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[UDPATE with Details] Defeating the Bush Trade Agenda

Sat May 12, 2007 at 12:03:04 PM PDT

By now, most of you are aware of the bipartisan trade agreement reached on Thursday afternoon from a number of diaries on the subject. What most of these diaries aren't telling you is that, on every issue, we defeated the Bush trade agenda and got 100% of what Democrats have been demanding for years.

A lot of the criticism has focused on process, rather than substance, amidst complaints that the deal has been kept secret. While the agreement hasn't been posted on the internet yet, the whole 14 page document has been public since Friday morning and shared with important Democratic interest groups, like labor and environmental organizations. I've asked some bloggers to post it online and I'll link to it as soon as that happens. Until that happens, you can see a two page summary here on the Ways and Means Committee site.

So, here's what it does and a response to some of the critiques:

First, these changes only apply to the Peru and Panama FTAs. They are also the baseline for changes in the Colombia and Korea FTAs but they both have much larger issues and Congressional Democrats have said that this agreement does not mean that Colombia and Korea will come to a vote. They have also said, very clearly, that this agreement does not mean that fast-track will be renewed. In fact, this agreement has nothing to do with fast-track.

On labor, it obligates both the U.S. and our trading partners to comply with the 5 core labor standards contained in the 1998 ILO Declaration. It also prevents countries from weakening their labor laws in a race to the bottom. This obligation is FULLY enforceable and subject to the same dispute settlement procedures as every other part of trade agreements, including environment, investment, and intellectual property. This is EXACTLY what Democrats demanded before the election.

You may have heard the Chamber of Commerce claim that the ILO conventions were unenforcable under this agreement, but they're playing word games. There's a difference between the core labor standards in the 1998 Declaration and the 8 ILO Conventions of which the United States has ratified, I believe, only 2. It was never a Democratic demand that U.S. be held to conventions it hadn't ratified, only to the core labor standards in the Declaration which are 100% enforceable. The Chamber's claim is an attempt by the White House to hide from corporations how much it gave in.

On the environment, it obligates both the U.S. and our trading partners to comply with 7 important common multilateral environmental agreements, protects these agreements from being invalidated if they conflict with a trade agreement, prevents countries from weakening their environmental laws, and requires a complete rewrite of Peru's forest sector laws to prevent illegal logging. Again, this obligation is FULLY enforceable and subject to the same dispute settlement procedures as every other part of trade agreements and is EXACTLY what Democrats demanded before the election.

The agreement also prevents U.S. drug companies from using patent law to keep generic drugs out of the hands of poor people, creates an exception to trade agreements for port security, and makes sure that governments can base procurement decisions on wage and labor standards.

All in all, there is not one issue in which the Democrats caved to the White House. This was one of the best showings of spine by Democrats in Congress since I started there almost 4 years ago. I'd be surprised to see someone make a strong case that this isn't true, but I'd welcome the discussion.

On the concern that the process was secret, while the roll-out could have been handled better (and there's still a lot to learn about how to reach out to the netroots on these important issues), there was, in fact, broad consultation with fair trade members of Congress (including two meetings between Charlie Rangel, Chair of the Ways and Means Committee, and the freshman Democrats led by Betty Sutton) and with labor, environmental, and other interest groups.

The internal politics for labor and the envrionmental groups are interesting, as some of their members want a fair trade deal and some want no trade at all, but the deal was absolutely given the thumbs up by AFL-CIO headquarters before it was agreed to by Democrats, even if they can't say it publicly (yet).

Should the deal have been vetted with these important constituencies before it was announced? Maybe, but I think the reason it wasn't is pretty compelling: Pelosi was concerned that, if it wasn't announced the same day it was agreed to and details were leaked to business, groups like the Chamber of Commerce and NAM would go ape-shit and start lobbying the White House to back out, thus losing all of our progress.

Finally, it wasn't negotiated by the New Dems or by Sen. Max Baucus. Neither of them played much of a role. Rangel and Rep. Sandy Levin (D-MI), a strong friend of labor and the Chair of the Trade Subcommittee, were the chief negotiatiors.

Let's take a step back here. As John Sweeney said, trade policy won't be fixed overnight. However, for the first time in history, we have enforceable labor and environmental standards in our trade agreements. We didn't compromise, we dictated terms to the White House and they caved. To me, that's a victory for a trade policy that keeps faith with American workers and the environment.

