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Menstruation and The Medical Establishment

Thu May 24, 2007 at 07:02:06 AM PDT

    Several new birth control products have hit the market that prevent monthly menstruation in addition to preventing pregnancy.  The latest, Lybrel ® (Wyeth), does this for an entire year.  You have all read the pros and cons of this: some advocacy groups  believe that the medical establishment is robbing women of their right to be a full, natural woman.  While drug companies and doctors are talking about treating women with horrendous, debilitating monthly periods and giving those with a busy schedule the freedom from monthly inconvenience from bleeding.  Today, I am going to take a slightly different approach to this debate.
    Throughout the years, no single sub-group of patients has been taken advantage of like women with ‘feminine problems’.  Whether we are talking about heavy periods, urinary incontinence or osteoporosis, the medical establishment has had a field day with them.  The party line is that it’s all in the name of science and women’s health.  The truth: it’s all in the name of market share and profit.

    As a practicing obstetrician-gynecologist, I learned early on that any ‘new-fangled’ product presented to me by a drug company should be scrutinized and suspected of mischief from day one.  Only after careful consideration should I consider recommending it to my patients, or using it in the operating room.  What follows are a couple of examples of the rise and fall of medical technologies in women’s health.  I will end with my take on the new wave of extended cycle birth control pills.  I will continue to use the term ‘medical establishment’ to refer to the complex web made of drug companies, hospitals, clinics, physicians, insurance companies and all of the administrative structure surrounding them.

‘Anchor’s Aweigh!’
    Stress urinary incontinence (SUI) is defined as leakage of urine from the urethra during strain.  Classically, this happens to post-menopausal women who have had children at some point in their lives.  The exact mechanism which causes this to happen is debated but, in a nutshell, it has to do with the breakdown of the structures which normally support the urethra.  When these structures are damaged by the pressures of carrying a pregnancy, delivering the baby and weakening due to lack of estrogen after menopause, the urethra does not close well when a woman coughs, laughs, climbs stairs, etc. and urine leaks out.  The condition is bothersome, embarrassing and horribly under-reported.  About 10 million women suffer from  this condition in the United States.
    This figure, 10 million women, causes drug and device manufacturers to salivate: a large, untreated population who would like to get better.  So, they make products to help make them better.  In the past fifteen years, there have been literally dozens of different products marketed to try to treat SUI.  They range from injected'bulking agents', to 'tension free tapes' to specialized procedures which graft tissue from other parts of the body (fascia lata from the thigh, for instance) underneath the urethra.  Each time a new product came out, the manufacturer sent its army of salespeople to conventions, hospitals and clinics trying to convince the doctors their that their product was the best.  
    Now, there is one other technique which did not last very long: the bone anchor.  The idea was to put a suspension device under the urethra that would not move.  The answer: fix the sling to the pubic bone!  Sounds like a great idea, except when the patient develops severe post-operative pain or osteomyelitis (infection of the bone- a nasty one to treat).  To add insult to injury, it turns out that bone anchors do not really work any better than the methods that existed at the time.  The result: a bunch of bone anchors got used, some women got better, others stayed the same and a very unfortunate few wound up with complications that never would have happened with other available surgical techniques.  Back to the drawing board, eh?

‘Snap Decisions’
    Hip fractures are a serious condition for elderly women.  About one fourth of the women who experience a hip fracture will die within a year due to related complications.  The economic burden of osteoporosis hip fractures has been estimated to be between seven and ten billion dollars annually.  The best way to ‘treat’ this problem is to prevent it from happening in the first place.  A healthy diet, calcium and vitamin D supplementation and avoiding smoking are the best primary prevention strategies.  But, how do you know if you have osteoporosis or not?  Well, you get a  DEXA scan which measures the amount of mineralized bone you have left compared to a young, healthy woman (a T-score) and compared to a woman your same age (a Z-score).  Using these criteria, a physician can determine whether or not you are at risk for a fracture and if you should start taking additional medications to ‘build-up’ your bones.
    Now, DEXA machines are big and expensive.  But, what if you could have one right in your very own office?  Well, you can... sort of.  Several companies manufacture DEXA machines which measure bone density in the wrist or heel.  These machines are inexpensive, compact and portable.  What’s more, you can even bill the patient’s insurance company for using it.  Great stuff!
    However, numerous studies have shown that the measurements these machines generate do not correlate very well with those of the larger machines which measure the bone density of the hip and spine.  As a matter of fact, expert opinions and medical evidence do not support their use to diagnose osteoporosis or make treatment decisions.  So why bother having them at all?
    Physicians run their practices in ways that will allow them to stay open and deliver efficient care to their patients.  They sometimes do things that are not supported by medical evidence simply because an insurance company wants them to do it.  These instances are usually not harmful, but are often times stupid.  Heel and wrist DEXA is one of these instances.  If insurance companies will pay for it, a physician can send them a bill, receive the payment and use it to pay for the clinic’s electric bill, staff salaries, etc. so they stay in practice.  If it’s not hurting anyone, what’s the big deal?  
    I think we can all see the problem with this situation.  Even though it gets paid for, this test is essentially worthless.  At best, it is harmless and is just a revenue generating device that a physician uses to keep their practice solvent.  At worst, it could misdiagnose a patient with osteoporosis and they begin a medication unnecessarily, or it could miss the diagnosis entirely and someone who actually had osteoporosis would not know it.  All the while it is a waste of time and money.  I still see these things being marketed.  I do not know why.

