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The Replacements Have Something To Tell You About Politics

Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 10:42:16 PM PDT

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Recently, as the 2008 elections apparently draw near (note: they ain't that near), the same old story and debates over how to approach undecided and even conservative voters disaffected with this President are flaring up.  Not only on a site such as this one, but in conversations with people in my life, and certainly with the Talking Head Class.

I try to be pragmatic.  I certainly would not chase away any voters who've been led astray--or led themselves astray, no matter how long--who have had a genuine epiphany.  This is why I appreciate David Brock, for example, although others will never accept the work he now does.  If you've voted Republican in the last 5 presidential elections, but just can't take it any more and see what you want in the Democratic Party--whether it was the war, Katrina, anti-lower/middle class policies that turned you off the GOP--welcome aboard.

So, that's pragmatism for you.

But when you're "attracting" new voters, regardless of their past, and you've been selling Coke the whole time, you don't freak out and start selling Sprite.  (more)

This is the difference between pragmatism and foolishness, if you ask me.  I have no purity test when it comes to new potential voters who have become fed up with Republicanism.  People who have had a genuine change of heart--not only in politics, but in other areas of life--are often some incredibly thoughtful and influential of people.  As a Jewish kid, I could try to talk to people flirting with neo-Nazism into why that's a mistake, why they're wrong about people like me and other minority groups.  But, despite the fact my stomach might do backflips, sometimes the former skinhead who finally woke up and now talks to kids going down that horrible path is simply the most effective and powerful tool available.  I may never understand how they could have led their prior life for a moment, it may disgust me, but in "fighting the good fight" I could use their help.

Another example: In addition to the fact that I'm against the death penalty, this kind of influence was the most important argument given for not executing Tookie Williams.  Listen, the guy did it.  He committed one of the most callous and despicable crimes imaginable, and nothing he ever did or could do to try to redeem himself would bring back the innocent people he killed in cold blood.  But his books for young people trying to guide them away from the path he took--and in fact, in terms of gangs, the path he friggin' founded--is more effective than anything a squeakly clean suburban kid like me could do talking about "education" and "breaking the cycle of violence."  

Sometimes, former Republicans or conservatives, with their conservative track record and bona fides in order, who have finally seen American conservatism for what it is are really important allies.  On a personal level, I can still hold my grudges for what they may have helped make possible, but pragmatically speaking, they can be really vital to winning converts in a true sense.  Plus, I do actually believe in forgiveness and the idea that people can change, as old fashioned as that may be.

But that's one thing.  Trying to change the central issues of the Democratic Party in order to appeal to the semi-mythical people who both hate the Republicans but want a Party that stands for almost everything the Republicans do is what gets Democrats into deep shit all the time.

Again, back to pragmatism: I understand the sort of Democratic congressperson from a relatively non-urban South Carolina or Oklahoma or Colorado district is not going to believe all the same things my congressman in Massachusetts does.  And I'm okay with that.  Again, this isn't about a purity test; not every person in every district has to sign  on to literally every issue I believe in.  With only two parties, broad coalitions with some occasionally stark differences of opinion on certain issues are inevitable.

But "trying to appeal" to your opposition's voters is a failed strategy.  Not a failing strategy, as this is most certainly in the past tense.  It just doesn't work.  It's been proven already.  While there are plenty of Democrats who go duck hunting, when a Democratic candidate who clearly has nothing to do with that stuff puts on the camo and grabs a rifle for the first time in their lives, everyone knows it's bullshit.  The people it's supposedly "appealing" to know, and the people already in their corner know.  While policy should always come first as far as voting goes, nobody likes a phoney.  Well, unless they can really pull it off (cough cough, Connecticut Bushes).

But that's just image.  On to substance.  Whether it's on civil rights for all Americans, the separation between Church & State (which in no way necessitates hostility towards religion), or not abandoning the poor for a couple extra votes, some things cannot be changed.

This is where The Replacements come in.  Took me long enough.  The ol' Mats.  I'm a bit of a music dork, and Paul Westerberg & Company are among my favorites of all time.  Actually, I'll get to it in a second.