Please recommend. I think its important these details get out publicly.

UDPATE: Stoller was able to link to the full document. Have at it: http://www.mydd.com/...

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    •  Last December (22+ / 0-)

      Speaker Pelosi arranged a meeting for the House Democratic Caucus with Robert Rubin on deficit issues, and refused to allow labor leaders to be present at the meeting.  At the time, we were told that there would be a later meeting with the House Caucus where representatives from labor unions would be able to talk to the caucus about trade issues.  So far as I can tell, this promisecd meeting never occurred.  Can you confirm or deny whether a meeting occurred between the whole House Caucus and labor leaders in the first half of this year?

    •  What about social insurance for workers who lose (7+ / 0-)

      jobs due to these trade agreements? Is the Democratic leadership even remotely focused on an agenda to provide compensation and retraining benefits to those who lose out under new trade agreements?

      •  absolutely (6+ / 0-)

        look at "SWAT" in the link in the diary.

        but more than this, we're trying to figure out ways to create more high quality jobs in the us by investing in infrastructure and research, passing the employee free choice act and promoting unions, and fixing the health care crisis that burdens us businesses and workers.

        "Be radical, be radical, be not too damned radical." - Whitman [-4.50, -5.79]

        by DemHillStaffer on Sat May 12, 2007 at 01:47:03 PM PDT

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        •  are you (14+ / 0-)

          trying to reform and not raise the cap of H-1B Visas, which have been shown to be a major tool of offshore outsourcing of jobs, labor arbitrage and age discrimination?  This is insourcing, when a corporation cannot offshore outsource the job, they want to bring in cheaper labor instead.

          70% of H-1B Visa applicants were Indian companies specializing in the offshore outsourcing of American jobs.

        •  Shouldn't we be more competitive before (11+ / 0-)

          we make these job loosing agreements. All of what you've written sounds great, but they are not in the works. I remember when Clinton signed NAFTA there were promises made. Unfortunately, that's all that happened.

          •  This is not NAFTA (0+ / 0-)

            this is a policy framework and will become law.  This means that a President will be prohibited from signing, and Congress from ratifying, a trade agreement that does not include those standards.  It also will become the law that those agreements already pending will need to be renegotiated to include those standards before Congress takes them up.

            American workers can compete with anybody in the world if provided a fair playing field.  And that's what this bill does, gives us a fair(er) playing field.

            "The Power to change this party, and the power to change this country is in your hands, not mine." - Gov. Howard Dean, MD

            by deaniac83 on Sun May 13, 2007 at 03:59:00 AM PDT

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            •  Doesn't matter what the standards are... (0+ / 0-)

              Bush will do a signing statement and do whatever he pleases.  Who is going to enforce them?   They won't even enforce what little bit of teeth we have in the current agreements.  This is bull shit.  They are snowing and conning you.  If you actually believe this corporate financed system is going to do something to help you, I have a bridge.

              Republicans don't have 60 votes, and it doesn't seem to bother them one bit.

              by dkmich on Sun May 13, 2007 at 04:05:39 AM PDT

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            •  You're wrong (2+ / 0-)

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              American workers can compete with anybody in the world if provided a fair playing field.  And that's what this bill does, gives us a fair(er) playing field.

              Because history has shown us that the people who are so fond of this phrase define a level playing field as that playing field where one worker makes two dollars an hour the other makes fifteen dollars an hour.

              How is that a level playing field?

              How does one compete on that playing field?

              Like DemHillStaffer you speak in platitudes either believing, or hoping, that the people you are speaking to are stupid.

              If the terriers and bariffs are torn down, this economy will grow - G. Bush

              by superscalar on Sun May 13, 2007 at 06:26:16 AM PDT

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              •  Stop putting words in people's mouths (2+ / 0-)

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                I didn't say that a level playing field is where one worker makes $2 an hour and the other $15.  But it is also true that that, by itself does not make the playing field unfair, if the worker making $2 an hour is able to make a comparable living in their country as someone making $15 in ours.  And the best way you do that in any country is by building a strong middle class.  How do you build a strong middle class?  Two words: union movement.  This agreement provides that anyone that wants an FTA with the United States will respect workers' unionization rights.  If you think that using our trade policy to build strong middle classes around the world is wrong, then yes, we have a profound disagreement.  The other way to level the playing field is to make corporations internalize the costs of environmental degradation, or making sure that they are not allowed to pollute the environment in poorer countries, and stick their peoples with the bills (or ours).  I don't think I need to remind you that the current trend of globalization is far harsher on the peoples of the poorer countries of this world than it is on us.