‘Twelve, Four Or None- You Choose’
    Menstrual suppression, the use of a drug to prevent a woman’s monthly period, is not new.  Doctors have been using birth control pills of varying formulations for decades to do this.  However, what is new is the package they come in.  Instead of having placebos at the end of every month, there are placebos at the end of every three months or the end of every year.  When a woman takes the placebos, she has bleeding from the uterus that exits the vagina and simulates a menstrual period.  The bleeding she has is not menstruation.  It is a withdrawal bleed.  Menstruation is caused by hormonal changes which surround ovulation.  Withdrawal bleeding is caused by stopping the administration of progestin (one of the components of birth control pills).  There is nothing natural about the latter: never has been, never will be.
    Evidence from the medical anthropology literature suggests that human beings did not always menstruate twelve times a year (see Strassman, B in The Journal of Women’s Health: March, 1999:193-202 for an example).  Theories surrounding this perspective have to do with the number of times women got pregnant, the length of time they breastfed and the absence of artificial light.  Regardless, the phenomenon of twelve to thirteen menstrual cycles per year is a relatively recent one in evolutionary terms.  
    So, if a woman does not really ‘need’ her period every month, and the bleeding that happens at the end of the pack of pills is not a period anyway, are the 56 or 77 ‘extra’ hormone containing pills in the extended regimen packages dangerous?  Is this prolonged exposure to hormones going to wind up being bad for women’s health?  So far, the evidence says no.
    The trials so far have shown no increase in the adverse events associated with these pill formulations compared to other oral contraceptives.  Women return to normal menses after a year of oral contraceptives in about a month.  It will be many, many years before we know if administering oral contraceptives in this manner increases a woman’s risk for breast, endometrial or ovarian cancer.  Traditional pills decrease the risk of endometrial and ovarian cancer, the extended cycle pills probably do, too.  Biopsy studies of women’s uteri following a year’s worth of prolonged suppression with hormonal contraceptives showed absolutely no pathological changes.  My suspicion: it’s perfectly safe.
    The hormone free week in pills which causes a withdrawal bleed is not medically necessary.  As a matter of fact, about 5% of women have no withdrawal bleeding when they take the pill anyway.  The only reason why the placebos are in the pack is to simulate menses.  The hormones taken are metabolized out of her body in the same amount of time whether she has been taking them for 21 days or 21 months.  And for any amateur pharmacologists out there, the fact that they are steroids and thus fat soluble does not make a difference.

‘What Good Is It?’
    Imagine a woman who misses three or four days of work every month because she is bed-ridden with cramps during her period.  She has so much bleeding that she has to use adult diapers and sleep on towels so that she does not ruin her sheets.  She has been admitted to the hospital for a blood transfusion in the past because she became so anemic, she might have had a heart attack, stroke or kidney failure if she did not.  I have treated women who fit this description more than once.  Every gynecologist in this country has patients like this in their practice at some point in time.  Stopping her menstrual cycle can improve her quality of life and keep her out of the hospital.  Hopefully, it can even save her from having a hysterectomy.
    By packaging oral contraceptives in an extended cycle, to have a withdrawal bleed every three months or every year, accomplishing this goal is much easier.  If we were to use a 28-day pill, she would have to refill it every 21 days.  This presents a problem.  The pharmacy may refuse to refill it.  Her insurance company may refuse to pay for it.  Now, she’s stuck.  Having this packaging will save patients that truly need this therapy a lot of headache.
    Moreover, believe it or not, some women do not mind going without a period!  Some women prefer not to deal with tampons or pads every month.  My wife is one of them.  She has not menstruated or had a withdrawal bleed for 5 years.  She loves it, and would not have it any other way.    