Okay, confession time.  I am not a Democrat.  I have always been and will always be an independent.  It's something of a family tradition.  On my paternal side, at least, I've never had a family member enroll in a party.  Of course, we almost exclusively vote Democratic.  We're good Northeastern Jewish unaffiliated social liberals, economic "moderates".

But I'm unaffiliated for this reason: I don't view party politics like sports teams.  I don't root for the uniform regardless of who's playing in them.  The Democrats have to always earn my vote.  Of course, I won't lie, there are times when the Republican alternative is so frightening I might vote for that reason.  But I'm from Mass., so even on the national level, if the Democrat hasn't at all earned my vote, I may actually abstain without causing too much damage.

In an effort to win your oppposition's voters--something at least a sizeable percentage of Democrats have done too often--you can lose me.  You can lose the people who are voting for you.  You can make so many concessions that the people you take for granted end up being turned off politics altogether.

Okay, here's where the Replacements come in.  As I said, I truly adore them.  I love cigarette-stained vocals in general (I'm looking in your direction, Jeff Tweedy), and Paul Westerberg has a great punk voice.

One of my favorite Replacements song is--cliche, cliche--"Bastards of Young."

There is a line in the last verse of that song that goes thusly:


The ones who love us best are the ones we'll lay to rest
And visit their graves on holidays at best
The ones who love us least are the ones we'll die to please
If it's any consolation, I don't begin to understand them

Democratic Party, don't you dare do that.  You've flirted with it before.  Not all of you, of course.  Probably not even most of you.  But enough to undercut their own party platform by distancing themselves from it and embracing big chunks of their opposition's platform.  There are times where I'm so desperate I even swallow it, to my great personal shame.  But I can't take it anymore.  I won't turn to the dark side, of course, but when it is actually suggested that you portray yourself as conservative as Republicans--or ocassionaly more conservative--I simply can't abide by that.

I'll give a personal example, as no one on here knows who I am.  It's a bit painful, but it helps illustrate the 'Mats lyrics above from "Bastards of Young."

I have two parents.  Surprise, surprise.  I have a father who would do anything for me.  He's kind, considerate, giving, generous, understanding, and loving.  He's always been that way.  I have a mother who's got severe bipolar disorder.  And probably some kind of personality disorder as well, although that's never been diagnosed.  She's cruel, selfish, inconsiderate, mean spirited, and would never help anyone over herself.  She'd take your most painful moment and use to to twist your heart in knots in order to get you to do something.  They've been divorced forever, so they get to be separate entities here.

When I as younger, I would do anything to please my mother.  I would never call her on anything, let her get away with cruel and despicable, even literally criminal behavior.  I would get angry at the victims of her behavior if they so much as snapped at her.  I placated, calmed, and submitted to her all the time.  I always considered how she would react to this or that.  And after all of that, she never really loved me.  Not really, anyway.  (Note: some of this has nothing to do with bipolar disorder, it has more to do with her other issues).  And I would never stop tap dancing for her, until recently, where the state of things finally dawned on me.

And if my dad sneezed in the wrong direction, when I was younger, I would give him a hard time.  He was good, he was always there for me, he was responsible.  So I took him for granted.  Luckily I've outgrown that.  But I took him for granted, because his love for me was guaranteed and genuine.

Democratic Party, don't try to get my mom to love you.  It's not going to happen.  Don't obsess over the "ones who love us least."  It's really early for the 2008 presidential election.  And we've got some great candidates, most of whom don't seem like they'd do that, though history seems to indicate anything's possible.  But there is governing to be done before then, anyway.  And any actions taken or not taken out of the fear of losing votes of people who are NEVER GOING TO VOTE FOR YOU has to be put to bed forever.

If people want to come to the Party, great.  If it takes talking in a different or more effective way, fine.  If they don't agree with literally everything I believe in, that's the reality of a two party system and I'm okay with it.  But don't change the fundamentals of what you believe for the "ones who love us least."  It makes no sense.

And now, I suppose, "it's all over but the shouting."  Get it?

What do you think?

Note: I hope all the night owls and insomniacs like my diary.  I write my very few diaries so late at night not many see them, but I appreciate everyone who takes the time to read.

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  •  I Can't Hardly Wait... (16+ / 0-)

    ...for your opinions, if any.

    Hardy, har, har, har.