                I am not sure what your precise demand is.  If you believe that we should put big huge tariffs on any import from any other country (or any other country that have wages that are lower than American), then yes, this agreement doesn't meet those demands - but then, beware that any country that has wages higher than ours ought to be able to do the same to us; it's a 2-way street.  I, on the other hand am NOT an opponent of globalization so much as I am an opponent of the half-way globalization we have today.  That is, when we have globalized the entitlements of corporations but have NOT globalized the rights of workers or the cost of damaging the environment.  And this agreement takes big steps to do just that.  The fundamental problem with globalization is not that it exists, but rather that it exists only for one side of the employment table.

                "The Power to change this party, and the power to change this country is in your hands, not mine." - Gov. Howard Dean, MD

                by deaniac83 on Sun May 13, 2007 at 12:05:02 PM PDT

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            •  Yes we can! (4+ / 0-)

              I am absolutely positive that we can compete with anybody in the world; however, as you say we need a fair playing field. Well, this agreement does not provide a fair playing field. I have noted a bunch of promises, but promises without action mean zip.

              Example: Let's say that workers in one of these countries want to organize hoping to gain better working conditions. Considering the state of our justice system, do you think that those workers if (when) subjected to recriminations will be heard in these foreign courts. Answer: No, they won't. And not one of the people touting this deal will give a damn or raise one pinkie.

              Is that a level playing field.

              Speaking with personal knowledge of what happens in this country when people try to organize. There are few politicos who will spend one once of their capitol pursuing justice for the lone voice who gets the shaft.

              Think about those in our country who try to get something done about environmental breaches of the law. What happens? It takes years. Now think about this boondoggle that is being promised. These countries do not even the laws in place, and their court systems are even slanted toward the wishes of the ruling class. Is that part of your level playing field?

              There is huge money involved behind the scenes, and that money does not belong to you and me.

              The promises made are the spoon-full of sugar, but it is not medicine being covered, it is a poison pill for U.S. workers and many people struggling for justice around the world.

              I am in favor of a level playing field, fair trade and a general lifting up of people's lives. This deal doesn't cut it.

              •  Did you read the agreement? (1+ / 0-)

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                Quoting:

                Full Parity in Dispute Settlement

                Labor obligations subject same dispute settlement, same enforcement mechanisms (remedies), and same criteria for selection of enforcement mechanisms (remedies) as all other FTA obligations.

                In other words whatsoever dispute settlement remedies the agreement makes available for ANY OTHER part of the FTA (say, oh, I don't know, patent infringement) must also be the same exact process applied to labor dispute resolutions from both parties.  That's what the agreement says.

                Now is it possible for countries to sign an agreement and then violate it?  Yes, it's possible.  The remedies for that would be: (1) one party suing in the WTO the other party, or (2) one party pulling out of the deal.  But that doesn't mean you don't make those agreements.

                I would also be interested in hearing what your alternative proposal would be.  If it is to simply cut off trade, period, we can debate that.  If it's something else, tell me.

                "The Power to change this party, and the power to change this country is in your hands, not mine." - Gov. Howard Dean, MD

                by deaniac83 on Sun May 13, 2007 at 12:22:35 PM PDT

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                •  Reading between the lines (1+ / 0-)

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                  First, you are assuming that the violations will have a fair hearing. That is a huge stretch considering how the establishment mangles the process in our own country, and an even greater taxing of belief given the convoluted legal systems of some of the other countries involved.

                  What you might consider an extreme example, let us create a fictional labor movement in a participating country. The owner of the company involved has close ties to ruling party, and takes his/her complaint to "friends" in the government. The union organizers have no such friends, and suddenly find themselves branded as enemies of the state for any trumped up charge the government had in their bag.

                  You know, this has been done in the past. And your idealistic WTO would never even hear of the problem. Besides, those bad union organizers are just terrorists or Commies---take your pick.