‘If only there was ‘man-struation’...’
    If we look at the first two examples, the medical establishment’s reasoning for developing the extended cycle pills is obvious: to make a new drug that physicians will prescribe and people/insurers will pay for.  That is it.  There is no ulterior motive, there is no grand plot to take away ‘womanhood’.  Drug companies want money.  Advertisers want to tell people about the ‘new and improved’ thing on the market.  Patients want the best, new treatments.  Physicians want the patients in their practice to be happy.  So, we get new drugs, new equipment and new therapies.  Welcome to America!
    The reason why this is getting such hype is because it deals with sex.  In addition, it deals with one of the most private events in a woman’s life.  Because men have for centuries controlled women through subjugation, stigmatization, force and shame, the fact that many people view these pills as an intrusion of the medical establishment into a woman’s life is not a surprise.  Do not get me wrong here, the medical establishment already does plenty of bad stuff- to everyone.  This time, it is not so sinister.
    If males had ‘man-strual’ cycles every month, we would probably have monuments, ceremonies and sporting events surrounding them.  If it were a bothersome event, like a woman’s period can be, you better believe we would have a drug to control it- just like we do for hair loss and impotence.  If indeed there were such a thing as ‘man-struation’, pills would have come in a pack like this years ago.  These ‘new birth control pills’ are not a sinister attempt to subjugate women, they are a (slightly less) sinister way to get your money.
    For any woman out there who is considering contraceptive methods and/or menstrual suppression, talk to a doctor whom you trust.  If you do not have one of those, here is my advice: if you don’t want your period, you don’t have to have it.  If you like your period the way it is, don’t take extended cycle birth control pills, there are other ways to avoid getting pregnant.  

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  •  I think you miss a big point (10+ / 0-)

    And that is the voice of the religious whackos...no menstruation=no babies=bad woman.

    Woman are nothing more than baby producing robots to some and if she is given the opportunity to control her own body and thus prevent that, the religious fanatics get upset.

    When do I get to vote on your marriage?

    by tvb on Thu May 24, 2007 at 07:01:46 AM PDT

  •  This has nothing to (12+ / 0-)

    do with the medical or political issues with stopping menstruation, but for women who do this: How do you know you're not pregnant if you don't get a period?

    I find my period deeply reassuring-- without it I couldn't celebrate no baby month.

    •  agree (8+ / 0-)

      I think there will be a significant number of women who will take a pass on the new pills for exactly this reason. But others won't worry too much about it. They may have been pregant before and feel confidant that they will recognize the symptoms early. Or they may feel that doing home pregnancy tests every couple of months would be a fair trade for getting rid of troublesome periods.

    •  You're right Lollipops, (10+ / 0-)

      the real issue here is what women want, not what doctors or drug companies want for them.  When counseling patients regarding their options for contraception, I always ask about how she feels about her monthly menses.  If it is a source of reassurance for her, something that makes her feel healthy, I do not reccomend a medication that prevents a simulated cycle from occurring.  Usually, the women who succeed with methods like this are those that request them specifically.

    •  My Thoughts Exactly (2+ / 0-)

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      I'm a post-menopausal married woman now, and never used the pill in my younger days.  My question is, how exactly would a young, sexually active woman, know if she was pregnant if she took these pills?  

      Getting my period every month was the sign that I wasn't pregnant.  

    •   My husband asked the same thing (2+ / 0-)

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      I think you'd know.  I usually take Depo-Provera and have no periods because of it.  I did get pregnant while on the Depo and I knew immediately because the change in my body was that drastic.  I took a pregnancy test and got a BFP in an instant.  

      The only reason I'm on the Depo is the period stoppage.  And it's a 4 time a year thing.  Since it seems like my cycles are coming back, I'd be interested in anything that stops my periods.  However, these pharmaceutical companies are crazy for thinking I'm going to pay a gajillion dollars for something I have to take everyday.  I'd much rather pay the $140 for the Depo shot every 3 months.

      Outta here, I don't deal well with sites that condone racism.

      by fabooj on Thu May 24, 2007 at 08:42:04 AM PDT

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      •  OMG, fabooj (0+ / 0-)

        $150 is way too expensive. Our clinic only charges half that amount, and no, we aren't subsidized for the cost (You kidding? This is Texas ;-).