  •  Someone take the wheel... (2+ / 0-)

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    fareast, dyrrachium

    The windows are dirty let's hope it rains
    add another newspaper
    something to do with my change
    I see we're fighting again
    In some fucking land
    throw in another tape man

    Someone take the wheel
    and I don't know where we're going.....

  •  It's time (5+ / 0-)

    for Democrats to stop hanging their heads in shame like we've done something wrong.  Because someone doesn't like you, doesn't mean something is wrong with you.

    There's a train coming down the tracks.  You can either stand on the tracks trying to convince a Republican that getting off the tracks is a good idea, or you can get off yourself, lead by example, and let him make the decision to follow.

    Don't confuse this confusion with disorganization, because we're not that organized yet. -5.13/-3.38

    by Grannus on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 11:02:14 PM PDT

    •  You Hit It On The Head... (3+ / 0-)

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      fareast, Grannus, blindyone

      "Because someone doesn't like you, doesn't mean something is wrong with you."

      To use a cliched expression, when you try to be all things to all people, you end up being nothing to anybody.

      I should note my "concern" may be a bit premature...but I am starting to see the conversation crop up of what we need to change to appeal to people who simply, truly are never going to be into the Democrats.

      •  I don't think it's premature (1+ / 0-)

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        dyrrachium

        but I don't think the call to appeal to the staunch Republican crowd will be as loud as in the past.  People are pissed, and they don't want the DLC telling them to play nice.

        Don't confuse this confusion with disorganization, because we're not that organized yet. -5.13/-3.38

        by Grannus on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 11:39:28 PM PDT

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  •  I Don't Think This Is All About Voters (5+ / 0-)

    I agree with the sentiments of the diary to the extent the problem is one of voters.

    But it's not entirely that. Our situation is that virtually all of institutional society is Republican, and trending flat-out aristocratic.

    I think the issue dems are wrestling with is not purely about how to attract both left and right voters but also how to attract enough people and right money. Because so much pointsource money is right.

    Compounding this is that our dominant mainstream information systems are Republican private property.

    So it's been difficult to raise campaign money without support from the Republican economy, and impossible to message the mainstream without the consent of Republican communication infrastructure, which also runs a constant message machine against Democrats.

    The Net makes it possible to raise alternative money but the stakes and the costs are only escalating for communicating to the mainstream.

    We're at the first moment in modern history when conservatism has built up enough unfettered track record that mainstream voters seriously doubt their entire program. So with that in mind I think the diary is right, now's the day and now's the hour to stand proud for what makes us Democrats because people know they need a change, and we have a track record of success as great as the Republicans' failures have been.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 11:02:54 PM PDT

    •  I See Where You're Coming From... (1+ / 0-)

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      fareast

      ...although I was talking more about voters in this particular diary, the issues are obviously greatly entangled.

      The issue of the role of money in big time national, state, and increasingly local politics creates its own list of problems, many of which you have been quite articulate in pinpointing.

    •  Good Point.. (1+ / 0-)

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      dyrrachium

      the people with the money and access to the means of communication tend to be Fundies or Wall St. Gopers.

      When There is No More Room Left in Hell...CONSERVATIVES Will Walk the Earth!

      by jds1978 on Tue Apr 10, 2007 at 02:53:18 PM PDT

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  •  well done. (1+ / 0-)

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    dyrrachium

    While I proudly define myself more and more as a Democrat and move away from the Independent label, I agree with many of your sentiments.

    (And here's my quick Paul Westerberg story - I had the good fortune a few years ago to meet filmmaker and ex-Roling Stone writer Cameron Crowe on several occasions... and of course we'd talk music and film. The subject turned to Paul Westerberg's song for the movie Singles - "Dyslexic Heart." When I told Crowe how much I like the song, he told me that the original home demo was even better. The next time I saw him he handed me a cassette of Westerberg's  home demo. I agree. It's better.)  

    •  Westerberg Is Often Best... (1+ / 0-)

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      dannyinla

      ...and I think his voice translates well to raw production values.  For that reason, I'm not surprised a demo version of that song was particularly good.

      My independence is something of a formality at this point.  But, at the very least for symbolic reasons, I don't think it will change.