                  My solution would start with leveling the playing field before we jump into this intellectually dishonest deal. In the beginning there would be a functioning and competitive U.S. health care system. The owner of the furniture plant in my town that recently closed told me that he was paying half as much for health care as he was paying for wood. The product was top quality at a fair price, and although the workers (non-union) were making only a few bucks over minimum wage, they could not live on the wages of a Chinese worker.

                  The owner needed help. Unfortunately, Washington where the buzz is all about level playing fields, couldn't hear him.

                  I would also suggest that any government who wants to enter these "free" trade agreements, needs to demonstrate through prior action a commitment to meet a minimum of labor and environmental standards. There is an old saying about horses and barn doors, and fictional scenarios about law suits will never get that pony back.

                  America is being snookered.

                  •  I'm not assuming anything (1+ / 0-)

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                    It's in the agreement.  The labor violations must be given the same exact remedy as any other violation.  That's what the agreement says.  I'm not the one that's making up hypothetical scenarios and giving those scenarios the ending that would support my side of the debate.  I'm merely saying what's in the agreement.  You are arguing corruption, which is a legitimate argument, but we don't live in a perfect world, and the day you show me a bullet-proof perfect solution, I'll sell you a bridge in Brooklyn.  There is ALWAYS, IN ANYTHING, the potential for corruption.  But that alone does not make a deal worthless, since that would make ANY deal ANYONE EVER made invalid.

                    My solution would start with leveling the playing field before we jump into this intellectually dishonest deal. In the beginning there would be a functioning and competitive U.S. health care system. The owner of the furniture plant in my town that recently closed told me that he was paying half as much for health care as he was paying for wood. The product was top quality at a fair price, and although the workers (non-union) were making only a few bucks over minimum wage, they could not live on the wages of a Chinese worker.

                    Agreed.  But how is this related to FTA's?  Do you think Nancy Pelosi is against universal health care?  You say start with a level playing field, but you don't define what that is.  I think that this agreement will make the field more level and less tilted than it is today.  Your characterization of a deal as "intellectually dishonest does not make it so.

                    "The Power to change this party, and the power to change this country is in your hands, not mine." - Gov. Howard Dean, MD

                    by deaniac83 on Sun May 13, 2007 at 01:19:25 PM PDT

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                    •  The deal (1+ / 0-)

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                      I don't doubt that the mechanisms for filing violations is contemplated by the agreement; however, for the system to work, you are believing that the existing labor/environmental climate in the participating countries meet the standards necessary for filing those violations. Considering that our system for filing violations barely works, why should I believe that the legal framework is in place for other countries? It isn't.

                      Health care: Speaker Pelosi is probably in favor of some form of universal health care. It remains to be seen if the form that is eventually proposed can 1) be adopted and 2) increase our ability to be competetive in the world market place.

                      You asked what I would propose, and I tried to explain that I would first level the playing field. That must include health care before entering into deals where we are sure to come up losers. We need to support our own labor and environmental laws, and look to governments to meet similar standards. No loopholes. Those commitments must be demonstrated prior to any agreement. Or, we could just demand that American workers give up the 40 hour work week, and accept 50 cent an hour jobs. That would work too.

                      You have advised me to buy the Brookline Bridge because I'm a realist who understands that corruption exists. I am telling you that these protections are a fantasy that cannot be intellectually made real. I don't care what the agreement says or doesn't say. I care that the language is meant to present a picture of "free" markets that has historically not proved to be the case.

                      This is not an either your with us or against us issue. The doubters of the deal understand that we are part of a global market place. What we would like to see is someone representing us...the voters. Having experienced Washington's idea of what "free trade" means, how could anyone expect us to buy into this raw deal.

                  •  Oh and the WTO (0+ / 0-)

                    is obligated to enforce the terms, as they stand, of any FTA.  They have no say in what the terms are; that's between the countries making a deal.  The WTO rulings against the US have been because those provisions weren't present to begin with, not because those were present but ignored by one party.