        Maybe you could call around and find a provider who wouldn't charge you so much.

        •  Don't get me started (0+ / 0-)

          Before and after I had my first kid (2003), it was $75.  My OB now has the prescription filled at the pharmacy in the bldg.  I was accepting it, but it keeps going  up.  After I finished breastfeeding (2006), it was $95.  Every 3 months, I go in to find it's been raised $12 - $17.  I have to go back next month, so that mean it should cost $142 - $147.  

          Outta here, I don't deal well with sites that condone racism.

          by fabooj on Thu May 24, 2007 at 09:42:50 PM PDT

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          •  Have you checked with PP? (0+ / 0-)

            Yeah, sure, the cost of all meds is always going up, but a hike that steep is just OOC.

            Of course I don't know how much it would cost where you are, but at any Planned Parenthood clinic, Depo costs much less.

            Nationwide, the cost for an exam, if needed, ranges from $35 to $125. Further visits cost between $20 and $40. Each injection costs between $30 and $75. The total cost for each year of use ranges from $235 to $585. Costs vary from community to community, based on regional and local expenses. Contact your nearest Planned Parenthood health center 1-800-230-PLAN for information about costs in your area.

            Maybe you could get a better deal.

            •  I was going to check out PP (0+ / 0-)

              Now that we moved to an area where there are more of them and you don't have to wait 7 hours to see someone, I do have a bit more leeway.  I was going to my doctor because of another medical issue, but since that's all cured and I don't need another checked up from them until Sept. there's no reason not to go to PP this time around.  

              Outta here, I don't deal well with sites that condone racism.

              by fabooj on Fri May 25, 2007 at 07:26:57 AM PDT

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  •  terrific article (8+ / 0-)

    Thanks for posting.

    Whether individual women do or don't wish to suppress their periods, I totally agree that the development of drugs for that purpose is simply an attempt by drug companies to tap a market, and not a sinister plot directed at women. There are lots of examples of this in medical products, as well as in beauty and hygiene products. Do any of us "need" to suppress bad breath or armpit sweat? Of course not, and people from a hundred years ago might laugh that we have products to do so. But they certainly are not part of a plot to deprive of us of natural body functions.

  •  To be set aside (4+ / 0-)

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    to read after work. . .

  •  um... (9+ / 0-)

    I don't know about any potential medical issues for women who use the new pill, but you have to understand the history of why withdrawal bleeding
    was "engineered" into the birth control pill to begin with.

    The man who invented the pill was concerned that the Roman Catholic Church wouldn't accept it.  He thought, perhaps, if women continued to bleed once a month that the Church would consider it more "natural" and the pill would be acceptable.  Unfortunately, Pope Paul VI saw things differently and despite advice to the contrary from an appointed panel of theologicans and ethicists, the Church continued its ban on "artificial" birth control.

    From what I understand, withdrawal bleeding with the pill was never considered necessary for a women's health. It's was just the inventor's way of playing politics.  

    I can't remember where I read this.  Possibly in Barbara Seaman's
    The Greatest Experiment Ever Performed on Women:Exploding the Estrogen Myth
    but I'm not 100% sure.

  •  i got the tubes tied and the merina IUD (9+ / 0-)

    no pregnancy or period
    hallelujah

  •  great information, delivered straight up (13+ / 0-)

    thanks docswede for this practical and specific need-to-know info, written in a way that truly respects women's health and autonomy.  

    To avoid criticism, do nothing, say nothing, be nothing. Elbert Hubbard

    by choice joyce on Thu May 24, 2007 at 07:24:46 AM PDT

  •  Wonderfully clear, concise, authoritative, & wise (9+ / 0-)

    As a fellow OB/GYN (and psychiatrist), Docswede, you are the kind of man I wanted my daughter to marry. Fortunately, she did. He's not a physician like us, but he is a sensible, sensitive, compassionate, and wise man like you - and like you demonstrate so clearly in this most excellent diary.

    Thanks for this!

    No matter how fervently you believe that you know what you merely believe, you merely believe it, and you might be wrong - very wrong.

    by Beket on Thu May 24, 2007 at 07:29:54 AM PDT

  •  Fantastic diary, very true! (12+ / 0-)

    Rec'd highly.

    I am now in menopause, and have watched Big Pharma attempt to manipulate me and my body the entire way.