  •  Sigh. (2+ / 0-)

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    CSI Bentonville, alasmoses

    Another ultra-late night diary bites the dust.  But thanks to those who commented, tipped and recommended!

  •  Best. Video. Ever. (1+ / 0-)

    If you don't know it, watch it.

    John Deeth http://www.jdeeth.blogspot.com

    by jdeeth on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 09:06:50 PM PDT

    •  If I Could Rec You 6 Times I Would... (1+ / 0-)

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      ezdidit

      ...while some argue that "Video Killed The Radio Star" takes the prize, I consider this video to be the greatest comment on (and sort of protest of) MTV.  EVER.

      Here are your 5 additional tips (5+).

  •  The DLC is exactly what's wrong with this scene. (2+ / 0-)

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    samddobermann, dyrrachium

    Carville, Begala and the other Rahm-like pointy heads held over from a past Administration are exactly how we lost everything.

    The DLC ought to be crushed, but they will raise their pointy heads in centrism and their own silly tricks to defeat anything but their own candidate: HRC.

    Why is it, that when there are people with a great deal of integrity running, people like Obama and Edwards, the Democratic spin machine (read:DLC) takes over and the blood sport of politics remains the same, and we LOSE every single time?

    How can we stop this idiocy? It's money that drives the thing, and it smells like decomp. Take a sniff of a few new Benjamins. Human waste and decomposition.

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -Thomas Jefferson

    by ezdidit on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 09:27:09 PM PDT

  •  Excelllent. Highly recommended. (1+ / 0-)

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    dyrrachium

    Thank you, dyrrachium, and the rescue rangers!

  •  Good diary! (3+ / 0-)

    Now is the time not to give away the farm. Conservatism has failed and the Republican party is cracking up. We should proudly show the progressive alternative. I think people will like it.

    Interesting story about your parents. Was it difficult to write about them, especially your mother? It does sound like you took a good look at her and at yourself, and decided that things have to change. I imagine that it was a tough decision, however necessary and inevitable it was.

    My dogs think we're all totally nuts, but how do I explain Daylight Savings Time to them?

    by Shiborg on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 10:28:17 PM PDT

  •  You lead by leading. (2+ / 0-)

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    samddobermann, dyrrachium

    Not sniffing the latest poll. The Democratic party has always stood for a certain set of values. We all know what they are. If you have integrity and lead according to those values, you'll attract the people that agree with most of them. I happen to believe that a strong majority of Americans agree with most Democratic values.

    If, however, you try to appeal to the Republican "base", you have to meet them on their christianist, racist, useful-idiot turf. Non-starter. These folks get their daily download from Rush and Sean and are not interested in any reality that contradicts what they are told.

    I had a friend that believes whatever Rush tells him. I don't waste my time with him, hence the ex-friend status. If these guys have an epiphany and want to act like responsible citizens, I'll be happy to talk to them, but I won't waste my time with idiots, useful or not.

    I strongly suggest the Dems do the same.

    Ah, but does the Buddha have cat nature?
    --dallasdave ca. 2008

    by dallasdave on Tue Apr 10, 2007 at 11:31:53 AM PDT

    •  I Agree Completely... (1+ / 0-)

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      dallasdave

      ...the sad thing is, it seems to make so much sense.  So clear.  It does not seem to need an explanation.  

      And yet, during so many election cycles, it seems at least a portion of professional pontificators for the Democrats on CNN, Fox, MSNBC, etc., as well as several candidates fall back into the same trap.

  •  Excellent diary. I've marked it to save to send (1+ / 0-)

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    dyrrachium

    to a liberal city councilor who is working up to running against horrible heather Wilson NM-1 who narrowly won against a Rahm-run candidate who came on as repub-lite. He is thinking of tacking to the "middle" so as not to be labled Liberal.

    Thank you for your work.

    We are in a time where it is risky NOT to change. Barack Obama 7-30-08

    by samddobermann on Tue Apr 10, 2007 at 12:00:08 PM PDT

    •  Wow, Thanks For The Tremendous Compliment... (0+ / 0-)

      ...I hope he knows who The Replacements are!  Perhaps it will still translate nonetheless, the lyrics I quoted are pretty to the point.

      Of course, they sound better in the song.

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