                    "The Power to change this party, and the power to change this country is in your hands, not mine." - Gov. Howard Dean, MD

                    by deaniac83 on Sun May 13, 2007 at 01:21:36 PM PDT

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        •  I do TAA for a living. (4+ / 0-)

          Funding is limited.  Ford Wixom is closing, and it was denied certification. The Fed. is mucking around in TAA big time.  They are now saying that anybody we sign up at orientation to protect their benefits if now a "participant", and we will be held accountable for all of their outcomes even if we don't work with them.  The Fed is mucking around in WIA Dislocated Worker.  These people can't even get help to finish a degree because it isn't allowed.  The fed. is changing the rules, contrary to legislation, and getting away with it.  Then, you keep signing trade agreements giving away the jobs people are retraining for...  What do you plan to leave them?  If our politicians are doing such a great job of negotiating trade, tell me why the deficit is huge and growing.  People on the hill have no idea of what real life is all about. I also find it totally ironic that Democrats and Bush agree on trade and illegal immigrants.  You need to quit listening to Friedman.  Trickle down and free trade isn't working for Americans.  YOU are destroying the middle class, and Lou Dobbs is right.  

          Republicans don't have 60 votes, and it doesn't seem to bother them one bit.

          by dkmich on Sun May 13, 2007 at 04:02:56 AM PDT

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        •  This is absolutely BIG! (1+ / 0-)

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          Dems will not hold impeachment hearings while Bill is campaigning with Hillary.

          by annefrank on Sun May 13, 2007 at 04:15:11 AM PDT

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    •  I'll go with David Sirota on this (17+ / 0-)

      until we see what is actually in this deal, I'll take it with a grain of salt. Also, regarding all these so-called "enforceable" labor and environmental standards-that was the same bull-shit that was said about nafta-look what happened with that.

    •  I had read (11+ / 0-)

      (maybe in one of Sirota's diaries) that Sherrod Brown, who is one of congress's top experts on trade, supposedly knew nothing about this agreement's provisions and details. But you say that Betty Sutton was among the congressional freshmen to sit in on discussions. Betty is from his district and won his old seat when he ran for the Senate; I saw them together on the campaign trail many times last year and assume that they know each other well. It's inconceivable to me that she would not have discussed this with him, especially given his expertise in the area, which I would assume she values. So...colour me confused. I actually am eager to hear Sherrod Brown's take on this. Since he has no Senate Web site (!!!!! Get on the ball, bozo!), I'll call his office on Monday.

      We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14: http://www.oneill08.com/

      by anastasia p on Sat May 12, 2007 at 09:58:59 PM PDT

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    •  Good News IF it really does go down that way (1+ / 0-)

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           The New York Times has an editorial todaystrongly praising the results of the deal making in D.C. on this. However, there is one section in the editorial that gives me problems.

           A commitment to basic labor standards — including bans on child labor and forced labor and guarantees of the right to organize — will be written into pending and future trade agreements. Trading partners will be required to enforce their own environmental laws. The administration will be responsible for monitoring compliance.

         I've emphasized the particular phrases that have me wondering, especially that last one. My basic problem is this: why should we expect the administration to keep its word on any of this? They sign bills and then add signing statements to negate them. They make public statements that are flat out lies. They put enforcement in the hands of people with every incentive to do so selectively - if at all.
         I guess my point is, what are the consequences if the administration signs this agreement as described, and then goes on to do what it wants? They may be agreeing to this because they can't win this battle, but are simply moving the conflict down the road to a place where the terrain favors them. They may figure making concessions here will lull us into thinking we've won, and we'll stop paying attention while they sabotage everything down the road. It IS their pattern after all.

        Meanwhile, for a troubling take on the related outsourcing problem, there's a good article at Salon by a victim: You can't stop a tidal wave with a fork.

      "No special skill, no standard attitude, no technology, and no organization - no matter how valuable - can safely replace thought itself."

      by xaxnar on Sun May 13, 2007 at 06:53:10 AM PDT

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      •  "The administration will be responsible" (0+ / 0-)

        I share your skepticism re the Bush "administration", but don't see any way around this problem, for any law, policy, treaty, etc.

        In other words, doubts about the good will, integrity, or competence of those who are supposed to enforce the law may not constitute a valid criticism of the law itself.

        It is the responsibility of voting public to elect administrations that will enforce the laws, and to create a political atmosphere in which failure to enforce is unthinkable.

  •  link broken (5+ / 0-)

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    This works.

    I have one question, did they just give promise to renew fast track?

    That's a critical issue for fast track must go and DeFazio's Congressional Trade Office is highly needed.