    I remember the "completely safe" pills I took back in the 70's that made me bloated and weepy. I also remember my joy when I discovered the diaphragm (worked 100% for me my entire reproductive life, and I got pregnant the first time I tried when I left it out, so that's a good track record!). Bless Planned Parenthood--although the MD obvioiusly thought I was a bit over the top in my hysterical joy that I could get off the damned pills. They completely messed up my hormonal system, until pregnancy many years later finally seemed to "reset" them back to normal. Godammit.

    Of course, the current pills are "so much safer", they say. Well, who knows? Safer than what?

    When I hit peri-menopause, marketing kicked in again, along with many symptoms including hot flashes, extreme "discomfort (i.e. pain) and urinary incontinence.

    Luckily I read Dr. John Lee's books on the subject, determined what I needed before my physician visits, marked the relevant research, and discussed it all with my very smart but not up on the research, OB/GYN. She did prescribe bio-identical estrogen for me, though; she said that if she didn't provide such medications to her patients in her upscale neighborhood who were requesting them,she would go out of business. I think that this tell us something. The patients are ahead of many of the physicians.

    I should say that I successsfully deduced that I was estrogen-deficient at that time, and with one application of bio-identical specially compounded estrogen cream, my incontinence and extreme uterine and vaginal pain completely disappeared. Overnight. It was just incredible.

    The problem with such hormones is that during menopause, just as with puberty, one's hormone balance changes all the time. Just when you figure out "what works", it changes. There is lots of awareness and fine tuning needed. Big Pharma isn't into that, apparently, unless one has diabetes or something else that's really a big problem. Women are such whiners! /snark.

    I could go into osteoporosis, and the nightmare treatments rec'd for that, but that's a whole other tale.

    Completely agree with your diary and premise. Women are treated like sub-human guinea pigs, and many treatments railroaded through the FDA that have since proven completely disastrous for women, all the while churning out heavily subsidized, company controlled  'independent' propaganda--oh, excuse me, I meant 'scientific research'--that, like, completely proves scientifically that their product is great! Really! (Hey, Premarin anyone? Have some PREgnant MAre's urINe with your prescription? You'll love it!)

    It is a sickening situation, literally and figuatively. In this case, female buyers, beware!

  •  I tried the oral contraceptive route... (9+ / 0-)

    ...and it was a disaster. I was on birth control three times in order to try to minimize the effects of endometriosis. For some reason, the first time it did nothing for my pain and I stopped since I was not sexually active (sex and endometriosis do not mix well). However, I was still racked with pain before, during and after my period. I was on shots for a while that stopped my period but didn't truly stop the pain. And when I started my period again it was as bad as ever if not worse. I had two surgeries that did nothing to stop the pain. I tried the pill again. I took one with high progesterone content. Wrong answer! After six weeks I started bleeding in the middle of my cycle. It wouldn't stop until I finally went through a horrendous experience that is best not spoken of. Finally, as a last resort, I went the "let's put a stop to this whole thing" route and started taking a very low dose pill. Within six weeks I started to bleed. I stopped the pill and continued to bleed and spot for six months. And all the while I had extreme pain and discomfort during my period.

    Finally, I had the hysterectomy. It's not the option for everyone, but it is literally the best thing I ever did for my health. I have no more pain. At any point during the month. I had not realized how much pain I had during the month. I feel like I walked around with a low-grade flu for fifteen years.

    If the pill had worked for me, I'd have gladly continued to let the big bad drug companies take advantage of me. For healthy women, a period may be a blessing or a confirmation of their femininity. For women like me, a period is a betrayal by their bodies. I like not having a period but it is a small comfort compared to not suffering debilitating pain that had become so much a part of my life that I did not even recognize its impact until it was gone.

    •  You're not alone, (3+ / 0-)

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      plenty of women suffer with menstrual problems for years, try every therapy in the book and then wind up with a hysterectomy.  As much as we like to bash them, if it weren't for drug companies, we wouldn't have any drugs!  I have several good friends who are pharmaceutical sales reps- really good folks.  The fact is, the whole American medical system is dysfuntional.  The pharmaceutical industry helps lots of people; I wish there were a more just way to distribute the investment they make among the people who need help.

