

          And lastly

          Yes, having a small amount of money in separate accounts for each of you is a good idea, for gifts and small personal purchases, but paying the bulk of your bills from separate accounts, is, in my view, asking for disaster.

          We both understand that but for the reason listed immediately above, as well as the fact that we're realizing a lot of things kind of all at once, again, having a joint account just hasn't happened yet.

          My signature beat up your signature.

          by Stand Strong on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 12:16:11 PM PDT

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          •  I apologize for hunching incorrectly. (0+ / 0-)

            I still truly don't understand what your limited financial situation (and believe me, I've been there) has to do with opening a joint bank account. Does it have to do with having to maintain a certain balance in your account?

               Still curious,
                 Heather

               

            •  That's certainly part of it. (0+ / 0-)

              And we've intended on opening a joint account for, I think, two tax cycles now and they were contingent on the tax returns.

              We've also been neglectful in terms of making the time. We literally play hit and miss with each other in between juggling the kid between our work schedules, getting parents to provide some day care as well as paying our babysitter to watch our child so that we can both go to work and won't have to miss a day, and thus, the money associated with missed time.

              It's really about that tight. We are just about literally a paycheck away from being screwed 7 ways from Sunday. Not a paycheck each, but just one paycheck. And we both work fulltime and are dealing with our situation as best as possible.

              My signature beat up your signature.

              by Stand Strong on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 01:02:05 PM PDT

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