    I also see labor stds only for government contracts, now is that implying that even more government contracts can be offshore outsourced?

    Did anyone bother to do an independent analysis on how many more jobs will be lost?

    If you gave people a 14 page paper why not just post it?

    •  thanks for fixing the link (6+ / 0-)

      there was a specific promise that this DOES NOT mean fast track, at all.

      the labor standards are economy-wide, just that government procurment can have higher standards.

      if you show me how to post a PDF in a diary, I'd be glad to post the paper here, but I don't know how.

      "Be radical, be radical, be not too damned radical." - Whitman [-4.50, -5.79]

      by DemHillStaffer on Sat May 12, 2007 at 12:05:48 PM PDT

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      •  it has to be hosted (6+ / 0-)

        if you don't have a host, I can ftp it over to our site just so you can display it, quickly..
        or it might be doable on photobucket since it's a pdf.

        I'm at roak  at the domain in my sig.
        noslaves dot com.

      •  if you cannot (1+ / 0-)

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        put it on any website available to you, just email the pdf to someone you trust and ask them to quickly post it on their website.

        This is a huge deal to us.

      •  Will the labor standards be (5+ / 0-)

        able to be brought for arbitration before a trade court like with Chapter 11 of the NAFTA treay?

        I mean to say if Peru is violating ILO standards, will labor organizations be able to challenge Peru in court to make them comply with the agreement?

        And why is there a discrepancy in media reports as to whether Columbia is included in this trade deal?

        •  colombia is not included (4+ / 0-)

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          basically, these changes will have to made to the colombia agreement, but there's still an insistence that colombia deal with violence against labor leaders before any FTA gets voted on. the democrats have been very clear that this is the case, but you know the media...

          as for how labor standards are enforced, they must be enforced in a government-to-government case, just like intellectual property and other commerical issues are now. so, just as a company needs to go to their government to get them to bring a case, so will a union have to.

          "Be radical, be radical, be not too damned radical." - Whitman [-4.50, -5.79]

          by DemHillStaffer on Sat May 12, 2007 at 01:24:07 PM PDT

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          •  Ok (13+ / 0-)

            So what you are saying then is that respsonsibility for enforcement will lie with the signining states, and that there will be no international arbitary body with the power to enforce treaty obligations as with the NAFTA dispute settlement mechanism.

            I'm sorry, but why are labor and environmental protections left to the individual states to enforce, while investment protections clauses allow companies to attack state and local labor and enviromental protections are able to be litigated in a body that has the power to compel governments to make reparations?

            •  all dispute settlement is goverment to government (1+ / 0-)

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              labor and environment are treated the same as the chapters on intellectural property, market access, government procurement, etc.

              the problem is not that labor and the environment get fewer protections that investment, its that investment gets more protections than everything else.

              for these FTAs - peru and panama, the investment question is not so much a problem for the US (it could be a problem for those countries) because there's minimal investment in the US by panama and peru, as opposed to NAFTA where it was a major problem because of high levels of canadian investment.

              this is one of the important issues that we'll need to work out before we sign additional agreements with countries that invest in the us. i completely agree that it needs to be fixed, but we need to help educate people about the issue. too many people only look at it in terms of us firms haveing rights in foreign countries.

              but, as even the White House announced, in this deal:

              "Labor obligations subject to the same dispute settlement procedures and remedies as commercial obligations. Available remedies are fines and trade sanctions, based on amount of trade injury."

              "Be radical, be radical, be not too damned radical." - Whitman [-4.50, -5.79]

              by DemHillStaffer on Sat May 12, 2007 at 01:41:28 PM PDT

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              •  No all dispute settlement is not gov to gov (16+ / 0-)

                The dispute settlement provision of Chapter 11 of the NAFTA treaty allows companies to bring suit against state and local governments if they feel that state laws create a "regulatory taking."

                There's a very explicit outline of the non-governmental arbitration process established under Chapters 11, 19, and 20 on the NAFTA website.

                Chapter 11 is the one that most people have heard of, and here's the explanation given on the NAFTA website.