  •  Menstruation and the Medical Establishment (12+ / 0-)

    You're right on swededoc! Thanks so much for providing ACCURATE information so women can make a truly informed decision.  And more thanks for the position that it's a woman's choice!!  How radical is that?!
    As a long time women's health care provider also, I know full well how important it is for women to be able to control our own bodies- and how we will, one way or the other.  Sometimes safe and legal, sometimes not.  For the providers who trust women and support us in our decisions and risk much to help us protect and preserve our health and sometimes our very lives- you deserve our deepest gratitude.  
    Being treated respectfully as an adult is key to our development as full human beings-having full info and real choices is truly empowering.  
    As a woman, I understand why some women feel more comfortable seeing a monthly 'period', even if it's only a withdrawal bleed; for me, having no bleeding is great! Freedom from pms, debilitating cramps, mess, expense of sanitary supplies-and improved sex- a most important part of life.  For anyone who decides to try the no menstruation route, if you're worried about being pregnant when you don't see any bleeding, take a pregnancy test; and remember, sometimes bleeding/ spotting happens DURING pregnancy!   Technology is there to help us.  
    We women are not as advanced as we want to be but we've come a long way- thanks to progressives like 'docswede'.  So bravo for Choice!

  •  Thank you so much for this diary! (8+ / 0-)

    My husband works in healthcare, so I have always been very aware of how medicine is actually "practiced".  I don't say this to disrespect the work that healthcare workers do, rather I say it to support what you are saying about the very realities faced by those who have to make the choices that allow us to even HAVE a healthcare system.  

    As for all the "female" stuff...I'm rather a "naturalist", myself.  Our bodies were made to do certain things...and usually they do them quite well.  We don't always understand why they choose to inconveneince us in certain ways, but that doesn't mean that every inconvenience should be acted on.  Since this is a political blog, I will liken it to our interference in international affairs...sometimes when we interfere too much, their's "blowback".

    As a woman in my middle forties, I'm getting all the menopause stories from everyone, including my healthcare providers.  Not quite sure what they expect me to DO about it...I'm not there yet, everything is still ebbing and flowing as always, but sure enough, some day it won't...and then what?  Well, I suppose I'll get through it in the same way I got through six pregnancies (including a twin pregnancy) and dealing with disabling chronic health problems.  In comparison, it might just well be a piece of cake!

    •  I suggest reading John Lee, M.D. (4+ / 0-)

      who wrote several books about peri-menopause and menopause before his death. (See link in my post above). His books have been expanded and updated by M.D.s he chose to work with, and were very helpful to me  --if not essential--during my own "puberty in reverse".

      Knowledge is power, and you sound like your attitude will be a plus for you during this period. Some women have lots of symptoms, some hardly any at all. Take care.

    •  It's not an easy environment (7+ / 0-)

      to work in these days.  The majority of 'us' went into the field to help people.  Doing just that becomes intertwined with so many competing interests its hard to accomplish our goals.  Don't worry, there are some of us working on the inside trying to fix things!

      •  I know. (3+ / 0-)

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        Its why we need to treat our healthcare providers like the very real people that they are...as if you don't have enough on your plate, there's always the expectation that you should be performing miracles, too!

      •  what do you think of natural progesterone (3+ / 0-)

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        cream? i used it one month, very successfully. i felt great that month! my period wasn't too bad either. but i felt so badly when i stopped it (use from day 12 until period begins) that i was afraid to use it again.

        there's a lot of conflicting stuff out there and i just want to get back to feeling normal - even quasi-normal...

        "We struck down evil with the mighty sword of teamwork and the hammer of not bickering!" - The Shoveler

        by Pandoras Box on Thu May 24, 2007 at 08:14:12 AM PDT

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        •  I have not had much experience (4+ / 0-)

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          with the progesterone cream.  The principle by which it works is the same as oral contraceptives, Mirena or Depo-provera.  The difference is the delivery system- a cream instead of a shot, pill or device inside the uterus.  I have heard complaints about the consistency and feel of the cream, but if you liked it, go for it.  Every woman is different: some like pills, some like shots, some like creams... some people drink Pepsi, others drink Coke.  Why?  Who knows? ;)

          •  Pepsi?! Never heard of it! ;) (2+ / 0-)

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            I was given the cream on the advice of an alternative medicine pharma guy. My own doc says if it makes me feel better, use it.

            Kinda feel like I'm damned if I do, and damned if I don't.  My sister had the easiest menopause in the world - 3 hot flashes and she was done.  Not so me. Dang it!

            Where's my Pandora? I need a dose of woozle! ("woozle" is my nickname for all good greyhounds!)