                Overview of the Dispute Settlement Provisions of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA)
                The principal dispute settlement mechanisms of the NAFTA are found in:

                Chapter 11

                Chapter 19, and

                Chapter 20

                Settlement of Disputes between a Party and an Investor of Another Party
                Chapter 11

                Chapter 11 establishes a mechanism for the settlement of investment disputes that assures both equal treatment among investors of the Parties to the Agreement in accordance with the principle of international reciprocity and due process before an impartial tribunal. A NAFTA investor who alleges that a host government has breached its investment obligations under Chapter 11 may, at its option, have recourse to one of the following arbitral mechanisms:

                the World Bank's International Centre for the Settlement of Investment Disputes (ICSID);

                ICSID's Additional Facility Rules; and

                the rules of the United Nations Commission for International Trade Law (UNCITRAL Rules).

                Alternatively, the investor may choose the remedies available in the host country's domestic courts. An important feature of the Chapter 11 arbitral provisions is the enforceability in domestic courts of final awards by arbitration tribunals.

                Among the cases brought against US states and municipalities is the claim made by Methanex, a Canandian firm, against the state of California.  The Nation did an excellent article on NAFTA's Chapter 11 several years ago. The process described in the article should give us all pause, and contradicts your assertion that this is a government to government matter.  First, the proceedings of these panels should be transparent. Second, these panels are currently only able to arbitrate on investment protection issues, labor and enviromentla protection are not allowed to be heard before the panel.  This is what I was talking about in my previous post.

                The company did not take its case to US federal court. Instead,it hired a leading Washington law firm, Jones, Day, Reavis & Pogue, to argue the billion-dollar claim before a private three-judge arbitration tribunal, an "offshore" legal venue created by NAFTA. Each side--the plaintiff company and defendant government--gets to choose one of the three arbitrators who will hear the case, then they jointly select the third, who presides. The proceedings are in secret--no public notice whatever--unless both sides agree to disclose the case. Sacramento had difficulty finding out what was happening, though it was California's environmental law that was under attack.

                Methanex and the other controversial corporate claims pending before NAFTA tribunals are like a slow-ticking time bomb in the politics of globalization. As nervous members of Congress inquire into what they unwittingly created back in 1993, environmentalists and other critics explain the implications: Multinational investors can randomly second-guess the legitimacy of environmental laws or any other public-welfare or economic regulation, including agency decisions, even jury verdicts. The open-ended test for winning damages is whether the regulation illegitimately injured a company's investments and can be construed as "tantamount to expropriation," though no assets were physically taken (as is the case when a government seizes an oil field or nationalizes banks).

                NAFTA's arbitrators cannot overturn domestic laws, but their huge damage awards may be nearly as crippling--chilling governments from acting once they realize they will be "paying to regulate," as William Waren, a fellow at Georgetown law school, puts it. On its face, this strange new legal system's ability to check democratically elected governments confirms a principal accusation of those much-disparaged protesters against corporate-dominated globalization. Elite power politics, they contend, is imposing rules on the global economy that effectively shut out competing voices and values, that slyly undermine the sovereign capacity of a nation to defend its own citizens' broader interests. Indeed, the US multinational community dreams of establishing Chapter 11's provisions as the worldwide standard, to be applied next in the proposed Free Trade Area of the Americas.

                In his piece Greider argues that the establishment of a doctrine of regulatory takings in the most disturbing aspect of NAFTA's Chapter 11.  This is how Republicans and their corporate friends are able to attack the state action to protect consumers, workers, and the environment.  It's nothing less than treason, because it makes states pay "protection money" to corporations to enforce the laws that democratic legislatures passed.  In this way trade agreements become an assault on the democratic state.

                •  that's exactly what i said (1+ / 0-)

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                  all dispute settlement is gov to gov, except investment, which i talk about above.

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                  by DemHillStaffer on Sat May 12, 2007 at 02:45:57 PM PDT

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                  •  I'm sorry (3+ / 0-)

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                    you are saying it is identical to NAFTA ch. 11 as middle is trying to point out?  is this what you mean by "government to government"?

                    •  What he is saying is that only investors (5+ / 0-)

                      have special enforcement rights. Otherwise, enforcement may be initiated only by the governments that are parties to the treaties. In other words, if the US gvernment chooses not to enforce the environmental or labor provisions of a trade agreement, then we are out of luck. It seems to me that there needs to be some way of compelling the US government to enforce the labor and environmental provisions of these agreements.  

                      •  This is a serious question that (8+ / 0-)

                        needs to be answered.

                        Will private individuals and organizations be able to file complaints before the panel responsible for enforcing the labor and environmental protocols, or will only governments be able to do this?

                        Chapter 11 of the NAFTA treaty allows companies to initiate proceedings before a panel without government approval.

                      •  can you imagine Bush (7+ / 0-)

                        doing anything for anyone beyond corporations like Halliburton, Enron, Microsoft?

                        I've been reading the details and so far I don't see any real way to enforce anything.

                        But, fundamentally why is anyone even contemplating another trade agreement with a trade deficit worth 6% of GDP?

                        I mean come on, so what exactly are the projections here with Peru where it will lower our trade deficit?  Are they going to buy our?????  recycled waste?

                        We're not making anything here.

                        •  Agreed - I see these labor and environmental (7+ / 0-)

                          provisions as meaningless fig leaves since the Bush administration has the discretion to not enforce them and there is no other way for them to be enforced.

                        •  Bingo. Cart before the Horse (1+ / 0-)

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                          The new "Harpers" has its main article "Undoing Bush".  Dean Baker writes the economic section.  He says we have to bite the bullet in many ways.  The dollar is overvalued and that's a big reason for the loss of 3 million manufacturing jobs since 2001.  He also blames the Clinton Administration for "high dollar" cheerleading.  The Housing bubble is also masking our economy weaken.  This talk of trade agreements as being better than before will not address our real problems of becoming a banana republic.

                          "It is not be cause things are difficult that we do not dare; it is because we do not dare that they are difficult." Seneca

                          by MontanaMaven on Sun May 13, 2007 at 06:28:56 AM PDT

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                  •  You've been in the beltway too long. (3+ / 0-)

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                    the problem is not that labor and the environment get fewer protections that investment, its that investment gets more protections than everything else

                    Gee, so why is that?  How likely that would be the opposite?  You can spin this till the cows come home, the Dems are selling us out.  

                    The best thing about DailyKos is that we have Middletown and Bob Oak and a lot of people that you guys just can't spin.  The Democrats better wake up to the fact that DailyKos isn't going away, and we are watching you.  We almost took out Lieberman and would have if another great bipartisan effort between the Dems and the Republicans hadn't of interferred with the will of the people.  Democrats are better than Republicans, better than a sharp stick in the eye, and have totally blown their credibility.  

                    Republicans don't have 60 votes, and it doesn't seem to bother them one bit.

                    by dkmich on Sun May 13, 2007 at 04:25:21 AM PDT

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              •  I'm not quite sure what this means? (6+ / 0-)

                the problem is not that labor and the environment get fewer protections that investment, its that investment gets more protections than everything else.

                Of course the problem is that labor and environment get fewer protections than investment; what you are saying is just an alternative way of saying the same thing.  If investment get more protections then labor and environment get, by definition, less.

                If Unions have to prevail upon governments, whether this one or the one which immediately preceded it, befor action is taken we'll see mighty damn little action.  This seems still a bad deal, and we want a GOOD deal, not a bad, or even an okay deal, we want and need a good deal.  Why is the corperatophile DLC promoting it if its so labor friendly.

                •  Read the rest of the linked article (9+ / 0-)

                  It was written by William Greider in 2001.  It talks about how companies have used the NAFTA tribunal systemt to force states to rewrite laws that they didn't like.  Labor and environmental issues are not simliarly able to be brought for litigation.  It establishes a principle of "regulatory takings"  so say that a company uses a chemical that causes cancer, and Indiana outlaws it.  This NAFTA tribunal can order Indiana to pay damges to the manufacturer, because they don't allow the sale of their cancer causing chemical.

                  Seriously twisted, eh?

                  •  Right, I know about that (10+ / 0-)

                    My problem is that I don't see what the difference is in saying A is less than B, rather than B has more than A.  Both seem to be saying that its better to be A than B.

                    NAFTA is one of the main reasons most of my friends don't trust the Democrats much, some-but not much, more than Goopers.  NAFTA was a clear case of corporate power consolidation that really decimated my hometown areas like Anderson, Marion, Kokomo, Gas City and Wabash.  Guys are doing jobs there for just a few dollars more an hour than I made working for Fisher Body in the very early 70's.

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