            "We struck down evil with the mighty sword of teamwork and the hammer of not bickering!" - The Shoveler

            by Pandoras Box on Thu May 24, 2007 at 10:14:47 AM PDT

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  •  Thank you for this post, (9+ / 0-)

    docswede.  I've got a lesbian family member who's having a very hard time with difficult monthly cycles.  Her periods are so difficult that she's spoken with her gynecologist about having a hysterectomy and was flatly refused.  While not "coming out" to her doctor, she assured her that she, most definitely, had no desire to have children, but her pleas have fallen on deaf ears.

    If you could give me the name of the pill that stops menses completely, I'd be really grateful, as I'd like to pass this information on to her.  I don't know that she's even aware that it exists and it may help her immensely.

    "Ancora Imparo." ("I am still learning.") - Michelangelo, Age 87

    by Dreaming of Better Days on Thu May 24, 2007 at 07:54:56 AM PDT

    •  I prescribe seeing a different MD! (3+ / 0-)

      Of course, I am prescribing without a license....

    •  Depo Provera (2+ / 0-)

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      I've been taking shots every three months for over ten years.  Haven't had a period. Not one. Absolutely, without doubt, do not miss that god-awful monthly painful mess!  Menses did not make me feel "natural" or "feminine" or "fertile."  It made me feel like I couldn't get out of bed for at least five days a month.

      If there are unknown long term effects, I'm willing to take the chance because not having periods is worth it to me.  

      Depo changed my life.  

      My dogs think I'm smart and pretty.

      by martydd on Thu May 24, 2007 at 08:44:31 AM PDT

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    •  My heart goes out to your sister (6+ / 0-)

      and it is a crying shame on my profession that our members present themselves in such a way that their patients do not feel comfortable sharing the truth about their sexuality.  The latest pill on the market, the one with only one withdrawal bleed per year, is called Lybrel.  Depending upon her symptoms and the etiology of her pain, she may also want to consider a course of Depo-Lupron.  The unfortunate side effect of Depo-Lupron is that is essentially a chemical menopause, so she'll trade heavy, painful periods for hot flashes.  Depo Provera is also an option, and has been shown to decrease menstrual blood flow and cramps.  I wish your sister the best, and tell her to shop around for a new gynecologist.

      •  Lupron *shudder* (3+ / 0-)

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        I was on Lupron for 6 months for endometriosis.  I don't know if my reaction was typical, but the effect it had on me was HORRIBLE.

        On the plus side, I had been trying to get pregnant for many years and the Lupron put the endo into remission just long enough for me to get pregnant.  So, for me it was an overall plus, but I will never take it again.

        Thanks for this diary!!

        "A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." Mark Twain

        by Shaniriver on Thu May 24, 2007 at 09:11:11 AM PDT

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      •  Sincerest thanks, docswede. (4+ / 0-)

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        I'm going to send this info along to her.

        While her gyne may be against hysterectomy, she may be more agreeable to one of these meds.  At least she'll have the info at hand to present to her doctor and the two of them can discuss the pros and cons.  Again, most heartfelt thanks.  While this info may provide her no benefit, there's also the chance that you may have just offered her the light at the end of her dark tunnel.  :0)

        "Ancora Imparo." ("I am still learning.") - Michelangelo, Age 87

        by Dreaming of Better Days on Thu May 24, 2007 at 09:22:03 AM PDT

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    •  reluctance for sterilization (4+ / 0-)

      I think it's fascinating that there is such a bias among OB-Gyns for two children. If you haven't had two, they really don't want to give you a tubal. But if you're pregnant with a second, and there's a possibility of c-section, they're right there to offer/sell a tubal "while we're in there."

      Adult women can decide to take such permanent and life-altering actions as having a child or joining the military... but we won't let them decide NOT to have a baby permanently.

      Yes, she may regret sterilization. I'm sure women regret a lot of medical interventions, like the stress incontinence surgeries, for example. But in most other things we allow people to make their choices and have regrets.

      Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

      by elfling on Thu May 24, 2007 at 09:15:02 AM PDT

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      •  The reasons for this are two fold: (4+ / 0-)

        first- the two child rule is an old-school teaching and doctors are notoriously slow to change their practices.  Second, she may regret the surgery and sue you.  OB/GYN's are particularly sensitive to this and may not be willing to take what they perceive as a risk to sterilize a woman with one or no children.  

        •  maybe it's too bad (0+ / 0-)

          That women with unwanted pregnancies and children can't sue their OB-gyn because to do so would obviously have horrible repercussions for the woman and child.

          For example, though, how many women regret those surgeries for stress incontinence and are suing?

          I know you are explaining, not condoning. But I think it's time to get a good reverse meme on this, so that doctors - at least the thinking ones - can get out of the two child rut.

          (It works both ways, of course. An acquaintance of mine felt really pushed by her OB to have a tubal during her c-section. She just wasn't ready to make that decision while she was full of baby and hormones, regardless of the convenience.)

          Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

          by elfling on Thu May 24, 2007 at 11:13:59 AM PDT

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  •  What about rampant use of hyst/oophorect? (5+ / 0-)

    It seems like the ob/gyn field thinks ripping a woman's gonadal endocrine glands out is the answer to everything that ails. Compared to a small deal like continuous birth control this is a travesty beyond recognition.

    I would have loved to have had continuous birth control offered for my Stage IV endometriosis.  The subject never came up.  Now I'm paying dearly for the lack of endocrine glands!

    (Surgical menopause 2002)

    None of the candidates are good enough to be fanatical about. They're all politicians

    by TeresaInSammamishWA on Thu May 24, 2007 at 07:58:56 AM PDT

  •  Brilliant and excellent recap... (7+ / 0-)

    of the relationship between women and the medical establishment.

    HotFlashReport - Opinionated liberal views of the wrongs of the right focusing on abortion and reproductive rights.

    by annrose on Thu May 24, 2007 at 08:02:41 AM PDT

  •  Great diary and information (4+ / 0-)

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    passing it on to my daughter and friends.

    If you are going to be writing regular health care diaries (and I certainly hope you will be), you may want to consider joining our Daily Kos Health Care Google Group.

    With 68 members right now, the only purpose is for sharing links to the healthcare diaries here, so that those interested in health care issues can find them a bit more easily among the hundreds of diaries written here every day.  

    It also allows those who get the alerts immediately via email to jump in with a recommend for the good diaries - often allowing them to stay on the front page a bit longer.

    It isn't for discussion - just an alerting system; you simply email the group a link to your diary when you post it.

    You can sign up here.  After that, you just keep the email address for the group in your address book so you can email the links to everyone.

    Again - thanks for the diary.  I hope to be seeing more from you.

  •  the pill and breast cancer (0+ / 0-)

    its hard to believe that taking hormones 24/7 for years strait wont up a woman's risk for breast cancer

    those were good times, as far as we knew --colbert

    by AmericanHope on Thu May 24, 2007 at 08:48:12 AM PDT

    •  On the other hand (0+ / 0-)

      Among the better ways to reduce the risk of breast cancer is to breastfeed for two years or more... which also supresses your period.

      Not having kids at all puts you in a higher risk group for breast cancer.

      Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

      by elfling on Thu May 24, 2007 at 09:02:28 AM PDT

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      •  ive never heard (0+ / 0-)

        of breastfeeding reducing the risk of cancer..although i have heard of the not having kids thing.

        so i suspect, just like they did with the hormone therapy for menopause, that a few years from now there will be a big stink on how continually taking these hormone pills causes inc cancer risk

        those were good times, as far as we knew --colbert

        by AmericanHope on Thu May 24, 2007 at 09:05:27 AM PDT

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        •  source (0+ / 0-)

          One source:
          http://www.drweil.com/...

              Yes, breastfeeding does appear to protect against breast cancer, probably by affecting levels of estrogen in a woman's body. Results of a study published in the July 20, 2002, issue of The Lancet showed that the more babies a woman has and the longer she nurses them, the lower her risk of breast cancer. The researchers reviewed 47 reports of studies in 30 countries that contained information about 50,000 women with breast cancer and almost 97,000 women who didn’t develop breast cancer.

          Lots to find on google.

          Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

          by elfling on Thu May 24, 2007 at 11:22:09 AM PDT

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      •  This is new to me (1+ / 0-)

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        Not having kids at all puts you in a higher risk group for breast cancer.

        Because all the women I know who have breast cancer are moms and in many cases their moms or daughters have breast cancer too.  I always thought it was hereditary.

        Outta here, I don't deal well with sites that condone racism.

        by fabooj on Thu May 24, 2007 at 09:09:45 AM PDT

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  •  Thank you for a great diary (2+ / 0-)

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    I wish my doctor had enough time to convey this information to me. And I wish I had enough time to get to know my doctor, so we didn't have the inherently awkward situation of discussing sexuality with a total stranger.

    Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

    by elfling on Thu May 24, 2007 at 09:16:34 AM PDT

  •  On hip fractures (5+ / 0-)

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    That the wri